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Title: The modern Adventure Game
Post by: Savant on August 17, 2002, 01:10:54 PM
I've been wondering. If adventure games were to take a new path. What would be the best way for them to go? How could someone modernize adventure games without upsetting adventure fans? ( ex. KQ8 )

Or would it be best if Adventure games stayed 3rd person, point and click... forever?
Title: Re: The modern Adventure Game
Post by: Cez on August 17, 2002, 08:09:29 PM
Virtual Reality!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

;D


Title: Re: The modern Adventure Game
Post by: Say on August 17, 2002, 08:12:20 PM
I like a lot either way you know, I've played many games in 3rd person by now that perhaps I'm more used to it to it, but 1st person is awesome too, even more when they got elaborated inventory and stuff.
As long as It gets to be a nice adventure i don't mind how I guess  ;)
Title: Re: The modern Adventure Game
Post by: Rick_Florez on August 18, 2002, 03:49:10 AM
Thats a question the KQ9 design team has been asking themselves since we started.  With KQ9 we want to try to bring adventure gaming to a new level but the real question is how do you do that?  Are you obligated to use a 3rd person KQ MOE type camera, how do you make the interface, what elements of the old games truly made them the way they are.  So many questions, and as we experiment and see what works what does not, we'll define what we consider new age adventure gaming.  Needless to say its one of our main concerns in developing our game.

One thing I know is that I think 3D techonology is only now and barely at that coming to a point where it could make a good KQ.  I found that Mask of Eternity suffered from primitive graphics, even for the time, and in order to make a KQ truly worthy of being called KQ you would need to use an engine that truly creates a massive world and the only engine presently out there I would see doing that is the Dark Age of Camelot engine but even then we would be better off waiting for Everquest 2 or DAOC 2, those engines I have heard kick ass.
Title: Re: The modern Adventure Game
Post by: Say on August 18, 2002, 06:24:24 PM
when I started here I had the feeling that you might use a 3d engine anyways, nowdays it has became so appealing for everything not only adventure games, but to any kind of game.
and when it comes to 1st or 3rd person I guess only graphics won't save a quality's game, it depends on so many things I think.

It's about a balance, a game with the best technology and with no meaning or anything is just so insignficant as a good good one that's not very well designed I guess.
Title: Re: The modern Adventure Game
Post by: cpunps2master on August 20, 2002, 02:00:16 AM
You could make the game console orientated...but I doubt that- although PS2, Xbox, and Game Cube's graphics engines are very advanced, they are also very hard to program- especially with a common pc or workstation...
Title: Re: The modern Adventure Game
Post by: Say on August 28, 2002, 10:44:37 PM
Storm is damn right, a good game should have it all, and not just focus in one single thing, and yes, I do think too that the most nice and popular games are usually a good balance among the needs of what it takes a cool game.
Hey I've heard once about this fandango game, is it cool?? what is it about??
Title: Re: The modern Adventure Game
Post by: Peasant_Girl on August 29, 2002, 04:12:09 PM
I don't know what it is like in other places, but I've kept an eye on computer game stores and the Adventure Gaming Genre is almost dead, if non - existent. THe only thing left is like : "Monkey Island"(the newest version).
I don't know why people don't like adventure/role playing games! :-[
I had always thought they were fun!
I understand that NOW the old KQs and those type of games are technically aged, but why are all the new things comin' out all combat and strategy games like:
"Heros IV," "Diabolo II," "Age of INvasions....etc..etc.."
I'm not saying I don't like them! ON the contrary....
But adventure games have their own beauty too! And I just Can't figure why people don't seem to go for them ???
MAbe it's just Australia!(Mabe it's just ME). :)
Title: Re: The modern Adventure Game
Post by: Say on August 30, 2002, 12:00:54 PM
wow, well now that you mention it is true!!, lately adventure has been something like forgotten, all you can get is strategy games or something, and is not the same.
Im not such like "a big fan" of adventure games, but is true, there should be like more variety about them, I have stoped a bit playing too much pc games, Im into game cube and stuff now and  adventure is not like the most "popular subject" on there either
Title: Re: The modern Adventure Game
Post by: Drunken Chinchilla on September 01, 2002, 02:38:16 AM
Oh yeah I also heard that broken sword 3's coming out on all consoles, and settlers 5 is too. There just isnt the same market in PC gaming that there was 5 years ago.
Title: Re: The modern Adventure Game
Post by: Say on September 01, 2002, 06:44:20 AM
Well right now Im kinda like a gamecube freak, I was all hipnotized with luigi's mansion, then smash bro and now i haven't seen yet mario sunshine but I am SO DYING to play it
I have also seen Spiderman and James bond's games on gamecube and let me tell you... WOW, the graphics are excellent detailed and is like... I dont know to me is just awesome and is like a perfect 3d work or something.
Maybe that's maybe a reason why I left pc games behind, is like there is a new whole world besides pc gaming now and is so much fun to get into it  :)
Title: Console games graphics
Post by: Storm on September 05, 2002, 09:54:51 AM
That's a good point there - why can't computer adventure games have graphics as good as console games like PS2?  ???
aren't todays computers strong enough? and even if they aren't, there must be a way to make them match PS2.
Title: Re: The modern Adventure Game
Post by: Cez on September 05, 2002, 11:50:41 AM
I don't think computers can't have graphics as good as PS2. I think the problem is that computer games don't sell as much as PS2 games do, so PS2 games companies, can allow themselves the extra time and money to make things better, like Squaresoft and... Final Fantasy...

