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Title: Well, we survived the apocalypse... <snicker>
Post by: Baggins on May 22, 2011, 09:38:40 AM
May 21st has come and gone without so much as a burp...

I'm a little disappointed, I was hoping to take out a few zombies rising from the dead, while I waited for the planet to burst into a ball of fire in October. But hey we can't have everything can we?!

Oh well there is always December 21st, 2012! Go Mayans!
:suffer: :suffer: :suffer:
Title: Re: Well, we survived the apocalypse... <snicker>
Post by: kindofdoon on May 22, 2011, 10:06:35 AM
Well there was a small volcanic eruption in Iceland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gr%C3%ADmsv%C3%B6tn#2011_eruption).
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Post by: atec123 on May 22, 2011, 10:20:11 AM
this was the rapture.  2012 is the apocalypse.  get it right. :P

harold camping, the guy who predicted it seems to have fled and cannot be found anywhere and his house is abandoned...
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Post by: Baggins on May 22, 2011, 10:23:59 AM
Yes, there was that volcano, and apparently a 3.6 EQ in San Francisco, another 6.1 EQ off the coast of NZ.. And a Tornado killed 1 person, and damaged over a dozen houses in Kansas. Kinda anti-climactic without flesh eating zombies, and mass death.


Quoteharold camping, the guy who predicted it seems to have fled and cannot be found anywhere and his house is abandoned...
He was raptured, along with his millions! :p

Actually those billboard claimed May 21st was both the rapture and the start of the apocalypse. Apparently his apocalypse ends in October 21st, 2011. So we have a few months until the world bursts into flames! Lol.

Then we can worry about December 21st 2012!

Of course the global warming/climate change people are sure the end of the world will be between 20-50 years from now (possibly irreversible at this point). In 2006 Al Gore predicted the end of the world, or at least a scorched earth, would be in ten years (2016).

So there is still a chance I'll get to shoot me some zombies!
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Post by: Buddy1991 on May 22, 2011, 12:44:31 PM
oh, right, we were supposed to die. I was just too busy with cleaning my bedroom... ^^

I am kinda looking forward to December 21st ... It's the birthday of my mom ... Her birthday party is so freakin' doomed, I just love the idea of an actual apocalypse during her party... xD
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Post by: Baggins on May 24, 2011, 03:59:29 PM
So apparently his latest 'prediction' is that his previous October 21st prediction is still coming! Just now all the rapture and disasters will occur at the same time.  :rofl: :suffer: :rofl:

I wonder if Camping takes bets?
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Post by: darthkiwi on May 24, 2011, 04:28:26 PM
I just saw this:

http://news.aol.co.uk/world-news/story/preacher-alters-doomsday-prediction/1819162/

This bit intrigued me:

QuoteHis independent ministry, Family Radio International, spent millions - some of it from donations made by followers - on more than 5,000 billboards and 20 vehicles plastered with the Judgment Day message.

I feel kind of sorry for him now. He went to so much effort and it's all been for nothing. :-\

Plus, he could have given those million dollars to charity. Surely that would have been the more sensible thing to do? ???
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Post by: Haids1987 on May 24, 2011, 05:30:09 PM
Quote from: darthkiwi on May 24, 2011, 04:28:26 PM
I feel kind of sorry for him now. He went to so much effort and it's all been for nothing. :-\
Oh man, I feel no ounce of sympathy for him whatsoever.  He got (some ::)) people all fired up and terrified and he's scamming the naive for their money.  The psychotic old coot needs to get a different hobby than false prophecies.
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Post by: snabbott on May 24, 2011, 05:38:07 PM
I feel bad for the people who quit their jobs and sold everything because they were naïve enough to believe him. >:(

Harold Camping needs to read his Bible more carefully:
But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.
Matthew 24:36
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Post by: Haids1987 on May 24, 2011, 05:39:26 PM
Well-spoken, Snabbott. :highfive:
Title: Re: Well, we survived the apocalypse... <snicker>
Post by: Baggins on May 24, 2011, 06:44:47 PM
Indeed Snabbot, and there are a couple more verses with that same sentiment!
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Post by: Enchantermon on May 24, 2011, 07:17:44 PM
Funny thing is, his organization's literature admits to those verses, and then proceeds to completely ignore them by saying that God made new revelation available to people who are "true believers." I read one of the tracts on Family Radio's website to see how exactly he came to this conclusion. It's really an odd mess of taking verses out of context and twisting them to make them mean something they don't. If you're curious, I uploaded it here (http://www.mediafire.com/?x7bwd1c25pu7gxf); I assume it's been eradicated from Family Radio's website by now.
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Post by: Baggins on May 24, 2011, 07:23:33 PM
I personally never put trust into groups that claim "new revelations"... I know Snake Oil when I hears it!

