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Title: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: snabbott on July 01, 2013, 12:11:12 PM
- Going to play some more QFG5 today. I'm enjoying it thus far! :)
Did you play 1 - 4 already? If so, how did you like them?
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: GrahamRocks! on July 01, 2013, 02:05:34 PM
Yes, I did actually! I liked all of them! I bought them on GOG.

I think 3 and 4 are my favorites so far.

I'm currently doing a pure Magic User/Wizard file, named after the same Magic User/eventual Wizard in my Quest for Glory fanfic named Finn Dillon. 

Unfortunately, I do tend to do a LOT of grinding when I'm a Magic User as I want all my Spells to be at peak proficiency. And I grind EVERY. SINGLE. ONE! Even ones that I know won't be appearing in the next game such as Glide in 4, which is gone by 5 (which is a shame! I'm just imagining a situation when Finn could freeze the water with Frostbite and then use Glide and go ice skating!). If I didn't do that, then I'm sure that these games would be going a LOT faster!

Also, I still haven't been able to get the max score.

Let's see...

Spielburg: 60 days.

Shapier: 29 (of course, due to the time limit. This was also the only game I didn't )

Tarna: 86

Mordavia: 114!

Ironically, my first QFG game was actually the QFG2 remake by AGDI. I actually started as a Magic User there too, and I can remember getting so hopelessly lost on that first day that by the time I'd gotten back to the Gate Plaza it was Midnight and the Inn was closed. I think I slept outside that night. Soon after realizing that I was terrible at combat in this game, I restarted as a Fighter.

Due to me playing the series now, I haven't touched that file for awhile.

Speaking of QFG2, I also remember the one time I actually got a bit of a fright in the original. It was around the middle of the night, and I needed the Bellows to trap the Air Elemental. I knew that there was no possible way I could defeat Issur in arm wrestling (since I'm a Mage and physical stuff is not my thing), so decided to steal it instead. I Levitated up and grabbed it quickly... and then a Shapierian Guard just so happened to walk by and notice me! Surprisingly, I didn't get arrested, but he did tell me to not use Magic in the Plazas IIRC.

Also, I think someone needs to go onto the Quest for Glory Omnipedia and fix the Ritual of Release article. Why? Because they said that it cannot be trained at all. I say to them, HA! Then what do you consider THIS to be then?! https://www.facebook.com/taylor.martin.5201254#!/photo.php?fbid=10200904830215886&set=a.10200629274087155.1073741825.1619120538&type=1&theater

Actually, the only thing I'm not liking about the game so far is how fast the clock moves in Silmaria! I could just be standing or walking around and all of a sudden 5-10 maybe even 20 minutes have passed already! Is there any way to slow down the clock so I don't feel so rushed all the time? Also, I'm typing this while in the Dead Parrot Inn, and I just want to say: I love the soundtrack already! Heck, I like the majority of the voice acting too.
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: snabbott on July 02, 2013, 10:04:57 AM
Glad you're enjoying them! When I originally played, I was a fighter with magic skills. By 2 or 3, the game changed my character to a magic user.
Speaking of QFG2, I also remember the one time I actually got a bit of a fright in the original. It was around the middle of the night, and I needed the Bellows to trap the Air Elemental. I knew that there was no possible way I could defeat Issur in arm wrestling (since I'm a Mage and physical stuff is not my thing), so decided to steal it instead. I Levitated up and grabbed it quickly... and then a Shapierian Guard just so happened to walk by and notice me! Surprisingly, I didn't get arrested, but he did tell me to not use Magic in the Plazas IIRC.
The Fetch spell works, too.

Also, I think someone needs to go onto the Quest for Glory Omnipedia and fix the Ritual of Release article. Why? Because they said that it cannot be trained at all. I say to them, HA! Then what do you consider THIS to be then?! https://www.facebook.com/taylor.martin.5201254#!/photo.php?fbid=10200904830215886&set=a.10200629274087155.1073741825.1619120538&type=1&theater
I can't get to that picture.
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: GrahamRocks! on July 02, 2013, 10:45:44 AM
Oh, I didn't think to use Fetch. As for the picture, it was a picture of my Spells screen from 4 with the text box that shows what kind of Spell I'm looking at and what power it is. QFGO said that Ritual of Release couldn't be trained... and yet I got it up to 400 which is the max anyway!

Also, Frostbite is AMAZING in 5! And holy crap, my Flame Darts are HUGE in this game! Certainly a step up from QFG1 where they were so tiny.
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: snabbott on July 02, 2013, 10:48:48 AM
Oh, I didn't think to use Fetch.
I don't think I ever thought to use levitate. :P
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: Cathenah19 on July 02, 2013, 11:29:12 AM
I always used the calm spell after telling him about the air elemental and Ishur just handed the bellows over without any problems.

