Im just a mere king's quest fan, so naturally my persistance greatly outwieghs my patience.
Does anyone know when the long-awaited infamous KQ4 Perils of Rosella Remake will come out?
I know it is fan made and will take some time, due to more important life-going-ons happening everyday, but i was wondering if anyone had some special super secret connections to the current progress of the game, to ease my impatient mind..
The last thing i heard about it, a release was planned for "sometime after the release of tsl ep3".. Its becoming quite irksome googling 'KQ4 remake' every month or so to find the same old forum posts on less than official forum sites, and now that tsl ep3 completely fails to work for me, and i only have kq3 redux to take up my spare time, it would be awesome to one morning discover that the game is on the verge of being completed :)
I think you're thinking of AGDI's King's Quest III Redux (http://www.agdinteractive.com/games/kq3/download/download.html). It was released Wednesday.
Magic Mirror Games is working on a KQIV remake, but as far as I know, they haven't said anything about when it will be released.
Yes im currently playing KQ3 Redux, and apart from the low game resolution, im really enjoying it.. But, yeh, it was KQ4 i was really looking forward to. If anyone else hears anything about the game progress, please post the news up!!
Quote from: SOUL FIR3 on February 25, 2011, 02:44:57 PM
The last thing i heard about it, a release was planned for "sometime after the release of tsl ep3".. Its becoming quite irksome googling 'KQ4 remake' every month or so to find the same old forum posts on less than official forum sites.
Me too! I have not heard anything new.
Also, heard someone is remaking king's quest 8. Does anybody know is that rumour is true?
Not sure, but Google turned up this page: http://www.kq8project.9f.com/cgi-bin/blog. The last update appears to have been in 2008.
And the last update to the KQIV Remake site, http://www.mmgames.org/KQ4/, was in October 2010.
I believe the KQ8 one is atec123's - I think that project is on hold indefinitely due to lack of time and resources. As far as I know, they're still working on KQIV. The project had stalled for a while due to a need for sprite artists, but they got one/some. I don't know how far along they are. I believe Elessar on these forums is a member of that team, but I haven't seen him around in a long time.
Quote from: snabbott on February 26, 2011, 03:36:17 PM
I believe the KQ8 one is atec123's - I think that project is on hold indefinitely due to lack of time and resources. As far as I know, they're still working on KQIV. The project had stalled for a while due to a need for sprite artists, but they got one/some. I don't know how far along they are. I believe Elessar on these forums is a member of that team, but I haven't seen him around in a long time.
Yeah. KQ8 isn't happening. (well not in the next 5 years or so at least) I didn't even know my old site was even on the webs. yeah I just got too excited about the project, announced it too soon, and then realised I couldn't handle it. I might eventually try again, but not any time soon.
As for KQ4... MMGames' remake is going slow. they did somewhat recently hire 2 new sprite artists but I haven't really spoken with them since before that, so that is most likely speeding things up. (their main problem was sprites)
I think they had the problem of announcing their project too soon. From what I understand it really isn't very far along at the moment. I am a moderator on their forums, just because I used to lurk there a lot and was on and posted more than any of the team members, but I am not on the team.
I have it on reasonable authority that AGDI would like to do KQ4, but can't because of the nature of their license with Activision.
Nightfable over at AGS has made some backgrounds, and may be working on a game. Check it out here.
http://www.bigbluecup.com/yabb/index.php?topic=39874.0
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Quote from: Lambonius on February 26, 2011, 08:38:59 PM
...the nature of [AGDI's] license with Activision...
A license exists? I thought AGDI just flew under the radar.
Quote from: Blackthorne on February 26, 2011, 09:30:09 PM
Nightfable over at AGS has made some backgrounds, and may be working on a game.
Very nice work.
I have mixed feelings about a KQ4 remake. On the one hand, I would like to see some of the more problematic puzzles tweaked, and it would be interesting to see a different take on the story, on the other hand ... I like the KQ4 graphics just as they are. In fact, I prefer the graphics of KQ4 to KQ5. If a remake is ever made I'll try it, but I think the graphics would have to be downright phenomenal to satisfy me.
KQ8 is not happening? That is too bad.
At less KQ4 is happening slowly.
How much long do you all think it will take them to finish KQ4? 2 years?
I don't think they will finish KQ4. That team fell apart; I don't think any of them realized the sheer amount of work it is to remake a game.
