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Title: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Lollotte on June 28, 2005, 09:56:16 PM
Now let's get down to business--Cassima.

I really want to know what y'all King's Quest junkies think about Cassima.

I think she is going to turn out to be independent, strong minded, but gentle. She is the perfect wife to Alexander, but she's probably pretty spirited, too. Not your typical queen!

I wonder...is she going to have an important role to play in KQIX? I'm anxious to hear what your opinions are! ???
Title: Re:CASSIMA!
Post by: Farquhar on June 30, 2005, 03:47:09 PM
In my opinion, there seems to be quite a bit about Cassima that we don't yet know. I've got a feeling though that she will play an important role in KQ IX.

Have you seen the new main character wallpapers?
Title: Re:CASSIMA!
Post by: Yonkey on June 30, 2005, 06:39:46 PM
I think she is going to turn out to be independent, strong minded, but gentle. She is the perfect wife to Alexander, but she's probably pretty spirited, too. Not your typical queen!

Cassima & Alexander are perfect together.  They even share pretty common pasts.  Both were part of royal families, but taken away by evildoers and forced to work as slaves.  While Cassima was saved by both Graham and Alexander, Alexander freed himself.  I can't reveal much about KQIX, but Cassima does affect Alexander's journey through the game both positively and negatively and because of this, I'd say she plays an important role.  8)
Title: Re:CASSIMA!
Post by: Lollotte on June 30, 2005, 08:32:54 PM

 I can't reveal much about KQIX, but Cassima does affect Alexander's journey through the game both positively and negatively and because of this, I'd say she plays an important role.

Hmmm...interesting! We don't know that much about Cassima, and I'm glad we're going to get to know her. I wonder how she helps Alex. She's probably his emotional support--but I hope she does more than that, too. I'd like to see her tackle some evil doers! Maybe she had good swordsmanship skills.... I wonder how she and Rosella get along? (That's not a rhetorical question, by the way!!! :P)
Title: Re:CASSIMA!
Post by: Shard on July 01, 2005, 10:21:52 AM
I like Cassima she wasn't your classic damsel in distress, she stabbed the Vixer afterall! :) It will be very cool to see how this story develops :)
Title: Re:CASSIMA!
Post by: Lollotte on July 05, 2005, 07:52:45 PM
I totally agree! Maybe this time, she'll rule the  Land of the Green Isles single-handedly while Alex adventures... ;)
Title: Re:CASSIMA!
Post by: Shadowfax on July 07, 2005, 01:46:50 PM
I hope to whatever deity I hold dear that Cassima is a powerful female character. I have no idea if this is unusual for a bloke but I LOVE strong female characters; especially if they are level-headed and exude effortless authority but retain a "fun" side as well (or at least still appear to have a human streak; no melodrama permitted!)  ;D

Indeed, I am popular with many of my lady friends who like the fact that all my own books feature similarly commanding female leads.  ;)

If Cassima turns out to be a limp-wristed t*** then I will formally plant virus bombs onto her character designers desktop!  ;)
Title: Re:CASSIMA!
Post by: Lollotte on July 07, 2005, 06:44:41 PM
I couldn't agree more! No wonder you're popular with the ladies!  ;)

Cassima should be a pretty strong woman character. I just wonder what she does in the game...

P.S.: IF you like strong women characters, read "Piratica" by Tanith Lee or "Wicked" by Gregory McGuire.
Title: Re:CASSIMA!
Post by: Shadowfax on July 10, 2005, 03:34:51 PM
Here's friend...glad I am not alone! (I will be posting a few excerpts of my work shortly on the fan-fiction thread...you may like it if you like your strong female leads, this lady has the weight of...well...everything on her shoulders!)  :)
You will have to be quick mind, there is a time limit on their existance within the thread to protect my intellectual property!

Anyhoo, enough of my canvassing(!)  :-X

I really do hope that Cassima is strong enough to hold her own; as much as she loves Alexander (I assume!) and supports him I don't want her to go all permanently soppy if he "disappears," and if she is a negative influence, I hope its not something malicious or she is so desperate to help him that she doesn't take his situation into account holistically and does something more destructive than anything else.

Thanks for the book referances BTW. I will have to take a closer look!  :)
Title: Re:CASSIMA!
Post by: Raforever on July 10, 2005, 05:35:00 PM
It sure beats those ninny ladies that call for help when they could just walk away to freedom  ::)
 
Indeed, I am popular with many of my lady friends who like the fact that all my own books feature similarly commanding female leads.  ;)

I had a feeling you were a writer and I was "write" :D XD

Any chance of letting me know the titles?  ;B
Title: Re:CASSIMA!
Post by: Lollotte on July 11, 2005, 11:44:25 AM
Yeah! I would like to know the titles, too!

I will be very angry if Cassima does something "swoony" and stupid, though I doubt she will. Maybe she senses that Alexander is in such deep trouble that she can't help him alone, so she intelligently seeks help from someone really powerful... :o
Title: Re:CASSIMA!
Post by: Raforever on July 11, 2005, 05:01:37 PM
A powerfull wizard or something  :D
maybe a little magic battle somewhere in the game too  ;)
Title: Re:CASSIMA!
Post by: Shadowfax on July 12, 2005, 01:52:19 PM
Titles eh?

