That's right--in just one week, on February 17th, Episode 3: My Only Love Sprung from My Only Hate will be available for download!
We are very excited to announce with complete surety that the Episode will be available at last to our fans. Packed with more puzzles, more story, and more surprises, Episode 3 has been a challenge. But the team has risen to that challenge to put together something great, and we can't wait for you to get your hands on it, too! We appreciate the patience everyone has shown in waiting for this Episode as well--we think you'll find it was worth the wait!
Enjoy the trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xElGhXN7AP0) and the Episode (http://www.postudios.com/episode_iii.php) page and get excited--we're just one week away!
Brilliant News :D Well done team <3 :smitten: :sweetheart: :love:
Ooooh it looks quite sinister :sneaky: :devil:
We shall see...
Looks amazing, can't wait to play it. Hey don't I get an early download. ;D
Quote from: drunkenmonkey on February 10, 2011, 02:26:25 PM
Looks amazing, can't wait to play it. Hey don't I get an early download. ;D
;D yup I second that motion!
Quote from: Sslaxx on February 10, 2011, 02:24:49 PM
We shall see...
in ref to sinister Sslaxx?
Hehe, yes, we'll contact you guys about that when the early download is ready. :)
WOOHOO! I'm very excited about this! Soon everyone can see why Episode 3 is the best episode yet! Amazing music, even deeper plot than before, great puzzles (I got stumped for a while myself. I have to keep asking the team for hints), and oh so much more!
Yay! They just keep getting better and better. !!!
Quote from: snabbott on February 10, 2011, 03:05:36 PM
Yay! They just keep getting better and better. !!!
That they do! So far, Episode 3 is my favorite. But before episode 3, it was 2. I'm sure 4 and 5 will have their time as my favorites as well.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Whoo Hooo. :sweetheart: :sweetheart:
I'm with dark-daventry on this one. Episode 3 is hands down my favorite, and has elicited true emotional responses from me and some of the rest of the team. Manly tears, I assure you. [seriously, I've cried over this Episode]
I look forward to the coming months when we get into Episodes 4 and 5, and I hope you're all looking forward to it as well!
I just clapped hearing about this! Weee I'm so excited to play this. <3
Eep! I leave to take a nap, and find this when I wake up! :D
Looks amazing! ;D ;D
Follow your dreams, Tess. They will only bring good things. ;D
Episode 3 has been my favorite so far as well. Everyone has out done themselves this time and I am very proud of them. *hugs to the team*
Yep. According to the trailer it's going exactly in the direction I was told a long time ago and where I hoped it wouldn't. I just hope ActiVision considers this fan fiction and not actually canon. Not all fans are a fan of this type of game. To me personally, this is exactly the same problem that happened to adventure games after the millennium when The Adventure Company took them in a direction that was completely off the mark of what classic adventures were.
Still, don't get me wrong. It's very well done and is coming together nicely. Everyone's done a great job for what it is. You're halfway through finishing this project that's struggled to see the light of day for 8 years or so. It's just a shame that classic adventures really do have no place anymore in the game industry. Telltale has all but left the classic approach behind by making their games dirt easy and their characters flat and shallow and TSL with its incessant mellowdrama. I think I have more fun playing something like Heavy Rain or even Half-Life as opposed to what "true" adventures have become nowadays. I'm sorry to see it happen this way but what can you do?
Again, I'm not bashing the game. Everyone has done amazing work and I applaud you. I'm just saying it's not my cup of tea and wasn't what I was hoping it'd be. Yes, I've said that before, but I was hoping for some kind of change (or at least confirmation that I was wrong in some way) between then and now. Obviously that's not happening.
Quote from: Sslaxx on February 10, 2011, 02:24:49 PM
We shall see...
XD Alexander quote! Love it! ;D
And yaaaaaaay! I had a feeling something might be announced today...my Spidey senses must be getting better! I hafta check the rest of the forum, then I'll check out the goodies. Woot! Love you guys! :hug:
Quote from: MusicallyInspired on February 10, 2011, 05:09:38 PM
It's just a shame that classic adventures really do have no place anymore in the game industry. Telltale has all but left the classic approach behind by making their games dirt easy and their characters flat and shallow and TSL with its incessant mellowdrama. I think I have more fun playing something like Heavy Rain or even Half-Life as opposed to what "true" adventures have become nowadays.
TSL could definitely scale back the melodrama. Some of the conversations are simply too long, in my opinion, and seem to be at odds with the spirit of the KQ canon.
However, there is still a good amount of puzzle-solving and adventuring in Episode 3 that is independent of the game's style. It may not be in the classic adventure style, but nevertheless it is a good adventure, encompassing many lands, characters, and items. So you may yet get some enjoyment from Episode 3. Reserve your judgement for until you finish the episode.
I get what Musicallyinspired is saying and its true, im at Other Forums and they have No Clue what a Sierra Game is, nor KQ. ??? ??? ???
The problem is that Sierra themselves were very much moving away from the "traditional" graphical adventure themselves going by Mask of Eternity. Anyway, there's a few commercial adventure devs out there - most prominently, Wadjet Eye Games - so although you're not going to find their games in the store to say "classic adventures really do have no place anymore in the game industry" is not entirely accurate either. They're certainly not mainstream game store items, though (although that's not entirely true globally, either).
As for the TSL melodrama, it's fine. It does give the impression of the game being slow to get going (especially part 1), though.
Quote from: Sslaxx on February 10, 2011, 05:56:18 PM
As for the TSL melodrama, it's fine.
