Quote from: copycat on September 10, 2004, 05:04:47 PMSo, if you think you've got a better chance to get a good job overthere, we can apply the same scheme. :lovegoggles:
Well, you see... there may be plenty of first-rate jobs out there, but my skill-set is decidely below third-rate.
Peace & Luv, Liz
Quote from: Jeysie on September 10, 2004, 05:31:44 PMWell, you see... there may be plenty of first-rate jobs out there, but my skill-set is decidely below third-rate.
The zero-rate loan idea also applies to anything that can 'elevate' your skill-set. :smitten:
Well, you can only elevate your skill-set if you have a base to elevate it from. (i.e. my innate skill tendencies all suck)
Peace & Luv, Liz
Quote from: Jeysie on September 11, 2004, 04:15:18 PMWell, you can only elevate your skill-set if you have a base to elevate it from. (i.e. my innate skill tendencies all suck)
Everybody has at least one skill. :lovegoggles: Even I do! I suck at certain skills too, but not all of them. And besides, you can't go lower than the bottom. :love:
I have exactly two skills:
1. Being organized.
2. Figuring out the quickest and most efficient way to do something correctly.
Number 2 sounds useful on the surface, but I obviously can only apply it to stuff I already can do or can learn to do. And I know from experience that that's a very short list.
Peace & Luv, Liz
Poor Poor Liz --- Always thinking less of herself than she should --- now buck up and have some confidence :D
Quote from: Jeysie on September 11, 2004, 04:56:12 PMI have exactly two skills:
1. Being organized.
2. Figuring out the quickest and most efficient way to do something correctly.
Number 2 sounds useful on the surface, but I obviously can only apply it to stuff I already can do or can learn to do. And I know from experience that that's a very short list.
I have a cwappy memory most of the time, but a) if I repeat something enough I'll eventually remember it and b) while I cannot remember details, I can remember certain 'themes'. And my list of skills is not actually
that long too, you know. ;] :iluvu:
Quote from: dew7 on September 11, 2004, 05:05:13 PMPoor Poor Liz --- Always thinking less of herself than she should --- now buck up and have some confidence :D
Indeed, her level of self-confidence doesn't seem to be that high, no matter how hard I try. :sweating:
I only think the truth of myself, trust me. I give myself credit when I deserve it. Besides, if I had the skills to get or learn a better job, I would have done so by now. Do you think I actually like being a retail slave/paperwork processor? ::) :P
Peace & Luv, Liz
Quote from: Jeysie on September 11, 2004, 05:41:06 PMI only think the truth of myself, trust me. I give myself credit when I deserve it. Besides, if I had the skills to get or learn a better job, I would have done so by now. Do you think I actually like being a retail slave/paperwork processor? ::) :P
No, but think of it this way. My brother has a Bachelor Degree in ICT, yet he's currently doing temp jobs as a normal hand-laborer, no ICT involved at all. And back when I graduated, I had a Bachelor Degree in bookkeeping, but I didn't have a proper job for about two years either. :o
And, on the way, I've discovered skills I never even suspected, so don't be so hard on yourself. <3
There's a difference between having the skills for a high-level job but there being few jobs available, and not having the skills for a high-level job, even if there are jobs available.
Peace & Luv, Liz
Quote from: Jeysie on September 11, 2004, 06:00:27 PMThere's a difference between having the skills for a high-level job but there being few jobs available, and not having the skills for a high-level job, even if there are jobs available.
Yes, but the end-result is the same. Whilst you have no control on the outcome of the 1st option, you
can do something aboiut the 2nd one. :flirt:
>shakes head< Jeysie, you need to get out and try something new and different! I guarantee you'll find skills you never knew you had. In the mean time, don't be such a pessimist! Pessimism is stifling. You've got great friends (even if you haven't met us), you *have* a job. That's all you really need, except (of course) to have lots of fun!
Hee! You guys are as bad as Harrison. :D I have tried a large number of things in my lifetime... I just understandably don't feel like dumping 24 years' worth of experience narrative on everyone.
If I may wax philosophical for a moment...