Well...they have yet to be published so you won't be able to actually find them...yet!

I have to run this through with my people first (just in case the titles themselves come under the intellectual property protection acts I work under!)

Will let you know later!  ;)
Title: Re:CASSIMA!
Post by: Lollotte on July 12, 2005, 07:50:52 PM
Thanks Shadowfax!  ;D

Maybe Cassima will employ the help of the druids on the Isle of the Mist. Or even BETTER--the Oracle on the Isle of the Sacred Mountain. I wonder--is the Oracle in the game?

It would be really cool, though, if the druids worked some nature magic to locate Alexander or make the weather come to his aid... :D
Title: Re:CASSIMA!
Post by: Louisiana Night on July 13, 2005, 01:20:42 AM
is the Oracle in the game?

DarkPremonition (http://www.postudios.com/archivedTSL/media/screenshots/screenshots/darkpremonition.jpg)

maybe... ;-D
Title: Re:CASSIMA!
Post by: Raforever on July 13, 2005, 05:44:42 PM
Thanks shadowfax  :)

--

That would be interresting. Controlling the weather and all... wait a sec... Alexnder DID that already XD
Title: Re:CASSIMA!
Post by: Lollotte on July 14, 2005, 11:10:07 AM
Yeah, I know, but he only controlled a small-scale weather storm. I think it would be interesting if Cassima and a band of sorcerers conjured El Nino or someting.  ;D
Title: Re:CASSIMA!
Post by: Raforever on July 15, 2005, 03:54:10 PM
now THAT`S a storm  :D

but why would they create such a storm? to fight an evil warlock or something?  :)


Or just for "show and tell'? XD
Title: Re:CASSIMA!
Post by: Lollotte on July 15, 2005, 08:15:46 PM
but why would they create such a storm? to fight an evil warlock or something?  :)

Maybe. Or maybe Alexander is being held captive in an ice prison by a tribe of faceless and omnipotent necromancers with no hope of escape. Then, a lightning bolt from Cassima's conjured storm comes down and strikes the prison, disintegrating it, causing confusion, and allowing Alexander to escape unharmed.

Or it could be for a completely different reason  ;).

Any suggestions, KQIX peeps?
Title: Re: CASSIMA!
Post by: Lollotte on September 20, 2005, 10:12:15 PM
Sorry for double posting, but there's an exciting new Cassima development: on the wallpaper, it says Cassima is Alexander's "guiding light...his downfall." What's that supposed to mean?  :o
Title: Re: CASSIMA!
Post by: awesomeasapossum on September 21, 2005, 06:13:24 AM
That she helps Alexander to the point where he'll do anything and she makes the wrong decision killing or hurting him. Although maybe the "his downfall" means that she is the reason he looks so gooofy with his hair all spiked up...
Title: Re:CASSIMA!
Post by: Vizier Alhazred on September 22, 2005, 08:05:21 AM
I like Cassima she wasn't your classic damsel in distress, she stabbed the Vixer afterall! :) It will be very cool to see how this story develops :)

Egad did that hurt!

Although I have to admit that I like Cassima very much as a character. She seems to be a strong-willed young woman. ;D
Title: Re: CASSIMA!
Post by: KingGraham on October 05, 2005, 05:39:27 PM
Could Cassima be in cahoots with the Black Cloak Society? I mean, she was about to marry Alhazredand whe was captuered by Mordak (however you spell that), who is also evil... maybe she married Alexander to get close to the royal family of daventry!
Title: Re: CASSIMA!
Post by: Lollotte on October 08, 2005, 04:42:48 PM
Hmmm...I doubt that. Maybe she's being used without her knowledge! How would that work, though?
Title: Re: CASSIMA!
Post by: Raforever on October 08, 2005, 07:08:26 PM
maybe the vizer (sp?) knows something that we don't ;)

His trail will be in game right? :P
Title: Re: CASSIMA!
Post by: Deloria on October 10, 2005, 05:06:48 PM
Well, we'll never know now. Because we'll never be able to play the game!
Title: Re: CASSIMA!
Post by: Jafar on October 10, 2005, 05:18:14 PM
Cheer up! Alls not lost yet! Just keep your spirits up, and keep on supporting the team!
Title: Re: CASSIMA!
Post by: Lollotte on October 11, 2005, 12:45:42 PM
Yeah. We may be able to play it yet!
Title: Re: CASSIMA!
Post by: Shadowfax on October 16, 2005, 02:12:46 PM
Exactly! (Even if they have to alter name/locations...I think we would understand who Princess "Casio" is!)  ;)

Besides...(in a very quiet voice) I am working on my own KQIX project (along with several hundred other things...but still!)
Will be posting my survey polls later this week to help me create a better game for you all...how I would release it in the face of all this controversy over the "official" KQIX remake I have no idea but still...

Anyway, for the moment we can still speculate on our ideal KQ Cassima!

I have stated my views already...lets hear some more!  :)

P.S 900th Post!!!
Title: Re: CASSIMA!
Post by: Lollotte on October 17, 2005, 09:57:28 PM
I agree!

