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Title: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: AdrianChm on October 28, 2012, 11:13:36 AM
Hi everyone,

One more time: LIGHT SPOILERS AHEAD.

No idea what to do atm:

a) I got the package from the post office, unpacked, etc.

b) Investigated the crime scene, read graffiti. I have the "ghost" of the victim hanging from the pipe, when I look at the eyes, Erica mentions the connection between the eyes and the graffiti. (BTW, possibly a bug: when I left the crime scene and went for the package to the post office, the ghost was no longer there when I went back and I cannot use "projection" power again; the only active element of the crime scene is just the graffiti).

The game has a hint system, nicely implemented, but - sadly - completely useless and apparently a bit buggy (e.g. mentions "recording of the tattoo", but I have already photographed it).

Help? :)
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: wilco64256 on October 28, 2012, 11:18:43 AM
I'm a bit curious how you got the game already as it has not been released yet.
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: AdrianChm on October 28, 2012, 11:21:18 AM
I suspected this was going to be the first reply to the thread... :)

Got it from GamersGate yesterday, lured in by the preorder bonuses. To my surprise, I could download the Episode One (around 2 GB) and the serial key was supplied.

Enjoying the game a lot. Well, except for the "I'm stuck" part :)
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: wilco64256 on October 28, 2012, 11:29:27 AM
No worries, I was just curious. Odd that they're already allowing people to download, but oh well.

Once you've read the grafffiti and examined the ghost, there's a new area you can interact with in the crime scene. Try pressing space to show the labels and see what the ghost was "looking" at.
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: AdrianChm on October 28, 2012, 11:48:43 AM
Ahh, thank you.

That part was a bit misleading. Not only the victim seems to be looking straight down (i.e. at the table or the soiled part of the floor nearby), but also  the niche is outside the regular view and that's why I didn't catch when I did this earlier myself: http://i.imgur.com/PMPia.jpg

Anyway, I can confirm the bug there. Previously, I have done everything in the crime scene except for opening the niche and then went out to try different things. E.g. I got the package from the post office. When I went back to the crime scene, I could not "re-assemble" three objects to produce the victim's ghost anymore, and the niche is NOT activated as an interactive object (just confirmed this from a later save).

I had an earlier save, so it's all good, but thought you might want to know. Also, very minor thing, but you can keep sending emails to the morgue lady even after you resolve the problem with her and the geek guy :)

Thanks again for the help!
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: Delling on October 28, 2012, 11:56:35 AM
Quote from: AdrianChm on October 28, 2012, 11:21:18 AM
I suspected this was going to be the first reply to the thread... :)

Got it from GamersGate yesterday, lured in by the preorder bonuses. To my surprise, I could download the Episode One (around 2 GB) and the serial key was supplied.

*cues everyone descending on GamersGate* :P
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: wilco64256 on October 28, 2012, 12:11:31 PM
What resolution are you playing the game at on your computer?
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: Paolo86 on October 28, 2012, 12:27:35 PM
I too am one of the obnoxiosly luck people who got this from gamersgate. (yoyu should check with them, I'm totally glad they forgot the game is coming out tuesday, but this is strange stuff to say the least) and I too am stuck. SPOILERS AHEAD!!!


I don't know how to make Robert stay put in order for Erica to touch him

Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: wilco64256 on October 28, 2012, 01:09:01 PM
Quote from: Paolo86 on October 28, 2012, 12:27:35 PM
I too am one of the obnoxiosly luck people who got this from gamersgate. (yoyu should check with them, I'm totally glad they forgot the game is coming out tuesday, but this is strange stuff to say the least) and I too am stuck. SPOILERS AHEAD!!!


I don't know how to make Robert stay put in order for Erica to touch him

Have you retrieved anything from his wife's grave? If not, you should go see what you can find there. If so, that item will help quite a bit.
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: Paolo86 on October 29, 2012, 06:48:03 AM
How could I ever forget checking there? By the way, despite some annoying bugs (crashes ramdomly during conversation sometimes), this game's freakin' awesome...
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: snabbott on October 29, 2012, 08:15:09 AM
Quote from: AdrianChm on October 28, 2012, 11:48:43 AM
outside the regular view
The view *should* change as you walk around.
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: Mike the Wino on October 30, 2012, 03:22:10 PM
Quote from: wilco64256 on October 28, 2012, 11:29:27 AM
Once you've read the grafffiti and examined the ghost, there's a new area you can interact with in the crime scene. Try pressing space to show the labels and see what the ghost was "looking" at.

