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Title: Stuck on Chessboard tricksters scene with Hole in the Wall
Post by: araigumabks on February 17, 2011, 10:55:38 PM
Are you totally clueless on how to make the tricksters toss the seashell toward Hole in the Wall?  The solution came from CalmLunatic.  Read his reply near the bottom of this webpage.
Title: Re: Stuck on Chessboard tricksters scene with Hole in the Wall
Post by: dark-daventry on February 17, 2011, 11:02:16 PM
Do you have a red tile by any chance?
Title: Re: Stuck on Chessboard tricksters scene with Hole in the Wall
Post by: drunkenmonkey on February 18, 2011, 12:39:35 AM
The first part is to block the white checker from moving back towards the other two reds. Learn how the checkers move.
Title: Re: Stuck on Chessboard tricksters scene with Hole in the Wall
Post by: snabbott on February 18, 2011, 10:46:24 AM
You have the right idea - just keep trying...
Title: Re: Stuck on Chessboard tricksters scene with Hole in the Wall
Post by: wilco64256 on February 18, 2011, 11:09:12 AM
Quote from: araigumabks on February 18, 2011, 10:43:55 AM
Someone is not paying attention to what I post.  I MADE IT AS FAR AS THE WHITE PAWN CLOSEST TO THE CASTLE EXIT (pawn = chess piece with the sphere on top of an upside down cone)!

Try figuring out where he's going to move to and then do something to prevent that in advance.
Title: Re: Stuck on Chessboard tricksters scene with Hole in the Wall
Post by: jobreton on February 18, 2011, 11:56:43 AM
It's impossible this puzzle, Whenever I try to block the red pawn to throw to the other red pawn, if I block the path It throw back at the white checker piece

Title: Re: Stuck on Chessboard tricksters scene with Hole in the Wall
Post by: Cez on February 18, 2011, 11:58:04 AM
have you tried 2 red pawns possibilities? one of them works, the other doesn't.
Title: Re: Stuck on Chessboard tricksters scene with Hole in the Wall
Post by: jobreton on February 18, 2011, 11:59:06 AM
I feel I'm circling around and around and around. Stupid Puzzle
Title: Re: Stuck on Chessboard tricksters scene with Hole in the Wall
Post by: snabbott on February 18, 2011, 12:08:50 PM
The puzzle is actually not that bad once you figure out the patterns, but figuring them out can take some pretty major effort. It does sound like you're blocking the wrong pawn. Also, remember that [spoiler]you need to block it when it doesn't have the shell.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Stuck on Chessboard tricksters scene with Hole in the Wall
Post by: KatieHal on February 18, 2011, 12:15:46 PM
[spoiler]Try using the Hand on the tile in the inventory. [/spoiler]
Title: Re: Stuck on Chessboard tricksters scene with Hole in the Wall
Post by: The Hero on February 18, 2011, 02:03:51 PM
really stuck here can somone give me exact directions even if via pm
Title: Re: Stuck on Chessboard tricksters scene with Hole in the Wall
Post by: writerlove on February 18, 2011, 06:49:38 PM
I'm stuck here too. Blah. I was never any good at checkers or chess.
Title: Re: Stuck on Chessboard tricksters scene with Hole in the Wall
Post by: Cez on February 18, 2011, 06:52:05 PM
how stuck? Want a hint? Ask a question! :)
Title: Re: Stuck on Chessboard tricksters scene with Hole in the Wall
Post by: writerlove on February 18, 2011, 06:56:08 PM
Currently the red piece in the back has the shell. I've figured out I'm supposed to block them from passing it around, but I'm not sure how.
Title: Re: Stuck on Chessboard tricksters scene with Hole in the Wall
Post by: Cez on February 18, 2011, 06:58:42 PM
[spoiler]have you gotten the tile yet?[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Stuck on Chessboard tricksters scene with Hole in the Wall
Post by: writerlove on February 18, 2011, 07:00:53 PM
[spoiler] Yes I have the tile.  I've placed it several places on the board but the little buggers still find a way around it. [/spoiler]
Title: Re: Stuck on Chessboard tricksters scene with Hole in the Wall
Post by: calmlunatic on February 18, 2011, 07:03:08 PM
Below is a fairly explicit spoiler. So only use it if you are very stuck. And I mean VERY stuck. It's very entertaining to figure out.



[spoiler]
How the game works.
Red checker is stage one.
Red chess stage two.
White chess stage 3.

They will pass the shell between them and the white checker. Watch where the white checker moves when it throw to the red checkers. Then place the tile on the square where it jumps. But make sure that tile is the opposite colour of the square you're putting it on. Use this for below when I say block it.

