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Title: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: FataliOmega on January 25, 2005, 10:40:29 AM
I'll have you know that Squall was a very serious, deep, and realistic character!  Unlike a certain pink, floating, vacuum cleaner.  :P
Title: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Jafar on January 25, 2005, 10:43:12 AM
Okay, so Squall was more realistic. But Kirby is cooler. ;D
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Post by: FataliOmega on January 25, 2005, 10:44:38 AM
Yeah, but Squall gets the girl at the end. Id rather be him.  8)
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Post by: Jafar on January 25, 2005, 10:45:30 AM
Kirby sorta got the girl once. Oh, and I can't stand Rinoa. :P
Title: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: FataliOmega on January 25, 2005, 10:47:41 AM
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Oh, and I can't stand Rinoa.  

...I have nothing to say to you. Rinoa is my heroine.

(next to Elaine from Monkey Island, of course.)

... Come to think of it, maybe ill change my avatar to Guybrush.  ;D
Title: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Jafar on January 25, 2005, 10:49:05 AM
Down with Rinoa! She's the most annoying Damsel in Distress of all time! :P
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Post by: Cez on January 25, 2005, 10:51:13 AM
Rinoa RULEZ!!!

nuff said.
Title: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Jafar on January 25, 2005, 10:52:20 AM
To each his own...
And to me, NOT Rinoa. :P
Title: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: FataliOmega on January 25, 2005, 12:38:53 PM
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Rinoa RULEZ

nuff said.

Thanks for the backup, Cesar. :)

Jafar, whats wrong with Rinoa?? She wasnt half as annoying as Princess Garnet. You just dont like 'sky-blue'. Admit it.  :P
Title: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Jeysie on January 25, 2005, 03:33:58 PM
CT = Chrono Trigger (I liked Lucca better than Marle, but she doesn't fit the "damsel in distress" theme.)

And Tex Murphy is a series of futuristic-themed adventure games about a private investigator.

Peace & Luv, Liz
Title: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: FataliOmega on January 25, 2005, 08:16:53 PM
Lucca was a little too arrogant for my tastes. Plus im not into purple hair.  :suffer:
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Post by: Jafar on January 26, 2005, 01:45:47 AM
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Rinoa RULEZ

nuff said.

Thanks for the backup, Cesar. :)

Jafar, whats wrong with Rinoa?? She wasnt half as annoying as Princess Garnet. You just dont like 'sky-blue'. Admit it.  :P
Blue is one of my favorite colors. I just don't like her. She was so whiny and annoying, and she was in distress so much, you couldn't even level her up properly. ::)

Oh, and I liked Garnet. :P
Lucca was cool too. She had one of the coolest theme songs.(All the CT characters had really cool themes...)
Title: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: FataliOmega on January 26, 2005, 06:02:39 AM
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Lucca was cool too. She had one of the coolest theme songs.(All the CT characters had really cool themes...)

Magus had the best theme song.  ;D
Title: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Jafar on January 26, 2005, 06:04:33 AM
The only themes that weren't insanely good IMO were Marle's (Kind of annoying) theme and Robo's.(Didn't have that COOL factor)
Title: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: koko_99_2001 on January 26, 2005, 06:04:51 AM
/me sees another debate beginning
  ::)
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Post by: Jafar on January 26, 2005, 06:06:13 AM
If he agrees with me, theres nothin' to worry about! ;D
Title: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: FataliOmega on January 26, 2005, 06:06:59 AM
Actually, I agree. Marles was kinda dull, and Robos was 'substandard'.

Even So, my party includes:

-Crono
-Marle
-Magus

And Ive beaten the Omega Weapon with Rinoa in my party. She is far from useless.  :P
Title: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: koko_99_2001 on January 26, 2005, 06:07:38 AM
 ???

*feels completely lost*
Title: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Jafar on January 26, 2005, 06:10:03 AM
It's been forever since I've played CT, but I think my main party was usually Crono, Lucca, and Frog.

And Cat: Play more Squaresoft games! ::)
Title: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: FataliOmega on January 26, 2005, 06:13:07 AM
About every 6 monthes I replay CT. Im a sentamentalist at heart.  :P
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Post by: koko_99_2001 on January 26, 2005, 06:14:26 AM
Looks like I might have to play CT...now...where can I get the game?
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Post by: Jafar on January 26, 2005, 06:14:52 AM
I don't know why I stopped playing after beating it twice. I guess I got distracted with other games...
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Post by: FataliOmega on January 26, 2005, 06:15:52 AM
Class in 15. Be back soon. *vanishes*
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Post by: Jafar on January 26, 2005, 06:17:40 AM
See ya later, dude. And Cat, you can get it on playstation if you buy Final Fantasy Chronicals.
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Post by: amarinda on January 26, 2005, 08:03:52 AM
I'm with ya, Cat. There were always a few games I really wanted to play that only came out on PS systems. *sigh*  I actually have the Chrono Cross/Trigger, Xeno Gears, Suikoden, and Kingdom Hearts music, and it always makes me curious to play the game. I'ma gonna hafta find some computer wizard to change the format from PS to Nintendo for me... haha, cuz of course that's easier than caving in and buying a stupid PS. :P