C'mon, the melodrama is the best part of any King's Quest game! Those are the LOL parts while you're playing. :D
Lol. When I say mellowdrama I mean the overall tone of the story and the direction it's going in. And as far as puzzles are concerned, they mean nothing if the story isn't interesting (or if you're morally opposed to it 8) ). Still, I will play it. If it ever gets to work on my computer...maybe after I upgrade in a month or two.
Mellowdrama is kind of an amusing concept. You have a bunch of drama going on, but everybody's relaxed about it. :P
If you think about it, the royal family has been through a lot so for them to react a certain way to the things they do, it's not melodramatic at all. It only comes off as melodrama because the circumstances are so unrealistic + the character's reactions are so strong (although this is sometimes due in part to overacting in the voice overs). Kings Quest 6 + 7 certainly swayed in this direction more, so I don't mind that much that TSL is picking up on it. It's pretty standard for King's Quest in my opinion.
Quote from: snabbott on February 10, 2011, 07:33:11 PM
Mellowdrama is kind of an amusing concept. You have a bunch of drama going on, but everybody's relaxed about it. :P
Wordplay!
Yeah, I was about to say, isn't "mellowdrama" a bit of an oxymoron? :)
Wow, the new episode looks AMAZING! I can't wait! 7 days! Keep up the good work y'all :)
Quote from: ksz4 on February 10, 2011, 08:18:09 PM
Wow, the new episode looks AMAZING! I can't wait! 7 days! Keep up the good work y'all :)
I know, doesn't it? We can't wait to have everyone play it. We're all super stoked for episode 3!
Is there a time on the 17th worked out yet?
it'll be out when it's out :)
Yay! Super excited! :)
Quote from: MusicallyInspired on February 10, 2011, 06:50:38 PM
Lol. When I say mellowdrama I mean the overall tone of the story and the direction it's going in. And as far as puzzles are concerned, they mean nothing if the story isn't interesting (or if you're morally opposed to it 8) ). Still, I will play it. If it ever gets to work on my computer...maybe after I upgrade in a month or two.
This is exactly right. The trailer looks melodramatic to the max. Does that bother me? Not necessarily. At this point, I'm just going with it. The thing about melodramatic movies and games is that it's so easy for them to cross over into hokey and unintentionally comical if not handled just right. When it appears like the game takes its subject matter SOO seriously, then shortcomings in voice acting and writing seem all the more awkward and pronounced.
Also, just thought I'd add that I think the cinematography and music in the trailer is awesome, as it was in the earlier episodes.
Yeah, the art, cinematography and music in that trailer were amazing. It looks beautiful.
Bt
I am glad you are all liking it. Alot of work went into this one just for you ;)
Quote from: Blackthorne on February 10, 2011, 09:33:57 PM
Yeah, the art, cinematography and music in that trailer were amazing. It looks beautiful.
Bt
Agreed - this is definitely the best trailer we've ever had.
HOLE IN THE WALL!!! It's the official mascot of the game! Second to the Sufferer of course :)
You guys started fanclubs and whatnot! We had to include the guy! I even recorded new lines for him :)
And thanks everyone for your comments. We are all very excited to bring you this episode, finally! It's a beast, a beast I tell you!
:whip: Back, back I say!
Quote from: Arkillian on February 10, 2011, 10:21:55 PM
HOLE IN THE WALL!!! It's the official mascot of the game! Second to the Sufferer of course :)
Suffer is the mascot of Phoenix as a whole in my eyes.
Quote from: dark-daventry on February 10, 2011, 10:31:34 PM
Quote from: Arkillian on February 10, 2011, 10:21:55 PM
HOLE IN THE WALL!!! It's the official mascot of the game! Second to the Sufferer of course :)
Suffer is the mascot of Phoenix as a hole in my eyes.
Doesn't you mean whole? :P lolz, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to be grammar/word police there.
Quote from: writerlove on February 10, 2011, 10:42:52 PM
Quote from: dark-daventry on February 10, 2011, 10:31:34 PM
Quote from: Arkillian on February 10, 2011, 10:21:55 PM
HOLE IN THE WALL!!! It's the official mascot of the game! Second to the Sufferer of course :)
Suffer is the mascot of Phoenix as a hole in my eyes.
Doesn't you mean whole? :P lolz, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to be grammar/word police there.
XD :wall: :!Oops: OMG I'M SO BRAIN DEAD! This is what I get for writing that at 12:30 AM. Though I have had a very stressful day, so that certainly contributes. If only my car didn't decide to conk out on me right as I decided to drive home. Luckily, I was in a parking garage, so no damage done. But now I have to get my car serviced... And I have to get tutoring for at least one of my classes, if not more, and... and... *heart attack*
Phew. Long day. about to end. And now to fix mah grammah errahs! XB
We all have bad days :( I'm glad your weren't driving before the car broke down. And tutoring? I know the feeling. I had tutoring for a Spanish class a few semesters ago. It's usually pretty beneficial.
Quote from: Cez on February 10, 2011, 10:23:08 PM
You guys started fanclubs and whatnot! We had to include the guy! I even recorded new lines for him :)
Wow, I'm honored that you would do that for us!
You're awesome, guys. Soooooo excited! !!!
Quote from: Cez on February 10, 2011, 10:23:08 PM
You guys started fanclubs and whatnot! We had to include the guy! I even recorded new lines for him :)
And thanks everyone for your comments. We are all very excited to bring you this episode, finally! It's a beast, a beast I tell you!
:sweetheart: :love: :smitten: :sweetheart: :smitten: :love: :sweetheart:
Thanks you guys ^^ This is SO awesome! ;]
Quote from: Haids1987 on February 10, 2011, 11:06:09 PM
Quote from: Cez on February 10, 2011, 10:23:08 PM
You guys started fanclubs and whatnot! We had to include the guy! I even recorded new lines for him :)
Wow, I'm honored that you would do that for us!