Now what elements of Cassima's personality are your favorites, KQ peeps?
Title: Re: CASSIMA!
Post by: Moodyblues on October 18, 2005, 03:28:18 PM
I particularly liked how she was brave enough to stab the Vizier to save Alexander, and yet she was compassionate enough to spare the villain's life.  :yes:
Title: Re: CASSIMA!
Post by: Shadowfax on October 25, 2005, 05:20:06 PM
Yup admirable I have to admit...especially since in the story he murdered her parents!

(Although I am pretty sure there would be a fair number in the Crown's upper echelons who would quite happily have ensured the Vizier was hung/drawn/quartered for his treachary)
Title: Re: CASSIMA!
Post by: awesomeasapossum on October 25, 2005, 06:47:57 PM
Well, we'll never know now. Because we'll never be able to play the game!

*GASP*

DELORIA! YOu should go sit in the corner for that one. Haven't you watched my video??????? (Click on the words KQIX Forever in my sig)
Title: Re: CASSIMA!
Post by: TribeHasSpoken on December 05, 2005, 07:38:24 PM
What has me suspicious is that the trailer, captions for screenshots etc, all seemed to indicate that (at least from the point of view of the other characters) something tragic had happened to Alexander. Yet, Cassima isn't seen to react as one might expect.
Title: Re: CASSIMA!
Post by: Storm on December 06, 2005, 05:28:21 AM
But how can you tell anything about her reaction from those? ???
And just because they don't show her break down and cry doesn't mean she doesn't care, maybe she's simply being brave about it. After all, she's the queen! she can't just snap and demoralize her people even further in their darkest hour.
Title: Re: CASSIMA!
Post by: koko_99_2001 on December 06, 2005, 05:33:08 AM
OR...what if the clips that have been shown don't show her reaction to what's happened...because maybe the clips are from before whatever is going on with Alexander actually happened?
Title: Re: CASSIMA!
Post by: Storm on December 07, 2005, 02:54:06 PM
Could be, Alexander and Rosella also appear in the trailer in what seems to be happy "before" pictures. But I'd like to think Cassima's scene on the balcony there is where she gives the speech from the online audition, telling her people not to lose hope after their king has gone ;)
Title: Re: CASSIMA!
Post by: TrueCrusader on December 12, 2005, 07:07:27 PM
I bet that cassima will be kiddnapped and replaced by a double, that would how she would be alexs downfall... or maybe she gets kiddnapped and alex has to save her thus dieing himself...


BTW

I didn't like how she spared vizier alhazred in the 6th kq, i mean the man is a wizard and a murderer he might be able to get out and murder more people.
Title: Re: CASSIMA!
Post by: Jafar on December 13, 2005, 02:02:56 AM
The good guys HAVE to spare the villains whenever possible, or the bad guys will use that "you're just as much of a murderer as I am" mind game. :P
Title: Re: CASSIMA!
Post by: TrueCrusader on December 13, 2005, 10:48:09 AM
aaaaaahhhhhhhh the mind games. never can stand the mind games ;D
Title: Re: CASSIMA!
Post by: Lollotte on December 17, 2005, 01:23:55 PM
I think Cassima would SAVE Alex rather than break down and cry.
Title: Re: CASSIMA!
Post by: Dirk Delshire on January 02, 2006, 05:05:45 AM
I hope they don't make her evil like the trailers seem to hint at.
KQ VI was my first sierra game and at a young age I had a crush on Cassima. I always seemed to put myself in the hero's shoes and mindset when I play games. LOL
Title: Re: CASSIMA!
Post by: Farquhar on January 03, 2006, 01:13:38 AM
I hope they don't make her evil like the trailers seem to hint at.
KQ VI was my first sierra game and at a young age I had a crush on Cassima. I always seemed to put myself in the hero's shoes and mindset when I play games. LOL

LOL, same here.  XD
Title: Re: CASSIMA!
Post by: Shadowfax on January 11, 2006, 02:26:07 PM
Hehehe, no such foolishness affected me  ;) But then again real life is so miserable at times who wouldn't want to be a handsome young brute going away to an exotic isle to rescue a pretty lady princess you met for all of 5 minutes on your previous escapade!  ;)

As for the good guys sparing the bad guys; well, to be honest, what human being  of a hero in this day and age believes that the bad guys need to be spared; if a bad guy slays 7000 people and has every intention of killing more, then frankly you are saving the world from VASTLY more grief; you aint no murderer, merely doing the job that needs to be done! Thus, the bad guys can stuff their mind games up their....  ;D
 
Title: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Deloria on February 03, 2006, 11:00:10 AM
(Suffer smilies are banned from this poll.) It says on the wallpaper (http://www.postudios.com/archivedTSL/media/wallpapers/KQIX-cassima-800x600.jpg) that Cassima will be Alexander's downfall. How?



EDIT: Added link to wallpaper. :)
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Yonkey on February 03, 2006, 11:07:49 AM
No suffer smilies?!  Awwww... :'(

;P
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Warlock on February 03, 2006, 11:18:32 AM

Cézar's always joking  :suffer:
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: koko_99_2001 on February 03, 2006, 11:33:20 AM
Cesar is joking :P
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Moodyblues on February 03, 2006, 01:14:18 PM
She's Alexander's downfall, but it's not her fault.  I suspect that he loves her so much that he can't do whatever's necessary to save their kingdom.

Also, some of the pictures of Cassima seem to suggest that she's pregnant.  Maybe Cesar really means that the new baby will be Alexander's undoing somehow.