Why WERE so many good games only released on PS? As far as I know, Sony didn't own the exclusive right to those games, did they? I mean, it wasn't like Mario or Pokemon or whatever that were private Nintendo titles, were they? I mean, FF started out on Nintento, after all...
Title: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: koko_99_2001 on January 26, 2005, 08:06:26 AM
Yeah...I don't have a PS...don't know why we have to have so many gaming consoles ::)
Title: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: FataliOmega on January 26, 2005, 08:09:32 AM
Square originally started exclusively on Nintendo. But for the kind of things Square wanted to do, they really needed a CD based system. So when Nintendo released the N-64 which used the same, tired cartidge method (which IMHO was a dumb thing to do) they signed a contract with Sony. There have been some rumblings of late that when the contract finishes Square will switch back to Nintendo now that they have finally gone CD.
Title: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: amarinda on January 26, 2005, 08:32:37 AM
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Posted by: koko_99_2001       Posted on: Today at 04:06:26pm
Yeah...I don't have a PS...don't know why we have to have so many gaming consoles

Money. And competition is healthy, I think, if we had only one company and system... well I doubt we'd be getting the variety of technological advances and innovation that we enjoy. :) I can't wait until the new Zelda game for GC comes out this summer. XD My all-time favorite video game series. :) I even just bought the limited edition, only-released-in-Europe Zelda edition GBSP. Heh, stupid since they are coming out with the DS, buuuut I had to have it. :P Nyah. **polishes the gold triforce symbol on it**

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Posted by: FataliOmega       Posted on: Today at 04:09:32pm
Square originally started exclusively on Nintendo. But for the kind of things Square wanted to do, they really needed a CD based system. So when Nintendo released the N-64 which used the same, tired cartidge method (which IMHO was a dumb thing to do) they signed a contract with Sony. There have been some rumblings of late that when the contract finishes Square will switch back to Nintendo now that they have finally gone CD.

Whoa, that would rock. When does the contract end? And why do they have to be exclusive to any company? And would all the old titles still be property of Sony or do they actually belong to Square (for example, the FF series switched platforms)? So... could they possibly be released as a sort of... older-games collection on Nintendo, as well?

Heh heh... wishful thinking...

But then, why are many games PS/XBox but not Nintendo? Wow I ask a lot of questions...
Title: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Drunken Chinchilla on January 26, 2005, 11:38:31 AM
*clicks split thread*

Hahaha who'd of thought a poll on what addition would spawn a nice big console debate!
Title: Re:The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Drunken Chinchilla on January 26, 2005, 11:50:48 AM
Sooooo Nintendo/Sony debate yay!

As far as contracts go, its not really the whole case. Sony bought a large amount of shares in Squaresoft (and Enix I believe) so even if they had wanted to release any games on the N64 they would of most likely been blocked by Big Bad Sony at the board meetings etc (I dont hate sony or anything lol).

Still on the gamecube we've seen a final fantasy (albeit a rather basic one) in Crystal Chronicles and the GBA and DS have seen (or will see) Re releases and remakes of the SNES Final Fantasies. There was also that huge rumour a few months back that Square-Enix were developing a new FInal Fantasy for the Gamecube featuring the characters of Final Fantsy 8 but seeing as the Nintendo Revolution is just around the corner I doubt we'll see that happen.

I'm just looking forward to March, the release of Square-Enixs first RPG for the DS, Egg Monster Hero. Then they'll be releasing FF:Cystal Chronicles on it (Woohoo for wireless 4 player on that!) and FF III from the snes. They also have an as of yet unnanounced RPG in development for the DS...we shall see!
Title: Re:The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Louisiana Night on January 26, 2005, 12:08:11 PM
As far as contracts go, its not really the whole case. Sony bought a large amount of shares in Squaresoft (and Enix I believe) so even if they had wanted to release any games on the N64 they would of most likely been blocked by Big Bad Sony at the board meetings etc (I dont hate sony or anything lol).

I believe they bought their shares of Enix when the  stock prices dropped tremendously, shortly after the FinalFantasy movie was released. I'm pretty sure they had slightly over 19% of the company... before the merger. I'm not too sure, but I think they have about 8% of the company now. :P
Title: Re:The Big Console Debate!
Post by: FataliOmega on January 26, 2005, 12:39:16 PM
whoa... everythings so confusing... Plus no matter what happens, it involves me buying an expensive, bulky, piece of equipment.

