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Title: Farewell TSL
Post by: Say on October 03, 2007, 04:57:22 PM
It's very sad for me to announce I am stepping down from my Directive role in the TSL development team. As I made final updates in DA and Myspace I felt really nostalgic and reluctant to even write this at all. But here it is.

It's been a while since I've been part of this team, and I'm terribly sorry to inform you that the reasons I'm stepping down is because Development and PR do not come to an agreement anymore. They've got their own future ideas and I've the community at heart and we do not seem to be capable of working together anymore. Therefore, being the minority I need to step down and allow them to continue as they all agree to.

Due to respect to the project I cannot disclose specific details, but I will tell you that the game production is still going on and I truly hope you will be rewarded for your support and love to this project.

Thank you for everything, you are indeed the one thing I will miss of this project.


Saydmell Salazar
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Delling on October 03, 2007, 05:14:51 PM
Oh no! Say come back!  :'( You'll be around the forum, right? :(
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Say on October 03, 2007, 05:22:22 PM
I doubt so.

I will *try* to give one final update to DA because I had some files stored for updates, so I might as well publish those. Gabriel Mancini is a wonderful artists and that's his last collaboration with PR. I really appreciate he took a stand and helped PR when Development neglected for so long.

I already put some files up there btw, you should go check it out
http://thesilverlining.deviantart.com/



But I won't promise otherwise. I will be around just for a couple of days (because of this thread and some final updates) but then I'll be gone.

Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Elessar on October 03, 2007, 05:45:54 PM
It's very sad for me to announce I am stepping down from my Directive role in the TSL development team.
Oh no! Say come back!  :'( You'll be around the forum, right? :(
I doubt so.
This is terrible! Couldn't you stick around the forums? We're all going to miss you extremely if you don't stay.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: PirateKingChris on October 03, 2007, 05:47:15 PM
Terrible news  :'( Sorry to see you go and wish I could have gotten to know you better.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: GunHoMac on October 03, 2007, 07:39:10 PM
"Development and PR differences"

Translation: I wasn't doing my job, so they let me go.  Now, I don't want to be the cynical d*****, but if Say's job was PR...what exactly did she do recently?

The goal of PR is to inform fans about what is going on, and to PROMOTE to the PUBLIC awareness, or at the very least, to the community that is already has a vested interest in the game.

If she's been doing that, and I'm in the minority about not knowing it, then I'm truly sorry.  As of right now though, I have no idea what she was doing for the past several years.  PR is by definition a public position, but the only thing public has been this website and it's members.

The development team has an obligation to keep their work hidden, otherwise it would ruin the game experience it is being built to provide.  The PR department is suppose to be the messenger between development and us, the fans.  The stale and stagnant environment many of us have felt is directly due to this lack of PR involvement.

I appreciate any work you have done for TSL, but as a PR entity...you failed.  Life goes on, and people get fired or quit.  Hopefully, whomever takes over (if anyone) can do a better job.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Petra Rocks on October 03, 2007, 07:51:32 PM
 Whatever your gripes about the environment on the forum, or the PR job done for the game, an area I confess myself wholly ignorant of, I have to condemn your tirade at this time and place as more than a little rude.  A long standing member of the forum and friend to many regulars is leaving for good, this is not the time or place to indulge your habit of attacking the team. I don't want to mar this thread farther, so PM if you want to reply.

 Goodbye Say. I wish we could have talked more, our meeting was too brief. But such is fate. Good luck and fare well wherever you fare. :)
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Cez on October 03, 2007, 08:10:54 PM
I find your comments extremely rude, GunHoMac.

Say brought life to this website, fed you guys more than any fan out there can even ask for, made magic out of nothing because she basically had nothing to work with, and on top of that, she's tied up because of Legal stuff from Vivendi.

It is extremely rude to attack her like that when all she's ever done is give you guys her full soul and heart to this project. She doesn't deserve your words, nor your ignorance.

She gave you even when I've stopped giving her material to give you. She got artists to be resourful and help her even when she knows she was distrupting production, which I asked her several times not do. She's worked so hard for this and this team has been blessed with her presence among us, with her true dedication, with her love for the project, and I'm the proudest guy in the world when I say I'm honored to have had the chance to work with her.

