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Title: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: Neonivek on March 05, 2013, 07:45:02 PM
So I ask this every once and a while because this is a question that has kinda driven me crazy for a long time but I never really got a satisfying answer so I'll ask you to come up with the answers!

Sleeping Beauty is a movie made by Disney where the main characters are not the prince or princess but rather three Fairies.

Upon her birth the three Fairies give onto her each a special gift. Flaura gives her the gift if beauty and Fauna gives her the gift of song.

Merryweather is about to bestow upon her a gift when Malefacent, the coolest disney villain of all time, breaks in and curses Aurora to die. So Merryweather instead changes her gift to save the Princess.

Yet the question remains: What the world was Merryweather originally going to gift?

We have Beauty and Song, what else does a disney princess need?

Grace? was it going to be grace? my vote is on grace, though Aurora clearly didn't need it.
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: Jafar on March 05, 2013, 07:49:59 PM
A personality? :P
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: GrahamRocks! on March 05, 2013, 07:51:42 PM
Kindness or Compassion would have been a nice gift. Then again, she exhibits that already.
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: Neonivek on March 05, 2013, 08:03:48 PM
Honestly Disney Princesses are so generic sometimes I'd love a parody where someone stops the Fairy Godmothers from passing on their gifts...

16 years later and Aurora is... exactly the same.
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: GrahamRocks! on March 05, 2013, 08:28:58 PM
They've gotten better over the years though.
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: Neonivek on March 05, 2013, 09:40:06 PM
They've gotten better over the years though.

What disney Princess isn't the most beautiful and best singing female?

Heck Mulan absolutely made SURE that any woman who wasn't Mulan or her mother was UGLY or chubby or just clearly not in Mulan's league.

Which is what I sort of see with the "best friend" characters in Disney Princess movies. They always have a somewhat plump face, not fat... but just enough that they are more average then beautiful. To the point where the most beautiful side characters in a princess movie was Pocahontas' best friend.
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: Lambonius on March 05, 2013, 10:20:45 PM
Pocahontas had a much nicer rack though.
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: Neonivek on March 05, 2013, 10:31:05 PM
Pocahontas had a much nicer rack though.

Ohh don't get me wrong, Pocahontas is clearly better looking then her.

But when your only competition for being a better looking side character are the Blond Triplets from Beauty and the Beast... yeah. Clearly there is no "Getting better"
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: Lambonius on March 05, 2013, 10:41:59 PM
Pocahontas had a much nicer rack though.

Ohh don't get me wrong, Pocahontas is clearly better looking then her.

But when your only competition for being a better looking side character are the Blond Triplets from Beauty and the Beast... yeah. Clearly there is no "Getting better"

Hey, those blond triplets could really fill out a corset.  Gaston could have totally gotten some 3-on-1 action from them.
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: Neonivek on March 05, 2013, 11:02:38 PM
So what do you think the gift was Lambonius?
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: stika on March 06, 2013, 02:45:56 AM
A personality? :P
I'm going with this answer, seems the most fitting :P
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: Deloria on March 06, 2013, 05:41:32 AM
A personality? :P
And just like that, you win the internet. :D
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: KatieHal on March 06, 2013, 08:33:31 AM
Don't get too crass, guys.

I like the take Fables has on Sleeping Beauty's many gifts--they are completely literal. So when she's given the gift of "singing like a bird"...she literally sings like a bird. She tweets. Great for birds, not so much for humans!
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: Neonivek on March 06, 2013, 08:53:45 AM
Besides the reason Aurora doesn't have too much of a personality is simple

She isn't the main character of Sleeping Beauty her Fairy Godmothers are.
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: Lambonius on March 06, 2013, 10:24:48 AM
So what do you think the gift was Lambonius?

Entrepreneurial spirit.
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: Balinaeri on March 06, 2013, 10:51:50 AM
Honestly Disney Princesses are so generic sometimes I'd love a parody where someone stops the Fairy Godmothers from passing on their gifts...

16 years later and Aurora is... exactly the same.

It's not just the princesses that are generic, but often the plot lines. At the risk of hijacking your thread:

What Disney Movie Is This?