Guess its time to turn to the 'un-FF'... World of Warcraft. MWhahahahaha!! :)

Seriously though, Ive never been a big Nintendo fan. Theres just something infuriatingly irritating about that fat italian.  :P
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Post by: Jafar on January 26, 2005, 12:41:22 PM
Mario games Rawk everyones Sawks. :P
Title: Re:The Big Console Debate!
Post by: FataliOmega on January 26, 2005, 12:43:59 PM
... This of course, comes from the guy who likes Kirby.  8)
Title: Re:The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Drunken Chinchilla on January 26, 2005, 12:47:21 PM
I'm getting a tad tired of mario tbh. I'm hoping that Mario 128 somehow does for him what Mario 64 did for him 8 years ago though. I NEED a decent platformer, but still theres no claims that it is a platformer!

Oh about WoW, is it very system intensive? I've got it preordered from amazon for the EU release but still haven't got my new computer yet ;(
Title: Re:The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Louisiana Night on January 26, 2005, 01:17:42 PM
whoa... everythings so confusing... Plus no matter what happens, it involves me buying an expensive, bulky, piece of equipment.

Guess its time to turn to the 'un-FF'... World of Warcraft. MWhahahahaha!! :)

Seriously though, Ive never been a big Nintendo fan. Theres just something infuriatingly irritating about that fat italian.  :P

and you don't call WoW expensive? :P

There are always the PC options anyway ( FF7/8/11 ), and the PSX ones can be emulated. :)

P.S.
FFXI=MMORPG
Title: Re:The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Jeysie on January 27, 2005, 03:23:50 AM
I'm also with Koko. It's really annoying when there's one or two games you think look really cool, but they're for a console you don't have. When you're as strapped for cash as I am it's kind of hard to justify buying a $200+ console for one or two games. The only reason I have an N64 is because I won it. :P

PCs are much better in that regards. Granted, Linux and Mac support still sucks, but you still at least have the option of trying to play the game in a legal Windows emulator.

Personally I wish the consoles with CD-based games had legal emulators that played the original media (and cartridge consoles had legal emulators and for-fee ROMs). What they lost in console sales they'd make in game sales. (Let's face it, a PC geek who doesn't already have a given console likely wasn't going to buy one anyway, but they might like the games.) Seeing as how many companies take a razor-thin margin or a loss on the actual console anyway so they can rake in the money on games, this doesn't seem farfetched. (Believe it or not, the profit margin for a store selling a $300 PS2 console was, at most, $5. The margin for the console company was likely just as bad.)

Anyhoo. Getting back to less idealistic matters...

I used to like Nintendo better than Sony and Sega. Nintendo had games that had appealingly artistic graphics, a clean, friendly and goofy image, and were fun to play, and the Super Nintendo was THE RPG console. I've always found Sony and Sega's 3xtr3m3 g4m3rz!!1!1!! marketing image very off-putting, and thought that their trend towards polygonal 3D graphics was ugly. (Though there were some games on the Genesis that were quite fun to play.)

Of course, once the N64 also moved towards hyping the "bad attitude" image and 3D graphics, and, most irritatingly, having almost nothing but action games, I stopped liking it much. And very little about the GameCube has interested me.

One thing that Sony did get very, very right was having their PS2 have backwards-compatibility with PS1 games. If Nintendo offered ways to play the games from their old consoles on their newest one, I'd have my wallet out in a flash. It's a lot easier to justify buying a new console to try out the small handful of games that look interesting on it when you can play the dozens of old games you already find interesting as well.

Plus my old consoles are starting to wheeze and ask for Social Security. My NES in particular requires arcane rituals at specific phases of the moon to get working.

(Yes, I do know that their handhelds have always been backwards compatible, and that they're releasing versions of old games for their handhelds. But let's face it, I played the old games on a 25" TV, I want to still play them on a 25" TV. :P Or at least a 17" monitor.)

I read an incredibly good lament/analogy in an online article (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/20/technology/circuits/20game.html?ex=1107184519&ei=1&en=1e1566f2efc17d08) recently...

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Imagine that every few years, the technology to broadcast television changed so radically that everything produced up until that time could no longer be shown. No more reruns of "The Mary Tyler Moore Show," no more old Marx Brothers movies. You could only watch entertainment produced in the last two or three years. That is exactly what happens with computer games, where new technology is often incompatible with old games, turning great games into forgotten ones.

Kinda sad, innit? (Yes, the article was referencing computer games, but video games are just as bad, if not worse.)

Peace & Luv, Liz
Title: Re:The Big Console Debate!
Post by: racx_00 on January 27, 2005, 06:37:32 AM
I have been trying to get Chrono Trigger for years :-\, but in the world of PAL Chrono Trigger is a rarity and impossible to find :-\

BTW I agree with ya Jeysie the SNES was great where as the N64 was a big let down :-\
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Post by: Drunken Chinchilla on January 27, 2005, 12:22:03 PM
I'm also with Koko. It's really annoying when there's one or two games you think look really cool, but they're for a console you don't have. When you're as strapped for cash as I am it's kind of hard to justify buying a $200+ console for one or two games. The only reason I have an N64 is because I won it. :P

PCs are much better in that regards. Granted, Linux and Mac support still sucks, but you still at least have the option of trying to play the game in a legal Windows emulator.