In any case, I chose the second option.  :P  Meh.
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: koko_99_2001 on February 03, 2006, 02:09:53 PM

Also, some of the pictures of Cassima seem to suggest that she's pregnant.  Maybe Cesar really means that the new baby will be Alexander's undoing somehow.


They do? Which ones? I hadn't noticed that :)
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Moodyblues on February 03, 2006, 02:29:08 PM
I think it was her first 3D Art-of-the-Week picture.  Now that I've taken another look at it, she doesn't seem as "big" as I remember.

I still stand by my baby theory, though; after all they've been through, Graham and Valanice deserve some grandkids! :)
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Rosella on February 03, 2006, 03:31:47 PM
I agree with Moodyblues. I don't think Cassima could be intentionally evil.
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Yonkey on February 03, 2006, 03:53:08 PM
The last one kind of sounds like a soap opera. ;P
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: awesomeasapossum on February 03, 2006, 03:57:47 PM
XD Except it has to include someone's baby being an alien.
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Erik on February 03, 2006, 08:24:28 PM
Couldn't it also be possible that Cassima is caught cheating on Alexander, then all hell breaks loose?   ???
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Moodyblues on February 03, 2006, 11:31:44 PM
Shadrack is an evil alien imprisoned in the Isle of the Crown dungeons.  Cassima falls in love with him.  After becoming pregnant with Shadrack's child, she helps him escape.  Alexander loves Cassima and her child so much that he can't do what needs to be done to save his kingdom.  Finally, however, he kills her as a traitor after she gives birth.  In his state of grief-stricken madness, he sends the baby away to live with strangers.  However, Shadrack finds the baby and raises him/her to become Alexander's traitorous advisor.  Shadrack's child corrupts Alexander, and soon the country is sent into disarray.  Finally, the repentant Cassima comes back as a ghost and kills Alexander to save her kingdom.

...oh, and, um, Cesar was joking.  :P
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Deloria on February 04, 2006, 05:45:39 AM
That's imaginitive.  :P
Title: Re: CASSIMA!
Post by: Erik on February 05, 2006, 11:18:58 AM
It feels so suspenceful... ohh <faints>
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: racx_00 on February 06, 2006, 04:13:34 AM
His love for Cassima clouds his judgement, or something similar I'm guessing :-\
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Lollotte on February 06, 2006, 07:46:23 PM
I agree with racx, although I believe Cassima is too good to do any harm, and Cesar is joking.  :P
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Cez on February 06, 2006, 09:51:40 PM
I aint a joker when it comes to promoting material ;)

as far as why is she "his downfall", I'm not saying. Who said anyhow I was talking about Alexander? or was I? hmmm....

 :suffer:

oh c'mon, you guys just make it too easy for me to use pretty little suffer!
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: TribeHasSpoken on February 06, 2006, 09:56:51 PM
as far as why is she "his downfall", I'm not saying. Who said anyhow I was talking about Alexander? or was I? hmmm....

It's seemed obvious to me that the "his downfall" part referred to Leisure Suit Larry, who quite literally falls down after Cassima throws him out the window of the Castle of the Crown while rejecting his lecherous advances.
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Moodyblues on February 07, 2006, 08:35:29 AM
as far as why is she "his downfall", I'm not saying. Who said anyhow I was talking about Alexander? or was I? hmmm....

It's seemed obvious to me that the "his downfall" part referred to Leisure Suit Larry, who quite literally falls down after Cassima throws him out the window of the Castle of the Crown while rejecting his lecherous advances.

*giggles uncontrollably*
"C'mon, baby, you're my shining light!"
"Jerk!" 
*Slap!  Toss!  Plummet!*
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: dark-daventry on February 07, 2006, 02:11:02 PM
I chose the last option... I don't know why...

as far as why is she "his downfall", I'm not saying. Who said anyhow I was talking about Alexander? or was I? hmmm....

It's seemed obvious to me that the "his downfall" part referred to Leisure Suit Larry, who quite literally falls down after Cassima throws him out the window of the Castle of the Crown while rejecting his lecherous advances.

*giggles uncontrollably*
"C'mon, baby, you're my shining light!"
"Jerk!" 
*Slap!  Toss!  Plummet!*

Now that is funny!

"Ow, that hurt, Baby! C'mon! Me and you are meant to be! Dump that jerk Alexander!"

*Glass Bottle breaking, smashing on Larry*

"What'd you do that for? You could'a killed me!"

(Sometimes I crack myself up!)
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Master Ghost on February 07, 2006, 04:45:00 PM
Cassima can't be his downfall she is to good.
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Deloria on February 08, 2006, 06:48:18 AM
I aint a joker when it comes to promoting material ;)

as far as why is she "his downfall", I'm not saying. Who said anyhow I was talking about Alexander? or was I? hmmm....

 :suffer:

oh c'mon, you guys just make it too easy for me to use pretty little suffer!
You violated the rule!  :o No suffers in this thread! And it has to be Alexander becuase it's HIS QUEEN, it's not likely that Larry lives in the kingdom of the green isles.
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: koko_99_2001 on February 08, 2006, 08:41:32 AM
I aint a joker when it comes to promoting material ;)

as far as why is she "his downfall", I'm not saying. Who said anyhow I was talking about Alexander? or was I? hmmm....