That's one thing I love about QFG. There are so many ways to solve problems, even in the same class.

Right now, I'm still working on finishing up QFG4. I've been sent out by Katrina to go find the remaining ritual. I already have them, so I'm just killing time and grinding up my skill a little because I don't think I will be able to once I bring the rituals back.

Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: snabbott on July 03, 2013, 09:17:44 AM
Interesting - I definitely never thought about using Calm. I like when there are multiple ways to solve a puzzle. :)
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: GrahamRocks! on July 03, 2013, 10:56:51 AM
Woo hoo!! I just beat two Goons with my bare hands! And I'm a Mage, for Erana's sake!

Also, woo hoo! Quest for Glory Thread!!
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: Numbers on July 03, 2013, 06:12:11 PM
(http://geekmecca.com/wp-content/plugins/RSSPoster_PRO/cache/cb1e3_qfg_13.jpg)
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: GrahamRocks! on July 03, 2013, 06:32:56 PM
*facepalm* I'm still wondering why they couldn't just make their own locations and sprites instead of copying backgrounds and characters from other Sierra games.

Yes, it would take more time, but it would be worth it.
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: Deloria on July 04, 2013, 06:56:56 AM
There's nothing wrong with nostalgia. :P I don't think that was that game's biggest issue either. >.<
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: GrahamRocks! on July 04, 2013, 09:12:36 AM
True. And at least it was funnier than... that LSL ripoff that I shall not speak the name of.
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: stika on July 04, 2013, 10:23:48 AM
yet another series I've barely touched. I really need to buy more stuff on GOG :P
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: Bludshot on July 05, 2013, 09:12:18 AM
There's nothing wrong with nostalgia. :P I don't think that was that game's biggest issue either. >.<

Haha what is that game?
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: GrahamRocks! on July 05, 2013, 09:35:45 AM
That would be a fan game called Quest for Glory 4 1/2. It's supposed to be a parody of the first game, but from what I've heard from my colleagues at QFMG, it's horribly sickening and not really all that funny. They hate that game there so much, that it is forbidden to even speak of it on the forums there.

It's that bad!

The only people I know who apparently liked it were the folks at Infamous Adventures.
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: Numbers on July 05, 2013, 02:28:54 PM
Haha, those tasteless jerks! It sure is a good thing none of them frequent this forum...  :ninja:
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: GrahamRocks! on July 05, 2013, 02:39:50 PM
Quest for More Glory or Infamous Adventures?
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: Numbers on July 05, 2013, 02:48:18 PM
Infamous Adventures. I've never actually been to the QFMG site.
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: Neonivek on July 05, 2013, 03:20:20 PM
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"I think 3 and 4 are my favorites so far

Well it is easy to see why. They are the ones that had the perfected formula.

With 5 being a very unfortunate departure and another game that "Went to 3d too early and ended up with an ugly game where the previous games looked very nice"... Like Gabriel Knight 3 or Monkey Island 4.

Honestly if the creators of 4 made the plains less of a maze by making each screen look different, however slightly, it would probably be unquestionably the best in the series.

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That's one thing I love about QFG. There are so many ways to solve problems, even in the same


I like the fact that magic wasn't just an offensive bag of tricks. In fact the vast majority of the spells are there for utility with some crossing over to attack spells

It honestly made magic a lot more alive for me then in any other game in existence where magic is just: Lightning bolt, fireball, magic missile, hurt people spell, killing spell... This magic actually felt like magic and not just the power of killing.
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: GrahamRocks! on July 05, 2013, 04:45:28 PM
Well, as I said, I'm enjoying 5 quite a bit! I actually don't think the 3d looks all that bad. Heck, the only thing I don't like is some of the talking portraits look kinda odd. But the islands are beautiful, and I've actually had to stay light on my feet with the combat system. Frostbite may be a Game Breaker, but it still costs Mana and doesn't last forever. There's been a few times where I've been in a fight, and I was out of Mana, so I had to kill a bunch'a Goons with only my dagger or my bare hands.

It's difficult for me, being a Wizard with an AC of 5, but it is possible to do.

By the way, I'm intending to make it through the Dragon Fight with no deaths. How would I go about doing so?

Right now, I'm just grinding up money. I'm hoping to get 24,000 Drachmas so I can buy 100 Vitality, Mana and Health potions so I won't have to worry about it later on. I haven't even started the Rites yet! Also, I'm training Swimming because I can.
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: Numbers on July 05, 2013, 05:12:22 PM
First of all, QfG4 is unquestionably the best of the series. Ask anyone.