Personally I wish the consoles with CD-based games had legal emulators that played the original media (and cartridge consoles had legal emulators and for-fee ROMs). What they lost in console sales they'd make in game sales. (Let's face it, a PC geek who doesn't already have a given console likely wasn't going to buy one anyway, but they might like the games.) Seeing as how many companies take a razor-thin margin or a loss on the actual console anyway so they can rake in the money on games, this doesn't seem farfetched. (Believe it or not, the profit margin for a store selling a $300 PS2 console was, at most, $5. The margin for the console company was likely just as bad.)

Anyhoo. Getting back to less idealistic matters...

I used to like Nintendo better than Sony and Sega. Nintendo had games that had appealingly artistic graphics, a clean, friendly and goofy image, and were fun to play, and the Super Nintendo was THE RPG console. I've always found Sony and Sega's 3xtr3m3 g4m3rz!!1!1!! marketing image very off-putting, and thought that their trend towards polygonal 3D graphics was ugly. (Though there were some games on the Genesis that were quite fun to play.)

Of course, once the N64 also moved towards hyping the "bad attitude" image and 3D graphics, and, most irritatingly, having almost nothing but action games, I stopped liking it much. And very little about the GameCube has interested me.

One thing that Sony did get very, very right was having their PS2 have backwards-compatibility with PS1 games. If Nintendo offered ways to play the games from their old consoles on their newest one, I'd have my wallet out in a flash. It's a lot easier to justify buying a new console to try out the small handful of games that look interesting on it when you can play the dozens of old games you already find interesting as well.

Plus my old consoles are starting to wheeze and ask for Social Security. My NES in particular requires arcane rituals at specific phases of the moon to get working.

(Yes, I do know that their handhelds have always been backwards compatible, and that they're releasing versions of old games for their handhelds. But let's face it, I played the old games on a 25" TV, I want to still play them on a 25" TV. :P Or at least a 17" monitor.)

I read an incredibly good lament/analogy in an online article (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/20/technology/circuits/20game.html?ex=1107184519&ei=1&en=1e1566f2efc17d08) recently...

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Imagine that every few years, the technology to broadcast television changed so radically that everything produced up until that time could no longer be shown. No more reruns of "The Mary Tyler Moore Show," no more old Marx Brothers movies. You could only watch entertainment produced in the last two or three years. That is exactly what happens with computer games, where new technology is often incompatible with old games, turning great games into forgotten ones.

Kinda sad, innit? (Yes, the article was referencing computer games, but video games are just as bad, if not worse.)

Peace & Luv, Liz

I agree with quite a few points but...

The N64 had virtually NO image in europe. Marketing by nintendo Europe has always been pants so im not sure what appraoch they took in the US but here it wasn't a good or bad thing...just a big gaping hole! I always wondered why they didnt just release the Japanese adverts with subtitles, i think it sums up what nintendo are about far better than trying to appeal to an audience that blatently isnt interested.

Also about action games on the N64...I wouldn't say it was mostly action games. Ok the RPG support for it was incredibly bad but classics like super mario, Banjo-Kazooie/Tooie, Conkers bad fur day (THE most funniest game ever made IMO) Zelda OOT and Zelda Mask of majora, Pilotwings, lylat wars (star fox?) and basically every other First party and Second party game was AAA quality. I think compared to SNES of course it was a letdown as they lost nearly all third party support (most importantly Square and Capcom).

Oh also a note about losses on consoles, I think I read somewhere that to start with, even the £300 price tag of xboxs here MS were losing over £50 with each one sold. Now theyre £99 so despite efficiency being improved I dread to think how much MS are losing on them now. Nintendo on the other hand have always stuck to the policy of not making a loss on hardware which is pretty incredible seeing how cheap the cube can be picked up now.

About the cube games also, I think theres alot there that would appeal to you Jeysie! I think you must of heard a few of us ranting about animal crossing which im sure ANYONE would love if they gave it a chance. Theres RPGs galore now with namco having released Tales of Symphonia and Baten Kaitos recently. Super Monkey ball was the best launch title and I still play it even now which I think also has a "anybody can play it" appeal.

lol ill stop now before i try to rma anymore games down your throat but im sure you get my point :D

One last nintendo thing (hehe) is that you can get teh Gameboy player for the gamecube (around £30/$40-50?) which allows you to play GBA games on the TV screen which is heaven for all the RPGS available for it.