 :suffer:

oh c'mon, you guys just make it too easy for me to use pretty little suffer!
You violated the rule!  :o No suffers in this thread! And it has to be Alexander becuase it's HIS QUEEN, it's not likely that Larry lives in the kingdom of the green isles.

BUT...and I just had this thought...what if it's not referring to King Alexander? What if it's referring to someone who is a subject to the King and Queen of the Green Isles? *raised eyebrow*
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Deloria on February 09, 2006, 09:40:50 AM
C'mon how could she be some peasants' downfall? :P
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Moodyblues on February 09, 2006, 04:25:24 PM
Maybe the "peasant" is Connor, in which case I doubt that we'd care about his downfall. *shrug*

...Unless, of course, Connor receives some major character development.  I see some potential in him. :)
Title: Re: CASSIMA!
Post by: Master Ghost on February 09, 2006, 06:22:56 PM
Well if we knew then we wouldn't be discussing about this!!!!!
Title: Re: CASSIMA!
Post by: Master Ghost on February 09, 2006, 06:25:32 PM
By the way there is another discussion about this topic with a poll!!!!!
But even then it is just all speculation.  ::)
Title: Re: CASSIMA!
Post by: Rosedragon on February 10, 2006, 03:42:47 PM
Hey, just wanted to say I like Cassima but Rosella still remains my favorite. I will soon be back working on my fanfictions. I need to get to the part where the bad guys ruin everything, then the heroes pick themselves up to go on a quest to save the world.......Please read my fanfics. I'd also like to make a manga/comic book time thing...I'm writing the story for it, need to draw pics. of course it's my own story.
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Rosedragon on February 14, 2006, 11:30:27 AM
Maybe Cassima is a victim? Perhaps a bad guy threatens to hurt her unless Alexander do such-and-such bad things to save her.
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Deloria on March 06, 2006, 08:52:42 AM
But what's Connor doing in the green isles? :P
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Elessar on March 06, 2006, 08:58:11 PM
But what's Connor doing in the green isles? :P
Where'd you get that? ??? But IIRC, he was knighted or something, and thus he might travel with Graham / The Royal Family for protection.
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Storm on March 11, 2006, 10:33:45 AM
She means, Cassima would be Connor's queen only if he moved to The Green Isles... which is all the less likely, now that he has a job as the captain of the royal guard in Daventry :P
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Baggins on March 11, 2006, 10:57:08 AM
"But IIRC, he was knighted or something, and thus he might travel with Graham / The Royal Family for protection."

That was according to Romancing the Stones. Though its possible and likely that TSL isn't following that idea at all, as they have stated they are trying to stick closer to the official story, rather than the remake. ...or has it been specifically mentioned that TSL has decided to have Connor knighted in Daventry rather than still living up in Realm of the Sun as the Champion Eternal, True Upholder, Enlightened One, etc etc.

I know that according to TSL team they have him married to Sarah. But don't know if he moved back to Daventry or not?
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Aldrius on March 11, 2006, 07:00:13 PM
It could be talking about Abdul. Cassima WAS almost his queen, and it was through her help that he was defeated by Alexander. (Though those guard dogs sure took a long time to climb those stairs after Shamir was gone, though he might have subdued them beforehand.)
Title: Re: CASSIMA!
Post by: Aldrius on March 11, 2006, 07:26:14 PM
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I didn't like how she spared vizier alhazred in the 6th kq, i mean the man is a wizard and a murderer he might be able to get out and murder more people.

Actually, Abdul wasn't a wizard. He was just cunning and had a genie. He didn't seem to be too horrific a murderer, he only killed the King and Queen, he wasn't commiting genocide or anything. Eh. He's not very dangerous without any power, anyway. He's pretty much stuck in that dungeon unless Shadrack gets him out or he gets his hands on something powerful.

I kinda liked Cassima. She was certainly more uh... adventurous than Valanice. But I thought Rosella was much more... uh... practical? Cassima seems to me to be such a wimp. I hope they don't have her do anything like concocting a tropical storm with the druids or whatever. Not because she's a woman, but because it just doesn't seem like something she'd have been able to do in KQ6. She stabbed the vizer with a dagger from behind, that doesn't take much...eh.
Title: Re: CASSIMA!
Post by: Deloria on March 11, 2006, 08:09:55 PM
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I didn't like how she spared vizier alhazred in the 6th kq, i mean the man is a wizard and a murderer he might be able to get out and murder more people.

Actually, Abdul wasn't a wizard. He was just cunning and had a genie. He didn't seem to be too horrific a murderer, he only killed the King and Queen, he wasn't commiting genocide or anything. Eh. He's not very dangerous without any power, anyway. He's pretty much stuck in that dungeon unless Shadrack gets him out or he gets his hands on something powerful.


For some reason killing the King and Queen seems almost just a tiny weeny itsy-bitsy bit treasonous doesn't it? :P
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Dangling Participle on March 11, 2006, 09:57:01 PM
...or has it been specifically mentioned that TSL has decided to have Connor knighted in Daventry rather than still living up in Realm of the Sun as the Champion Eternal, True Upholder, Enlightened One, etc etc.