I respected her decision to go. It was all in good understanding. One of the reasons she had to leave is because people like you didn't understand her position, and how she had to be a punching guy for this whole team and how, unfortunetaly, some people inside the team never saw directly and didn't quite understand her frustration.

It's our fault to have tried to reach the stars. It's our fault to have tried to do something so blown out of proportions and that we weren't able to deliver. It is our fault we've missed deadlines.

Say didn't fail. She achieved the impossible. Because of her work, Vivendi gave us a chance, because of her, you have so much information from the project, because of her, you have such a close relation to the project, one that you decided to abuse.

And because of people like you, I'm truly considering just shutting these forums down, out of respect for the team, and especially, out of respect for Say, the girl who gave a face and a star to this project.

You are the one that failed, buddy.

Cesar Bittar

Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: koko_99_2001 on October 03, 2007, 08:17:54 PM
Say, you did an incredible work for the team. I hate that you have to go. I wish there was some way you could stick around. While even I don't know details, I trust your judgment. Maybe, one day, you will feel as if things have straightened out and you can return to the team.

Cesar, I hate it when people bash the project, because I know every team member's heart and soul is in it. I just hope you will find it in your heart to keep the forums up for the dedicated TSL fans. We love you guys to death. And I know many of us would do whatever we could to help out the team. Trust me, if I had the knowledge, I would love to do more than be a Global Mod. But, I feel this is a position for me where I can support the team with my limited talent and experiences.

To the team, I thank you. No one will ever understand or know how much you have sacrificed for us.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Petra Rocks on October 03, 2007, 08:22:21 PM
Whoa now Mr Bittar. I understand your anger, but shutting down the forums because a group of people I recall being about 3 or 4 strong is abusing the team sounds like a bit of an overreaction. :P There are a dozen or more people here who care about the team and game and would be hurt, even offended if you shut down their beloved forum. I might consider warning\banning people who become personal or rude in their attacks on the team, I have actually wondered why you never did that. The kind of behavior Mac just showed would never be tolerated on most of the other forums I visit.

 That said, depriving others of this place because of a few peoples misdeeds would be an error. A lot of people like this place. And while your desire to commemorate the departure of a valued team member is understandable and laudable, is destroying her project really a good way to do honor her memory? I don't think so. Think through all the implications carefully before committing to such an act. :)
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Rick_Florez on October 03, 2007, 08:30:16 PM
I'm not going to pretend that me and Say are the best of friends.  We have had our fare share of disagreements, some even continuing to this day.  Despite those differences however, I cannot help but be angered by the outight disrespect you have shown Say here and now.

If there is one thing I can say about her is that she has left a tremendous legacy.  She has been fully dedicated to this project despite the fact that she never really was a King's Quest fan.  She's given this project her full attention and love.  She's excelled at her position more than any of could have imagined and her departure will leave quite a big hole to fill, if we even can.

If she is leaving its her choice,  She feels its time to move on and we should all be thanking her for the time she already gave to us.  She's laid most of the groundwork for the PR of TSL already and any response we get when this game in the future will be thanks to what she's already set in motion.

So thank you Say for all you've done.  Despite our differences you have my respect when it comes to the way you've handle the PR for this project.

If this is indeed your final decision then best of luck.

Rich
Art Director
Silver Lining Development Team
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: tessspoon on October 03, 2007, 08:39:14 PM
TSL without you? :'(  :-\ Hardly seems possible.
 
Thanks so very much for working at such a tough job for so long. I admire you, and the whole team, for working so hard and putting forth so much time and energy into the game, not for money or because you had too, but because you wanted to. TSL and the people associated with it, both the fans and the team, have come to mean much to me, and I only hope that one day I can have the good fortune to work with people like yourself and the team.

Good Luck, Say. You'll be very much missed.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: KatieHal on October 03, 2007, 08:40:24 PM
I don't come here often at all anymore, but I also have to reply and affirm that Say is most certainly NOT leaving because she didn't do her job. Not even remotely. She has done an incredible amount of work for this team and this community, and no one should think or accuse of her anything else.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Say on October 03, 2007, 08:50:26 PM

Translation: I wasn't doing my job, so they let me go.  Now, I don't want to be the cynical d*****, but if Say's job was PR...what exactly did she do recently?