Quote"true believers."
That's trademarked you know!, True Believers™.
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Post by: Enchantermon on May 24, 2011, 07:35:07 PM
Ah, yes, my bad. ;)
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Post by: Haids1987 on May 24, 2011, 10:11:21 PM
Quote from: Baggins on May 24, 2011, 07:23:33 PM
I know Snake Oil when I hears it!
Don't we all! ;)

(http://www.akril15.com/kq7resources/53290.gif)
Title: Re: Well, we survived the apocalypse... <snicker>
Post by: Delling on May 25, 2011, 05:30:56 AM
Quote from: Enchantermon on May 24, 2011, 07:17:44 PM
It's really an odd mess of taking verses out of context and twisting them to make them mean something they don't.

I think this happens in any context in which one accepts some sort of "holy scripture". :-\


Also, also...

"for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night." 1 Thess. 5:2...

All thieves in the night totes operate with some crackpot mountebank standing on the street corner going: "He's over there! An' 'e's comin' back at 6pm on May 21st!" 'cause that's how that happens. ;P ::)
Title: Re: Well, we survived the apocalypse... <snicker>
Post by: Haids1987 on May 25, 2011, 12:17:23 PM
Quote from: Delling on May 25, 2011, 05:30:56 AM
Quote from: Enchantermon on May 24, 2011, 07:17:44 PM
It's really an odd mess of taking verses out of context and twisting them to make them mean something they don't.
I think this happens in any context in which one accepts some sort of "holy scripture". :-\
Hmmm, I'm not sure what you mean, Delling.  Scripture was written by man who is "translating" God's word, so to speak, and has been interpreted by man, so there are many, many ways to accept or disbelieve them.  It's a personal choice, but the general idea is there.  I don't think that every Scripture is "twisted to mean something it doesn't," some are very easy to understand.  "Thou shalt not kill," for example, and "Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll" speak for themsevles. :P
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Post by: Baggins on May 25, 2011, 12:34:48 PM
Thall shalt not kill, technically more accurately translated as thall shalt not murder in the original Hebrew.

Thus the Hebrew could get away with self-defense/war (killing for survival), divinely mandated killing sacrifice/war (clear out those Canaanites, it your promised land).

But killing for greed/jealousy/lust/etc was far out! A complete ban on killing means 'victims' wouldn't be able to defend themselves, or they would have break God's other commands to wipe out cultures!



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Post by: snabbott on May 25, 2011, 12:42:52 PM
Quote from: Haids1987 on May 25, 2011, 12:17:23 PM
"Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll"
Mental image:
(http://mcgowanbarry.com/AtheistActivist/img/FlyingRoll.jpg)
Title: Re: Well, we survived the apocalypse... <snicker>
Post by: Delling on May 25, 2011, 02:07:54 PM
Quote from: Haids1987 on May 25, 2011, 12:17:23 PM
Quote from: Delling on May 25, 2011, 05:30:56 AM
Quote from: Enchantermon on May 24, 2011, 07:17:44 PM
It's really an odd mess of taking verses out of context and twisting them to make them mean something they don't.
I think this happens in any context in which one accepts some sort of "holy scripture". :-\
Hmmm, I'm not sure what you mean, Delling.  Scripture was written by man who is "translating" God's word, so to speak, and has been interpreted by man, so there are many, many ways to accept or disbelieve them.  It's a personal choice, but the general idea is there.  I don't think that every Scripture is "twisted to mean something it doesn't," some are very easy to understand.  "Thou shalt not kill," for example, and "Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll" speak for themsevles. :P

Believe me. I could quote off almost exactly the same beliefs regarding the Bible or Scripture as I went from kindergarten through twelfth grade in private Christian schools at my mother's insistence.

Capitalization is important in this case as is punctuation: I said

Quote"holy scripture"

not Holy Scripture, which given an Anglo-European background would almost certainly be taken to mean The Bible. But, by "holy scripture", I meant ANY text accepted religiously as real world fact potentially with predictive capability and historical accuracy. Taking statements from such a text out of context and distorting them to mean what one wants them to mean will then happen because people have surrendered their intellectual responsibility not just to the text but also to the interpreter (in fact, we have made a practice out of this: don't believe me? Shop around. You can find churches which are pro-gay, militantly anti-gay, pro-life, pro-choice, etc., and a great many of them will have a basis for their beliefs from the Bible, a basis founded in many cases in the sermons of their ministers).
Title: Re: Well, we survived the apocalypse... <snicker>
Post by: snabbott on May 25, 2011, 02:13:02 PM
This. Also, you'd be amazed how people can twist straightforward text to mean what they want it to mean. >:(
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Post by: Baggins on May 25, 2011, 02:51:46 PM
Quotenot Holy Scripture, which given an Anglo-European background would almost certainly be taken to mean The Bible. But, by "holy scripture",

'holy texts', probably a better choice of words! 'scripture' almost always has bibilical connitations.