According to the letters published by TSL team, Connor will be knighted as Captain of the Royal Guard in Daventry, so it seems he'll be living at the kingdom:

http://www.postudios.com/archivedTSL/media/letters/letter2.html (http://www.postudios.com/archivedTSL/media/letters/letter2.html)

http://www.postudios.com/archivedTSL/media/letters/letter3.html (http://www.postudios.com/archivedTSL/media/letters/letter3.html)

http://www.postudios.com/archivedTSL/media/letters/letter4.html (http://www.postudios.com/archivedTSL/media/letters/letter4.html)

Now... if Connor moved to the Green Isles it could be possible that Cassima was his downfall, or even his guiding light... but his queen?? :P
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Jafar on March 12, 2006, 01:07:47 AM
Maybe she's different things to different people? :P
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Deloria on March 12, 2006, 02:02:00 AM
So, speculation time: Cassima is Connor's downfall.
Cassima is Alexander's queen.
Cassima is Abdul's giuding light (out of the prison?:P)
Title: Re: CASSIMA!
Post by: Aldrius on March 12, 2006, 09:17:33 AM
Of course. :P But it's not like if he gets his hands on a knife he's going to go running around stabbing civilians.
Title: Re: CASSIMA!
Post by: Baggins on March 12, 2006, 10:47:20 AM
If it Abdul Alhazred had any form of magic it seems limited to his enchantment of the door, with the Ali Zebu mantra. Then again he might have had Shamir enchant the door for him.

Course if Abdul Alhazred is the same Abdul Alhazred that wrote the Necromicon(King's Quest Companion refrence), well he may know more than we give him credit...

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he only killed the King and Queen, he wasn't commiting genocide or anything

Well he commmited Regicide..
Title: Re: CASSIMA!
Post by: Deloria on March 12, 2006, 10:51:06 AM
I never read that...What exactly is it anyway?
Title: Re: CASSIMA!
Post by: Baggins on March 12, 2006, 10:56:23 AM
Necronomicon?

Its an book of Dark Magic in the world of Daventry according to the King's Quest Companion. It was written by someone known as the "mad Arab Abdul Alhazred".  It contains knowledge so terrible that a mere glance at the illustrations and illuminations in the text drives many to madness.

The book is also known as the Al Azif.

Both Abdul Alhazred, and Necronomicon are refrefrences a character and book, originally created by H.P. Lovecraft in one of his stories. Interesting trivia if anyone is interested where Roberta Williams got the name for the character.


In Lovecraft lore its full of dark rituals and spells related to Old Gods, and from what I remember looking at its pages may cause the reader to go mad(hence the explanation above from the companion).

You might remember a similar book in QFG4.

Its a point to ponder if the Mad Arab mentioned in King's Quest Companion, is the same Abdul Alhazred from KQ6, or did his parents just name him after the other guy.

In anycase the Abdul Alhazred we are most acquainted seems to be more of the political dignitary than a wizard. If he does know alot of magic, or at least a few "parlor tricks", he is probably the type not to flaunt it, and get his hands dirty, but rather uses others to do his work for him.

Also its interesting point that Companion makes about Abdul's and Shadrack's plans for the Green Isles;

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But it seems the plans for that little kingdom of yours are coming along, you seem to have the destruction of the kingdom well in hand.


It appears Genocide may have been part of black cloak's ultimate plans for the nation.
Title: Re: CASSIMA!
Post by: Deloria on March 12, 2006, 11:08:08 AM
Are you talking about the book in the monastary? Though, as I recall, it just said where the rituals were located and cult secrets, it also "made your head hurt" according to the narrator. :P
Title: Re: CASSIMA!
Post by: Baggins on March 12, 2006, 11:10:01 AM
Ya, that book in the monastery, the "The Necrophilicon" was inspired by the Necronomicon.
Title: Re: CASSIMA!
Post by: Aldrius on March 12, 2006, 11:19:08 AM
How much do we know about what the Black Cloak want? it seems to me like their seperate bodies who work together on certain things. For instance, Abdul sending Cassima away to Mordack for safe keeping. Besides KQ2+, it doesn't seem like anyone told Abdul to send Cassima to Mordack, Abdul just asked him. So I'd assume they're more of a brotherhood. Perhaps with a uh... chancellor? to keep the peace, but the different bodies atleast appear seperate.

So I think it comes down to what Abdul wants: Power. Having just played the game, I don't remember Shadrack using the word 'destruction'. However it could be something along the lines of the Lion King. Where simply through the dark Vizer's rule the land will crumble.

None of them appear to have any sort of reason for being so immoral.
Title: Re: CASSIMA!
Post by: Baggins on March 12, 2006, 11:31:37 AM
"Abdul sending Cassima away to Mordack for safe keeping. Besides KQ2+, it doesn't seem like anyone told Abdul to send Cassima to Mordack, Abdul just asked him."

Actually Mordack asked Abdul, remember, it was Mordack that wanted to marry Cassima. Cassima explains this in KQ5. Additionally we learn from Companion that Shadrack had asked Abdul for Cassima as well, either alive or dead, because he had certain "peculiar interests". However Abdul turned him down, becaue Cassima had a strange way of returning where she wasn't wanted, thus why he had plans to kill her after he married her(to make sure she was eliminated for good).

"I don't remember Shadrack using the word 'destruction'."