I feel that everybody has certain innate skills and skill tendencies. While you could possibly learn to *fake* a skill/skill tendency you don't possess, you can never do it with the same facility as someone who does have that skill/skill tendency.
It's like the difference between a brilliant writer and a mechanical hack. The brilliant writer possesses a skill of writing, or the inherent potential of such a skill. While the hack knows all the "rules" and "paint-by-number instructions" of being a good writer, but lacks that certain something to create truly good writing. It's like giving a computer a set of algorithims and a stock phrase bank to write a novel. The computer might create something palatable, but it's going to feel contrived and mechanical versus a human writer who has a true knack for the written word.
So I think the trick is to figure out what your skill/skill tendencies are, achieve their potential, and hope that your innate skill set is emotionally satisfying to you. Unfortunately mine is not, which is my main problem. :P
As for knowing what I've been good at and what I'm not, there's the old quip:
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
And I'm not a pessimist... I'm a realist. ;P
Peace & Luv, Liz
::) Realism is one of those things that irritates me. Because it's pessimism, except in denial. And I'm not kidding either.
No, seriously. I was told that "Realistically, I could expect to be in pain for the rest of my life" And also, that, "realistically, I would have schoolwork to do during summer vacation or I wouldn't pass my junior year". That's moderate pessimism.
Maybe.
But on the whole, I'd rather be aware of the possibility that something negative might happen, and thus be prepared to deal with it and/or work to keep it from happening. As opposed to thinking only positive things will happen, and being caught unawares and unprepared if negative things happen instead.
But in the end, I look at what I think is the most probable outcome, and I base my actions on that. (Said actions may not always consist of acceptance of the inevitablity of the outcome.) So I'm not an optimist who always expects good things to happen, and I'm not a pessimist who always expects bad things to happen. I'm a realist who expects what things actually happen to happen.
Peace & Luv, Liz
Expect your realism tends to be too negative in my opinion ::)
That's because due to bad luck, bad karma, and/or bad choices I've managed to have a preponderance of negative things happen to me over the years. ::) :P
Peace & Luv, Liz
Quote from: Jeysie on September 12, 2004, 02:22:01 PMInsanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Ofcourse you don't have to do it
exactly the same but just by altering little bits, the outcome can differ a lot.
Quote from: Jeysie on September 12, 2004, 03:22:53 PMThat's because due to bad luck, bad karma, and/or bad choices I've managed to have a preponderance of negative things happen to me over the years. ::) :P
Oh, I've had my own share of bad things happening to me during my childhood years too (maybe not as bad as yours, but scarring nonetheless), and yet, with some help from various sources, I've managed to 'grow out' of it. Remember, every ... has a silver lining! :flirt:
You're still stuck working with what you've got. ::)
Peace & Luv, Liz
Quote from: Jeysie on September 12, 2004, 03:53:25 PMYou're still stuck working with what you've got. ::)
There's that pessimistic realism again...
Yes, but how do you know for sure you've already found
all that you've got? :lovegoggles:
Quote from: copycat on September 12, 2004, 04:03:38 PMYes, but how do you know for sure you've already found all that you've got? :lovegoggles:
I don't... however, I have determined that I am lacking in the skills I find enviable, as well as the skills my observations tell me are necessary for most high-level jobs.
Peace & Luv, Liz
Quote from: Jeysie on September 12, 2004, 04:14:13 PMI don't... however, I have determined that I am lacking in the skills I find enviable, as well as the skills my observations tell me are necessary for most high-level jobs.
You can also get satisfaction from a bit less than high-level jobs too, you know, and sometimes even be able to live fairly comfortably, at least overhere and where I work. I know the situation in the US is probably a bit different from ours, which is yet another reason why there's only quick-wins involed if you move (to) here. :flirt:
BTW, yes there are also skills I wouldn't mind having, but that doesn't mean I am not happy with what I've got.
Yeah, convince her Copycat!
Quote from: copycat on September 12, 2004, 04:32:22 PMYou can also get satisfaction from a bit less than high-level jobs too, you know, and sometimes even be able to live fairly comfortably, at least overhere and where I work.