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Quote from: Blackthorne on February 27, 2011, 07:23:05 AM
I don't think they will finish KQ4. That team fell apart; I don't think any of them realized the sheer amount of work it is to remake a game.
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"they" being MMG?
I was starting to feel that way. I think nightfable should go help them (or maybe some of them should go help nightfable with programming and stuff)
Yeah, "Magic Mirror" games.
I don't ever think they had much done beyond a few backgrounds, sprites and some bare-bones programming.
It's real easy to remake a couple of backgrounds and release a teaser. Actually assembling a game.... it's a massive undertaking. Massive! Trust me.
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Yeah. Actually the easiest part is making the art. And even that's only easy if you have a dedicated group of (hopefully good) artists. Programming and bug fixing is the monumental task that seemingly never ends. Not to mention sound effects, music composition, etc. All that stuff takes a lot of time, commitment, and talent.
Oh, and you also have to have a clear direction for the whole project, and a coherent idea of every scene and interaction in the game, if not an actual written script. Writing interaction descriptions is a whole other chore in and of itself. At IA we all pitch in on that front, but without a solid project director who knows what he wants, it'd never get done.
Really? I thought that art was the most time-consuming part.
If *I* were doing it, the art would be the most time-consuming part. And it would still suck. :P Then again, it I were doing it, it would never get done...
Quote from: kindofdoon on February 27, 2011, 01:12:04 PM
Really? I thought that art was the most time-consuming part.
Heh...well, I guess it depends on your skill set. It's the easiest part in that it's the most fun part to watch come together, definitely. :)
If you have a person on the team that specifically does art, it's like any other task you're good at. It's faster, and more enjoyable. If you're doing it on your own, there's too many trades to be good at. A game is really a multi-player event.
Quote from: kindofdoon on February 27, 2011, 01:12:04 PM
Really? I thought that art was the most time-consuming part.
In my experience, the longest and most boring part is the sprite work. Take a standard EGO sprite, it'll move in all 8 directions at about 10 frames per direction, that's 80 copies of the one sprite. This doesn't include all the other animations like bending over, swimming, eating, flying like an eagle etc. It's just mind numbing boring work.
The backgrounds are the easiest because you can see progress straight away and it keeps motivation up.
I think that AGDI should redo KQ4 if possible. I really like their concept of smoothing over some wrinkles of the game and tying them all together with the "Thrice now I curse..." concept. They already did the other three wonderfully and even got Josh Mandel to play Graham why not finish the last game to be remade? Or maybe IA could take it up. They redid three why not four? Plus their doing an adventure that chronologically is taking place between KQ2 and KQ3. Somebody should do it. I have tried to contact MM but their comments are closed. I suppose that company is either shut down or progressing at the rate of a snail. :P
No! No contrived overarching villains or prophecies! Bad fanboys! Bad!!
AGDI won't be doing it, at least not for free. They're working on a commercial title right now called 'Mage's Initiation', an adventure RPG that calls to mind 'Quest For Glory'.
We at IA don't have any intentions of doing it, currently. We have our hands filled with a lot of stuff. Mostly snacks and beverages.
Magic Mirror games did quite a bit of work on it, and then ran out of steam and time - this often happens with fan projects. People don't realize the amount of work and time that you have to put into them, and things fall apart - everyone loses interest, and then they all wander away to spend their days playing Minesweeper and weeping.
There's currently two other groups pursing a remake of KQ4; one lead by Karen, who did some work on MM games version. She's doing hers with pre-rendered 3D models, and the other is led by a lady who goes by the name of Nightfable - hers is hand-drawn.
I wouldn't expect anything anytime soon.
Bt
Quote from: Lambonius on February 04, 2012, 07:14:43 PM
No! No contrived overarching villains or prophecies! Bad fanboys! Bad!!
THIS. It was already a stretch shoehorning the Father into KQ3 as it is. KQ4 certainly doesn't need to be any more complicated.
...though I wouldn't mind if AGDI did a short stand-alone game wherein Graham kills the Father. The key word there being
standalone.
guys i thought i wpi;d tell you all this http://www.bigbluecup.com/yabb/index.php?topic=45147.0
Quote from: The Hero on February 08, 2012, 04:35:21 PM
guys i thought i wpi;d tell you all this http://www.bigbluecup.com/yabb/index.php?topic=45147.0
Never going to happen. And ugly ugly ugly.