Of course we would! We wouldn't be here today without the support of our fans! We take fan feedback VERY seriously. Every opportunity that we can give back to the community that has supported us for these 8 long years, we take.
Quote from: waltzdancing on February 10, 2011, 10:25:15 PM
:whip: Back, back I say!
*Episode 3 snarls, then lowers its head and backs away slowly, baring its teeth and growling*
Yes, a very well done trailer. Nice work. :thumbsup:
Just a week away! Awesome!
Quote from: sahara on February 10, 2011, 09:24:05 PM
The thing about melodramatic movies and games is that it's so easy for them to cross over into hokey and unintentionally comical if not handled just right. When it appears like the game takes its subject matter SOO seriously, then shortcomings in voice acting and writing seem all the more awkward and pronounced.
This is EXACTLY right. Melodrama can be okay if handled properly, but it is SUCH a fine line to walk. Most melodramatic movies and performances fall into the trap of becoming unintentionally silly exactly BECAUSE they take themselves so seriously. And in a fangame with amateur voice acting and writing, this pitfall is nearly unavoidable.
No seriously? Wishes I could get a copy shortly before the 17th before my trip to europe... So I could play through it on the long plane trip :p. I can only hope that I willl be able to dload it shortly before I head to the airport then...
Great news and many many thanks for alle the good works and all the people who made this episodes........they deserve at least a day in the spotlight!!! ;D ;D
They made a great game possible and I am thankful ................greetings from Elly ( Holland)
The King's Quest series have ALWAYS been my favorite games and I play them all every year :) I'm SO happy to see fans like me who, out of the goodness of their hearts, took the time to make this wonderful game!!! I CAN'T WAIT TO PLAY!!!! Good job team!! You guys are the best!
Thank you Vyerna! I'm so glad you like the game--I hope Episode 3 doesn't disappoint! :) (I don't think it will, but I suppose I am biased! ;) )
I want early access. *Hint* Hint* *Nudge* *Nudge* ;)
QuoteMelodrama
Melodrama? Melodrama!?! Considering the fact that THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQbz1LpSMCY) is the kind of melodrama I was forced to grow up with, I'll take [insert name] [insert trouble] [insert melacholical note] [insert trouble] [if melacnholy > tears then insert a hopeful solution else go to [insert name]] any day.
And yes the bottle on my right hand does read pepsi while the mug on my left hand is for inserting it to my mouth. And since that mouth is attached to my head that is at the moment in pain, I have all the right in the world to claim this message as a product of drunken foolery.
Quote from: MikPal on February 14, 2011, 05:50:03 PM
Considering the fact that THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQbz1LpSMCY) is the kind of melodrama I was forced to grow up with . . .
Are you kidding? That's some of the best acting I've ever seen! It was so subtle yet powerful. I am moved almost to tears.
That...was...um... :o
does that make any more sense if you can understand what little they're saying??
He screams: "I don't believe in anything!!" and the rest is just gobbledygook and screaming. It's the Jouko Turkka way of acting. I'm sad, since all the clips of his twelve hour long masterpiece "The Seven Brothers" were removed from Youtube, and all that is left are these first four minutes from his second masterpiece "Horny Policemen -a Domestic Police TV-series". The guy was even promoted to be the principal of Helsinki School of Drama where he had all the students stand around for hours in tracksuits and yelling at them until they broke down in tears. The results speak for themselves.
Thank goodnes we've managed to get over (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RQlikX4vvw) that period.
I'm so excited :) Thursday I only have 1 class, so i can play to my heart's content! Yay!!!!
sooooooo by beast do you also mean in download size
When we announce the release, we'll announce the final download sizes as well. The game isn't exactly getting smaller though ;) However, there is a significant difference between the size of the patch that adds Episode 3 to the existing game, and the downloader that includes all 3 Episodes in one file.
It's about 500 mbs right now for the single episode patch. That's probably around where it will stay. Unless Austin decides to add a second full blown soundtrack very last minute. And that would be bad. Actually, no, that would be very good. But I don't think it'll happen.
Just curious: the episode installers are MSI files, which is fine, but have you looked into whether EXE files would compress the contents better? I don't know if they would or not, I'm just asking.
Of course, I realize that there may be other reasons you're using MSIs as well.
The ep3 patcher is an exe. The full build is an msi. Doesn't really make any difference
Oh. Never mind then, lol.
Is the time of release known yet? I hope it is released in the afternoon so the European fans (like me) can start playing on the 17th as well...
We haven't set an exact time, but I imagine afternoon EST/PST is more likely than not.
Two more days. Can hardly wait. :bow:
Tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow! I am getting so excited for everyone to finally see Episode 3!!! ;D
sleep! sleep! sleep! tomorrow! tomorrow! tomorrow! :rofl:
*sings* Tomorrow, Tomorrow! I love ya, Tomorrow! You're only just a day away!
Quote from: writerlove on February 16, 2011, 07:09:42 PM
*sings* Tomorrow, Tomorrow! I love ya, Tomorrow! You're only just a day away!
Technically, it's only hours away...
I know. :) But I just felt like singing it. What can I say, I'm excited.
Quote from: writerlove on February 16, 2011, 07:14:47 PM
I know. :) But I just felt like singing it. What can I say, I'm excited.
You mean, what can you sing, right?
Yeah :P Anyway, it's going to be awesome. I need some new Kings quest in my life.
hope the servers are fast?
Quote from: The Hero on February 16, 2011, 07:24:39 PM
hope the servers are fast?