I do strongly agree with the lifespan point. People were guessing that this generation would last at least 6 years but the way things are going now it could be over by xmas this year with in release of Xbox 2 and (possibly) the nintendo revolution. *sigh*. Still although theres new hardware out it doesnt mean you ahve to chuck your old stuff out! I still ahve my Black and white gameboy, Snes, PS1 and N64 which I get out when I'm feeling sentimental :pleased:
Title: Re:The Big Console Debate!
Post by: amarinda on January 27, 2005, 12:49:37 PM
Well said, Jeysie and Alex! I like Nintendo's image and games over the years much better than any other system. I agree wholeheartedly with the downwards compatability thing. I have SNES, N64 and NGC, but it's really annoying having to switch the hookups to the TV, and the older systems are starting to look a little worse for the wear (I feel ya, Jeysie!).  :-\

I think I'll always prefer fun and goofy with a dash of drama/intensity (when appropriate) to edgy, fast and (mostly) violent. I want to solve puzzles, interact with people/places/objects, improve hand-eye coordination (lol) and be entertained, not just move around and shoot/hack/zap/run-over "people." And while I enjoy computer games a great deal, there's something different about playing a console game in front of your TV with a controler in hand. :)

I'm not sure what you mean, Jeysie, about the "bad" image Nintendo developed? They made some decisions I don't like very much, but they're still way better than the others and many of their console and handheld games over the past few years I have enjoyed very much. 3D *can* be a good thing when done right, IMO.
Title: Re:The Big Console Debate!
Post by: racx_00 on January 28, 2005, 02:46:47 AM
Yeah, although the N64 was a let down I still believe that there were some great and funny games :D
Title: Re:The Big Console Debate!
Post by: dew7 on January 28, 2005, 08:33:39 AM
Best Console Games of All Time in Dew's Opinion:

Chrono Trigger -- it was awesome -- I loved beating the Lavos core and the graphics were awesome, imo on the original Super NES -- I helped my best friend Brian play it and he beat it with my help on his Playstation 2 in Final Fantasy Chronicles.  I loved the added cut-scene graphics but there were about two or three that we were unable to unlock after beating the game  I guess we did not beat it 100% you could say, :>

Final Fantasy 7 --- Aeris was too cool and I wished that she didn't have to die -- her character was so well done in my opinion that my heart was all aflutter and light by seeing her and having her in the game -- Sephiroth was really tough to beat imo and I remember having to go back and get my characters stronger to destroy him finally --- I wish I could locate the game that had the data saved but it is probably erased and I do not want to go to the time or trouble of trying to beat that great game again.   :-\  :'(

Anyway, I am going to pass on the DS -- the Game Boy Advance SP is great and I don't care much for the DS and its two screens

I may save up and buy the PSP but I have not decided as of yet -- I think it comes out in March but I am unsure

I own the original Nintendo, the super Nintendo, Playstation 1 and 2, Game Boy Advance SP, the original Gameboy, and GameCube.

I sold the original Game Boy Advance towards the Game Boy Advance SP because even with an add-on light this console was too dark and crap in my opion.

I skipped out on the X-box because of the expense, it is not my cup of tea, I can play it at a friend's house, and the type of games are kinda like PC Games and usually involve games that I am not very good at.

Anyway, I now yield the floor and Yay it's Friday!!

 8)  :D  ;D
Title: Re:The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Jeysie on January 28, 2005, 09:02:14 AM
Alex: All the N64 games you listed do/did look very nice, but they're also all games where if you're bad at actiony-stuff you won't get much fun out of them. (FPS, fighting games, platformers, action-adventures, real-time-strategy, etc. I usually suck at all of them...) About the only game I ever play for the N64 is Mario Party (and Harrison usually kicks my butt six ways from Sunday).

Like most things in my life, the N64 game selection works for 99.9% of people, and I'm in the 0.1%. Nothing to be done except move on. (shrug)

Interesting point about the GBA-on-Gamecube thing. They had something similar for regular GB and the SNES many moon ago. I'll have to look into that.

And believe me, I haven't chucked out my old stuff. However, as Amarinda said, my old stuff is getting worse for the wear. The NES is all but completely broken.

Speaking of Amarinda, I didn't mean that Nintendo developed an image of being a bad company. I meant... I've been a subscriber to Nintendo Power since almost Day One, and after the N64 got released, there was a definite switch of feel of Nintendo trying to emulate the in-your-face attitude that Sega and Sony already had been going with. They may have very well changed back again... I unsubscribed after it came apparent that I was out of the loop because the market no longer wanted games I could play. (Which is why I also seldom play new computer games any more, actually.)

As for 3D graphics, IMHO it's only recently that 3D is starting to have the same quality that well-done 2D graphics have had for years.

Peace & Luv, Liz
Title: Re:The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Drunken Chinchilla on January 28, 2005, 02:01:53 PM
Ahhhh Liz I seem to remember you saying before your ole' hand eye co-ordination wasnt too sharp :D

Hehe I also agree about "Official" magazines. No matter what console they'll be filled with tripe and annoying fanboy ravings. I stick to independant ones and recently Edge (I think you get that in the US too...).

Dew, I'm not getting at you or anything but what about the two screens turns you off? The minute I saw them there were THOUSANDS of ideas spinning through my head, like if it were to link up to Nintendos next home console you could use it as a mirror to look round corners with a motion sensor cartidge in it similar to the ones released on the GBA recently.

I reckon the next year or so will be some REALLY exciting times for gaming in both handhelds and home consoles. I think the thing that i may be most looking forward to is the sucsessor to the GBA. The DS is the third platform rather than a new GBA (or so nintendo have been saying) So i can't even imagine what their R&D department is brewing up for that!