Final Fantasy...... Final Fantasy.... I need news on Final Fantasy XII.... I need.... play.... I need....

::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: The modern Adventure Game
Post by: Rick_Florez on September 05, 2002, 02:41:59 PM
Thats not really the problem with PC graphics.  The real problem is hardware.  On a PC you can have a infinite number of hardware setups, and some of your clientele probably cannot run high end programs that push the latest techonology to its limits.  Therefore PC game companies have to accept a game standard that is a year or two behind what the newest stuff can do.  Consoles on the other hand are different.  You know that everyone has the exact same hardware, you know exactly what everyone's machine can do so you can push game to the console's limit and sometimes exceed it.  PCs could match it, the problem is not all PCs.  So using that logic consoles will forever have the advantage over PC games.
Title: Re: The modern Adventure Game
Post by: Say on September 05, 2002, 07:36:24 PM
well but if they would do something alike, it would be cool as hell though
Title: Re: The modern Adventure Game
Post by: Drunken Chinchilla on September 06, 2002, 05:55:48 AM
Well yeah thats always the problem. I still wish that they'd make a game for with two versions tho. Like one for top end graphics and one for low end. Hehe you never now we might even have to do this!
Title: Re: The modern Adventure Game
Post by: Storm on September 06, 2002, 07:58:01 AM
That's right - if you wait for software companies to follow ANY standards, you'll be waiting forever.

So OK, not console graphics, but can't they at least make adventure games that have as good graphics as action games? I think Cesar is also right about that - not enough adventure buyers, so not much investment in good adventure graphics. :(
Title: Re: The modern Adventure Game
Post by: Say on September 06, 2002, 03:00:42 PM
Hey guys what do you like the most: Gamecube, Xbox or PS2  ? ? ?

;D Id like to hear everyone's opinion around here
Title: Re: The modern Adventure Game
Post by: Storm on September 07, 2002, 05:25:45 AM
Personally I don't like consoles at all because they don't have any adventure games. Action games always seem, well, a bit pointless to me.
Also, I don't see why someone who has a computer should spend money on consoles, where you can't even copy games.

However, I did play PS once, and kicked my little brother's ass on this game called Tekken 2, so that I kind of liked because usually he's better than me at games that require hand-eye coordination... 8)
Title: Re: The modern Adventure Game
Post by: Cez on September 07, 2002, 10:23:49 AM
My fav's PS2. FINAL FANTASY!

And, actually, they are making interesting games for PS2. Yes, all of them has some action included, but I guess that you get used to it after a while and start enjooying the story.

Oh well... something to fill the gap of adventures games...
Title: Re: The modern Adventure Game
Post by: Drunken Chinchilla on September 08, 2002, 06:04:29 AM
GAMECUBE, GAMECUBE, GAMECUBE.