Heh. I can't even get a medium-level job. Heck, I can't even get a full-time job, a fact which Harrison b****es at me about on a regular basis. :furious:
Quote from: copycat on September 12, 2004, 04:32:22 PMBTW, yes there are also skills I wouldn't mind having, but that doesn't mean I am not happy with what I've got.
I'd be happy if I had some skills that produced results that were unique to me, as opposed to all my skills being things a robot could do. There's no joy in knowing that the stuff you can do well, *anybody* could do just as well, and thus you're disposable/expendable. (Which is why I can't get anything other than disposable jobs.)
Peace & Luv, Liz
The key is finding a job that you like. It doesn't matter if it's high-level or low-level, it just has to be something that makes you happy. :)
I would start by going over what your interests/skills are, then seeing which jobs require such things. If you're not sure what they are, then start trying out new things. You can never know your true talent until you discover it. ;D
Quote from: Jeysie on September 13, 2004, 01:39:28 AMHeh. I can't even get a medium-level job. Heck, I can't even get a full-time job, a fact which Harrison b****es at me about on a regular basis. :furious:
Maybe that comes from concern that you're not using your 'full potential'?
Quote from: Jeysie on September 13, 2004, 01:39:28 AMI'd be happy if I had some skills that produced results that were unique to me, as opposed to all my skills being things a robot could do. There's no joy in knowing that the stuff you can do well, *anybody* could do just as well, and thus you're disposable/expendable. (Which is why I can't get anything other than disposable jobs.)
I am a realist too, I know
everybody is expendable. I do not kid myself, there are very few jobs in the world that cannot be done by a robot, and their number is decreasing rapidly. Heck, probably there's somebody out there who can do
my job better and faster. However, I do what I'm supposed to do, at an acceptable pace, so there is no need for my company to go and find a replacement, be it human or machine. There's probably still some unique skill you haven't discovered yet, or not noticed, and unfortunately I can't help you in that, other than tell you to keep looking. :iluvu:
Yonkey: Well, I already have a job that fits most of my skill set. The problem is that I hate it and it pays crappy. ;P
CC: Well, theoretically everyone is expendable, yes. However, to give an example... let's say a company needs a logo done. Both artist A and artist B can make a logo. However, the chances are high they will make two different logos, and thus it matters which artist makes the logo.
But when all you're doing is filing papers, there's really only one good way to file them, which is file clerk-independent, and thus it doesn't matter who does it.
It might not matter to other people, but it matters to my mind-set. It's just the way I am. :P
Peace & Luv, Liz
Quote from: Jeysie on September 13, 2004, 01:30:52 PMCC: Well, theoretically everyone is expendable, yes. However, to give an example... let's say a company needs a logo done. Both artist A and artist B can make a logo. However, the chances are high they will make two different logos, and thus it matters which artist makes the logo.
And yet, there's only
one logo that will be used, so either artist A is expendable for that job, or artist B is.
Quote from: Jeysie on September 13, 2004, 01:30:52 PMBut when all you're doing is filing papers, there's really only one good way to file them, which is file clerk-independent, and thus it doesn't matter who does it.
If only we
had someone on our department that could file paper the right way... :-\ The one we have now is, unfortunately, 'protected' from high places. And yes, it's not a full time job, but we manage to keep her busy most of the time, and to be honest, I think her skill-set is even
less than yours, Jeysie. :smitten: However, maybe in a few months/years (politics supply a very uncertain time-frame), with all the changes that are happening now, the filing position
will be a full-time job. So in short: not every clerk knows how to file papers the good way. 8)
Quote from: copycat on September 13, 2004, 01:57:06 PMAnd yet, there's only one logo that will be used, so either artist A is expendable for that job, or artist B is.
Ah, but the person who gets the job will have gotten it because of their own unique personal skill, not because they just happened to be the right monkey in the right place at the right time.
Quote from: copycat on September 13, 2004, 01:57:06 PMshort: not every clerk knows how to file papers the good way. 8)
Not to start with, maybe, but since there's only one way to do it right and it doesn't require any unique thinking, just following instructions, you can always train a clerk how to do it. Of course, basic sorting skills are taught in public school, and fairly young at that, so there's little excuse for someone not to know them if they've had normal schooling.