Its an expansion to the game's plot in Companion. It doesn't appear in the game itself. Its based off of material that didn't make it into the game, that the author was able to work into the companion.
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Storm on March 13, 2006, 11:36:09 PM
Come on, Cesar is just messing with your heads...
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar ::)
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Baggins on March 14, 2006, 07:34:38 AM
So in TSL, Connor is now Captain of the Guard eh?

What happened to Roderick, ;)?
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: TheReturnofDMD on March 14, 2006, 02:45:55 PM
Anyone ever think...King Arthur, Launcelot, and Guinevere, relating to a possible Alexander, Cassima, Connor situation. I mean, it would be a great tie in to classic mythology/folk lore, which is something the King's Quest series was always about, and it would be a great, dramatic plot line.
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Storm on March 15, 2006, 05:15:57 AM
So in TSL, Connor is now Captain of the Guard eh?

What happened to Roderick, ;)?

Maybe he retired... or got promoted to a cushy desk job.
Minister of Defense, possibly ;)


Anyone ever think...King Arthur, Launcelot, and Guinevere, relating to a possible Alexander, Cassima, Connor situation. I mean, it would be a great tie in to classic mythology/folk lore, which is something the King's Quest series was always about, and it would be a great, dramatic plot line.

If you're going for a king-queen-knight triangle, it would fit in better with Graham and Valanice since Connor is their knight, not Alexander and Cassima's. Besides, in TSL Connor is married to Sarah, so it would be a square rather than a triangle ;P
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Aldrius on March 15, 2006, 11:37:47 AM
I still think that the quote is just reffering to Abdul. On all counts.

She was his queen (Well, almost), his shining light into ruling the kingdom, and she stabbed him, causing his downfall. Of course it could be anyone in the Land of the Green Isles, as she is THE queen.
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Storm on March 16, 2006, 05:26:40 AM
I still think that the quote is just reffering to Abdul. On all counts.

She was his queen (Well, almost), his shining light into ruling the kingdom, and she stabbed him, causing his downfall. Of course it could be anyone in the Land of the Green Isles, as she is THE queen.

But all those are things that already happened in KQ6, and the wallpapers (well, most of them) seem to be about things that will happen (or, be revealed) in TSL.
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Rosedragon on March 19, 2006, 08:08:15 PM
I hope I will not have to wait for 3 more years for KQIX to come out. I am so excited and eager to find out what happens to my beloved royal family. Cassima is pretty cool, I don't think she would intentionally hurt Alexander. What about a Connor/Rosella/Edgar/Sarah square?  :P

Ew...I find it hard to even think that Rosella would find Connor attractive. She probably likes a guy she can dominate, like Edgar. Who the heck is Roderick?
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Baggins on March 20, 2006, 06:47:57 PM
Roderick = Captain of the Royal guard in Floating Castle.
Title: "His Queen, His Guiding Light, His Downfall"
Post by: jam3s on May 31, 2006, 08:35:50 PM
NOTE: I didnt see a topic like this, but if there is you can merge them or whatever.

This is sort of character development and plot speculation of Cassima and Alexander, mainly Cassima. We know from the wallpapers that Alexander has somehow gotten mixed up in the dark arts and that Cassima is his downfall. There is obviously a secret side to Cassima. We don't know what Mordack did to her while she was in that castle, or how her mind has been warped from her tragic life. She no doubt picked up some tips on the dark arts while living in Mordack's castle too.I think that Alex was curious about the dark arts and Cassima somehow encouraged that, wheter on purpose or not. We also know Edgar got turned into a beast. Could Alex somehow be responsible for this?

I personally like Cassima. It would be awful to me if she got mixed up in the dark arts. But it would certinatly be a nice plot twist.

I don't even know. This is mainly just speculation about their relationship and background...
Title: Re: "His Queen, His Guiding Light, His Downfall"
Post by: jam3s on May 31, 2006, 08:36:45 PM
Aghhhhh. I LOVE how as soon as I post this I scroll down and see like the exact same thread. Ugh. I somehow missed that. I need some sleep.
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Rosella on June 01, 2006, 03:40:34 AM
Edgar didn't get turned into a beast. That was Beast. (XD) He has an actual name, but I forgot. :P Beauty is the one next to him, not Rosella.

I do think the rest of your theory is interesting though. :-\
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: dark-daventry on June 01, 2006, 04:47:50 AM
It is a nice theory!
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Boogeyman on June 02, 2006, 12:02:50 AM
Edgar didn't get turned into a beast. That was Beast. (XD) He has an actual name, but I forgot. :P Beauty is the one next to him, not Rosella.

I do think the rest of your theory is interesting though. :-\

His name is Prince Cocteau the Thrice Blessed.
I would like to know why he is a beast again after Alexander changed him back.
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: koko_99_2001 on June 02, 2006, 04:59:37 AM
I'm sure there's a really good reason for it :angel:  :suffer:
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Yonkey on June 02, 2006, 08:55:39 AM
I'm sure there's a really good reason for it :angel:  :suffer:
Heh heh heh... :suffer:
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Deloria on June 02, 2006, 09:29:23 AM
I have a theory...:P

Beauty's pregnant!! ANd it shocked him so much that he turned back into a beast :P
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: jam3s on June 03, 2006, 02:30:07 PM
-feels really stupid-

Ah, well.
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: angel0fmus1c on April 09, 2007, 05:47:41 PM
What if Cassima is maybe kidnapped and Alexander believes that the only way to save her is to become involved in the dark arts? And then those dark arts corrupt his mind and soul so he is no longer the Alexander we know and love?