Me too. We don't want to have them crash in the middle of downloading. Which is why we're not announcing a specific time just yet. We want to ensure all the servers and mirrors are in tip-top shape.
what would the download time be
Quote from: The Hero on February 16, 2011, 08:12:47 PM
what would the download time be
Currently we are still working that part out. We first want to make sure that everything is in perfect working order on the servers and mirrors before we commit to a specific time. That being said, it will most likely be in the afternoon, EST.
Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying the release of Episode 3.
Quote from: kindofdoon on February 16, 2011, 08:26:45 PM
Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying the release of Episode 3.
I want to say that poem is familliar from somewhere (except the last line) but my knowledge of literature is minimal. I can write well, but I honestly couldn't care less about "famous writings" or what have you. That being said, that poem sounds something like Shakespeare.
Quote from: dark-daventry on February 16, 2011, 08:31:17 PM
I want to say that poem is familliar from somewhere (except the last line) but my knowledge of literature is minimal. I can write well, but I honestly couldn't care less about "famous writings" or what have you. That being said, that poem sounds something like Shakespeare.
As a teacher of art history, I cringe when I read things like this. Nothing informs the work of an artist better than a thorough knowledge of the canonical works of the past. The study of history tells us who we have been, why we are who we are now, and suggests new places for us to go in the future.
*And yes, that was Shakespeare, from Macbeth.
Quote from: Lambonius on February 16, 2011, 10:52:51 PM
Quote from: dark-daventry on February 16, 2011, 08:31:17 PM
I want to say that poem is familliar from somewhere (except the last line) but my knowledge of literature is minimal. I can write well, but I honestly couldn't care less about "famous writings" or what have you. That being said, that poem sounds something like Shakespeare.
As a teacher of art history, I cringe when I read things like this. Nothing informs the work of an artist better than a thorough knowledge of the canonical works of the past. The study of history tells us who we have been, why we are who we are now, and suggests new places for us to go in the future.
*And yes, that was Shakespeare, from Macbeth.
The thing is, I'm not an artist. I don't know what I am honestly, but I'm no artist, that much I can tell you. That being said, perhaps I should clarify my previous statement. I respect what famous writers have done and accomplished. I just personally find little interest in them. Whether it's the subject matter or the style of the writing, I don't know. When I was younger, I was in special education english. I couldn't read or write very well at all. Come seventh grade, I sky-rocketed in my abilities to the very top. I scored in the 99.9th percentile. None of that growth or understanding of the English language do I attribute to Shakespeare or other famous authors. I attribute it to my own hard work and dedication more than anything else. Although I find the history presented in Assassins Creed very interesting. Yes, I know it's merely a game and they morphed history to their liking. But through playing that game, I've had serious thoughts about actually studying some history. Not many games can make me do that.
It's from Macbeth.
Quote from: dark-daventry on February 16, 2011, 11:08:32 PM
The thing is, I'm not an artist. I don't know what I am honestly, but I'm no artist, that much I can tell you. That being said, perhaps I should clarify my previous statement. I respect what famous writers have done and accomplished. I just personally find little interest in them. Whether it's the subject matter or the style of the writing, I don't know. When I was younger, I was in special education english. I couldn't read or write very well at all. Come seventh grade, I sky-rocketed in my abilities to the very top. I scored in the 99.9th percentile. None of that growth or understanding of the English language do I attribute to Shakespeare or other famous authors. I attribute it to my own hard work and dedication more than anything else. Although I find the history presented in Assassins Creed very interesting. Yes, I know it's merely a game and they morphed history to their liking. But through playing that game, I've had serious thoughts about actually studying some history. Not many games can make me do that.
Heh, yeah...sorry for my snideness.
I think most people would consider literature one of the arts, inasmuch as it is inherently a creative activity. Sure, studying literary history won't teach you HOW to write, but it will teach you the types of things that have been important to humanity in the past, the way mankind has perceived beauty, themselves, and the divine, and it just might give you some inspiration into new and historically relevant ways to approach your own work.
And honestly, you could do a lot worse than Assassin's Creed as a source of historical inspiration. Sure, it's fictionalized, but at least in the case of Assassin's Creed 2, the historical research is impeccable. Renaissance Italy has never been better represented in a video game, that's for damn sure. :) Probably more accurate than most films on the subject as well.
Quote from: Lambonius on February 16, 2011, 11:14:28 PM
Quote from: dark-daventry on February 16, 2011, 11:08:32 PM
The thing is, I'm not an artist. I don't know what I am honestly, but I'm no artist, that much I can tell you. That being said, perhaps I should clarify my previous statement. I respect what famous writers have done and accomplished. I just personally find little interest in them. Whether it's the subject matter or the style of the writing, I don't know. When I was younger, I was in special education english. I couldn't read or write very well at all. Come seventh grade, I sky-rocketed in my abilities to the very top. I scored in the 99.9th percentile. None of that growth or understanding of the English language do I attribute to Shakespeare or other famous authors. I attribute it to my own hard work and dedication more than anything else. Although I find the history presented in Assassins Creed very interesting. Yes, I know it's merely a game and they morphed history to their liking. But through playing that game, I've had serious thoughts about actually studying some history. Not many games can make me do that.
Heh, yeah...sorry for my snideness.
I think most people would consider literature one of the arts, inasmuch as it is inherently a creative activity. Sure, studying literary history won't teach you HOW to write, but it will teach you the types of things that have been important to humanity in the past, the way mankind has perceived beauty, themselves, and the divine, and it just might give you some inspiration into new and historically relevant ways to approach your own work.