Second of all, QfG5 is still rather fun, despite its flaws, and there are plenty of worse franchise finales out there.

Finally, QfG3 is not that great. I've played all of the games in the series, and 3 is easily the dullest. 1, 2, 4 and to a lesser extent 5 all managed to keep my attention. Not 3. It's completely irrelevant filler. That's all it is. I got bored halfway through the game and gave up on it for almost a year before coming back to finish it. Right now, I'm playing through the series in order and once again, my playthrough came to a screeching halt with 3. I'm skipping it and moving onto 4. If there's any game in the series that doesn't deserve to exist, it's 3.
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: GrahamRocks! on July 05, 2013, 05:26:25 PM
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First of all, QfG4 is unquestionably the best of the series. Ask anyone
Oh, I'm not denying that fact. I agree, but I like 5 as well!

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Second of all, QfG5 is still rather fun, despite its flaws, and there are plenty of worse franchise finales out there.

*cough* Box Office Bust *cough*

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Finally, QfG3 is not that great. I've played all of the games in the series, and 3 is easily the dullest. 1, 2, 4 and to a lesser extent 5 all managed to keep my attention. Not 3. It's completely irrelevant filler. That's all it is. I got bored halfway through the game and gave up on it for almost a year before coming back to finish it. Right now, I'm playing through the series in order and once again, my playthrough came to a screeching halt with 3. I'm skipping it and moving onto 4. If there's any game in the series that doesn't deserve to exist, it's 3.

Yeah, it seems that's everyone's opinion on 3 except mine. Although, most of the time it's "OMG! TOO MUCH TALKING! BLARGH!" and yet, I had the exact opposite reaction.

I actually like talking to NPCs in these games. Gives the world some depth. Heck, I liked it in The Silver Lining as well.

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I like the fact that magic wasn't just an offensive bag of tricks. In fact the vast majority of the spells are there for utility with some crossing over to attack spells

It honestly made magic a lot more alive for me then in any other game in existence where magic is just: Lightning bolt, fireball, magic missile, hurt people spell, killing spell... This magic actually felt like magic and not just the power of killing.

*nods* I agree! I like how there's lot of practicality in Gloriana Magic.
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: Neonivek on July 05, 2013, 07:28:21 PM
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Also, I'm training Swimming because I can

Trust me you will need it.

Also I am not saying 5 is a bad game, I am just saying that it is the good game of a great series.
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: GrahamRocks! on July 05, 2013, 07:59:54 PM
Come to think of it, does Katrina give you the Water Breathing Amulet or is that strictly from Erana? If so, then I'll train it anyway.
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: Bludshot on July 06, 2013, 09:10:17 PM
There is a lot of wasted potential in 3, the setting was really cool and playing peacemaker could've been very interesting.  Unfortunately it feels like everyone just kind of phoned it in, using the tried and true formula without adding anything new.
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: Neonivek on July 06, 2013, 09:58:10 PM
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Unfortunately it feels like everyone just kind of phoned it in, using the tried and true formula without adding anything new

To me that is because it was them perfecting the formula.

Similar to Kings Quest 5 in that it was not too new but was the step towards the perfected Kings Quest formula.
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: Bludshot on July 06, 2013, 11:32:38 PM
Not sure I understand what you mean, Wages of War didn't really add anything that Trial by Fire didn't already have, and in fact there a lot less to do in Tarna, it was almost as short as the original game.  No formula perfection. 

Plus I don't understand the King's Quest 5 example, because I feel like the one nice thing to say about that game is that it added a lot of innovation, even if it was sloppy.
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: Neonivek on July 07, 2013, 03:56:16 AM
Trial by fire though was bogged down by a lot of their other decisions as well as the dated graphics. Yet I guess if you can look past all of Trial by Fire's flaws it does stand up to the third which sort of doesn't elevate itself too well.

Mind you funny you say that the third is almost as short as the first game (it lasts quite a bit longer if you don't read a guide... trust me... NEVER play the original version. The remake actually edits the forest to be easier to navigate).

Since to me the 4th was a recreation of the first game except much better. I'd say it was a dark reflection of the first game, but I am not sure that was what they were going for. They had to know how similar the 4th game was to the first, it had to be intentional.