It is quite unattractive. Rosella looks like a troll. Nose is too big.
A troll? I can't believe I'm a troll! I'm not a troll, am I?
That said, the backgrounds look nice, but I don't think this is something that's going to get finished.
Touche lol.
Quote from: Rosella on February 08, 2012, 10:04:59 PM
A troll? I can't believe I'm a troll! I'm not a troll, am I?
Go back under your bridge!
wow you guys shock me ive never known the community her to be so hostile towards another fan project espicalin the spirit of kings quest finished or not i can say that it is a beautiful piece of work
I don't think it's hostility per se. I think it's more that we have a lot of people here who know the difficulties of creating a game and the realistic possibility that it might not get finished.
...And Rosella really does look kinda creepy.
What Rosella said.
Yeah, I wish them all the luck in the world, but if I had a nickel for every little excited group that put out a few screenshots, and then filled the rest of their rantings with wishy-washy pictures of what they might like to do - I'd be a rich man now.
I'll believe it when I see it. And, on a personal note, I hope I never see it because those models look like they came from straight from the bowels of hell and are imbued with no soul.
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Starting to look like unicorn tales is planning more than just a kq4 remake :-\
http://unicorntales.org/kq4-perilsofrosella-remake/kings-quest-image-galleries/
I wonder if these are in-game stills, or just hopefull artworks. Hopefully the latter, as they seem too 'pretty' to be working stills. As eager as i am for a modern version of 'The perils of Rosella', id personally rather a simple illustrative 'point and click' speech pack style that is reminiscent to the original 5 and 6, like what mmgames was promising before they recently went mia. And im shocked unicorntales even considered remaking Heir today, Gone tomorrow. i mean, whyy? ???
Best leave the 3d artwork to the proffessionals, fellas. geez.
Quote from: 929572 on February 05, 2012, 10:05:41 AM
Quote from: Lambonius on February 04, 2012, 07:14:43 PM
No! No contrived overarching villains or prophecies! Bad fanboys! Bad!!
THIS. It was already a stretch shoehorning the Father into KQ3 as it is. KQ4 certainly doesn't need to be any more complicated.
...though I wouldn't mind if AGDI did a short stand-alone game wherein Graham kills the Father. The key word there being standalone.
But... I like the The Father plot.
Note that their "To Heir is Human" remade backgrounds are based on AGDI's own re-imagined and re-drawn backgrounds.
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The "Time to Journey Once More" image on their front page is based off of an old TSL poster, too. Plus the phrase came from our game...but you can also tell by Rosella's hair and outfit, specifically.
ETA: Also, weird, I can't see the galleries now...
Can't see anything either.
Neither can i now. Their flash gallery must've died somehow. Or perhaps signing up to the site is required.
In the end, if these guys are the first to actually complete a half decent remake of KQ4, good on them. Its just that, sofar in time, the available stills look too 'Nancy Drew' and pretty for my taste. I still prefer the vga illustrative style to support the visual continuity of the games, but heck a free game is a free game!
Also, sofar it seems that not much thought has been put into the music/speech of the game yet, that is:
Quote*We haven't planned on adding (voice pack) as of yet. With that said, we may release an additional voice pack when the game and programming/scripting are mostly done.
Its reasonable to assume sound will indeed be added, speech being my main worry, but that 'maybe' tone doesnt sound too reassuring. 3D animation with mute characters? :-\
(Posted on: April 22, 2012, 06:57:54 PM)
On another note, i wonder how theyre going to tackle the [spoiler]Pandora's Box portion of the episode, and if it will tie into what we know now about the Silver Lining at all.[/spoiler]
As its an amateur effort, it's not surprising to me that they may not have voices for it.
The screenshots I saw before they went poof looked a lot more like 3D Poser images than in-game shots, I have to admit. But I do hope someone actually finishes a KQ4 remake!
I can see the galleries...they just take a friggin' month to appear.
I have mixed feelings on what I'm seeing here. On the one hand, some of the landscapes actually look okay, with Cupid's pool being a standout. On the other hand, the models generally look...well, weird.
Rosella is not at all how I pictured her (I pictured her being, y'know, attractive?), but the biggest offender is the cave troll. If you
have to show us what it looks like,
please don't make it look like Bigfoot's wimpy little brother, K guys? In fact, I'm opposed to seeing what it looks like, period. I LIKED how its appearance in the original game was left up to your imagination, and how all you saw was a pair of green, glow-in-the-dark eyes and a barely-visible silhouette. That's part of what made that sequence so memorable.