And honestly, you could do a lot worse than Assassin's Creed as a source of historical inspiration. Sure, it's fictionalized, but at least in the case of Assassin's Creed 2, the historical research is impeccable. Renaissance Italy has never been better represented in a video game, that's for darn sure. :) Probably more accurate than most films on the subject as well.
I can respect this. The thing is, modern day english has made it nearly impossible for anyone not versed well in Shakespeare's style (I.E. high school students) to read his works. My eyes reel trying to understand what he's saying. But I also remember that was how people wrote back then. There also must be a valid reason why he's still taught some 600 years later (or something like that. I may have botched the timeline a bit.)
And yes, Assassin's Creed has done history justice. Apparently, Ezio Auditore De Firenze was a real person. It's hard to get more historically accurate than that in a video game. The Assassins Creed series is among my favorites. It perfects on game-play with each iteration, the plot just gets better and better, and the graphics are nice... I know graphics aren't everything, but it's the icing on the cake for me. I can't wait to see what Ubisoft has in store for the next AC title...
I saw on failblog a school that forced their students to read Twilight for their english essays. Man, I had to study Macbeth, 1984, Rebel without a Cause and old school stuff like that O.o I don't think we GOT to study anything that was created when I was alive.
They still teach Shakespeare today for alot of reasons. What I got out of it is the emotion and the drama- the meaning that was in his plays. They have old words, but back then they all held so much power. I feel that it teaches us how we miss use the english language. Like awful is now a bad word. Back then, it was a compliment.
Shakespeare also seemed to be the real pioneer for genre IMHO. I may be wrong, but he hit the nail on the head on tragedy and romance and comedy. When the old english way of seeking is explained, the old verses are actually REALLY good scripts which is why they're continually referenced today :)
If you want to become a writer, as much as you want, Chris, you need to go to the basics. Having an understanding of classic literature won't make you a good writer, that's true, but like Lamb said, it does open your mind to the understanding of why many things in our current world are the way they are.
I told you the other day it was heresy when you said Shakespeare bore you to death. I was only half kidding, of course, but the last person I would expect to hear this from is from an aspiring artist. As much as I know some literature is not everyone's cup of tea, there are so many things that go back to his original works. Again, like Jason said, it gives us the understanding of what some things mean, and go to the extend of what modern authors' roots are, why do they use certain metaphors, etc. Ypu'd be surprised how much goes back to the guy.
Like I told you, even TSL is inundated with Shakespeare. If, for example, you knew the works, you could probably tell what the episodes are about just by the titles. And speaking of Shakespeare quotes, same as it is now, the game used to have Shakesperian names for all the chapters. They changed when we reduced the story, of course, but this is what they originally used to be:
Chapter 1: What is Decreed Must Be
Chapter 2: Such Stuff as Dreams Are Made on.
Chapter 3: Goodnight, Sweet King (Original being "Prince", of course)
Chapter 4: We know what we are, but know not what we may become.
Chapter 5: To Be or not To Be.
Chapter 6: Two Households
Chapter 7: My Only Love Sprung From My Only Hate
Chapter 8: There is Nothing Either Good or Bad, but Thinking Makes It So
Chapter 9: Out Dark Spot, Out I Say! (toned down "damn" for language)
Quote from: dark-daventry on February 16, 2011, 11:31:28 PM
I can respect this. The thing is, modern day english has made it nearly impossible for anyone not versed well in Shakespeare's style (I.E. high school students) to read his works. My eyes reel trying to understand what he's saying.
Nobody is born these days with the ability to understand Shakespeare, actually, and nobody that reads shakespeare or other old classics for the first time has an easy way understanding it. However, if you spent time with them, and researched what those complicated words and phrases mean, your vocabulary would expand a lot. And believe me, again, if you aspire to be a writer, your vocabulary is one of your strongest weapons.
Shakespeare is one of those things I find easier to understand watching than trying to read.
While you can't understand everything (there are alot of double entendres that are lost in modern language), seeing what goes on on screen or stage gives important context to what is being said.
Christopher Marlowe is screaming in his grave.
Bt
I think that I shall never see,
I game as lovely as King's Quest III. (My favorite!)
Hi all,
Sorry to complain, but...
Umm, In some parts of the world it is already the 18th. Here in Sydney it is 11:25 PM Where is Episode 3? according to timeandadate.com's extended world clock, it is wednesday nowhere on the planet, which means it is at least the 17th everywhere
Chomping at the bit,
Pat
Here its 12.32pm on the 17th. In some parts of the US, for example, it's 4.32am. There's still a lot of the 17th to go, even though it's the 18th for you.
It is the 17th. Where can we download?
Our release times are based on the US date & time. We haven't set a specific time for the release today, but it will be today. My guess is this afternoon sometime. (it's morning here right now)
Today will be a great day!
Today we're gonna play!
My only Love Sprung from my only Hate!
:D :D :D :D
Quote from: Cez on February 17, 2011, 01:04:14 AM
If you want to become a writer, as much as you want, Chris, you need to go to the basics. Having an understanding of classic literature won't make you a good writer, that's true, but like Lamb said, it does open your mind to the understanding of why many things in our current world are the way they are.
I told you the other day it was heresy when you said Shakespeare bore you to death. I was only half kidding, of course, but the last person I would expect to hear this from is from an aspiring artist. As much as I know some literature is not everyone's cup of tea, there are so many things that go back to his original works. Again, like Jason said, it gives us the understanding of what some things mean, and go to the extend of what modern authors' roots are, why do they use certain metaphors, etc. Ypu'd be surprised how much goes back to the guy.