Peace & Luv, Liz
Quote from: Jeysie on September 13, 2004, 02:12:09 PM
Ah, but the person who gets the job will have gotten it because of their own unique personal skill, not because they just happened to be the right monkey in the right place at the right time.
I don't completely agree with that. Luck does play a huge part in getting jobs and opportunities. If you didn't apply to the right place at the right time you wouldn't even be
considered for the job, regardless of your skills. Skills do play a role, but I've been qualified and even overqualified for jobs and still never received call backs for even an interview. :furious:
The other thing is you are lucky to even have a job! It's incredibly hard to find any job with this economy. Even though you may hate it, it gives you some income to pay bills and financial freedom to save up and buy something. You also never have to hear the constant nagging from family, friends and relatives about where you're working and/or why you still haven't found something. :devil:
Not having a job is awful. It's been five months now. Kinda fun at first, especially when playoffs were on. Now it sucks, bigtime.
Looking for work is depressing. I'm getting desperate enough to take a job that I know I"m going to hate so I don't have to stress about money so much. :S
And advertised jobs only comprise of UP TO 30% of the jobs out there. Jobs are found with good timing and good networking (approximately 70%, of course). I'm having trouble with this networking bit. Bleh. All someone in your network has to do is know what you do and think of you when they know a job is available. Put a face with your name and skills and your chances increase greatly.
I guess what it boils down to is that I wish I had creative skills for a job... so I can look at something I did/made and say, "There's a little of me in there." Everything I do/am good at is person-independent... it doesn't matter whether *I* do it or not. There's nothing unique or original about my skill set at all.
As for money I can pay bills... or rather, I give Harrison a lot less money per month than I should be and he pays the bills, which is also something that bothers me... but I can't save up any money. My math tells me I should have extra money, but it keeps going to buy stuff I couldn't afford with my previous even-more-poorly paying jobs.
The money thing bugs me a lot... the fact that if for some reason Harrison made me move out, or was too broke to pay the bills, I'd have to move back in with my mother because I can't make enough money to support myself on my own. :(
I've been out of a job and looking for a job 11 times now, so I'm used to that. And every single job I've taken has been "just because I needed the money" because I could never find anything better.
And networking is my downfall. I'm terrible at small talk, so the only people I talk to often are people I know well enough to have "meaningful" conversations with. Which means I've only ever had just a very small group of close friends... and right now I have exactly one close friend.
And then there's the whole "personal contacts" thing, which is also a problem for me, because I have none. (Or rather I have Harrison, but who's going to take serious a personal contact that lives with you?) I never understood that anyway. If you want to know how good a worker is at their job, shouldn't you like, just call the bosses at their previous jobs? What does their personal life have to do with it?
My shyness and tendency to keep to myself is a problem... not only does it interfere with my getting a job, but most medium and high-level jobs require strong people skills.
Peace & Luv, Liz
Quote from: Jeysie on September 14, 2004, 06:24:18 AM
I guess what it boils down to is that I wish I had creative skills for a job... so I can look at something I did/made and say, "There's a little of me in there." Everything I do/am good at is person-independent... it doesn't matter whether *I* do it or not. There's nothing unique or original about my skill set at all.
Nothing unique about mine, either. I'm a chemical engineer. Plenty of those out there. I was a corporal in the military. Dime a dozen. I didn't do anything spectacular at my last job either. But somehow I've found a way to make it seem like I've actually accomplished stuff. Instead of saying "I supervised cement jobs", I say, "Entrusted to supervise a technical service with multi-million dollar equipment". You, Liz, are a unique person, whether you're willing to admit it or not. You need to find out what parts of your personality make you different from other people and use THAT as your selling point.
Quote from: Jeysie on September 14, 2004, 06:24:18 AM
And networking is my downfall. I'm terrible at small talk, so the only people I talk to often are people I know well enough to have "meaningful" conversations with. Which means I've only ever had just a very small group of close friends... and right now I have exactly one close friend.