Then again the 4th might have been "The final game" in essence, so it probably had elements from all the previous games.
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: Thaumaturge on July 07, 2013, 09:36:06 AM
Having played all five Quest for Glory games, Quest for Glory 3 is easily my favourite: the beautiful setting and wonderful locations (the city of Tarna, the temple, the Simbani village, the Heart of the World, etc.), the characters, certain of the events (telling Salim about Julanar, the various interactions in the Heart of the World, the final confrontation, the temple judgement, etc.) all combine to place it for me above the other games in the series.

In all fairness, there's likely at least a little bias on my part: it is, I believe, the first Quest for Glory game that I ever played, and part of certain treasured memories. Nevertheless, having played it more recently, I don't think that said bias fully accounts for my preference for Wages of War.

I'll admit that Wages of War isn't perfect; there are things that I think could be improved: the ritual of creating a wizard's staff could be made more involved and more interactive, Erana's backstory could have been touched on (beyond the minor implication of her having been there), the village could have been bigger, etc.

Second to it I'd likely place Quest for Glory 4, but while that has a number of excellent elements -- the wonderful conclusion of Erana's story, at least until the fifth game; the Rusalka (especially when playing as a paladin); Toby and the little girl, etc. -- it never quite manages to charm me as well as does the third game. It doesn't help that I enjoy the combat systems from the first three games -- that in Wages of War in particular, and that in the AGD remake of Trial by Fire more yet -- but am no great fan of the system used in four.

As to Quest for Glory 5, I honestly rather enjoyed it. Again, it's not perfect, but I love the way that it brings back old characters and ties off old threads. I love finally meeting the Famous Adventurer (and the music that they play in his house is just wonderful: wistful, old, reminiscent), and finding out what became of Elsa, and seeing Rakeesh again, and so on. The graphics looked fine to me: not as good as those in three and four, but good nevertheless. My only real dislike is the combat, which I feel became somewhat generic.

On a side note, I too didn't know that one could calm Issur in order to get the bellows in Quest for Glory 2! Levitation hadn't occurred to me, I don't think, but surprises me less. ^_^
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: Bludshot on July 07, 2013, 10:23:30 AM
I should probably point out I adore Wages of War, being the weakest link in a great series is still a positive.

But it should have been better, if you aren't a fighter/paladin there isn't very much for you to do, and I feel you don't get enough time with Tarna and the Leopardmen village (Simbani village is great if you are a fighter) in the same way there was an attachment to Shapeir or Mordavia.
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: Blackthorne on July 07, 2013, 12:42:01 PM
The hyberbole against QFG IV.5 at the Quest For More Glory site is the pontification of mental midgets. 

First off, the game is very old - at this point, I don't know for sure, but I think it came out in 1999 - it was created with a very early version of AGS - DOS based.

Second, the game never claims to be any kind of official sequel in any capacity - only one who has a damaged cerebellum couldn't recognize that the game was satire/parody.  One can tell it was made by someone who was a fan of the games.

Third, the humor in some places is most certainly crass, and not witty.  Again, this was in the early days of amateur game making, and someone obviously made this as a joke.

Some people act like this is such an abomination, when rather it was a shoddily made parody that gathered a life of its own because some people can not take a joke.  Personally, I think the idea of the game was much better than its execution, but I don't think it's so horribly offensive that it can't be named.  Also, whether or not anyone wants to admit this, this - being one of the first fully made amateur adventure games made with AGS - spurred on others to pursue this and thus kept the adventure genre alive by others who were obviously more capable.

I do think it's funny that people think "Infamous Adventures" loves it - when everyone there has their own identity and opinion on the piece.  If you've not played it, and you're merely listening to the hyperbole and ranting of others, then you really have nothing to say about this game - or members of Infamous Adventures or Infamous Quests.


Bt
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: Numbers on July 07, 2013, 03:02:25 PM
The hyberbole against QFG IV.5 at the Quest For More Glory site is the pontification of mental midgets.

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I think it's just easier to label a specific forum based on what you saw a few people say in it. Everyone has their own unique opinions in (almost) every forum, but the ones who talk the loudest are what casual visitors are going to hear. I didn't spend much time reading the forums at Infamous Adventures, but I did gather that the people there seem to enjoy KQ5 the most, as opposed to the people on this forum who enjoy KQ6 the most. I'm positive that's not the case for everyone in both forums, though. I'm certainly not as big a fan of KQ6 as most of the people here are. I'm also significantly less tolerant of KQ7 than most people here.

Back to QfG, I just barely noticed that Paw finally got around to doing a QfG2 LP, and started it all the way back in May. Maybe I should be paying more attention to stuff.
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: Neonivek on July 07, 2013, 03:21:30 PM
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(Referencing the 4th game) it never quite manages to charm me as well as does the third game

To me it is because they sort of go for a different style in each game. With the 4th being a genuinely dark setting (In fact the only dark setting in the series).