Two things I think you failed to read:

1.- I quit, I wasn't let go.

2.- I cannot possibly update when development holds me back. I can't tell you what I'm not allowed to or hasn't happened yet.

This is such difficult thought to process for you, obviously.


I couldn't do a damn update in 2007 because everyone in development voted for PR to keep a "low profile" due to heavy production. It wasn't even MY own call, but I was just stupid enough to agree to such terms. I cannot work like this anymore, I had an agenda I had to cancel AGAIN.

I had two agendas literally thrown away because either Vivendi didn't legally clear the path, or because development simply didn't have people like you at first. I did. The same person who built everything since 2003 and today you just choose to trash because that's what your limited knowledge allows you to.

Personally, I won't indulge your resentment of lack of information and proceed to provide you any information I'm not legally entitled to just amuse you. The team will move forward with or without me, and regardless of my position towards the strong disagreements, I will not break my NDA just because of such ignorant approach.

If you assume anyone is going to do my job better than me by all means get your head out of your ass and look back in time when they had 3 PR/Web Directors before me and they didn't even do more than 2 updates in a year. Yet they barely ever even replied to ANY single fan email or post, or at least cared to inform their mods so they are capable of answering what there is to be answered. I did, and I did even more than that.

TSL team made it up to quite a few magazines, we reached a milestone of 7.5 hits a month and we have even staff members who have achieved recognized positions in companies such as Activision, Ubisoft and others without even releasing a demo or a game. That's a fact. Yet the name of the project was capable enough to even have a community so large to have the fans themselves save the project from the C&D letter from Vivendi. Having their own Lead PR tell us that it was indeed overwhelming for just a damn fan project.

This happened because of what? Magic? I might not have been able to give all the answers or give you the game at your every whine. But that is clearly *not* my doing because no matter how far ahead PR would ever get to, no one can give you anything without development cooperating. As everyone has clearly lived through. How ignorant you could possibly be to not understand something of the sort, is beyond me. But it is clear not too bright to choose to personally attack me over some personal resent me when it is clearly a 1 out of 100 things, and that is clearly the reason why I'm leaving.

I doubt it isn't clear in anyone's mind that you are a clueless "cynical d***** bag", indeed. Nothing in this world is worse than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

Next time try to ask before assuming, or at least think before you flame. Questions are welcome, but personal attacks are not. This thread is for everyone to understand an important change to come, not for anyone to vent away.



Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: mfortunato on October 03, 2007, 08:52:04 PM
I don't normally reply to self proclaimed d***** bags.  But I MUST speak up about your ridiculous post.  Sir d***** Bag (aka GunHoMac), take a look at this website, take a look at our myspace page, deviant art.  Can you even fathom how much time it takes to put this together and to maintain it DAILY?!?!?!?  Say is one of the hardest working people we have on our team.  She was not "let go" as you assume.  Nor do we wish her to leave.  Say has one of the hardest (if not the hardest) jobs on the team.  She is the buffer between you and us, the developers.  If we don't meet our goals, she gets the brunt of your attacks.  For years, she has shielded us from the sh*t that you and your fellow d***** bags have thrown in our direction.

Say was the driving force behind us getting into Game Informer, Edge, GameSpot, G4, and countless other magazines and webzines.  She busted her ass to get us noticed.  And because of this, when Vivendi wanted to pull the plug, we were well known enough due to her efforts, that the fans that she had amassed on our behalf, fought back and we are able to continue development. 

The only ones who have failed in this instance, are us, the developers.  We have failed to meet our deadlines over the years and thus the game development has dragged on.  And during all that time, Say has scraped and yelled and bled to get content to the fans.  Almost every single feature on the website was Say's idea.  She has worked tirelessly to keep you interested and to cover up the fact that we have not been able to deliver what we originally promised on time.

If you feel the need to rant, and I understand that need after all of these years, yell at me for not getting the artwork in on time.  But don't take it out on Say.  She is the only one who has always delivered what she said she would:  ON TIME.

I apologize that this sounds like a personal attack on you, sir self-proclaimed d***** Bag.  But you and everyone else who is frustrated about the development time of this game, need to understand that she has done everything to try and make you all happy.  This is a FAN project.  It is completely unfunded.  The money comes out of our pockets directly to make this game.  We are not getting paid and we have to work other jobs to pay our bills.  So this game has taken a long time because we do not have 40+ hours per week per person to work on it.