Networking isn't making close friends. Networking is making contacts. People you can call every so often and ask what's going on in the workplace. Instead of making small talk, develop a script of questions. Ask questions about the company the person works out. Ask questions about what employers are looking for in the position you want. Ask if they know of anyone else you can talk to.
It's not easy, but even the shy can do it. :)
Quote from: J-ROC on September 14, 2004, 09:17:21 AMYou, Liz, are a unique person, whether you're willing to admit it or not. You need to find out what parts of your personality make you different from other people and use THAT as your selling point.
If I could think of any, I would. :P
Quote from: J-ROC on September 14, 2004, 09:17:21 AMNetworking isn't making close friends. Networking is making contacts.
I know networking isn't making close friends. I meant that I'm bad at talking to people who are (and ever going to be) just acquaintances.
Plus I already have the only type of job I'm good at, and it's not exactly the type of job that requires "connections" to find. I'm more worried about the fact that non-retail jobs almost always want personal/business contacts from you. :S
And being shy hurts in interviews, too. While I've been to several interviews, I've only gotten one job from them, and that's only because (as my bosses told me) every other applicant either was a moron or didn't really understand what the job was/required. That's why I've had so many retail jobs... they pretty much sign up anyone who shows up.
Peace & Luv, Liz
Quote from: Yonkey on September 13, 2004, 09:31:28 PMI don't completely agree with that. Luck does play a huge part in getting jobs and opportunities. If you didn't apply to the right place at the right time you wouldn't even be considered for the job, regardless of your skills. Skills do play a role, but I've been qualified and even overqualified for jobs and still never received call backs for even an interview. :furious:
I agree, you need some degree of luck. Okay, so my knwledge got me a 13th place in the ranking, but even then it was lucky those 23 ranked above me did not respond to the job offer (maybe they already had a job, or they just didn't like it, you could refuse two at that time) and I
did. And now I have good luck in the colleagues I work with.
BTW, I don't have any networking skills either, and they surely didn't help with me getting this job either. I can safely say I did it all by myself. My luck also consisted in the fact I didn't have to take an interview to get this job, because I too was bad in 'selling myself'. At least that's what one interviewer once told me. At that time I also didn't know exactly what [â€]all
of my skills were (I discoverd the SQL-part by, yes, chance), but being depressed might also account for that at that time
Quote from: Yonkey on September 13, 2004, 09:31:28 PMThe other thing is you are lucky to even have a job! It's incredibly hard to find any job with this economy.
I thought the economy was on the rise again? In any way, our department doesn't care about the economy, we just ask for more personnel as the workload increases, and it increases year after year. And
nobody[b/], except maybe the filing clerk-lady, (who I'd rather have replaced with someone like Jeysie). has lots of time to spare. Although the department head does seem to have a lot of time to go take a walk around the office, and calling people into his office... but that's because he's transferred almost all (if not all) of his duties to the financial expert. And the fact that has managing skills seem rather inexistant, that ofcourse does not do good in how we look at him.
Quote from: Yonkey on September 13, 2004, 09:31:28 PMYou also never have to hear the constant nagging from family, friends and relatives about where you're working and/or why you still haven't found something. :devil:
No nagging for me, or rather none I can remember. Nowadays, I get the occasional nagging about my relationships to (certain) females, but that's as far as it goes.
My mom doesn't nag me about my job... as long as I'm happy she's happy. My mom's family doesn't bring up the matter either... they seem more concerned with the career of any man I choose to closely associate with. ::)
Relationships, on the other hand... *that* they nag me about frequently. Any time I so much as passingly mention a fellow I know, they pounce like I'm engaged to him. (They were rather disappointed to hear that Harrison and I were just friends.) I haven't the heart to tell them I don't want children... they might never recover. ::)
Harrison nags me often about not having a full-time job, and not being able to afford to own a car, however.
The job economy here in the US is horrible. Higher productivity (via both positive and negative ways) and needing to cut costs has resulted in the loss of many jobs, as well as the increasing trend of porting a large number of jobs into foreign countries to further cut costs by being able to get away with paying terrible wages and no benefits.
And I find some of your phrasing curious CC... the "right to refuse two jobs"? Why would someone not be able to choose not to pursue a job they applied to? It's unusual perhaps, but I don't see why someone would not be allowed to do so.