Somehow I just can't see Cassima intentionally causing Alexander's downfall... ???
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Rosella on April 09, 2007, 10:07:51 PM
I still refuse to believe that Alexander is really changed. I just think we see parts of him we haven't seen. I hate to do this shameless-self-promoting thing, but you can check out my KQ3 story in Fan Fiction to see what I think of the darkness in his past. I do think that Angel's idea makes sense otherwise though. Alexander was shown so much hatred and no compassion growing up, and suddenly, there's this girl who he loves but, for some reason, she loves him too. Anyone who's even been in love can relate to that. :P He still probably can't grasp the concept, but he would give anything for her. The ends he would go to to see her smile are probably beyond anything any of us could imagine. This would make her a PRIME way to hurt Alexander. I mean, if you had nothing but pain and torment, and suddenly, you realized you had someone that made each day exciting and beautiful, someone you'd give your life for, and then someone tries to hurt her?

Two words: Watch out. :P

Alexander would do ANYTHING for her and would DIE without her. I've made some pretty bold posts about character, and this is one I'm not very sure about, but I'm almost positive all reactions to something happening to Cassima would be strong, so strong he'd barely be able to see anything else.
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: tessspoon on April 09, 2007, 10:59:05 PM
I've kinda of always seen as it as a sorta of combination of both... that there are dark parts of Alexander that we have not yet seen and will in TSL, and that whatever the events that occur in TSL are complicate them and make them much worse, bring them to the surface, resulting in him being tempted to do some things he would never have even considered otherwise. Makes me wonder who in the world Alexander will come out of all this being...
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Bludshot on April 11, 2007, 03:57:29 PM
Maybe Cassima will become pregnant.  Alexander will have a vision of Cassima dying in childbirth.  So he learns the dark arts from Shadrack, become evil and murder all the guard dogs.  Then Graham will defeat Alexander in an epic battle, but Alexander won't be quite dead.  Alexander will be infused with evil magic and become Darth Alex.  Cassima will give birth to twins and die.  And Shadrack will rule the Galax...er....Daventry. >__>
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: angel0fmus1c on April 11, 2007, 04:06:34 PM
hmmmm.....Now where have I heard that one before?? ;)
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: PirateKingChris on April 11, 2007, 04:23:16 PM
Tee hee.
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Jafar on April 13, 2007, 06:41:27 AM
This (http://jafar.jaradaknights.com/albums/userpics/ReturnoftheHeir.PNG) is why I should stay out of speculation topics. :P
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Bludshot on April 13, 2007, 08:02:00 PM
This (http://jafar.jaradaknights.com/albums/userpics/ReturnoftheHeir.PNG) is why I should stay out of speculation topics. :P

Hehe.

> use the force on mannanan
I don't understand "force"
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: angel0fmus1c on April 14, 2007, 04:38:14 PM
Alexander Skywalker and Darth Manannan...rofl XB
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: riveraeg on April 23, 2007, 04:58:14 PM
I am n00b in this forum, so my ideas could be at somewhat misinformed. 

I saw the wallpapers and a couple of the forum post, and I this is my personal speculation but I read somewhere that each of the three main characters is going to have a challenge.  If I have to guess each challenge should correspond to the character itself.  Hence, Rosella being the most “immature” out of all the character is probably going to make the “mature” or hardest decision because it is what correlates to each character.

I see Alexander as a romantic figure, in terms that he is the long lost prince and the prince that rescues and damsel in distress.  Romantic people are portrayed in a good light however, not everything about them is good.    Romantic people tend to be very emotional and sometimes loose reason, Alexander being now in a position of authority cannot let his emotion get the best of him or hence he would lead his Kingdom in to disaster.  Cassima might be a part of this, because someone light and inspiration does not mean that is a positive light.  Remember Alexander fate is to redeem Cassima from darkness it does not mention how he accomplish, for all we know Cassima might still be surrounded in darkness or Alexander traded his place for Cassima.

The whole Master of Darkness thing does not necessary mean that he is evil,  remember Alexander had a dark past and he might have some dark tendencies, conquering this darkness might let him to master the darkness. 

If I was writing Alexander’s challenge for the next games I would have to believe that it might be more a internal challenge with his past and possibly Cassima darkness.  The question that I would answer depending how each person play is he strong enough to win against that darkness. 

In summary, I would have to say that Cassima role might be paramount to make Alexander face his darkness either by his past, his feelings or both. 

Either way I can’t wait for the release of the game to see the details.

Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: Shades2585 on April 23, 2007, 08:54:27 PM
Nicely said and very well thought out. Welcome Riveraeg! :D
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: koko_99_2001 on April 24, 2007, 05:29:51 AM
Welcome Riveraeg!

You speculation sounds great! And it's a very good possibility that you're right. Now people, don't quote me! I'm speculating as well! But what he said makes sense, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
Post by: angel0fmus1c on April 25, 2007, 05:25:10 PM
I agree. And I can't wait either.

Welcome Riveraeg! Don't worry, you'll get used to us pretty quickly! ;)