I have examine the ghost, but I have only read the top line of the graffiti as that was all that was in the vision....is that all I will be able to see? If there is more, I need a nudge in the right direction as to how to see more. Point is, there doesn't appear to be a "new" area to look at yet. What am I missing?
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: wilco64256 on October 30, 2012, 03:23:35 PM
Quote from: Mike the Wino on October 30, 2012, 03:22:10 PM
Quote from: wilco64256 on October 28, 2012, 11:29:27 AM
Once you've read the grafffiti and examined the ghost, there's a new area you can interact with in the crime scene. Try pressing space to show the labels and see what the ghost was "looking" at.

I have examine the ghost, but I have only read the top line of the graffiti as that was all that was in the vision....is that all I will be able to see? If there is more, I need a nudge in the right direction as to how to see more. Point is, there doesn't appear to be a "new" area to look at yet. What am I missing?

You'll definitely need to see the rest of that message under the graffiti. Once you've interacted with it and Erica knows there's more to see there, her buddy Terence can be of some assistance.
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: Mike the Wino on October 30, 2012, 04:35:57 PM
Doh! Thanks, Wilco.

So, there are choices to be made throughout the game, such as who helps Erica with a specific task...Person "A" or Person "B". Does choosing one over the other change the course of the game or affect its outcome?
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: Cez on October 30, 2012, 04:39:17 PM
Yes, they will. You have been making choices in the game all along. They change how puzzles play out, who helps you and who doesn't, how difficult are some puzzles (try to take John's lighter if you don't cooperate with Rose, for example.), how cutscenes play (solve the wires puzzle vs not solving it), etc.
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: Mike the Wino on October 30, 2012, 04:58:32 PM
Like say....during an interrogation? A choice like that can affect the outcome of the game?

Oh, and is there a way to save more than 10 places? If, say, I make the "wrong" choice, or I'd like to go back (waaaay back) to make a different choice to maybe see a different outcome, I can't do that if I've overwritten the save just prior to making the original choice. I'm assuming 10 save slots is the maximum....I think for future games you might consider bumping that to 20, or unlimited... ;D
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: Cez on October 30, 2012, 05:02:08 PM
Are you playing on a MAC? I know at least the PC is unlimited for saves.

Your choices won't affect the final outcome of the game. They'll just provide a different experience for certain areas of the game.
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: wilco64256 on October 30, 2012, 05:06:42 PM
Quote from: Mike the Wino on October 30, 2012, 04:58:32 PM
Like say....during an interrogation? A choice like that can affect the outcome of the game?

Oh, and is there a way to save more than 10 places? If, say, I make the "wrong" choice, or I'd like to go back (waaaay back) to make a different choice to maybe see a different outcome, I can't do that if I've overwritten the save just prior to making the original choice. I'm assuming 10 save slots is the maximum....I think for future games you might consider bumping that to 20, or unlimited... ;D

I have over 80 saves on my Mac, once you break 10 it should just add a scrollbar to the window.
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: drusain on October 30, 2012, 05:59:40 PM
I have over 980 saves from testing. I don't know if it caps at 1000 yet but I think it's safe to say you're not ever going to run out of save room ;)
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: KatieHal on October 30, 2012, 07:58:49 PM
I think you need to make 20 more saves and find out :)
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: Mike the Wino on October 31, 2012, 12:11:13 PM
Quote from: wilco64256 on October 30, 2012, 05:06:42 PM
I have over 80 saves on my Mac, once you break 10 it should just add a scrollbar to the window.

I am such a putz....of course it keeps scrolling! I just didn't see the scroll bar so I started deleting save slots... ;]

(Posted on: October 31, 2012, 01:29:49 PM)


Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: ivanebel on November 02, 2012, 03:56:49 PM
Hey Phoenix Online team! Excellent job with this game.. I LOVE IT!!

You know, I'm kinda stuck.. but I don't really know if it's just me, or it's kinda of a bug.
Let me explain:

[spoiler]
I finally got the name and address of the guy who was hanged. I paid a visit there and checked on the computer. Once the PC prompts "Insert Memory Card", I clicked on EXIT (cause I don't have one :O).. but since that moment, I haven't been able to interact with the items on my inventory!! I mean, it displays the message that you can't do that when zooming or in scene areas. The thing is, I can't interact anywhere.. not on the map, nor on the FBI HQ.
Any hints?
[/spoiler]

By the way, I think I found some super minor bugs.. perhaps I can point you at them. Where should I post that info?

Thanks!!
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: wilco64256 on November 02, 2012, 06:44:41 PM
Might be a bit of bug funkiness. Zoom in and out of something else (the safe, the table, any closeup in any other scene) and that should set things back the way they belong.
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: smoothsailing on November 03, 2012, 08:47:56 AM
Quote from: AdrianChm on October 28, 2012, 11:48:43 AM

Anyway, I can confirm the bug there. Previously, I have done everything in the crime scene except for opening the niche and then went out to try different things. E.g. I got the package from the post office. When I went back to the crime scene, I could not "re-assemble" three objects to produce the victim's ghost anymore, and the niche is NOT activated as an interactive object (just confirmed this from a later save).