Well yeah my favs GC but id love to own all 3 really. And yeah there aren't really even any REAL adventure games on them. Even the new broken swords going to feature action in it so oh well I think apart from us the golden era has ended :(:(:(
The reason behind gamecube is just that the games are just plain fun. Super mario sunshine's a prime example of fun that spans all generations. Adults love it and kids love it. I feel that PS2 and Xbox are trying to cater just for adults with games like Halo(which i REALLY REALLY wanna play:))but i suppose GC is following suit with resi evil.
Anyway enough of my ranting how about everyine else. Oh and Cesae....Final fantasy is bound for gamecube this christmas :D:D:D
Title: Re: The modern Adventure Game
Post by: Say on September 08, 2002, 03:13:24 PM
Well storm is not like that, In my case for example, my PC is only a tool of work, I gather here as many programs as I can to work with, as well different programs of entreteiment in order to fill out that void with all the pc software i got, is pretty much about how you gather up the things.
I've used to had installed all at once (now i only got a few) flash, freehand, ilustrator, photoshop, dreamweaver (used to have corel, 3d max and frontpage) page maker and quarkxpress, I do work with high quality images, big files, amd sometimes and my pc does gets slow as well, so honestly I prefer not to use up all my space when I do really need it to all my stuff.
So thats why I dont use it to play pc games anymore, is like easier for me stand up go streach a bit and play something elsewhere  :P
Title: Re: The modern Adventure Game
Post by: Say on September 08, 2002, 03:14:49 PM
I LOVE gamecube too Alex, isnt it cool?? :)

and yeah Im a final fantasy freak too, I LOVE FF9 !  ;D
and oh yeah resident evil rulez! ;)
Title: Re: The modern Adventure Game
Post by: Savant on September 08, 2002, 04:03:06 PM
Well, I gotta say that the PC does have a lot of things that cosoles dont have. In that way I definetly agree with Storm. Consoles are cool because they offer breif advances in game technology. To break them down, the first in the new gen consoles was the DreamCast. Which offered perfect pixel shaders but low frame rates, and of coarse the downfall of Sega didnt help. The there was the GameCube which is still one of the best ones out there, the only problem with it is that , until now, it only had a few decent titles. Which i have to say is what is killing the console scene entirly right now. If you want to play all the good games, you have to have -ALL- the consoles. Like "Rogue Squadron2" or "Res Evil" for the game cube, or "Final Fantasy" for the ps2, and "Halo" for the xbox. The Ps2 offers great frame rates because of it dual processing, but this causes programming issues, and it lacks the anti-aliasing other eye-candy abilities of its competetors. The Xbox was microsofts attempt to claim another monopoly, but as i see it, it wont last long.

All together consoles are all heading in the same direction. The true goal for the gaming industry is a single standard machine that is easy for everyone to program for. Basically its a dell or a hewlette packard but sold not as a computer but as a console. With all the properties of a computer. Like a keyboard, a hard drive, and internet. Truly it is these strengths and the upgradablity that keep the computer ahead of the times. Everyone is picking at this idea now, but as soon as it sticks there wont be a difference between a console or a pc. In a few months a current high-end system will be able to do much more then any console to date. Games utilizing Nvidias new features and their infinitFX engine are gonna blow the ps2 and the Gamecube outta the water.

Makes you wonder what ever happened to the Amiga. The first true gaming console and standardized PC. I miss those days.... *sigh*

I could go on and on about this I'm sure. But If I havent bored or confused you yet, I think I'll save you and stop now.

btw.  "LONG LIVE FinalFantasy!!!!" ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The modern Adventure Game
Post by: Say on September 08, 2002, 04:09:19 PM
YAY, my smart bf!  :D
your biggest post ever hun  ;)

I luv you...  :)
Title: Re: The modern Adventure Game
Post by: Rick_Florez on September 20, 2002, 12:49:19 PM
KQ6 and Wing Commander Privateer; THE BEST COMPUTER GAMES OF ALL TIME!!!

Soul Calibur......BEST CONSOLE GAME EVER!!!!!

Title: Re: The modern Adventure Game
Post by: Rick_Florez on September 20, 2002, 12:51:09 PM
The game I'm still waiting for?

Massive Player Online WING COMMANDER PRIVATEER.

That game kicked ass a decade ago and would be awesome in multiplayer!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The modern Adventure Game
Post by: Say on September 29, 2002, 09:41:07 PM
I f***ing love luigi's mansion and mario sunshine ( I got it btw ;) ), damn console games got too damn good