Peace & Luv, Liz
Quote from: copycat on September 14, 2004, 02:36:45 PM
I thought the economy was on the rise again?
Nope. Well maybe it is rising, but it's no where near as good as it was 4-5 years ago. There's too much supply and not enough demand. XD And as Jeysie said, most companies are outsourcing from third world countries because they can get away with cheaper labour there. :-\
The nagging I'm talking about is more like "When are you going to get a job? Have you found one yet? WTF are you doing all day? etc, etc, etc". The unintentional nagging is when people ask "So, what do you do? Where do you work? Have you tried...?" As if it's so easy to find a job period, let alone finding a decent one. >:(
Quote from: Jeysie on September 14, 2004, 02:46:49 PMRelationships, on the other hand... *that* they nag me about frequently. Any time I so much as passingly mention a fellow I know, they pounce like I'm engaged to him.
Yes, I've had that too, I was just going to meet a female friend of mine (and yes, those encounters are indeed rare) and they were already asking if they should go and bring out the champagne. :-\
Quote from: Jeysie on September 14, 2004, 02:46:49 PMAnd I find some of your phrasing curious CC... the "right to refuse two jobs"? Why would someone not be able to choose not to pursue a job they applied to? It's unusual perhaps, but I don't see why someone would not be allowed to do so.
They took part in an exam to find a job as 'expert (bookkeeper)', which would put you in a 'pool' from which certain governmental companies could choose from when they needed such a person. So, those who refuse might think it's too far, so they'd have to travel too much to get there, or maybe they just have other plans at that time, and it doesn't suit them.
that's why they could refuse, but only twice though. More than that, and you'd be removed from the 'pool'.
Blast it, I am well and determined to get this post into the right fluffin' thread! :P
Quote from: copycat on September 15, 2004, 02:17:38 PMYes, I've had that too, I was just going to meet a female friend of mine (and yes, those encounters are indeed rare) and they were already asking if they should go and bring out the champagne. :-\
In my case, it's especially bad because my mom's family are all Catholics. (groan)
Quote from: copycat on September 15, 2004, 02:17:38 PMThey took part in an exam to find a job as 'expert (bookkeeper)', which would put you in a 'pool' from which certain governmental companies could choose from when they needed such a person. So, those who refuse might think it's too far, so they'd have to travel too much to get there, or maybe they just have other plans at that time, and it doesn't suit them. that's why they could refuse, but only twice though. More than that, and you'd be removed from the 'pool'.
Ahh. Hmm. I'm not certain how such a thing would work here... the only application I ever made for a goverment job was an abortive attempt to apply for a mail sorter position.
Peace & Luv, Liz
Quote from: Jeysie on September 15, 2004, 04:07:18 PM
Blast it, I am well and determined to get this post into the right fluffin' thread! :P
Hehe, that was my fault for splitting it while you were still writing. :P
Anyway, I know lots of people have gripes about work and work-related stresses, so that's what this thread is for. :D
It's OK, I enjoy playing "Hunt the Thread". :pokerface:
J/K, it's not your fault I have lousy timing. :D
Peace & Luv, Liz
A plus: I play with four-year-olds all day long.
What sux: I listen to four-year-olds screaming and snotting all day long.
A woman had a chip on her shoulder yesterday. Decided she was going to take it out on me today. The head-hancho had to get involved and had to lay down the bounderies in order to calm her down.
Jeysie, I feel your pain. I've been told on a number of occassions that my resume is just oh-so-impressive, blah, blah, and my skills are good, but it seems in spite of all this, no one ever watns to hire me permanently. I've been temping for over two years since I graudated, I know I could not afford to be on my own, I just moved back in with my parents and I need support from them to get by.
I'm so sick of job hunting it's ridiculous And because of the temp josb I've been able to get, I'm beginning to get pigeon-holed into an industry I don't even like or want to pursue a career in at all.