EDIT: Ta to Cat for understanding Alexish again ;p
Title: Re:The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Louisiana Night on January 28, 2005, 07:49:45 PM
Personally I wish the consoles with CD-based games had legal emulators that played the original media (and cartridge consoles had legal emulators and for-fee ROMs). What they lost in console sales they'd make in game sales. (Let's face it, a PC geek who doesn't already have a given console likely wasn't going to buy one anyway, but they might like the games.) Seeing as how many companies take a razor-thin margin or a loss on the actual console anyway so they can rake in the money on games, this doesn't seem farfetched. (Believe it or not, the profit margin for a store selling a $300 PS2 console was, at most, $5. The margin for the console company was likely just as bad.)

I think the PSX and Saturn are the only CD-based consoles( VGS and Bleem! were the only emulators out of them, that didn't require the console's BIOS, which made them legal, whether or not you owned a PSX ). :-\
The PSX2 and Xbox use the DVD format( although I think Microsoft put some sort of protection onto the discs, so most DVD-drives can't read the data :( ) . All other "optical disk"-based console games, couldn't be used on a PC, off the disc( even if the companies decided to make emulators ). Also, Sony says that the PSX3 will be using Blue-Ray, and since the HD-DVD format is now being added to some PCs, I doubt it will be possible to use them directly from a disc either, on a PC.  :-\

but yeah, considering Sony already has a PSX emulator( that they stopped selling ), I'd like them to start selling it again ( and make a new one for the PSX2 ;) ).

I like the idea of being able to buy roms also( though most of the emulators are legal, I doubt they'll do it anytime soon... due to their fear of piracy :-\ ). :)

and then there's OpenX D K, the freeware/legal Xbox development kit. ( kinda the reverse of what you said about console games on the PC, but still :P ) . XD

***simplifies the problem, and starts looking up the prices of consoles :P

PCs are much better in that regards. Granted, Linux and Mac support still sucks, but you still at least have the option of trying to play the game in a legal Windows emulator.

Older games mostly work( at least 3 years old )... it's just the new ones that are a pain. ;P

"That's my story, and I'm stickin' to it" :P

Plus my old consoles are starting to wheeze and ask for Social Security. My NES in particular requires arcane rituals at specific phases of the moon to get working.

Yeah. I can't remember if they were always that hard to get games working on, or if it's age that does it. ;P
Title: Re:The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Louisiana Night on January 28, 2005, 07:59:05 PM
and I've gotta agree with Alex on this one. The GC has many titles that are non-action ( bad term to use, but I don't care ;P ).

They also have some that are just plain WEIRD ( which you'd also probably like ;) ) . :P


and seeing how these posts make no sense to me, and I don't want to decrease my postcount, I'll just leave with these words...

Wabbajack

Wabbajack

Wabbajack

 ;P
Title: Re:The Big Console Debate!
Post by: dew7 on February 03, 2005, 01:34:39 PM
X-Box 2 rumored to use ATI graphics that are built in-house at ATI as compared to Nvidia that are out-sourced and not as good video chips imo.   :P  8)  :D

An Nvidia graphics card once caused havoc on one of my PC's and I know quite a bit about computers.  I had to use GoBack after removing the card and reinstalling my old 3dfx card.  I will stick with ATI because their cards are superior, imo and they are a Canadian company and my brother-in-law is an awesome Canadian.
Title: Re:The Big Console Debate!
Post by: dew7 on February 19, 2005, 08:06:16 AM
Anyone hear about Microsoft's X - Box problems in regards to power cords causing consoles to catch fire.  Go to XBox site or call your local Microsoft office for a new one.   :o  >:(  ;)
Title: Re:The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Oldbushie on July 14, 2005, 06:41:00 PM
The Nintendo Revolution is gonna rock. :D

*can't wait to play Super Nintendo games in rendered 3d* Or is that just a silly made up rumor? ;)
Title: Re:The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Jump In Well on July 15, 2005, 01:36:07 PM
The Nintendo Revolution is gonna rock. :D

*can't wait to play Super Nintendo games in rendered 3d* Or is that just a silly made up rumor? ;)

I've only heard that they are going to render the original mario bros. game in 3D, with same gameplay, but thats all we've heard from the nintendo pres.
Title: Re: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Louisiana Night on December 30, 2005, 11:14:15 PM
So, what's everyone's opinion on the Xbox360?

Personally, I don't care much for it. The graphics are good... but it won't be long before its competition is here(with graphics that may be hard to compare). Its game lineup is good(but not great), but you can get the best of what they have to offer for the PC(Oblivion anyone? ;) ). So I'm not interested in the games they have to offer. The price is high, but I'm betting the PS3 will be higher(The Xbox uses cheaper tech.). The Revolution, I'm guessing, will be cheaper than either(they haven't failed yet to make their consoles affordable).