The story (plot points are mostly in order):
 
·         In the beginning, animals nearby come to see the birth of the prince
·         Early on, the prince goes to an interesting new place, that's very dangerous.  A female friend is with him.  This female friend is a little more graceful than the prince.  When the danger appears, he's saved from the danger and the enemy by his father.
·         The enemy in the story tries again, and this time is more successful, killing one of the prince's parents.
·         The prince has two good friends, one who's a bit silly and sarcastic, and the other who has, shall we say "aroma" problems.
·         When he's older, the prince meets the female again, who’s still more graceful than he is.   He falls for her upon seeing her again.
·         The prince faces the enemy again, this time with the other parent and his new girlfriend close by.  This time he is wounded, but survives.  The climax occurs during a fire and the fire adds to the danger of the battle between the prince and the enemy.
·         The story ends with the all the nearby animals again returning to witness the birth of a new generation as the prince watches on.

I actually wrote this elsewhere a long time ago. It came to me while watching Disney movies with my then two year old, and she's now nine.
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: snabbott on March 06, 2013, 10:57:51 AM
Sounds like The Lion King, though I'm not sure about some of the details.

Also, I love your signature! ;D I just noticed it. It reminds me of one a friend had a while back:
"I want to move to theory. Everything works in theory." :P
...which leads me here (http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?QuotesOnTheoryVsPractice)
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: GrahamRocks! on March 06, 2013, 10:59:48 AM
Bambi!
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: Balinaeri on March 06, 2013, 11:04:39 AM
Sounds like The Lion King, though I'm not sure about some of the details.

Also, I love your signature! ;D I just noticed it. It reminds me of one a friend had a while back:
"I want to move to theory. Everything works in theory." :P
...which leads me here (http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?QuotesOnTheoryVsPractice)

Bambi!

Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! We have the winners already. Yep. Both.

And thanks for that on my sig. I've used it off and on in various places on the internet for years.
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: snabbott on March 06, 2013, 11:20:29 AM
Right - how could I forget Bambi?! It's been too long since I've seen that.
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: KatieHal on March 06, 2013, 11:25:16 AM
I realized while reading it could be either Bambi or The Lion King. :) I think the only thing setting them apart is the female friend being more graceful than he is--in Lion King, she's a little more of a badass than him instead ;)
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: Balinaeri on March 06, 2013, 11:34:37 AM
Katie, then you're just the badass for figuring it out. :) I think you're the first person who's ever heard/read it, who has.

Still, maybe I can rephrase that line so that it fits both movies better. Maybe graceful isn't the perfect description there. I'll think on it.
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: stika on March 06, 2013, 12:32:54 PM
I never liked Bambi... am I a bad person?
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: GrahamRocks! on March 06, 2013, 12:42:07 PM
No, you're not.
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: Blackthorne on March 06, 2013, 03:09:37 PM
The third gift was intelligence, of course.  Which she absolutely lacked during the entirety of the film.


Bt
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: Delling on March 06, 2013, 03:27:05 PM
The third gift was intelligence, of course.  Which she absolutely lacked during the entirety of the film.


Bt

I was going to say "personality" on similar grounds. :P
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: Neonivek on March 06, 2013, 07:11:43 PM
The third gift was intelligence, of course.  Which she absolutely lacked during the entirety of the film.


Bt

I thought of that but what use does a princess have with intelligence?

She cannot rule, she cannot hold council, and she has no say in any decision.
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: GrahamRocks! on March 06, 2013, 07:33:11 PM
True. Her parents are still alive, as are Philip's I assume. So, until (or if) she becomes Queen, she has no need for that.
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: Blackthorne on March 07, 2013, 05:49:09 AM
The third gift was intelligence, of course.  Which she absolutely lacked during the entirety of the film.


Bt

I thought of that but what use does a princess have with intelligence?

She cannot rule, she cannot hold council, and she has no say in any decision.

She'd have the pride of wisdom and knowledge.  Intelligence is its own reward.


Bt
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: Lambonius on March 07, 2013, 06:36:48 AM

She'd have the pride of wisdom and knowledge.  Intelligence is its own reward.


Bt

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Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: snabbott on March 07, 2013, 07:06:06 AM
She'd have the pride of wisdom and knowledge.  Intelligence is its own reward.


Bt
:thumbsup:
Though it should be noted that intelligence ≠ wisdom.
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: Blackthorne on March 07, 2013, 09:35:35 AM
She'd have the pride of wisdom and knowledge.  Intelligence is its own reward.


Bt
:thumbsup:
Though it should be noted that intelligence ≠ wisdom.

Very, VERY true.

Bt
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: Delling on March 07, 2013, 09:54:49 AM
She'd have the pride of wisdom and knowledge.  Intelligence is its own reward.