Heck the 5th game goes for a sort of mythic feel in my opinion, probably to reflect on how you essentially became a demigod.
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: GrahamRocks! on July 07, 2013, 06:50:28 PM
I read "mental midgets" in Sludge Vohaul's voice.

Yes Numbers, and he also did QFG1. Although, I'm assuming you've already watched that, so I won't be redundant.

Neonivek, demigod? Well, the old Gods were considered Heroes, despite some (like Hercules/Heracles) being part human part god.

btw, I think I need a little help from some Mythology nerds, particularly Norse Mythology, for my QFG fanfiction. See, in two of the games, that country's afterlife is heard about. WOW has the Egyptian Underworld (which name escapes me) and DF had Hades and mentions the Elysian Fields on the notice board about King Justinian.

I've been debating whether I should use Hel/Valhalla/Folkvangr/whatever other afterlifes there are in Germanic Mythology, or the Christian Heaven/Hell (seeing as that is what I'm what I'm most familiar with, being a christian myself) which would make some sense since I've mentioned God a few times in dialogue already, or if I should make up my own afterlife.

I mean, Valhalla/Folkvagnr would make sense from a Mythological standpoint (since Spielburg and my version of Willowsby are very Germanic). But... I can't imagine anyone but Fighters would want to constantly battle, eat, drink beer, and party all day and all night.

I just can't imagine a Paladin really liking that very much.
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: Blackthorne on July 08, 2013, 10:25:54 AM
I read "mental midgets" in Sludge Vohaul's voice.

Hahah, I didn't know if anyone would catch the subtle joke!  Hahah.  Nice grab.


Bt
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: Numbers on July 08, 2013, 02:02:31 PM
What's a Paladin?

Sorry, I was dying to use that this whole thread.

In all seriousness, you can use whatever religion you want. The mythology/lore changes with each QfG game anyways.

And yes, I have seen Paw's LP of the first QfG game, and the chronicles of the great adventurer Sneakyfeet.
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: Neonivek on July 08, 2013, 09:00:07 PM
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Neonivek, demigod? Well, the old Gods were considered Heroes, despite some (like Hercules/Heracles) being part human part god

The Hero in Quest for Glory is so powerful by the 5th game that not only can he take on armies and is more powerful then previous enemies who were able to take on entire kingdoms but he is able to do stunning feats like defeat the Hydra or use the ultimate spell that I won't spoil.

By Demigod I mean the hero in Quest for Glory at that point is clearly super human.

I remember the first game where the Brigands were actually able to mob you to death. 5th game hero? He would laugh!
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: crayauchtin on July 28, 2013, 02:52:01 PM
Come to think of it, does Katrina give you the Water Breathing Amulet or is that strictly from Erana? If so, then I'll train it anyway.
There's three different people who can give you the Water Breathing Amulet, depending on your choices. It is not possible to win the game without it.

If I may weigh in as far as which game is the best and why... I think each one has some pretty spectacular strengths and weaknesses. For me, story-wise, QfG3 was the weakest (with 5 as a close second). It was apparent in 1, 2, and 4 that they'd been planned out years ahead of time (which they had)... the story behind QfG3 just didn't seem to have the same level of depth.

QfG5's story would be excellent if they'd delved more into what the hell Minos was thinking, because his grand evil scheme looks like a mishmash disastrous mess. Personally, I think Minos was losing control of his own plan by the beginning of the game and I think -- since the intro video gave away the villain -- that they should have put in some cut scenes to exhibit that fact.

I think the story in QfG4 was the strongest, the artwork was beautiful. The only issues with it were the huge number of bugs and I didn't really like the combat system. I thought the VGA point-and-click gameplay was at it's best in QfG3 (I'm not saying the remake of 1 because, even though it worked exactly the same and it was flawless, it was basically a test-run for the series converting to VGA.)

All in all, my favorite QfG was QfG2 because, even though I much prefer point-and-click to the text-based gameplay (except when it comes to conversation, I like being able to ask things that are off-the-beaten path). The gameplay and the story were both superb, the biggest weakness in that game is just that it came out before better gameplay and graphics were available.
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: Bludshot on July 28, 2013, 07:16:54 PM
cray I recall that QFG3 was in fact a bit of an afterthought, without the same time and effort put in.  I think the story was that since Sierra was getting a lot more fans it was decided that QFG should get an entry that would be lighter in tone than Shadows of Darkness.
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: Neonivek on July 28, 2013, 11:36:05 PM
yeah the combat system is pretty much the worst thing about the Quest for Glory series. It is actually one reason I do chose to be a mage all the time, because it is always a lot better then combat with anyone else.