White checker will pass it to red chess when blocked. Red chess 1 (the one the white one throws it too) will now toss it between itself and Red Chess 2 (the other one). If you block Red Chess 2 it will throw to White Checker and you'll have to start all over again. You need to block Red Chess 1 who will then throw it to White Chess 1. Block white chess 2. WHite chess two will then throw to hole in the wall.
[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Stuck on Chessboard tricksters scene with Hole in the Wall
Post by: writerlove on February 18, 2011, 08:24:08 PM
[spoiler]I currently have the red #1 blocked and the white one with the shell. But If I try to block him, white throws it to red number one. Grrr. [/spoiler]
Title: Re: Stuck on Chessboard tricksters scene with Hole in the Wall
Post by: Cez on February 18, 2011, 08:25:58 PM
Quote from: writerlove on February 18, 2011, 08:24:08 PM
[spoiler]I currently have the red #1 blocked and the white one with the shell. But If I try to block him, white throws it to red number one. Grrr. [/spoiler]

[spoiler]You don't need to block white number 1. You'll notice that he'll throw it to white number 2 if you don't. BUT, the problem is that if you try to put the tile next to them when they have the shell, they will throw it. So, while White #1 has it, you have to anticipate White number 2's move :)[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Stuck on Chessboard tricksters scene with Hole in the Wall
Post by: writerlove on February 18, 2011, 08:56:40 PM
[spoiler]I haven't seen them toss to the pawns once in this section. It's just between the three checkers pieces. So I'm not sure which one is white number 2. [/spoiler]

(Posted on: February 18, 2011, 10:30:41 PM)


Quote from: calmlunatic on February 18, 2011, 07:03:08 PM
Below is a fairly explicit spoiler. So only use it if you are very stuck. And I mean VERY stuck. It's very entertaining to figure out.

[spoiler]
How the game works.
Red checker is stage one.
Red chess stage two.
White chess stage 3.

They will pass the shell between them and the white checker. Watch where the white checker moves when it throw to the red checkers. Then place the tile on the square where it jumps. But make sure that tile is the opposite colour of the square you're putting it on. Use this for below when I say block it.

White checker will pass it to red chess when blocked. Red chess 1 (the one the white one throws it too) will now toss it between itself and Red Chess 2 (the other one). If you block Red Chess 2 it will throw to White Checker and you'll have to start all over again. You need to block Red Chess 1 who will then throw it to White Chess 1. Block white chess 2. WHite chess two will then throw to hole in the wall.
[/spoiler]


Thank you for posting that! It's how I figured out how to solve the puzzle! For awhile I wasn't sure I would get it, lolz.
Title: Re: Stuck on Chessboard tricksters scene with Hole in the Wall
Post by: mommylovesdaddy on February 19, 2011, 02:15:27 AM
I am soo lost and doubt anyone will be able to help me at this time... but when I go to block red chess 1, it is jumping onto an already red checker piece on the board, so my placing the red tile doesn't make any difference to it, the chess piece still hops on the red tile as if it were part of the checker board and continues to pass to red chess 2... I am so confused :S
Title: Re: Stuck on Chessboard tricksters scene with Hole in the Wall
Post by: calmlunatic on February 19, 2011, 05:27:14 AM
Quote from: mommylovesdaddy on February 19, 2011, 02:15:27 AM
I am soo lost and doubt anyone will be able to help me at this time... but when I go to block red chess 1, it is jumping onto an already red checker piece on the board, so my placing the red tile doesn't make any difference to it, the chess piece still hops on the red tile as if it were part of the checker board and continues to pass to red chess 2... I am so confused :S
[spoiler]open up your inventory and click the hand icon on the tile[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Stuck on Chessboard tricksters scene with Hole in the Wall
Post by: mommylovesdaddy on February 19, 2011, 10:52:52 AM
[spoiler] OMG! that is awesome lol, I kept thinking I must have to paint it white with glue or something somehow lol... I just needed to flip it over? thats too funny, thank you for the help I thought I would never get past that part [/spoiler]
Title: Re: Stuck on Chessboard tricksters scene with Hole in the Wall
Post by: happy123 on February 20, 2011, 10:31:45 AM
Quote from: snabbott on February 18, 2011, 12:08:50 PM
The puzzle is actually not that bad once you figure out the patterns, but figuring them out can take some pretty major effort. It does sound like you're blocking the wrong pawn. Also, remember that [spoiler]you need to block it when it doesn't have the shell.[/spoiler]

