Hey,
Well I was just thinking, Mannannan was never destroyed..... Do you think that its a possibility that he will be back in the SL? He was my favourite villain so I hope so.
Most likely, as the game is supposed to tie up the loose ends of the series. I hope so anyway, cause he's my favorite villain too, and I don't trust him running around free, even as a cat.
Quite a few old villains are returning so he may well be among them. :)
Really? Which villains do you think will return? :)
I'm guessing; Hagatha, Mannannan, Abdul Alhazred, Perhaps even Mordak??....
I can see it now...a cloud of smoke, and an AGI Manannan appears, complete with the dreaded PC Speaker sounds. XD
Ha! That would be great as a spoof! But you know what, Mannannan really did give me a headache, so I'd like to see a final battle between him and Alexander, Shadrack and Graham, perhaps even Rosella and Hagatha! I really liked the final battle to kings quest 5, so I am kinda hoping that Mordack doesn't return, it seemed fitting his end....
:) :) :)
Just thinking about Manannan can give me chills sometimes. Course, me spending so much time trying to put myself in Alexander's place for my fanfics is probably the main cause of that. A final battle between him and Alexander would be really cool.
But if there was to be a final battle, which I'm sure the brilliant SL team will conjour as they're full of the best ideas and clearly know what we want (hint hint), I hear theres no fighting! magic I'm guessing, what do you think? 8)
Quote from: Jafar on February 20, 2007, 01:00:00 PM
I can see it now...a cloud of smoke, and an AGI Manannan appears, complete with the dreaded PC Speaker sounds. XD
But for some reason he still has whiskers and a tale. XD
Quote from: Shades2585 on February 20, 2007, 04:01:15 PM
Quote from: Jafar on February 20, 2007, 01:00:00 PM
I can see it now...a cloud of smoke, and an AGI Manannan appears, complete with the dreaded PC Speaker sounds. XD
But for some reason he still has whiskers and a tale. XD
And when he tried to tell that tale, he meowed instead? ;)
Quote from: Oldbushie on February 21, 2007, 12:21:02 PM
Quote from: Shades2585 on February 20, 2007, 04:01:15 PM
Quote from: Jafar on February 20, 2007, 01:00:00 PM
I can see it now...a cloud of smoke, and an AGI Manannan appears, complete with the dreaded PC Speaker sounds. XD
But for some reason he still has whiskers and a tale. XD
And when he tried to tell that tale, he meowed instead? ;)
XD
*Gives Manannan a tail.*
I think TSL would be too cheesy if dead villains came back to life. I doubt the return of Hagatha, Mordack, or Malicia (at least as a villain. :P) As for the eternal fate of Manannan and Alhazred, I think we HAVE to know. XD
And, of course, there's Shadrack. ;)
Quote from: Rosella on February 22, 2007, 03:43:44 PM
I think TSL would be too cheesy if dead villains came back to life. I doubt the return of Hagatha,...
Hagatha was in fact never dealt with... no, the human-eating crone was left in her cave in Kolyma, very much alive.
Ah, I wasn't sure on that one. *bets she mixed the original up with the remake or some other heinous crime* XD
She didn't die in the remake either. :P
Hagatha is too awesome to die!
Well, I think if the TSL team has done what everyone wants, then we are likely to see Hagatha, mannannan and Alhazred for personal showdowns in the trilogy. And lets hope you acctually get to combat these dudes for once! Instead of just some shity cus scene.!
Quote from: Jafar on February 22, 2007, 09:56:03 PM
She didn't die in the remake either. :P
In that case, I guess it's safe to assume I'm just crazy. :P
Why are you crazy?! I dont get it! Sorry I'm a slow one!
I don't know if I want Manannan back. Him and his popping up out of nowhere just to kill me >:( (Some of us didn't figure out the clock thing right away :P)
We know Hagatha will at least be mentioned, since she was the one that imprisoned Valanice in that tower.
I think that Mordack and Lolotte are pretty dead, but I guess you never know in that universe (Perhaps after Alexander visited the Realm of the Dead, Death was left a little 'soft').
Abdul was arrested and therefore probably still in the Land of the Green Isles, so he'll probably be in there somewhere.
But am I the only one wondering about Malicia? I've looked through this forum but have found very few posts about her. Granted she's not the most popular of villians, and with good reason too, but still wasn't she sort of adopted by Oberon and Titania? Yet in the demo we saw no baby with them ??? Did they send her to an orphanage, or just get a sitter?
Quote from: Jafar on February 22, 2007, 09:56:03 PM
She didn't die in the remake either. :P
Hehe
Valanice: "Strange, I can't see Hagatha's body."
DUN DUN DUNNN!!!!!
Well I think it's been pretty much confirmed that Alhazred WILL return in some form or another -- as I remember reading this game starts off with Alexander at his trial. Surely they're not going to just leave that hanging there when most of the game stays in the Green Isles.
and IMO, Mannannan's just GOTTA come back! He's one of the most successful Video Game villians in history, and the best of the KQ series! How he was the main antagonist but always around and you were always afraid of him. That's pretty rare. He's right up there with Fallout's "The Master" and Star Control II's "Ur-Quan".