I had an earlier save, so it's all good, but thought you might want to know.

I can also confirm this - same thing happened to me, which brought me here  :) Thankfully I had an earlier save as well, but I was a bit puzzled and confused (especially not being able to use projection anymore at the crime scene).

I've been really enjoying the game so far - I think I enjoy it as much as when I played Gabriel Knight for the first time!
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: thain1982 on November 03, 2012, 11:22:09 AM
Definitely a bug here.  I had all the pieces, including the "Help" for looking at the graffiti, but didn't know I could hit space to highlight interactive items, so I left.  When I came back, I couldn't get the ghost to appear again, and there's no niche for me to select.  Should have saved more often.
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: ivanebel on November 03, 2012, 11:23:01 AM
Quote from: wilco64256 on November 02, 2012, 06:44:41 PM
Might be a bit of bug funkiness. Zoom in and out of something else (the safe, the table, any closeup in any other scene) and that should set things back the way they belong.

I forgot to respond :P

Well, yeah.. what I actually did, as zooming in/out didn't do the trick, was reload a case prior to finishing the interrogation with Robert.

Already beat the game!! Excellent, excellent job guys!! Looking forward to the next episode!
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: marcink on November 05, 2012, 05:06:19 AM
Hi,
   I'm also stuck [spoiler]in Longman's appartment. I'm after interrogation, I've got key and photos, but I can't "use" thos photo's pieces on anything. I can't zoom on them - each time I get an answer that if I want to zoom on something I have to first exit any close up scene. I don't know where to find a memory card or safe combination[/spoiler].

I would be greatfull for any help :)
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: HitBattousai on November 05, 2012, 06:27:42 AM
Quote from: marcink on November 05, 2012, 05:06:19 AM
Hi,
   I'm also stuck [spoiler]in Longman's appartment. I'm after interrogation, I've got key and photos, but I can't "use" thos photo's pieces on anything. I can't zoom on them - each time I get an answer that if I want to zoom on something I have to first exit any close up scene. I don't know where to find a memory card or safe combination[/spoiler].

I would be greatfull for any help :)

[spoiler]Without giving too much away, I can tell you that you don't technically need to use the photos from the post office on anything, but if you investigate them closely in your inventory, you will discover something useful as it relates to the safe.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: marcink on November 05, 2012, 08:55:53 AM
But how?
When I use "eye" on them I get" these look like pieces of the same picture. Who is this person.
When I use "hand" I get: Tutorial: when zoomed in on inventory items or scene areas, you must exit this view before zooming in on another item - and I'm not zoomed on a scene or any inventory item :/
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: wilco64256 on November 05, 2012, 09:39:11 AM
Quote from: marcink on November 05, 2012, 08:55:53 AM
But how?
When I use "eye" on them I get" these look like pieces of the same picture. Who is this person.
When I use "hand" I get: Tutorial: when zoomed in on inventory items or scene areas, you must exit this view before zooming in on another item - and I'm not zoomed on a scene or any inventory item :/

Attach your most recent save here so I can take a look, trying to figure out how people are getting that to bug out. The paths for saved game locations are:

XP:

C:\Documents and Settings\(Username)\Local Settings\Application Data\Phoenix Online Studios\Cognition _ Episode 1

Vista/Win7:

C:\Users\(Username)\AppData\LocalLow\Phoenix Online Studios\Cognition _ Episode 1

You'll need to remove any spaces in the name of the saved game when you attach it.
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: marcink on November 05, 2012, 09:49:59 AM
Ok - Thanks. Attached. I'm playing on Windows 8

Can anyone tell me the code to the safe so I can finish the episode ? :) unless the photos are needed for something more - than I'll wait :)
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: wilco64256 on November 05, 2012, 09:56:38 AM
Yeah you definitely need to be able to get into closeups of inventory items to finish the game. Drop this save into that folder and load it and you should be good to go.
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: marcink on November 05, 2012, 10:18:14 AM
Thaks - I'm playing as I speak... I mean type :) Great, great game.