Bt
:thumbsup:
Though it should be noted that intelligence ≠ wisdom.

Very, VERY true.

Bt
I concur: I'm a very intelligent fool. :P  :crazydude:
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: darthkiwi on March 07, 2013, 10:56:13 AM
She'd have the pride of wisdom and knowledge.  Intelligence is its own reward.


Bt
:thumbsup:
Though it should be noted that intelligence ≠ wisdom.
This is a D&D injoke, isn't it? XD
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: Delling on March 07, 2013, 11:05:28 AM
She'd have the pride of wisdom and knowledge.  Intelligence is its own reward.


Bt
:thumbsup:
Though it should be noted that intelligence ≠ wisdom.
This is a D&D injoke, isn't it? XD
Not really. Wisdom is culturally constructed as being different from intelligence. Wisdom deals more with discernment, decision making, etc. Intelligence with general knowledge, learning, etc.


EDIT: though with that said, WIS is often a dump stat and INT has more uses across builds, especially if your character is skill heavy.
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: LadyTerra on March 07, 2013, 06:30:44 PM
Oooh!  I know!  Military prestige and tactical knowledge to finally once and for all defeat the blasted French!

That's what you get for saying I can't make Bouliabase!
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: KatieHal on March 07, 2013, 06:37:50 PM
ROFL.

Now THAT is a version of the fairy tale I would pay to see!
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: Neonivek on March 07, 2013, 10:42:51 PM
ROFL.

Now THAT is a version of the fairy tale I would pay to see!

Merryweather: "And my gift is the gift of military conquest. May all your enemies bow before you dear Aurora."
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: darthkiwi on March 09, 2013, 09:39:52 AM
Quote
Not really. Wisdom is culturally constructed as being different from intelligence. Wisdom deals more with discernment, decision making, etc. Intelligence with general knowledge, learning, etc.


EDIT: though with that said, WIS is often a dump stat and INT has more uses across builds, especially if your character is skill heavy.

I just remember playing Planescape: Torment and weighing up whether I should become wiser or more intelligent. :P I think one allowed me to be a better spellcaster, while the other allowed me to have more interesting conversations... XD

Merryweather: "To you I give the ability to defy gender stereotypes!"
Malefacent: "Not so fast, I cannot allow this!"

And thus we got another damsel movie. ;)
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: Blackthorne on March 09, 2013, 01:10:00 PM
Who knows.  It could have gotten interesting, and she could have been given the gift of flight.

"Ah.  Look at that.  Flyin' Princess."

"Yurp."

"Let's go kill some frogs."

"Yurp."




Bt
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: Damar on March 26, 2013, 03:39:27 PM
Well, it seems to me that the gifts of the fairies match up to their names.  Flora, which refers to plants, gives the gift of beauty.  Lips that shade the red rose and walking in springtime wherever she goes and whatnot.  Fauna, which refers to animals, gives the gift of song.  So you've got a reference to singing birds.  So we can infer the gift from the fairy's name.

Merryweather probably would have given the gift of a sunny, un-turbulant nature.  Which Aurora seemed to have anyway.  Unless she was a raging *fill-in-your-own-blank-here* off camera.

I've given this entirely too much thought.
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: Lambonius on April 02, 2013, 08:07:41 PM
Well, it seems to me that the gifts of the fairies match up to their names.  Flora, which refers to plants, gives the gift of beauty.  Lips that shade the red rose and walking in springtime wherever she goes and whatnot.  Fauna, which refers to animals, gives the gift of song.  So you've got a reference to singing birds.  So we can infer the gift from the fairy's name.

Merryweather probably would have given the gift of a sunny, un-turbulant nature.  Which Aurora seemed to have anyway.  Unless she was a raging *fill-in-your-own-blank-here* off camera.

I've given this entirely too much thought.

Ha!  That is actually a really solid analysis.  Never thought of it that way.  Kudos, Sir.
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: GrahamRocks! on April 02, 2013, 08:16:53 PM
Fridge Brilliance!
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: snabbott on April 03, 2013, 07:33:14 AM
Ha!  That is actually a really solid analysis.  Never thought of it that way.  Kudos, Sir.
I would expect nothing less from Damar. :bow:
Title: Re: Sleeping Beauty: What was Merryweather's Gift?
Post by: Numbers on April 03, 2013, 01:17:28 PM
Merryweather was about to bestow the gift of gab, but it wouldn't have done much good.