Recently, I've started looking at grad schools. I know this industry isn't for me, and I've always thought about getting an MA and about gonig abroad, so I've been particularly looking in England. Yeah, I'd have loans, but hey, staying here isn't getting me anywhere, right? Still not permanent, still no benefits, still searching, still getting no's. I hate it, and I want out. It's school or writing for me, maybe both. Probably both since I want to get said MA in creative writing.
But the constant no's, the unsuccessful searches... I know what that's like and it blows. I think maybe one of the big problems I have (maybe you too?) is that I have no idea what I want to do with my life. Where I want to end, doing what (apart from knowing I want to write), etc, and so forth.
Though a good quote that's gotten me thinking lately was my friend saying that to know what it is you really want to do, imagine what you would do if you had no fear.
I'd quit, write full-time and do whatever I had to make myself stick to that. I'd travel everywhere and drink yuppy coffees anywhere I could with my laptop on the table while I wrote about it.
How about you? Anyone?
Considering how Harrison lately has been telling me that his idea of where/how he wants to live doesn't seem compatible with mine, I'm seriously starting to worry that we'll have to stop being roommates and I'll have to move back in with my mother. (I have no one else I know to room with, and I make nowhere near enough money to support myself.)
Seeing as how for one, the main reason I moved out was because my mom and I fought all the time, and two, her house is so dirty because she's never home to clean it that I'd have to spend a month just tidying and scrubbing everything... the thought doesn't make me happy at all. Plus the fact that there's little else but retail jobs in my hometown, which is another reason why I left. So, yeah, I'm not happy.
I'm sick of job-hunting too. I'm a creature of routine, so the constant uprooting and change caused by always losing or quitting jobs doesn't make me happy. I'd love to have a job where I can just *stay* there.
As for what I'd do if I had no fear... I'm not sure. Most of what keeps me back isn't fear, it's the fact that I don't have enough skill in the stuff I enjoy to be marketable at it.
Like for instance, I enjoy working on and making webpages, but I'm only good at the nuts-and-bolts coding aspect. I have knowledge of how to make functional and usable layouts (something I've been putting to use at my job lately), but I don't have the skill to make an eye-catching layout. And anyone can learn to web code, it's the artistic flair that's worth something.
Peace & Luv, Liz
Rooming issues: try finding random people to live with? Craigslist.org is good for finding such, as well as roommateaccess.com.
Web stuff: Well, why not take some classes to learn more of the graphic design part of it?
Heh. I can't even *talk* to random people, let alone the idea of rooming with them. Not to mention that Harrison is literally the only person I've shared a living space with who I haven't ended up in a major fight with within a few days.
Also not to mention, I doubt a perfect stranger would be satisfied with letting me pay less than half of the mutual expenses. (I don't make enough to pay half the living expenses of a two-bedroom apartment.)
And it's not the technical aspect of graphic design that eludes me, it's the thinking stuff up part. You can teach how to channel creativity, but you can't teach creativity itself.
Peace & Luv, Liz
Things hardly ever work out the way planned or the way we want them I guess, there was someone who said something like "life is what happens as you plan for it" or something
Anyhow, I know last year I was looking for "what to do" as in universities for postgraduates, because I wanted BADLY to go into a postgraduate (I actually would like to still) but reality comes crashing differently, I did suffer though University was it goes cuz It was extremely difficult for me to afford it, so I had my parents help but it was limitated, I had to afford everything each month and do magic taking freelancing jobs and all kinds of job to help me get along with the expenses of the prints, copies, material, etc.
Now if I would like to continue studying I just can't put my family in that situation again, I feel BAD doing so, I would attempt to afford it myself but it is too freaking expensive for me, and I also have life plans of course... so it is hard to decide but to prioritize (sp?) I think the catch is to organize your timing, at this moment I'm focused in saving, trying to keep myself together though things (because they are extremely hard for me right now), eventually if I get a better deal to move on from company I believe I would, but I feel as if I can't right now.
Even though that I do have a decent job at an international company (I quit freelancing at the moment and took a company job for a second time in my life), my parents have been nagging a bit, about it is half time and you work outside hour office at night too, and the salary, and wtf nitpicking every single little thing they can I guess, besides the fact I think they have a problem about this not being directly in my own main field my dad's words when he heard about this was "you didn't work on a MBA for so long to do this" the problem is, as Neil said previously, if it makes you happy why should it be a bad thing? is nto as if I were selling hotdogs on the street or something, I tutor business ppl, besides I didn't apply for any designer field, there wasn't any I wanted neither there were too many to begin with, so I applied to bilingual jobs only PR related, got some interesting contacts and I picked this company.