QuoteThis. Also, you'd be amazed how people can twist straightforward text to mean what they want it to mean

Laws, rules, regulations, constitutions, loopholes, journalists, lawyers, politicians, governments, ad nauseum!

Take for example Geologists talk about the San Andreas fault is a right-lateral strike-slip fault causing half of California to move northwards  towards Alaska, and will ultimately separate from the North American continent during its path to the north. The Gulf of California is evidence of that part of california splitting away from the continent forming a linear sea. This is a process that takes thousands of years, and has already happened a few times in the distant past, such that exotic terrains from California have accreted to Alaska's southern coast! California is composed of quite a bit of granite (and similar rocks with high silica contents) which lighter than the denser basalstic ocean crust, and will continue to float above the mantle. Thus California over thousands of years of time will turn into an island, and thousands of years beyond that become part of Alaska!

A journalist will (and have) then sensationally write that as, "California is going to fall/sink into the sea caused by the Big One. Everyone will  drown in the sea."

Harold Camping  (and even the 2012 movie) were even playing on a highly sensationalistic view of geology, with lands falling into the sea, due to apocalyptic prophecy... When that's simply not how the science works!
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Post by: Haids1987 on May 25, 2011, 06:15:12 PM
Quote from: snabbott on May 25, 2011, 12:42:52 PM
Quote from: Haids1987 on May 25, 2011, 12:17:23 PM
"Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll"
Mental image:
(http://mcgowanbarry.com/AtheistActivist/img/FlyingRoll.jpg)
Exactly! :thumbsup:
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Post by: Baggins on May 27, 2011, 08:53:31 AM
When the roll is called up yonder...!
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Post by: Damar on May 29, 2011, 08:31:41 AM
Personally, I think this is all less of a religious thing and just more of the same conspiracy theory nonsense.  True, it has a religious bent to it, but it's the same need for secret, special information, the same need to be an underdog fighting the good fight in the face of a scoffing world, that fuels all conspiracy theorists.  It doesn't matter what reality says.  The rapture didn't happen, but that just means that the rapture was wrong.  The end of the world is still coming.  It's the same as with the people who are given clear, undeniable, proof that we landed on the moon yet still stay it happened on a sound stage.  Or the people who invoke Loose Change yet are shown incontrovertibly that they're clueless, that their science is flawed, and that their holy film was originally a work of fiction that was later claimed to be factual because the film-maker is a sociopath who wanted to be famous (the 9/11 truthers really piss me off, but that's another issue entirely).  Reality can smack these people in the face over and over again, but they have their belief and they refuse to see anything else.

This is just more of the same.  I will say, though, that Camping at least seems like someone who believes what he's selling as opposed to clear sociopaths like Benny Hinn who are just in it for the money.  Camping lives in a world of conspiracies and codes and that's where he'll continue to reside, even after October comes and goes without incident.
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Post by: Deloria on May 29, 2011, 02:13:46 PM
This is nothing new. :P There have been so many wrong Rapture dates before this one. :P Clearly, if it's going to happen, no one is going to know about it until it actually happens. :P If people had thrown themselves off roofs, as they had just before past Great Disappointments, it would be an entirely different matter, but it seems to have done very little harm other than make naive idiots waste their money. :P
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Post by: crayauchtin on May 29, 2011, 03:55:45 PM
I just wish we could get one, solid date for the end of the world that every expert could agree on. It would make it so much more convenient...

Because I'm supposed to be throwing a magnificent end of the world party, and I don't want to have to pay for the open bar or the catering the next day. :P
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Post by: Damar on May 29, 2011, 05:56:03 PM
Amen to that!  Ain't no party like a rapture party 'cuz a rapture party don't stop!

Well, except for the rapture.
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Post by: snabbott on May 31, 2011, 08:28:35 AM
Quote from: crayauchtin on May 29, 2011, 03:55:45 PM
I just wish we could get one, solid date for the end of the world that every expert could agree on. It would make it so much more convenient...

Because I'm supposed to be throwing a magnificent end of the world party, and I don't want to have to pay for the open bar or the catering the next day. :P
Kind of like The Restaurant at the End of the Universe?
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Post by: Baggins on June 01, 2011, 11:14:09 AM
Well when the Rapture comes, I just hope its not anything like in BioShock! I don't want to be killed by splicers!