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story-wise, QfG3 was the weakest

More so then the first one which basically starts and ends with "Hey, there is a villain who did bad stuff to us. Can you stop her?"?

Then again how it panned out and the characterization does help it quite a bit... The story certainly flowed a lot better.

Though I still like QFG3's set up.
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: Blackthorne on July 29, 2013, 04:12:57 PM
I thought QFG3 didn't suffer from a weak story - rather, I think Acts I and II of the game were very strong, but Act III was very weak.

I don't think there was enough for the thief to do, as well. It was not balanced well for the classes.


Bt
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: Neonivek on July 29, 2013, 04:49:29 PM
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Act III was very weak.

Yeah you are right there. Act III feels almost completely removed from the rest of the game.
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: Numbers on July 31, 2013, 02:33:09 PM
It's just not structured very well. You come across some demons, who aren't nearly as threatening as they were made out to be, then you engage in a long, ultimately pointless boss battle with a funhouse mirror version of yourself, then you finally see the big bad of the game...right as it's about to end. The other games at least showed you the face of your enemy before this point. Oh, and the game ends on a sloppily-written cliffhanger that all but screams, "You have to pay money to play our next game and find out what happens HA HA HA." This isn't an issue nowadays with GOG.com, but the point still stands.
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: Neonivek on July 31, 2013, 03:51:38 PM
Well last minute enemies can work so long as there is enough forshadowing.

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You come across some demons, who aren't nearly as threatening as they were made out to be

Really what is at that point? You are nearly an unstoppable god of death!

At least if you went the mage route.
Title: Re: The Quest For Glory Thread!
Post by: Numbers on July 31, 2013, 06:58:40 PM
Well, you're not quite unstoppable until the last game. The enemies in the games leading up to it should still pose a threat. These games have at least one enemy that can be quite intimidating if your stats aren't reasonably high. The cheetaurs in the 1st, giant scorpions in the 2nd, necrotaurs in the 4th, and so on. The demons that were built up to be your number one foe in the 3rd? Not so much, especially since, unless you're a fighter, you don't need to fight them at all to get past them. Hell, the dinosaurs were harder to kill, and those are incredibly common enemies that you can battle not long after you start the game.

Also, while the demon wizard had quite a bit of foreshadowing, the actual confrontation with him was a bit of a letdown, not helped by the fact that he looked like a guy wearing a Halloween mask. Not quite the endgame I was hoping for.
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Post by: Neonivek on July 31, 2013, 10:03:30 PM
I loved the wizard battle as nerve wracking as it was.
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Post by: crayauchtin on July 31, 2013, 10:43:26 PM
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story-wise, QfG3 was the weakest

More so then the first one which basically starts and ends with "Hey, there is a villain who did bad stuff to us. Can you stop her?"?
QfG1 didn't have a hugely original plot, I'll grant you, but Baba Yaga was memorable as a villain and the construction of the story worked beautifully (which is what you said).

QfG3 had a good idea -- no, a great idea, even -- that didn't really work because a lot of key players aren't seen until the finale of the game (Reeshaka, the Demon Wizard). It could have worked to introduce neither of them IF there'd been more build up to meeting them. Reeshaka we knew exactly three things about -- she was a skilled fighter, most everyone except Kreesha and Rakeesh thought she was dead, and she went on the peace mission. The demon wizard we only knew about from stories about previous demonic invasions even though there was a perfectly good demonically caused injury that could have totally provided a psychic link to him (which would have added depth both to the Demon Wizard *and* to Rakeesh, just throwin' it out there.)

There's a lot of other issues I have with QfG3's story (lack of things to do as a thief chief among them) but that right there is my biggest gripe.
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Post by: Avoozl on August 01, 2013, 04:52:04 AM
I remember Hero's Quest 1 very fondly. Good 'ol EGA graphics on an XT or 286 PC! Woot! :D

Remember picking your nose to raise your lockpicking skill? Classic.
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Post by: Numbers on August 01, 2013, 12:21:43 PM
I think we all learned the hard way that picking your nose is not the safest way to level up your lockpicking skills.
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Post by: GrahamRocks! on August 07, 2013, 08:15:20 PM
Well, I just beat 5 tonight.

I LOVE this series so much! I can't wait until Spring to start my Fighter file!

Why until Spring?

Well, you know that whole thing with the associated seasons in the series that the Coles talked about years ago? I plan to follow that.

Spielburg: Spring.

Shapier: Summer.