Like I told you, even TSL is inundated with Shakespeare. If, for example, you knew the works, you could probably tell what the episodes are about just by the titles. And speaking of Shakespeare quotes, same as it is now, the game used to have Shakesperian names for all the chapters. They changed when we reduced the story, of course, but this is what they originally used to be:
Chapter 1: What is Decreed Must Be
Chapter 2: Such Stuff as Dreams Are Made on.
Chapter 3: Goodnight, Sweet King (Original being "Prince", of course)
Chapter 4: We know what we are, but know not what we may become.
Chapter 5: To Be or not To Be.
Chapter 6: Two Households
Chapter 7: My Only Love Sprung From My Only Hate
Chapter 8: There is Nothing Either Good or Bad, but Thinking Makes It So
Chapter 9: Out Dark Spot, Out I Say! (toned down "darn" for language)
Ill take this into consideration, cesar. I truly do want to be a writer, so ill give Shakespeare an honest shot. If the internet hadn't intervened in my life, I'd probably be at a much different place than I am now. I think if I really sit down and devote time to it, I can understand it. I'm only 19, so I have much yet to learn.
Also, to clarify a bit with the us time: there are at least two us timezones. Katie and I are in the eastern time zone. Many others are in the Pacific time zone. While its morning for Katie and I, its still night for others. My aunt in California is still fast asleep right now.
Quote from: aneilljr on February 17, 2011, 05:36:19 AM
It is the 17th. Where can we download?
Patience my friend! We're just working on getting all the download stuff set up and working correctly.
So, is 4 going to be "There is Nothing Either Good or Bad, but Thinking Makes It So" and 5 "Out Dark Spot, Out I Say!"?
No, no. Those were the old names--you'll notice for example that what was the title of Chapter 7 is now Episode 3. We've posted the full list of Episode titles before around here somewhere; the remaining ones are:
Episode 4: 'Tis In My Memory Locked, And You Yourself Shall Keep The Key Of It
Episode 5: A Thousand Times Goodnight
Quote from: KatieHal on February 17, 2011, 08:00:47 AM
No, no. Those were the old names--you'll notice for example that what was the title of Chapter 7 is now Episode 3. We've posted the full list of Episode titles before around here somewhere; the remaining ones are:
Episode 4: 'Tis In My Memory Locked, And You Yourself Shall Keep The Key Of It
Episode 5: A Thousand Times Goodnight
As chapter 1's name has stayed the same, and 6's name is now 2's, you see where that was coming from?
Yeah, I see how you could make that connection :) The renaming and how it works kind of shows how we condensed the story, actually--things that were going to be revealed in Chapter 7 are now in Episode 3, for example. Much of Chapter 3 is now Episode 5 (they don't have the same title, but you'll notice they are very similar). Chapter 6's title became Episode 2's because a lot of that information was moved into Episode 2 (specifically, talking about the two societies, of course). We basically moved things to where it made sense to put them in the re-organized game, and the renaming of Episodes was based on what was now fitting.
Quote from: Baggins on February 17, 2011, 01:24:04 AM
Shakespeare is one of those things I find easier to understand watching than trying to read.
While you can't understand everything (there are alot of double entendres that are lost in modern language), seeing what goes on on screen or stage gives important context to what is being said.
This is very true. A good performance goes a long way in making up for language difficulties. I remember reading one of Shakespeares' plays (don't remember which one) with extensive explanatory footnotes. There was at least one triplle entendre in there!
Yeah, I've noticed/learned that a lot of Shakespeare is much easier to comprehend when you see it performed. Which makes sense, they are plays after all.
But even the 'boring' classes on classic literature (and I agree, they very much can be boring! English major, I sat through a lot of them!), it is important to know what's been done before, why it had impact enough to still be studied today, the way words are and have been used, how they can be used in different ways, how they've evolved, along with people's styles and tastes.
Well I guess before I get to writing any games, I'll have to start reading and understanding shakespeare. Time to shelve that game idea I had... What a shame, too. It had such potential...
Haha, I'm not saying one can't forge on ahead with their own work regardless--just that studying what's come before has a place and a reason for being done and being encouraged. :)
Quote from: KatieHal on February 17, 2011, 08:20:48 AM
Haha, I'm not saying one can't forge on ahead with their own work regardless--just that studying what's come before has a place and a reason for being done and being encouraged. :)
Well, perhaps I should study shakespeare a bit more before I go any further with the idea regardless. Although my co-writer is a fan of shakespeare I think, so she's got me covered in that regard...
Is the episode 3 coming avaible soon ??? ::)
Quote from: Baronpekugram on February 17, 2011, 08:33:46 AM
Is the episode 3 coming avaible soon ??? ::)
I do believe the answer is yes. So sit tight.
Quote from: Baronpekugram on February 17, 2011, 08:33:46 AM
Is the episode 3 coming avaible soon ??? ::)
;_; I'm going to be so distracted during my organic lab today, wanting to rush home and check if it's been released yet >.<
Quote from: Baronpekugram on February 17, 2011, 08:33:46 AM
Is the episode 3 coming avaible soon ??? ::)
We are currently testing our download servers and mirrors to make sure everything is in tip-top shape. Don't worry, it's coming. Be patient. Only a few more hours until it goes live.
Quote from: oocloud36 on February 17, 2011, 08:37:45 AM
Quote from: Baronpekugram on February 17, 2011, 08:33:46 AM
Is the episode 3 coming avaible soon ??? ::)
;_; I'm going to be so distracted during my organic lab today, wanting to rush home and check if it's been released yet >.<
I may stop paying attention in English class to see if it's gone live yet...