Quote from: GrahamRocks! on April 21, 2012, 09:00:17 AM
Quote from: 929572 on February 05, 2012, 10:05:41 AM
Quote from: Lambonius on February 04, 2012, 07:14:43 PM
No! No contrived overarching villains or prophecies! Bad fanboys! Bad!!
THIS. It was already a stretch shoehorning the Father into KQ3 as it is. KQ4 certainly doesn't need to be any more complicated.
...though I wouldn't mind if AGDI did a short stand-alone game wherein Graham kills the Father. The key word there being standalone.
But... I like the The Father plot.
Don't get me wrong, I don't HATE it, I just feel like it's its own story that needs to be told apart from the rest...that, and newcomers to the franchise who opt to play the remakes over the originals will be left feeling lost and confused when an important plot point like the Father just disappears into oblivion post KQ3 with no explanation given. Have you seen that thread on the IA forums entitled "What happened to the Father?" That was just painful to read.
Well, I guess it's a good thing I explained to my friend Cassie (I think I'm sloooowly turning her into a KQ fan after telling her so much about the series including TSL!) about the "AGD Split Timeline" and that if she ever plays the remakes and starts to learn more about The Father, that he and Shadrack aren't the same guy.
Good Lord. Even TSL's Alexanime is better than this. ;)
Yeah - he, you know, as fan-art, this isn't bad. There's obviously some love and homage there.
That's what this is at this point. It's just fan-art. Making a game take much, much, more. I'm sure Karen knows this - she worked on MMGames KQIV, and they had a lot done on that - and they still didn't have a playable game.
The characters, though, look like 3D characters. Soulless zombies.
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Quote from: Blackthorne on April 23, 2012, 07:00:59 PM
The characters, though, look like 3D characters. Soulless zombies.
Well, that's appropriate for the graveyard, anyway. :P
Quote from: snabbott on April 24, 2012, 09:29:20 AM
Quote from: Blackthorne on April 23, 2012, 07:00:59 PM
The characters, though, look like 3D characters. Soulless zombies.
Well, that's appropriate for the graveyard, anyway. :P
Hahah, Snabbott, always seeing the positive in things!
Bt
Has anyone seen that Nightfable and Agentfable from the adventuregamestudio forum are making a KQ4 remake. I personally LOVE Nightfable's graphics.
The site they have for the project is http://www.kq4remake.com/index.html Check out the gallery! The image of Lolotte makes me want to cackle evilly ;D
:yes:
Not too shabby! Looks almost like something from AGDI.
For some reason, I find the GIF of Graham's heart attack to be pretty amusing. Maybe it's because he isn't having a heart attack so much as he is strangling himself.
Heh heh, my thoughts exactly! ;D
I probably shouldn't laugh though, being strangled OR :suffer: ing a heart attack must be very painful.
Yeah, it is.
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It was probably a ripped and altered sprite from another Sierra game.
Actually, it's the exact same animation that you see whenever Mordack "force chokes" Graham at the end of KQ5.
That's what I figured. I meant altered in the sense that they changed his clothes.
I like the work they've done, but the general appearance of the backgrounds and characters looks a little too much like the original. I was hoping to see more distinct visual updates. (Especially since this is likely our best chance to ever see a remake of KQIV.)
It's kind of trippy to see the characters physically outside the box when speaking. Hmm...
I don't understand why there's a KQ5 gallery.... did KQ5 really need to be uglified? And the other games too? Are they just remaking the whole series in this 3D style? I have to say... I can tell their hearts are in the right place, but I don't really like the art style.
That said, any remake of KQ4 that gets completed I am 300% behind. I don't think this is going to get completed if they're working on the whole series though.
The time really has come to have a KQ4 remake. There've been sooooo many false starts on that project. I hope they succeed - beautifully or not. The original KQ4 never really did it for me. I recently watched Enchantermon's LP of it and I found myself fast-forwarding through too much of it. (Not the player's fault. ;D I blame the nut behind my mouse. ;))
A KQIV remake would be really cool; and I hope someone does it and gets to release it. I can say that IA will never be doing a KQIV remake, though - so there's some certainty in that!
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