On the other hand, me likes the Xbox360 controller(it has a PC version). It's not bulky like the Xbox's controller, its design is simple(so it won't confuse people, like the Gamecube's does at first), and it's perty. :P
Now if they'll just release a wireless version for the PC... ::)
Title: Re: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: racx_00 on December 31, 2005, 12:07:34 PM
Personally I prefer it overall the others so far. The PS3 isn't really back compatible and that's what annoys me. None of the old memory card work with it and that means you have to keep your PS2 unless you feel like starting your games over. Maybe they will find a save transfer thing or something. :-\

So far the Revolution still hasn't gotten me interested. So at the moment I'm caught up between the 360 and PS3.
Title: Re: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: awesomeasapossum on December 31, 2005, 12:59:45 PM
Down with Rinoa! She's the most annoying Damsel in Distress of all time! :P

DAISY is!
Title: Re: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Jafar on December 31, 2005, 10:46:55 PM
Assuming you mean Princess Daisy and not Daisy Duck, she was only in distress ONCE, and it was an alien instead of Bowser, so it was new. :P
Title: Re: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Louisiana Night on December 31, 2005, 11:47:40 PM
Personally I prefer it overall the others so far. The PS3 isn't really back compatible and that's what annoys me. None of the old memory card work with it and that means you have to keep your PS2 unless you feel like starting your games over. Maybe they will find a save transfer thing or something. :-\

So far the Revolution still hasn't gotten me interested. So at the moment I'm caught up between the 360 and PS3.

Go with the PS3. Some of Microsoft's first consoles were buggy(and had to be sent back by the buyers). :-\
Title: Re: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Pacman928 on December 31, 2005, 11:51:56 PM
i'm gonna throw in my 2 cents real quick.

ps3 is gonna rock with xbox 360 coming in close second while the revolution is back at the starting line. 

the ds is ok, but the psp is better,  i didn't get it because it's too expensive for a handheld.
Title: Re: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Jafar on January 01, 2006, 12:00:12 AM
Looks like somebody has a Sony Monkey on his back. ::)

PSP doesn't seem to have anything we haven't already seen before on the PSX\2. Add in the lousy battery life, and it's not my handheld of choice. I admit that the DS game library is a bit low, but it still has some awesome games already out, with even more on the horizon.
As for the next consoles, I've gone over why I dislike Xbox and it's sequel several times. :P PS3 hasn't really impressed me yet, and it still has a few annoying issues from the last few consoles. It's way expensive too. I'll keep an open mind, but I'll probably just use the old PS2.
As for Revolution, 4 words:

SUPER SMASH BROS. THREE ;D
Title: Re: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Pacman928 on January 01, 2006, 12:35:22 AM
so?

yeas, the psp has horrible battery life.  but it' sstill cool.(btw-i trust nintendo for handhelds)

what are your complaints about the ps3 besides the price.
Title: Re: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Jafar on January 01, 2006, 12:43:34 AM
For one thing, it has an uncomfortable (looking) controller. :P And you still can't use new memory cards and other accesories with the older games, and it can be really annoying trying to find some of the old stuff. Other then that, it just doesn't really appeal to me so far, but that might change.
Title: Re: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Louisiana Night on January 01, 2006, 12:46:28 AM
You forgot that it uses Blue-Ray... BLUE-RAY MUST DIE! ;P

Mark my words... they'll try to kill all modded/altered PS3s with those things. :P
Title: Re: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: edgarnick on January 01, 2006, 06:07:21 AM
Don't you get a virus avatar on psp :P with that game infected if ou play multiplayer
Title: Re: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Drunken Chinchilla on January 01, 2006, 10:32:38 AM
My favourite thread is back <3

Im with Jafar on pretty much all this. If you want bigger and shinier (and staler in my opinion) games then go with MS or sony. If you actually want to try something different to whats been around since gaming began then try out Nintendo. The DS and Rev are actually trying to innovate and expand the market rather than just cater to hardcore fans who are actually starting to shrink in general.

...Saying that though, I am extremely impressed with how MS have gone about getting alot more Japanese dev support, the most exciting being mistwalker who have some of the crem de la crem of Japanese game makers. Once the price drops to a reasonable one (and the games cost less than £45 each :@) I shall most likely get a 360. No PS3 for me though.
Title: Re: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: racx_00 on January 01, 2006, 07:57:19 PM
So far with handhelds I'm leaning towards the DS. PSPs have been pretty buggy so far and I'm looking forward to FF3 on DS not FF7 sequels which will be going to PSP.

The DS is a nice change from the normal, with the second screen and all. So far there aren't many games on it that I like. But even so, I am really liking it so far. The only thing that sways me towards the PSP is GTA:LCS and MediEvil. Still I see myself getting a DS.

With consoles though the Revolution just isn't interesting me. I've always been with Nintendo, but this time MS has sucked me in. PS3 would have me if it weren't for the whole memory card issue. I mean why even make it back compatible if you can't play your saved games, and unless there is a way around that I will probably stick with MS.