Quote from: dark-daventry on February 17, 2011, 08:38:31 AM
Quote from: Baronpekugram on February 17, 2011, 08:33:46 AM
Is the episode 3 coming avaible soon ??? ::)
We are currently testing our download servers and mirrors to make sure everything is in tip-top shape. Don't worry, it's coming. Be patient. Only a few more hours until it goes live.
Quote from: oocloud36 on February 17, 2011, 08:37:45 AM
Quote from: Baronpekugram on February 17, 2011, 08:33:46 AM
Is the episode 3 coming avaible soon ??? ::)
;_; I'm going to be so distracted during my organic lab today, wanting to rush home and check if it's been released yet >.<
I may stop paying attention in English class to see if it's gone live yet...
lolol. I have to fly out of town for a conference tomorrow, so I will definitely be playing it on the plane :D ...if I for some reason don't stay up late tonight after lab :P
Gah! Excitement! Must dance!
(>'-')> <('-'<) ^(' - ')^ <('-'<) (>'-')>
Phew, I feel better. ^_^
Quote from: dark-daventry on February 17, 2011, 06:55:59 AM
Ill take this into consideration, cesar. I truly do want to be a writer, so ill give Shakespeare an honest shot. If the internet hadn't intervened in my life, I'd probably be at a much different place than I am now. I think if I really sit down and devote time to it, I can understand it. I'm only 19, so I have much yet to learn.
Also, to clarify a bit with the us time: there are at least two us timezones. Katie and I are in the eastern time zone. Many others are in the Pacific time zone. While its morning for Katie and I, its still night for others. My aunt in California is still fast asleep right now.
Heh, well, I didn't necessarily say you need to read Shakespeare to be able to write a game script. What I'm mostly saying is that knowledge of the classics, literature, philosophy, arts, etc, as boring as it can be sometimes (believe me, there's nothing more exasperating than sitting through a class of Plato and Socrates when you've only slept 3 hours the night before), it slowly not only starts to become interesting, but you start to connect the dots in your head and see the reason for so many things nowadays. But you have a great attitude about it. Most kids your age would not listen :)
But anyhow, back on topic, My Only Love Sprung From My Only Hate, here it comes!!!
Quote from: Cez on February 17, 2011, 09:46:58 AM
Quote from: dark-daventry on February 17, 2011, 06:55:59 AM
Ill take this into consideration, cesar. I truly do want to be a writer, so ill give Shakespeare an honest shot. If the internet hadn't intervened in my life, I'd probably be at a much different place than I am now. I think if I really sit down and devote time to it, I can understand it. I'm only 19, so I have much yet to learn.
Also, to clarify a bit with the us time: there are at least two us timezones. Katie and I are in the eastern time zone. Many others are in the Pacific time zone. While its morning for Katie and I, its still night for others. My aunt in California is still fast asleep right now.
Heh, well, I didn't necessarily say you need to read Shakespeare to be able to write a game script. What I'm mostly saying is that knowledge of the classics, literature, philosophy, arts, etc, as boring as it can be sometimes (believe me, there's nothing more exasperating than sitting through a class of Plato and Socrates when you've only slept 3 hours the night before), it slowly not only starts to become interesting, but you start to connect the dots in your head and see the reason for so many things nowadays. But you have a great attitude about it. Most kids your age would not listen :)
But anyhow, back on topic, My Only Love Sprung From My Only Hate, here it comes!!!
WOOHOO! I'm very ecstatic about this!
Cez, can you give me any advice on script-writing? With your permission, I'll send you an e-mail with details. When you're not busy with Episode 3 stuff. There's a lot to do right now lol.
Quote from: dark-daventry on February 17, 2011, 09:58:36 AM
Cez, can you give me any advice on script-writing? With your permission, I'll send you an e-mail with details. When you're not busy with Episode 3 stuff. There's a lot to do right now lol.
He could just send us the script to TSL so we could learn by example. ::)
LOL, actually, the script is in many places and pieces at this point. Putting it together in one single document would be a challenge in and of itself!
Quote from: KatieHal on February 17, 2011, 11:00:10 AM
LOL, actually, the script is in many places and pieces at this point. Putting it together in one single document would be a challenge in and of itself!
Let me try. See what I can do. You never know what a fresh set of eyes can do! Plus, it'll be some good experience for me. Although having Katie and Cez's input is also very helpful. Looking at a script is certainly all good and well, but nothing beats having a real person (or several) go over and tell you what you messed up on and that you should bury your hopes and dreams... :P (kidding of course)
No, I literally meant it's scattered on personal computers, shared docs, an episode here, another there, new material in this place, and so forth. The only way for a new person to gather it into one place would be for someone else who already has some pieces of it to do that in the first place.
Anyways, this is off-topic. Back to being excited for Episode 3!
(http://www.postudios.com/blog/forum/Themes/Anecdot/images/star.gif) Episode 3 (http://www.postudios.com/blog/forum/Themes/Anecdot/images/star.gif)
wheres the count down clock? :P ;)
Right here! (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?month=02&day=17&year=2011&hour=18&min=00&sec=00&p0=43)
Quote from: KatieHal on February 17, 2011, 11:31:41 AM
Right here! (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?month=02&day=17&year=2011&hour=18&min=00&sec=00&p0=43)
*SCREAMS*
WOOOOOOO
;D
Awesome, our very own countdown clock! RIGHT ON!
Quoteeven TSL is inundated with Shakespeare
Personally, I think this is what ruined the whole idea of TSL for me, whether the writing was done well or not. It's based on something that was never King's Quest.
I don't quite follow, since TSL is very clearly heavily based on King's Quest.
Quote from: KatieHal on February 17, 2011, 01:09:31 PM
I don't quite follow, since TSL is very clearly heavily based on King's Quest.