Tarna: Late Summer-Early Fall

Mordavia: Fall

Silmaria: Winter
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Post by: Neonivek on August 08, 2013, 03:55:19 AM
I think we all learned the hard way that picking your nose is not the safest way to level up your lockpicking skills.

Well unless you managed to unlock it.

Mind you to me there are only two classes: The Wizard and the Thief.

I'll admit I never followed what the Warrior got as the series went on... but he always seemed like the least interesting of the three.

The Wizard got spells and awesome magic puzzles and insight into the situation no other class had. While the Thief often had solutions to puzzles far off the beaten path or even rooms exclusive to him.

What did the Warrior get? Smashing things...

I am trying to think about how excessively powerful you would be if they had a 6th game... It would probably be about your ascent to godhood.
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Post by: GrahamRocks! on August 08, 2013, 07:48:37 AM
What about the Paladin?
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Post by: stika on August 08, 2013, 10:17:54 AM
What's a Paladin? :P
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Post by: GrahamRocks! on August 08, 2013, 10:22:25 AM
Ha! That joke never gets old!  :rofl:
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Post by: stika on August 08, 2013, 10:47:42 AM
not to derail the thread, but I still say Ultima 9 isn't as bad as people say :P
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Post by: Neonivek on August 08, 2013, 12:59:26 PM
What about the Paladin?

Well that was a class that was only in three of the games, but it was a subclass anyhow.
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Post by: Numbers on August 08, 2013, 01:36:02 PM
not to derail the thread, but I still say Ultima 9 isn't as bad as people say :P

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-uRlNDK_Z03o/TqwNcqfvgsI/AAAAAAAAANo/Wes3uDQUSwQ/s400/ImpliedFacepalm.jpg)

I find your lack of taste disturbing.

Back to QfG, the Fighter class I think is for modern gamers; people who don't care about puzzle-solving or stealthiness or all that fancy stuff. In other words, the Fighter is the most accessible class for newcomers, while the other two are more accessible for those who played adventure games in their heyday. I'm sure if someone wrote a story about the three different characters working together, they could probably find an interesting dynamic between the three, showing that no one character is better or worse than the other, and each has their own strengths and weaknesses.

*ahem* GrahamRocks, that's your cue to get to work writing.
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Post by: stika on August 08, 2013, 01:45:52 PM
want me to create a thread about it? I wouldn't mind discussing it. While not "great" I don't think the game is "bad" either
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Post by: Numbers on August 08, 2013, 01:51:16 PM
Sure, go ahead. It's been a while since we had a flamewar in these forums. :suffer:
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Post by: Cathenah19 on August 08, 2013, 01:57:16 PM
Since this is The Quest for Glory thread:

For my first playthrough of the QFG series, I chose to play as a fighter because I hate games that incorporate fighting in them, and I figured that it would be easier to fight with the large sword the fighter starts the game out with. So, there is something about the fighter being better for newcomers to the series but not necessarily those who are new to adventure games. I was an adventure game vet when I started to play the QFG games, but the fighting aspects kept me from playing the games until earlier this year.

I also learned some magic with my fighter character so by the time I finished QFG4, it was more of a hybrid character. I still haven't gotten around to starting 5, yet, but I hope to be able to once some things settle down with work.
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Post by: stika on August 08, 2013, 02:17:51 PM
heh, as a general rule I don't like playing as fighters in these sort of games, I often find their gameplay style well... for the lack of a better word, boring.

Rogues and mages are so much more interesting imo :P
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Post by: GrahamRocks! on August 08, 2013, 02:40:30 PM
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I'm sure if someone wrote a story about the three different characters working together, they could probably find an interesting dynamic between the three, showing that no one character is better or worse than the other, and each has their own strengths and weaknesses.

*ahem* GrahamRocks, that's your cue to get to work writing.
So you HAVE read my story then!

What do you think?

I admit, I've had writer's block for quite awhile, alongside family stuff. I think I might be getting my muse back though, now that I have a brainstormer person again on QFMGForums.

And, I really wish I'd written that prologue better now that I think about it. I could have had a scene with each of the boys' families, showing what their lives were like at home, but nope! We just see Marcus's and a bit of Rico's and then we're off!

Also, Marcus calls his mom 'Mom' in the Prologue instead of 'Mother' like I've been imagining him doing (especially since he addresses his dad as 'Father' not 'Dad'. Plus 'Mom' and 'Father' just doesn't sound right.)