Heck, I'd volunteer he should be considered to be the most powerful villian you ever did face... it would be so predictable for the latest villian to be "the most powerful you have yet faced... AGAIN!"
"What? But I thought I faced the most terrible villian in King's Quest IV?"
"Oh no... this one, uh, is MUCH more powerful. Yeah. So like, BEWARE, BEWARE!!!"
I think it would be awesome for Mananan (sp?) to come back! Maybe in all the time since III he's learned how to do some more magic in cat form? Eek! Scary! :o
Manannan is his name. :)
And I'm not so sure if cats can do magic... :P Maybe if there were a good explanation, I'd be for it, but generally, Manannan is a bit crippled right now. :P
Do we have any idea at all how old Manannan is? I was reading a review on Sierra Planet (do I spend too much time on anything KQ? You bet. :P) and they mentioned centuries... I wonder how many times he's actually gone through the kidnapping cycle.
And who's more powerful? Manannan or Mordack?
I think Manannan just cause he's older and scarier, is more powerful.
In terms of magical power, my first thought was Manannan too.
Manannan probably has more experience being older (do we know for that for sure, btw?) but I guess that doesn't necessarily mean more raw power. He can somehow kidnap many babies without anyone knowing he was too blame. He's able to turn anybody into a pile of ash without even his wand, or turn people into things or teleport them at least a small distance away. He's able to hold control over a small town.
Mordack was able to miniaturize a whole castle and the people inside it though. But he seemed to have been much more limited when he didn't have his wand to help him.
The manual says Manannan "was, indeed, a powerful wizard", so Mordack would have to be even more so to outmatch his brother.
Course, I guess you could say that they just have different strengths in different areas of magic, maybe, or that Mordack is just less experienced. After all, we didn't get to see what he would have been capable of had he had his wand when he confronted Graham, and he did have some formidable protections at his castle.
As for the age question, I reread the manual and it sorta answered it. He's lived since "a long long time ago when magic was the only science known to man" and "of great age".
...and I this thread is in the plot section... which I just realized... and this doesn't have much to do with the TSL plot... :P
I think he should make an appearance, but more as a joke or just another chance to kick him. :P
I think I need to point out that Mordack was able to use Iconmancy without a wand, even though Alexander said that was impossible in the Companion. He used that last of his wand's energy to kill Cedric(or Graham, if Cedric was never saved).
"It goes without saying that the spellcaster must be in possession of a potently charged Wand of Magic during this act. Few magics work properly, if at all, without the stick of sorcery to channel and propel the magical energies through the aether from the caster to its culmination. Iconmancy is not one of the exceptions."
Yes but does Manannan use a wand when he casts ANY spell?
Quote from: PirateKingChris on May 10, 2007, 09:34:14 PM
Yes but does Manannan use a wand when he casts ANY spell?
Not any that we saw anyways, I think.
Quote from: Boogeyman on May 10, 2007, 12:46:38 AM
I think I need to point out that Mordack was able to use Iconmancy without a wand, even though Alexander said that was impossible in the Companion.
Really?
*really wishes her Companion hadn't already been packed up and sent back home*
How does he think Mordack did the Iconmancy then? Cause his wand was useless at the point, right?
I guess what I was thinking was that Manannan was able to perform a very lethal spell to kill with little effort while Mordack had to rely on Iconmancy, but now that I think about, it probably would have been just as lethal except that Graham was able to counter it with the same magic.
I probably should note, that in Companion's version of the KQ5 story, Mordack was still using his wand, to assist the shape changing. Even though it was "nearly worthless" compared to the newly charged wand Graham was using. It was weakened but not completely drained.
"You have nearly destroyed my wand. "you shall pay for this--now...back and forth between the great wizard who wielded an almost useless wand, and the great king who defended himself with a powerful one."
So when taking Alexander's article in context with the related elements of Derek's version of the KQ5 story. One can see Alexander's interpretation that a wand of some type was needed to cast iconomancy spells (no exceptions), and hopefully a fully charged one (although a weak wand will work, if a powerful sorcerer is using it).
Note Alexander's article also notes that Mordack was using his wand for the various spells as well;
"Mordack threw at my father spells potent enough to defeat great necromancers with just the wave of his wand."
Iconomancy is like the Cole's notes of magick. Mordack just used some quick, easy to remember spells to fight Graham because he couldn't point a finger and disintegrate someone.
I think Mordack's magic was a lot flashier while Mannanan's magic was much more subtle. While Mordack was good, Mannanan probably set the bar to him as his older brother.
Anyone notice that there's sort of a big age difference between Mordack and Mannanan? And one thing that comes to mind is that Mordack looks sort of dark skinned in comparison to Mannanan.
Granted, according to Alexander's opinion, Mordack was the "most powerful mage" he had ever seen. He may have based that on Mordack's ability to shrink the castle, as well as the fight he witnessed.
