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Title: Oldies?
Post by: InvertedSilence on May 04, 2004, 06:45:58 PM
So from what I hear they're not bringing back any music from any of the previous games. Kinda a bummer for me. I would've loved getting nostalgic listening to those tunes. Im hoping they'll at least maybe stick Cassima's theme somewhere in there. Loved that song...
Title: Re:Oldies?
Post by: Oldbushie on May 04, 2004, 06:50:49 PM
Welcome, InvertedSilence! :)

All our music is original, though it's still in progress and we don't know how much we'll actually use.
Title: Re:Oldies?
Post by: InvertedSilence on May 04, 2004, 07:07:38 PM
Yeah that was pretty much the impression I got from interviews and such. Will the new music possibly contain any altered versions of some original tunes? Or maybe some short musical "cameos" so to speak?
Title: Re:Oldies?
Post by: B'rrr on May 04, 2004, 10:03:45 PM
Welcome to this forum InvertedSilence!! ...appropiate name for this thread and this post ; )

too bad i can't help you.... just wanted to wish you a happy stay here... enjoy!! ; )
Title: Re:Oldies?
Post by: Say on May 04, 2004, 11:21:31 PM
Welcome to our forums InvertedSilence!

Title: Re:Oldies?
Post by: mfortunato on May 05, 2004, 05:53:53 PM
Welcome InvertedSilence!

Personally, I'd like to see Cassima and Rosella's themes from KQ6 and KQ4 (respectively) somewhere in the game.  Even if it's just a snippet.  I really thought they were very beautiful.
And, while the version of Rosella's theme for KQ9 that's listed doesn't give a good example of this, in the theme, I added just a hint of some of her theme from KQ4.  While I'm not the official composer, I wrote some "possible" music for the game (some of which is on this website).  I'm a huge fan of placing little snippets of past music into things - especially pieces that people will notice and make them smile as they remember playing those past games.

Heh, listen to me - going off as if I do this all the time.  I am no professional composer and one thing Cesar is VERY big on is professional sounding music.  So no matter what the music is, I'm sure it will be lush and fantastic!
Title: Re:Oldies?
Post by: InvertedSilence on May 05, 2004, 07:45:19 PM
Thanks for the welcome everybody!

Totally agree with ya there mfortunato. Exactly what im talking about.
Title: Re:Oldies?
Post by: Storm on May 10, 2004, 05:37:07 PM
Welcome to the forum, InvertedSilence!!  ;D


It would be great to hear bits from the old KQ themes in KQ9 :)
I think AGDI did something like that with the KQ2+ theme - it's original, but has a distinct King's Quest sound to it 8)
Title: Re:Oldies?
Post by: Spikey on May 13, 2004, 09:47:40 AM
I extracted KQ7's music resources last night and found various pieces not used in the final game. Some of those were really amazing! I think they could work in KQ9, recorded as high-quality digital files of course.

- Spike
Title: Re:Oldies?
Post by: Drunken Chinchilla on May 15, 2004, 04:40:32 PM
I extracted KQ7's music resources last night and found various pieces not used in the final game. Some of those were really amazing! I think they could work in KQ9, recorded as high-quality digital files of course.

- Spike

Interesting...makes me wonder sometimes when games have hidden extra features on them if the creators just ran out of time to fit it in. As far as them being used in KQ9 it's been said in the latest interview found in the inventory that all music will be original.
Title: Re:Oldies?
Post by: InvertedSilence on May 20, 2004, 06:47:45 PM
Interesting...makes me wonder sometimes when games have hidden extra features on them if the creators just ran out of time to fit it in.

Oh man you have no idea. The amount of hidden stuff that wasnt added into games is enormus. In fact, in the instance of legacy of kain, their second game (soul reaver) had an entire second half that was never finished, which was intended to end the series and if it had been the three games which followed it would never have been created. And one of the most brilliant storylines of all time would have been lost forever...
Title: Re:Oldies?
Post by: Jeysie on May 20, 2004, 07:04:03 PM
Hmm. With sound stuff, I can't help but think it's maybe more that they record the stuff then decide not to use it for whatever reason... but extracting the unused WAVs and/or MIDIs from the game files would be more trouble than it's worth.

I <3 going through sound files with GAP... you can almost always find at least a few WAVs that don't show up in the actual game. (And usually there's quite more than a few.)

Going through graphics and messages is also interesting, if you have the right tools. I've come across a bunch of things in several games that never showed up in the gameplay itself. It's fun to wonder "What might have been?"