Sierra at least used to make there games easy for even a child to figure out. There shouldn't have had to be any major effort if the game was done right. Just another example of one of the stupidly hard puzzles in this game.
Title: Re: Stuck on Chessboard tricksters scene with Hole in the Wall
Post by: wilco64256 on February 20, 2011, 10:47:22 AM
No major effort required.  Just observation.  Watch where a piece normally goes, block it, then observe again to see if you changed what was happening.
Title: Re: Stuck on Chessboard tricksters scene with Hole in the Wall
Post by: Arkillian on February 20, 2011, 11:35:29 AM
Quote from: happy123 on February 20, 2011, 10:31:45 AM
Quote from: snabbott on February 18, 2011, 12:08:50 PM
The puzzle is actually not that bad once you figure out the patterns, but figuring them out can take some pretty major effort. It does sound like you're blocking the wrong pawn. Also, remember that [spoiler]you need to block it when it doesn't have the shell.[/spoiler]

Sierra at least used to make there games easy for even a child to figure out. There shouldn't have had to be any major effort if the game was done right. Just another example of one of the stupidly hard puzzles in this game.

It's actually not stupidly hard. here's a hint though in though that may be what is stumping you

[spoiler]You can actually flip the tile over[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Stuck on Chessboard tricksters scene with Hole in the Wall
Post by: mrward on February 20, 2011, 03:35:46 PM
Quote from: araigumabks on February 17, 2011, 10:55:38 PM
Are you totally clueless on how to make the tricksters toss the seashell toward Hole in the Wall?  The solution came from CalmLunatic.  Read his reply near the bottom of this webpage.
This game is just to confusing
Title: Re: Stuck on Chessboard tricksters scene with Hole in the Wall
Post by: ladydragon on February 22, 2011, 12:09:54 AM
Quote from: mommylovesdaddy on February 19, 2011, 10:52:52 AM
[spoiler] OMG! that is awesome lol, I kept thinking I must have to paint it white with glue or something somehow lol... I just needed to flip it over? thats too funny, thank you for the help I thought I would never get past that part [/spoiler]

DUHHH :P thank you for that! I was doing the same thing wrong and if you had not put that up, I was going to give up totally. LOL I played with this thing for over an hour before I came, read the solution, still didn't help, came back to see your post. I finally past it thanks to you, and it was about "flipping" time.   :suffer:
Title: Re: Stuck on Chessboard tricksters scene with Hole in the Wall
Post by: garyoa1 on March 13, 2011, 12:36:50 AM
Need a rest. I can play chess and checkers but I'm not seeing it. I know where to block but can't block while it has the shell. So monkey in the middle defines it perfectly for me.
Title: Re: Stuck on Chessboard tricksters scene with Hole in the Wall
Post by: jgodinho on March 13, 2011, 05:54:02 AM
Between each pass you need to block, there's an intermediate pass to give you time to set up the next one.

Just make sure that the first thing you do after each blocked pass is set up the next block and then you can get them passing again.

Trust me. It works :)
Title: Re: Stuck on Chessboard tricksters scene with Hole in the Wall
Post by: akkratte on March 14, 2011, 10:00:00 PM
Are you kidding me? This is one of the easiest puzzles if you know to flip the tile over (which I didn't at first). This is certainly NOT a 'way too difficult' puzzle.

(Posted on: March 13, 2011, 11:24:17 PM)


Although if I could change one thing it would be making the puzzle squared away with chess/checkers rules. It does with the checkers...but my first reaction was to put the tile on the square in front of the pawn.
Title: Re: Stuck on Chessboard tricksters scene with Hole in the Wall
Post by: wilco64256 on March 15, 2011, 09:08:07 AM
Quote from: akkratte on March 14, 2011, 10:00:00 PM
Are you kidding me? This is one of the easiest puzzles if you know to flip the tile over (which I didn't at first). This is certainly NOT a 'way too difficult' puzzle.

(Posted on: March 13, 2011, 11:24:17 PM)


Although if I could change one thing it would be making the puzzle squared away with chess/checkers rules. It does with the checkers...but my first reaction was to put the tile on the square in front of the pawn.

Yeah I actually toyed around with this puzzle quite a bit before settling on this setup.  We discussed the various types of movements and at one point even considered having a few different kinds of game pieces other than just pawns and checkers and having them all moving following their own correct rules.  In the end it seemed simplest to just go with pawns and checkers and have them move the same way.  Even at that I originally had a somewhat more complex setup that required a good deal more observation to track the throwing patterns of the pieces.
Title: Re: Stuck on Chessboard tricksters scene with Hole in the Wall
Post by: DavNomDan on March 17, 2011, 05:30:41 PM
QuoteSo, start by clicking the shell on the three checkers pieces and notice from which square the white one will throw the shell.
Well & truly stuck. The walkthrough on Gameboomers says above. But how can anybody use the shell when the object of the puzzle is to OBTAIN the shell ?  ???
But worse than that! Everybody is talking about the shell being thrown from object to object. But I get nothing like that - the whole screen remains static & inert.
I have put the red-white tile on different squares but nothing whatsoever happens. I can try using the hand-icon or any other icon on all pawns checkers squares whatever. But still nothing happens,
What is wrong? HELP NEEDED to continue!