Speaking of Mordack's appearance, I was watching an old movie, Jack the Giant Killer not long ago, and Mordack looks quite a bit like the evil, Wizard Pendragon, in the movie. Both have island fortresses too, LOL.
Quote from: DarkTerror on May 19, 2007, 01:48:14 AM
And one thing that comes to mind is that Mordack looks sort of dark skinned in comparison to Mannanan.
I think that's cause Mordack went to that beach and spent alot of time in the sun. :suffer:
I was reading an article in the, "Inside the Chest" program that came with the early King's Quest collection, where Mordack is said to be the "most powerful wizard" as well.
Quote from: Rosella on February 23, 2007, 01:06:48 PM
Quote from: Jafar on February 22, 2007, 09:56:03 PM
She didn't die in the remake either. :P
In that case, I guess it's safe to assume I'm just crazy. :P
Actually, you might have mixed her up with the witch in KQ1, who you can push into the cauldron to kill her.
As for Manannan, while it's possible he might be alive, it's also true that you can trap him in the pea sack in KQ5 and basically leave him for dead. Plus, with Mordack dead, who would feed the cat? And he's on a frikkin volcanic island in the middle of nowhere. I think it's pretty safe to assume Manannan is rather well disposed of.
Of course, I suppose that's what we always assume when we underestimate our great villains...
KQIII was the first game in the King's Quest series I ever played and Manannan STILL gives me shivers. :)
Two things: first, in regards to Mordack's wand, I'm almost positive it's not dead. After Graham uses the machine, if you examine it, the text says something along the lines of, "Mordack's wand barely fizzles, while Crispin's wand now sparkles with life." So, I'm betting he's still using it, if it's still got a bit of juice left.
Also, while the return of Manannan intrigues me, beyond getting out of the bag and off the island, he's still in cat form. The whole point of Mordack showing up in KQV was to get Alexander to reverse the spell, because he was the only one who could do it, and as someone mentioned, Mordack was one of the most powerful wizards he'd ever seen. So, unless Shadrack is much more powerful (which is likely, but only to an extent), Alexander is still the one that needs to undo the spell.
Now that brings up the question of, if Manannan does come back, what would make Alexander do such a thing. Say, Cassima's taken by the Black Cloak Society and Manannan can lead him to where she's being held captive, etc etc. That's really cheesy, but you get the idea. :)
Quote from: Karygurl on October 15, 2007, 12:08:23 PM
KQIII was the first game in the King's Quest series I ever played and Manannan STILL gives me shivers. :)
Two things: first, in regards to Mordack's wand, I'm almost positive it's not dead. After Graham uses the machine, if you examine it, the text says something along the lines of, "Mordack's wand barely fizzles, while Crispin's wand now sparkles with life." So, I'm betting he's still using it, if it's still got a bit of juice left.
Also, while the return of Manannan intrigues me, beyond getting out of the bag and off the island, he's still in cat form. The whole point of Mordack showing up in KQV was to get Alexander to reverse the spell, because he was the only one who could do it, and as someone mentioned, Mordack was one of the most powerful wizards he'd ever seen. So, unless Shadrack is much more powerful (which is likely, but only to an extent), Alexander is still the one that needs to undo the spell.
Now that brings up the question of, if Manannan does come back, what would make Alexander do such a thing. Say, Cassima's taken by the Black Cloak Society and Manannan can lead him to where she's being held captive, etc etc. That's really cheesy, but you get the idea. :)
Couple of things I need to mention:
1. Mordack's wand was certaintly dead after he cast the first spell, the one that killed Cedric(or Graham, if Cedric was not rescued).
2. Chrispinophur made it perfectly clear that only Alexander can reverse the spell.
It's an interesting idea that maybe you have to change Mannannan back to save Cassima though...Do I think it'll happen? No. But it would be interesting.
Akril's writing an interesting sequel to her KQ IX that deals with Manannan... Graham goes back to Mordack's island and rescues Manannan the cat because they need his help. Alexander ends up having to forgive his former master for everything, which I find a very intriguing concept.
My apologies, Boogeyman! This is what happens when I read threads at work, I go to help someone and come back and skip things by accident. :-[ Sorry about that.
I think that most (non- dead) villians WILL make an appearance, but what about malicia? She wasn't the most awesome villain, but last time I checked, she was alive, wouldn't she be with the other villians as well?
Last time we saw her, I think she was still a baby being raised by Edgar's parents.
The return of Manannan would be a welcome site and a wise decision on the part of the TSL team. Since Graham destroyed his brother Mordak, he would have every reason for revenge. Such revenge could easily raise the stakes of the game and call for some interesting subplots. As for Hagatha and Abdul Alhazred, the more the merrier! I always enjoys stories with multiple villains as the traditional one good guy versus one bad guy has worn very thin with me. Also, it will be fun seeing the baby villain from King's Quest VII (can't recall her name). Heck, maybe they could even throw some new bad guys into the mix, aside from Shadarack. Suffice it to say, i'm sure the team will do great and I look forward to seeing how the story unfolds.