Peace & Luv, Liz
Title: Re:Oldies?
Post by: B'rrr on May 20, 2004, 07:35:43 PM
inverted silence, I don't know if you know it already, but you could quote someone on this forum by using the quote button or use quoting tags.
Title: Re:Oldies?
Post by: InvertedSilence on May 21, 2004, 02:36:23 PM
Thanks b'rrr im jsut used to bolding quotes on other forums.
Title: Re:Oldies?
Post by: B'rrr on May 21, 2004, 03:12:04 PM
well, I know what you meant by quoting like that, so i don't mind if you keep doing. but is is easier to see what post you are referring to ; )
Title: Re:Oldies?
Post by: Louisiana Night on May 21, 2004, 06:42:11 PM
Anyone know if this sound is owned by Sierra? It's the death sound, from KQ. It was recorded it from the game.

death (http://users.ipa.net/~bobbyjoe/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/death.wav)

P.S. Assuming that it didn't come from a KQ game, and was made using a keyboard, software, virtual instrument, etc.
Title: Re:Oldies?
Post by: sivvrianBARRY on May 23, 2004, 11:53:32 AM
Well the first part of that is a very common theme, I don't really know where it is from but it is used in a lot of things (Undertaker's theme song in WWE comes to mind....yes I am a wrestling fan ;D), and the little thing at the end probably isn't enough to make it ownable by Sierra.
Title: Re:Oldies?
Post by: Jeysie on May 23, 2004, 12:00:31 PM
Hmm. Isn't the first part of that just the classic "funeral march"?

Peace & Luv, Liz
Title: Re:Oldies?
Post by: Drunken Chinchilla on May 23, 2004, 05:50:00 PM
yeah I doubt anyone could claim this tune was theirs (in terms of copyright laws etc) although I'm sure theres some composer who thought of the original motif....come to think of it I'm sure I used to know his name...
Title: Re:Oldies?
Post by: Louisiana Night on May 23, 2004, 06:26:41 PM
Thank you for your answers, now to make use of them.

*starts planning*
Title: Re:Oldies?
Post by: Spikey on May 27, 2004, 10:48:42 AM
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but extracting the unused WAVs and/or MIDIs from the game files would be more trouble than it's worth.
I do it with every Sierra game, and love KQ7's music (and am recording the soundtrack), so it's extremely worthwhile, and hardly any trouble. Extracting the MIDI's took a minute.

- Spike
Title: Re:Oldies?
Post by: Cez on June 03, 2004, 03:27:38 AM
We still may hear some of the best themes from past KQs. I know I've said we decided againts Cassima's theme, but it finally all depends to whoever does the music for this game.

One thing I'm sure of is that, contrary to past KQs, the music for this game is going to work more like the swiping score of a great film rather than just random collected music.

I'm not a big fan of the KQ epics either, and they definetely don't work too well with this game. But one thing do keep in mind, I won't be happy until the score produced moves to the last fiber of my soul, and I'll expect it to move yours as well.

Title: Re:Oldies?
Post by: Spikey on June 03, 2004, 07:58:27 AM
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One thing I'm sure of is that, contrary to past KQs, the music for this game is going to work more like the swiping score of a great film rather than just random collected music.

You've obviously never played King's Quest VI, then, or listened to its' music.

- Spike
Title: Re:Oldies?
Post by: Jeysie on June 03, 2004, 01:27:58 PM
Hee, I smell a debate coming on. ;) Spikey's definitely a Sierra music nut!

Coming from my admittedly non-savvy ears, I'd say that KQ6's "main theme" is Cassima's theme, at least in the sense that it's "motif" shows up in the most tunes in the game.

Peace & Luv, Liz
Title: Re:Oldies?
Post by: Drunken Chinchilla on June 06, 2004, 06:40:45 PM
The only music that sticks in my head from KQ 6 was the cheesy ballad that played at the end. Reminded me of dirty dancing rather than kings quest tbh  XD

Still I think the odd "old" motif here and there to rouse memory cells is never a bad thing, especially if its a perticularly nostalgic moment.
Title: Re:Oldies?
Post by: Jeysie on June 06, 2004, 09:21:32 PM
The only music that sticks in my head from KQ 6 was the cheesy ballad that played at the end. Reminded me of dirty dancing rather than kings quest tbh  XD

KQ6, Dirty Dancing style... hmm...