So the point to all this, I felt as Jeysie is feeling (I sort of still do to be honest) that there seem to be anything right now out there for me to offer me something where I think I would fit perfectly either for my lack of confidence or just because there aren't any oportunities out there, you name it, so instead of banging my head against a wall because things aren't my way I did take a chance about it, and so far I do complain lol (we all do anyways), but I'm ok as it goes.
If she wants to stay doing what she's doing because she feels "ok" for now, then just support her, if she actually considers a new possibility then that's cool too, either way it is hard to measure up skills and happiness with oportunities because thing is, in reality it never works that way which is what I think she has been trying to point out, sadly it does comes as a pessimism sometimes, but things always seems better/easier in words than in actions when it comes to these things.
Well, it's not entirely that I want to keep doing what I'm doing, just that I can't do anything better/different. Certainly not what I wish I were doing, which is something creative. I always feel incredible envious of creative people.
I'm creative in my soul, but I can never produce anything from it! I feel like I'm always trapped inside my own head.
Peace & Luv, Liz
don't see everything in completly black and white, for example, there are musicians but musicians wouldn't be anything without a crowd that would enjoy their music, and for a musician to become someone in the music industry they need great help from managers and agents and whichever else, you name it, if you can't be a musician it doesn't mean you can't work in the music industry... and that can be applied into many kind of ocupations of course, the fact you're not a creative person yourself doesn't mean you can't do exactly the same you do right now but in a different company that you may feel a bit tiny little better than what you do right now, I think.
Perhaps... although I'd still be envious that I can't do any of those creative things myself.
I've had many creative friends over the years... artists, musicians, writers... and I always try to be supportive whenever I can, but I always think "I SO wish *I* could do that!"
Harrison in particular can be hard to be around... he's so good at singing and arranging music. I've dubbed him the "Human Pitchpipe".
Peace & Luv, Liz
Quote from: Jeysie on September 19, 2004, 12:39:28 PM
I've had many creative friends over the years... artists, musicians, writers... and I always try to be supportive whenever I can, but I always think "I SO wish *I* could do that!"
Hehe, same here. I've known extremely talented people, and everytime they made something amazing I'd be so :jealous:! Sometimes it's more about accepting what you can do and what you can't, rather than trying to be something that you aren't. Even though it would be really nice to be perfect in everything, in reality no one is. 8)
I guess... I just wish I were good at something that gave me some emotional satisfaction. Nothing I do inspires me.
Peace & Luv, Liz
Quote from: Yonkey on September 19, 2004, 09:13:49 PMEven though it would be really nice to be perfect in everything, in reality no one is. 8)
Hey, speak for yourself ;P
Quote from: Yonkey on September 19, 2004, 09:13:49 PMHehe, same here. I've known extremely talented people, and everytime they made something amazing I'd be so :jealous:! Sometimes it's more about accepting what you can do and what you can't, rather than trying to be something that you aren't.
I have a different approach to the subject. Whenever I see someone doing something amazing, I say "sure, I can do that... I just don't want to/don't have the time/can't afford it" :P
Since it's the "work sux" thread and not the "skills sux" thread, I might as well complain about my job...
There's not much to complain about really.
Sure, it only pays minimum wage, but I'm still too amazed at the fact I get paid for doing stuff to care.
Sure, it's not exactly what I want to do for the rest of my life, but I haven't worked there long enough to get bored yet.
Sure, I'm a temp and get no social benefits whatsoever, but having a job, any job, beats job-hunting with a stick.
And sure, I'm probably not The Best most fitting person for that job, I still think unleashing me on the unsuspecting populous is not a good idea, and in the short time I've been there I've misplaced, misinformed, and misspelled on more occasions than I can (or care to) remember, but they haven't fired me yet. They must be really understaffed.
Perfect 8)