He's referring Shakespeare. I think he's trying to say that KQ has little to do with Shakespeare and takes little cues from it, and as such, TSL has little to do with Shakespeare. I think. Did I get that right?
Quote from: dark-daventry on February 17, 2011, 01:23:51 PM
Quote from: KatieHal on February 17, 2011, 01:09:31 PM
I don't quite follow, since TSL is very clearly heavily based on King's Quest.
He's referring Shakespeare. I think he's trying to say that KQ has little to do with Shakespeare and takes little cues from it, and as such, TSL has little to do with Shakespeare. I think. Did I get that right?
It seemed to me that he was inferring TSL took more cues from Shakespeare than the King's Quest games ever did?
Quote from: Sslaxx on February 17, 2011, 01:25:52 PM
Quote from: dark-daventry on February 17, 2011, 01:23:51 PM
Quote from: KatieHal on February 17, 2011, 01:09:31 PM
I don't quite follow, since TSL is very clearly heavily based on King's Quest.
He's referring Shakespeare. I think he's trying to say that KQ has little to do with Shakespeare and takes little cues from it, and as such, TSL has little to do with Shakespeare. I think. Did I get that right?
It seemed to me that he was inferring TSL took more cues from Shakespeare than the King's Quest games ever did?
That sounds about right too...
Yeah...he's saying, I believe, that TSL is based more on a Shakespearean style than on a King's Quest style, and that the two are not the same.
Well, I disagree, but to each his own.
but that's still very far from being true. King's Quest itself is based on too much folklore, mythology, fairy tales, etc. That's all found in TSL. The fact that there are concepts borrowed from the Shakespeare stories isn't necessarily what changed the tone in TSL. The darker approach actually has nothing to do with the borrowed Shakesperian references, if something, the Shakesperian references make it very KQ. For example, the story of Romeo and Juliet would have fit King's Quest very much, in the same way that Beauty and the Beast did. It's just a matter of how far you take it into the tragedy of Shakespeare, which we certainly don't even get close even as dark as the game, and especially episode 3, will get.
And it's all also very subjective. I mean, what darker thing that Bram Stoker's Dracula and that's in King's Quest --which points to the fact that King's Quest also borrows from classic literature. Even King's Quest 6's Underworld has shades of darkness that don't quite fit the lighter side of King's Quest. To say Shakespeare doesn't fit King's Quest is, imo, far from being true.
Quote from: Cez on February 17, 2011, 01:43:33 PM
And it's all also very subjective. I mean, what darker thing that Bram Stoker's Dracula and that's in King's Quest --which points to the fact that King's Quest also borrows from classic literature. Even King's Quest 6's Underworld has shades of darkness that don't quite fit the lighter side of King's Quest. To say Shakespeare doesn't fit King's Quest is, imo, far from being true.
So, who is speaking in absolutes here?
I'm just referring to MI's post where he says that basing TSL on something non King's Quest (Shakespeare) ruined TSL. I'm just saying that, to me, Shakespeare fits King's Quest very well as long as you don't delve too much into the tragedies and have everyone die at the end of the story, to put it in s silly way :P
Actually, I don't think MI was referring to Shakespeare at all, but rather everybody's favorite modern Shakespeare, Stephanie Meyer. Lol
Gaahhh, noo!!! :no:
Quote from: Lambonius on February 17, 2011, 02:06:15 PM
Actually, I don't think MI was referring to Shakespeare at all, but rather everybody's favorite modern Shakespeare, Stephanie Meyer. Lol
You just wait until Cassima gets pregnant by Dracula. And dies at the end.
GAH! No Twilight, please!
Quote from: Cez on February 17, 2011, 02:10:44 PM
Quote from: Lambonius on February 17, 2011, 02:06:15 PM
Actually, I don't think MI was referring to Shakespeare at all, but rather everybody's favorite modern Shakespeare, Stephanie Meyer. Lol
You just wait until Cassima's gets pregnant by Dracula. And dies at the end.
Which begs the important question: Do half-vampire babies suck the mother's blood from inside the uterus?
Cool its released at six.
Quote from: Cez on February 17, 2011, 02:10:44 PM
Quote from: Lambonius on February 17, 2011, 02:06:15 PM
Actually, I don't think MI was referring to Shakespeare at all, but rather everybody's favorite modern Shakespeare, Stephanie Meyer. Lol
You just wait until Cassima gets pregnant by Dracula. And dies at the end.
ROFL! And her spawn falls in love with....JOLLO!
Quote from: Lambonius on February 17, 2011, 02:11:45 PM
Quote from: Cez on February 17, 2011, 02:10:44 PM
Quote from: Lambonius on February 17, 2011, 02:06:15 PM
Actually, I don't think MI was referring to Shakespeare at all, but rather everybody's favorite modern Shakespeare, Stephanie Meyer. Lol
You just wait until Cassima's gets pregnant by Dracula. And dies at the end.
Which begs the important question: Do half-vampire babies suck the mother's blood from inside the uterus?
....
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I meant that TSL is based on Shakespearean style while King's Quest never did. Right down to its writing style (I mentioned nothing about the dark factor which is an entirely different issue) which is just out of place to me as a King's Quest fan.
Quote from: MusicallyInspired on February 17, 2011, 06:03:48 PM
I meant that TSL is based on Shakespearean style while King's Quest never did. Right down to its writing style (I mentioned nothing about the dark factor which is an entirely different issue) which is just out of place to me as a King's Quest fan.
I don't know if I would call anything about TSL Shakespearean, to be quite honest. I mean, the episode title references is one thing, but writing style? I'm not so sure about that.
We made it very clear to Cesar that we were drawing the line at iambic pentameter ;)