Deloria Edit: Fixing quote tags. :)
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Post by: Numbers on August 08, 2013, 07:49:13 PM
I haven't actually read your story, but I definitely know that you're writing one. Well, I'm a writer too, and what I can say about wishing you wrote an early chapter better is simply to go back and change it. Don't be afraid to make edits to something long after you've written it. I change my stuff around all the time and it almost always works out for the best.
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Post by: Deloria on August 21, 2013, 12:45:58 PM
I actually think Quest for Glory IV is the most touching game I've ever played. I love the way everyone's reactions to you change depending on what you've done for the town. :D

Well, you know that whole thing with the associated seasons in the series that the Coles talked about years ago? I plan to follow that.

Spielburg: Spring.

Shapier: Summer.

Tarna: Late Summer-Early Fall

Mordavia: Fall

Silmaria: Winter
I actually had no idea. :) Greek winters can traditionally be pretty cold and wet. :P And they all take place in quite short succession to each other: QfG1 only just ends and you take off and you're only in Shapier/Rasier for two weeks, and IIRC you're only in Tarna for a few weeks too, and that goes straight into QfG4, which you can spend an endless amount of time in. :P
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Post by: GrahamRocks! on August 21, 2013, 01:30:24 PM
No, QFG1,3,4, and 5 you don't have time limit. You can take as long as you want! It's only 2 that has a time limit of 30 days.

And yes, I love how everyone warms up to you in town after awhile!

Greek Winters are cold and wet, huh? Well, Marete is an island.
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Post by: Deloria on August 22, 2013, 03:33:18 AM
So is England, and that's always cold and wet. :P

That's true though; I never accounted for the fact that the ending animation/cutscenes might take place weeks or months after the action had ended.
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Post by: Icerose on November 22, 2013, 02:43:16 PM
I love it is there a collection for the quest of glorys game? i would buy it for sure those games are oldies but goodies and classic.
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Post by: GrahamRocks! on November 22, 2013, 02:45:15 PM
Yes, there is!

Ever heard of a site called GoodOldGames.Com? They have the collection of ALL the games for only $10!
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Post by: Icerose on November 22, 2013, 03:01:35 PM
only at this site? i am from austria and i guess they only accept creditcards?
Maybe a friend could help me out but this could get a little difficult than how  to buy it, but at least there is a collection avaible witch hopefully will works with windows xp or windows 7.
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Post by: GrahamRocks! on November 22, 2013, 04:45:05 PM
It works with Windows 7. Not sure about XP.

And that's the one place I know that has them legally (unlike, say through Abandonia which uses an emulator), plus they fixed most (if not all) of the glitches and crashes by patches in their version.
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Post by: Icerose on November 24, 2013, 05:37:23 PM
Well somehow a friend helped me out with my creditcard an as i can tell  yes those Games are compatibles with Winxp all you need is a programm called dosbox but that comes along with the collection.
I love the Quest For Glory it has a great humor and it his a nice balance between story and action and i love the fact you can choose between Thief, mage, and Fighter.

But i noticed some problem..the maincharcater is so slowly walking..when i putted it up to the fastest speed i could no longer handles the enemies between the fights and died instantly has anyone else this problem?
How to fix it? i am not an expert when it comes to the dosbox, and just in case you know which quest for glory i mean Quest For Glory 1.
Help would be appreciated thx. :)
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Post by: KatieHal on November 25, 2013, 11:34:27 AM
For help with those, some people here may be able to help you, but you should check out GOG's forums for these games since that's where you bought them.
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Post by: Icerose on November 26, 2013, 08:37:39 PM
Hmm i will do so i only found out i should use a programm to slow down my Pc but i dont think this will work. :-\
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Post by: Neonivek on December 03, 2013, 04:45:27 PM
The only class that can basically do everything is the Thief.

The Thief loses out in the first game with SOME items and skills but in the sequels I believe it is fair game.

It is a rather steep climb though.
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Post by: snabbott on December 05, 2013, 12:46:44 PM
@Icerose, you could also try running the game in ScummVM (http://scummvm.org/) and see if that works any better. For DosBox, there are settings for controlling the emulation in Dosbox.conf - described here: http://www.dosbox.com/wiki/Dosbox.conf
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Post by: Bludshot on December 10, 2013, 03:27:50 PM
Thief is the only correct choice, gives you room to get creative and also gives you some leeway to be the quintessential charming rogue.
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Post by: Thaumaturge on December 14, 2013, 05:29:43 PM
While I imagine that the Thief can get access to all of the character skills, from what I recall of playing a Wizard/Paladin hybrid, some of the quests are explicitly tied to the player's class; I imagine that the same is likely true of the Thief, meaning that a Thief presumably wouldn't get access to the quests for a Wizard's staff in 3 and 5, for example.