(Posted on: March 17, 2011, 06:26:35 PM)


Ignore my previous post --- it's working OK now.
I started it from a previous Save which must have got corrupted somehow! :D  ;D
Title: Re: Stuck on Chessboard tricksters scene with Hole in the Wall
Post by: Jepe on March 17, 2011, 05:30:46 PM
Yes, you are right. The objective is to obtain the shell.  But, you will obtain it with the help of "The hole in the Wall" when the shell gets to it.

So, you must see how the shell is pass from checkers to checkers and/or from pawn to pawn.

That is why it is said to start by clicking "the shell" ( not the checkers or later the  pawn), to see it go around.  But if you still get a static screen, I can't help you with this.

Just follow the WT carefully and you should get there.

Good luck.

Jepe/Chief


EDIT: just saw your edit.  Great that you are going on with the game. ;D
Title: Re: Stuck on Chessboard tricksters scene with Hole in the Wall
Post by: DavNomDan on March 19, 2011, 07:08:38 PM
Many thanx.
I understand now and am on my way  ... I hope  ::)

(Posted on: March 17, 2011, 07:34:42 PM)


This puzzle is refreshingly original as well as entertaining. Too many Adventure puzzles lately are stereotyped and rather boring. This one is interesting and novel IMO! :)
If you arte stuck, the following is an extremely detailed but comprehensive step by step SPOILER-solution.[]   [spoiler] The object of this puzzle is to get the elusive jumping shell to the hole in the wall (and hence subsequently to your inventory!).
    The 8 x 8 checkers/chess-board can be visualized as 8 rows stretching upwards from the bottom and represented by the letters "A" thro' "H", and 8 columns stretching from left to right and represented by the numbers "1" thro' "8".
(1)      From inventory, place the red tile onto square E6.
(2)     Click on all 3 checkers and finish when the shell rests on the only white checker on square D5.
(3)     Click on the shell at square D5 and see it jump to the red pawn at square G1.
(4)      Click on the shell at G1 and see it  jump to the only other red pawn at square D1.
(5)      Pick up the red tile from square E6.
(6)      In inventory, click on the red tile and it flips over to a white one.
(7)      From inventory, place the white tile onto square F2.
(8
      Click on the shell at square D1 and see it jump back to the previous red pawn at square G1.
(9)     Click on the shell at G1 and see it jump to the white pawn at square F3.
(10)      Pick up the white tile from square F2.
(11)      From inventory, place the white tile onto square C3.
(12)      Click on the shell at F3 and see it jump to the white pawn at square B2.
(13)      Click on the shell at B2.
             EUREKA! See the shell jump to the hole in the wall who automatically transfers it to your inventory!  :) :)[/spoiler]            

Title: Re: Stuck on Chessboard tricksters scene with Hole in the Wall
Post by: pabuslem on March 22, 2011, 07:24:54 AM
So, I'm one of those gamers that spent some time on the chess puzzle and couldn't figure it out. I had to come here to see the solution, but it didn't help much either, since the hints here are mostly about how you have to block the chess pieces with the tile so they toss the shell to one another and finally to the Hole-in-the-wall.

Then, playing some more, I realized the true puzzle isn't that one. The real puzzle is...

[spoiler]
... to figure out that the red tile is ALSO a white tile. I kept blocking the chess pieces that jumped over white squares, but I couldn't do that with the pieces that stood over red squares. I wondered where I could find a white tile until I entered in to the inventory, click the eye icon over the red tile and got a description that cleared things up. Then, I used the hand icon on the red tile, and it flipped it into a white tile.
[/spoiler]

After you have figured that out, the blocking part is quite easy and straightforward. You just have to watch the pieces movements (they always move to the same square when tossing the shell) and block accordingly, on a trial an error basis.

Title: Re: Stuck on Chessboard tricksters scene with Hole in the Wall
Post by: DavNomDan on March 22, 2011, 01:01:42 PM
Yes! That's one of the essential aspects of the puzzle - but not the only one!
[spoiler]Why else would yyou have a red-white tile and not simply a single coloured one[/spoiler]?