... ... I like that mental image. :D

Peace & Luv, Liz
Title: Re:Oldies?
Post by: Jeysie on June 08, 2004, 10:27:27 AM
Personally, Sierra soundtracks have always been just about the only game soundtracks I found memorable. There's only three non-Sierra adventure soundtracks that made an impression on me (Star Control 2, Planescape:Torment & The 7th Guest) but every Sierra game I've played with a soundtrack has had at least a good one, if not a great one. (GK2 might be the only exception.)

I think that KQ9 should use whatever style of music seems appropriate, but yeah, saying that Sierra's music wasn't up to par seems a bit odd to me as well.

Peace & Luv, Liz
Title: Re:Oldies?
Post by: Louisiana Night on June 08, 2004, 08:06:48 PM
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Oh, how I hope the average adventure game faithful doesn't think like this.

Spikey, I'm not much of an adventure game fan, so don't worry about that.

I think Sonic Adventure had good music. Despite the fact that I couldn't play the game, I downloaded the music as soon as it came out(in the US). That's probably because they had someone singing in it, the same reason I like Eyes on Me(if that's the correct name).

P.S. Before somone comments on that adventure fan statement. I like adventure games, but I also play action/RTS/FPS/RTSS/etc. I was just saying, that I'm not the "average" adventure game fan.
Title: Re:Oldies?
Post by: Kimmie on June 08, 2004, 09:24:23 PM
hi..non musical genius here!

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'girl in the tower'/cassima theme

funny story bout that...me and julie were sittin at the comp and i put the kq collectors edition cd in the drive  XD and i sat there waiting for it to load...but then out of nowhere this song i had never heard in my life started playing. now being me and julie we got freaked out and thought *something|* was tryin to contact us...after a minute or 2 i realised it was the cd but kept the mystery goin on coz julies face was priceless...turns out i had pressed the *cd* buttn o the discy drive thing and not *close drive*  ::) silly me. altho it was good and we play it occasionally and burst into song  XD oh the joy of simple ppl[/glow]
Title: Re:Oldies?
Post by: Louisiana Night on June 08, 2004, 09:38:44 PM
Anyone that has FF8 PC version, you can play disc 3(I think) like a music CD(Eyes on Me). Most of the people that own it probably know that though.

P.S. Only that one song will play, the others are in another format.
Title: Re:Oldies?
Post by: B'rrr on June 08, 2004, 11:04:38 PM
actually i didn't knew that, so i might try it out!! thnx ; )
Title: Re:Oldies?
Post by: Drunken Chinchilla on June 09, 2004, 08:35:01 AM
That's the song that plays in the space station right? I can't remember if I liked that one or not, I have a thing against vocal pieces coming out of nowhere in games...
Title: Re:Oldies?
Post by: Spikey on June 09, 2004, 08:55:43 AM
Keep in mind I didn't say I disliked FF's music, folks. :)
Anyone who actually owns a Roland MT-32 or Sound Canvas (like myself) will appreciate the scores much more than say, you guys who play with SB sound cards.
Besides, I have such a high opinion of Braymen as a composer. Uematsu is *amazing*, however his scores to me lack that game sentiment inherent in Chris Braymen's (and Rob Atesalp/Ken Allen/Aubrey Hodges/et al.) composings.

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I think Sonic Adventure had good music. Despite the fact that I couldn't play the game, I downloaded the music as soon as it came out(in the US). That's probably because they had somone singing in it, the same reason I like Eyes on Me(if that's the correct name).
Still haven't played the game, but I absolutely love the music. Some awesome tracks! Apart from Sierra, Sonic would be my second favourite game music. Some great stuff, there.

And I still feel that King's Quest (6 at least) feels like an interactive movie, and the musical score really makes you feel like you're part of said movie. Which was the intention of Ken Williams from the start.. KQ7 had another excellent 'movie-esque' style score.

Regards,
- Alistair
Title: Re:Oldies?
Post by: Louisiana Night on June 09, 2004, 01:52:59 PM
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That's the song that plays in the space station right?

Right.
Title: Re:Oldies?
Post by: Louisiana Night on June 10, 2004, 02:16:22 AM
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I think the KQ music was good for what it was made for. It was game music, it just needed to add to the mood. Scary scene in game, scary music.

I think Ceaser agrees with me, except for maybe the "good" part.

Deus Ex is the only game soundtrack that I have. I can't think of many more games, that have good soundtracks.
Title: Re:Oldies?
Post by: Louisiana Night on July 01, 2004, 10:48:19 PM
Thanks for the info.
Title: Re:Oldies?
Post by: Storm on July 07, 2004, 11:56:37 AM
Yeah, I've been wondering about that ;P