Edit:
I have one more item than I had in my save - where the last la pondu piece came from? (the hangman)
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: LordBT on November 07, 2012, 10:08:03 AM
Quote from: marcink on November 05, 2012, 08:55:53 AM
But how?
When I use "eye" on them I get" these look like pieces of the same picture. Who is this person.
When I use "hand" I get: Tutorial: when zoomed in on inventory items or scene areas, you must exit this view before zooming in on another item - and I'm not zoomed on a scene or any inventory item :/
Same problem here. Also ran into this with the scanner/projector while at the crime scene.
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: wilco64256 on November 07, 2012, 10:09:15 AM
Quote from: LordBT on November 07, 2012, 10:08:03 AM
Quote from: marcink on November 05, 2012, 08:55:53 AM
But how?
When I use "eye" on them I get" these look like pieces of the same picture. Who is this person.
When I use "hand" I get: Tutorial: when zoomed in on inventory items or scene areas, you must exit this view before zooming in on another item - and I'm not zoomed on a scene or any inventory item :/
Same problem here. Also ran into this with the scanner/projector while at the crime scene.

Attach your more recent save and I can fix it for you, thanks!
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: ivanebel on November 07, 2012, 10:12:06 AM
Quote from: LordBT on November 07, 2012, 10:08:03 AM
Quote from: marcink on November 05, 2012, 08:55:53 AM
But how?
When I use "eye" on them I get" these look like pieces of the same picture. Who is this person.
When I use "hand" I get: Tutorial: when zoomed in on inventory items or scene areas, you must exit this view before zooming in on another item - and I'm not zoomed on a scene or any inventory item :/
Same problem here. Also ran into this with the scanner/projector while at the crime scene.

It happened twice to me, near the end of the game. Then I tried to recreate the problem and it kinda worked.
It seems to take place when you skip conversations (perhaps, too quickly) when in Zoomed mode or in a particular scene (with the EXIT button active).
In my specific case, it happened when finished interrogating Robert. I was talking to John (the EXIT button is active) and I accidentally skipped the whole scene.. and the EXIT button didn't dissappear for a while. After that, I wasn't able to use any objects.
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: LordBT on November 07, 2012, 10:56:40 AM
Quote from: wilco64256 on November 07, 2012, 10:09:15 AM
Attach your more recent save and I can fix it for you, thanks!
Here is the savegame. Had to rename it from 007_Longmore's Apartment to be able to upload.
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: wilco64256 on November 07, 2012, 11:14:39 AM
Here you go!
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: LordBT on November 08, 2012, 03:33:47 PM
Quote from: wilco64256 on November 07, 2012, 11:14:39 AM
Here you go!
Thanks!
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: wilco64256 on November 08, 2012, 03:40:00 PM
Anybody have any more info on when they started running into this oddity of not being able to zoom into objects? I've been trying for days to replicate this one, tried what ivanebel described, had my entire testing team take a swing at it, and no luck at all yet. I don't mind fixing saves but I'd much rather just fix the game for you guys!
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: LordBT on November 11, 2012, 07:31:36 AM
Quote from: wilco64256 on November 08, 2012, 03:40:00 PM
Anybody have any more info on when they started running into this oddity of not being able to zoom into objects? I've been trying for days to replicate this one, tried what ivanebel described, had my entire testing team take a swing at it, and no luck at all yet. I don't mind fixing saves but I'd much rather just fix the game for you guys!
The first time it happened to me was when I tried using the scanner at the crime scene.
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: angband on November 11, 2012, 09:25:14 AM
Hi there :) I've been enjoying the game for a few hours now, but, sadly, ran into the niche bug. At the crime scene I can't use the cognition skills to make the projection appear anymore and the secret niche item doesn't pop up, so I am stuck at a dead end. And: I don't have a savegame :(

Would anybody be so nice to attach a savegame file of a moment shortly before this scene?
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: LordBT on November 11, 2012, 11:37:02 AM
Quote from: angband on November 11, 2012, 09:25:14 AM
Hi there :) I've been enjoying the game for a few hours now, but, sadly, ran into the niche bug. At the crime scene I can't use the cognition skills to make the projection appear anymore and the secret niche item doesn't pop up, so I am stuck at a dead end. And: I don't have a savegame :(

Would anybody be so nice to attach a savegame file of a moment shortly before this scene?
Try this one.
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: angband on November 11, 2012, 12:34:13 PM
Perfect! Thank you!
:)
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: pottedmeat on December 11, 2012, 08:41:15 PM
Also having problems zooming. Uploading my save file.

If I remember correctly, I zoomed in on something and wasn't able to zoom out. I figured out some way to get around it and to the save screen, where I saved my game, quit the program, then loaded it to continue.
Title: Re: Stuck in the middle of Episode 1. Light spoilers!
Post by: wilco64256 on December 14, 2012, 01:38:42 PM
Quote from: pottedmeat on December 11, 2012, 08:41:15 PM
Also having problems zooming. Uploading my save file.

If I remember correctly, I zoomed in on something and wasn't able to zoom out. I figured out some way to get around it and to the save screen, where I saved my game, quit the program, then loaded it to continue.

Sorry, somehow I missed seeing this post. Load this save up and you should be good to go.