Anyway that sums up my opinion :P
Title: Re: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Mary Jane on January 02, 2006, 04:49:52 PM
From what I hear, the DS was not the first handheld that does what it does, but I still like it. 

I am very excited about the Revolution, will never actually touch an X-Box 360, and am only considering borrowing a potential friend's PS3 so that I can play MGS4.
Title: Re: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Pacman928 on January 02, 2006, 09:20:16 PM
i really hate the revolutions controller.
Im with Jafar on pretty much all this. If you want bigger and shinier (and staler in my opinion) games then go with MS or sony. If you actually want to try something different to whats been around since gaming began then try out Nintendo.

if you want something that's been around forever, get atari.
Title: Re: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Jafar on January 02, 2006, 11:18:56 PM
I don't think Atari has aged as well as the NES. :P
As for the Rev controller, it looks a heck of alot more comfortable then that PS3 boomerang. ;P
Besides, if you don't like it, you can just "plug" it into the shell and use it like a GC controller.
Title: Re: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Pacman928 on January 03, 2006, 12:13:50 AM
so?

i'm comfotable with aany controller type except the revolution's.
Title: Re: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Jafar on January 03, 2006, 03:30:44 AM
If you're comfortable with any controller, it shouldn't be a problem since the shell is just like the GC controller. ;P
Title: Re: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Pacman928 on January 03, 2006, 10:28:25 PM
not really.  it's more like the scii sword controller.  i don't like that one as much, but it's ok.  and its nintendo which makes it a little worse.
Title: Re: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Jafar on January 03, 2006, 10:34:20 PM
So, being a Nintendo product automatically makes it bad?
Title: Re: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Rosella on January 04, 2006, 02:58:51 PM
What's wrong with Nintendo? *huggles her N64* :P
Title: Re: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: koko_99_2001 on January 04, 2006, 06:45:15 PM
I'm SO glad that someone else still loves the N64!
Title: Re: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: racx_00 on January 04, 2006, 06:46:28 PM
I don't think Atari has aged as well as the NES. :P
As for the Rev controller, it looks a heck of alot more comfortable then that PS3 boomerang. ;P
LOL! Yeah me and my mates call it a boomerang. It doesn't look very good and I doubt it would be very "comfortable" :P

I'm SO glad that someone else still loves the N64!
Yeah, N64 was great XD
Title: Re: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Jafar on January 04, 2006, 06:46:48 PM
Although I never owned one proper, the N64 had ALOT of good games, and is really underrated.
Title: Re: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Pacman928 on January 07, 2006, 12:01:45 AM
i don' tlike buying nintendo systems because i don't think that they're worth paying for.  if someone else has a nintendo system, i'll play it because i can hold my own in some games.
Title: Re: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: dew7 on January 23, 2006, 10:54:39 PM
I enjoy playing cart racing on the N64 with my friends.
Title: Re: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Dirk Delshire on May 02, 2006, 11:40:13 PM
they're all good and bad. :P
Title: Re: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: MangoMercury on May 02, 2006, 11:45:08 PM
These children agree with the Nintendo yay-sayers, which includes myself!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=a8q-elxC6gU&search=nintendo%2064
Title: Re: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Jafar on May 02, 2006, 11:49:35 PM
Awww! ;D
Title: Re: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: MangoMercury on May 02, 2006, 11:52:24 PM
NINTENDO SIXTY FOOOOOOOOUR!!!!
Title: Re: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Oldbushie on May 03, 2006, 02:11:01 AM
SNES games will always be a classic. :D
Title: Re: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: MangoMercury on May 03, 2006, 02:21:27 AM
Oh, true that, they will.  I'm currently playing through Yoshi's Island.  It's like HAPPY!CRACK :D
Title: Re: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Jafar on May 03, 2006, 04:59:35 AM
Fuzzies = Crugs. :P
Title: Re: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: MangoMercury on May 03, 2006, 05:36:37 AM
TOUCH FUZZY..

GET DIZZY!

@_____@
Title: Re: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: racx_00 on May 04, 2006, 02:05:01 AM
I love spending ages on that level just to get buggered up from the fuzzies! XD
Title: Re: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: MangoMercury on May 04, 2006, 05:44:20 AM
They're GREAT!  I'm on that level right now (I'm playing the game with the rule that I don't play a new level until I score 100 on that one.  Watch me get frustrated with that XDD; )
Title: Re: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Oldbushie on May 05, 2006, 09:49:02 PM
XD

I still need to beat Kirby: Canvas Curse. I finally got all the secret stuff except for beating the minigames at hard level. :P
Title: Re: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: MangoMercury on May 06, 2006, 12:33:02 AM
I need to replay Kirby: Canvas Curse..  When I ever get a new DS! :(
Title: Re: The Big Console Debate!
Post by: Oldbushie on May 06, 2006, 01:03:26 AM
What happened to your current one? :(
Title: Next Generation Systems Thread (not poll)
Post by: Pacman928 on November 19, 2006, 01:02:03 PM
canvas curse got pretty boring after a while.