If you have such issues with this game development and with us, who are working TIRELESSLY on it for YOU, please feel free to leave these forums and relieve us of your foul, used-d***** smelling presence.

Thank you.
- Michael Fortunato

Assistant Art Director
The Silver Lining
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: PirateKingChris on October 03, 2007, 10:02:53 PM
I commend Say for the job she's done.

And I wonder why GunHoMac has been allowed to continue to post on this forum when any thread I've seen him involved in has led to resentment and bickering,
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Yonkey on October 03, 2007, 11:14:14 PM
GunHoMac, your countless disrespect towards Say and the TSL team has occurred not just on this occasion, but dating back to April of this year and earlier.  You have been banned in the past for offensive comments, and were permitted back with the understanding that you'd cease your negative behavior.  Clearly, you haven't, and your last post is ample proof.  Your posting privileges have now been revoked until further notice. 


*takes a breath*


Say, you've been with me from the time I've started, and the one who brought me into this team.  You have no idea how deeply saddened I am that you have decided to leave the team.  I wish the circumstances were different, and that there was something I could do to make you change your mind.  But, I also know that there are too many things outside of our control, and that I must respect your decision even if I disagree with it.  As I've said before, I understand why you must do this and how things will change without you here. 

You've created this website, nurtured this community, established this game and defended this project for years, purely out of loyalty and respect for the team.  I will never forget that, and I'm sure no one else will either.

If you do decide to return in the future, I'm sure the team and community will welcome you back with open arms.  And if not, I certainly will. :P

I wish you all the best, and if you ever want to talk, you know how to reach me.


Sincerely,
Neil Rodrigues
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: hercrabbiness on October 03, 2007, 11:20:21 PM
Say!! :'( I hardly know you, but I'll miss you. You are CLEARLY very important to the people on this forum, and I know that we'll be very sad to see you go. I wish you the very best, whatever happens.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Petter Holmberg on October 04, 2007, 01:56:19 AM
We would be nowhere without you, the fans, and we would have no fans if it was not for the work of PR. Say has done a remarkable job, given the time it has taken to develop this game and the lack of resources. We have hit many snags over the last few years, both due to our own inexperience and due to events out of our control. Say has seen a lot of her planning going down the drain due to this, and I understand her frustration with us on the production side for repeatedly putting her through this. It is indeed one of the most frustrating positions in the team that she has had and we can only thank her for putting up with it for as long as she did. Thank you Say!

So, how does this affect production? Is this a sign that the whole project is crumbling? The answer is no! We are in a very active phase of production and are making great progress with the game. Time will tell how much we will be hurt by Say's departure but it is difficult to believe that we won't, even though she's leaving gracefully with the intention to do as little damage as possible. At this time we need you, the fans, to keep supporting us and believing in us, because this is the main reason we keep working on the game! I understand that it's more difficult without Say being around to keep you entertained while you wait, but hang in there, it'll be worth it!
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: hula_chick on October 04, 2007, 04:10:11 AM
Say!!! We'll miss you!!! I didn't get to know you that well, but i most definitely WILL miss your presence in the fourm. :'(
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: koko_99_2001 on October 04, 2007, 05:24:57 AM
*agrees with Neil*

Say, I'll be one of those welcoming you back with open arms! *hugs* You will surely be missed :(
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: icarus on October 04, 2007, 12:42:25 PM
I'm not going to ask you to stay. Becouse it's your choice. Only you can diside what to do.
We can only wish you good luck.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: dark-daventry on October 04, 2007, 01:23:20 PM
I too will welcome you back if you do decide to return. You and I have had our differences, what with my application and everything, but we've pulled through it, and you're definitely going to be sorely missed on this project. You've been here longer than me, and I will always remember your presence. GunHoMac has no right to dis-respect you for the decisions you've made, as they were professional and well-thought out decisions. I will definitely miss you, and so will the rest of community. You will be sorely missed among all of us. I wish you the best of luck in where ever you may go, and we will always remember the outstanding PR work you've done here on this site. Without you, I would not even know that this project existed. You've set a big standard for your successors, one that should be met as best as possible. You will be missed very much by all of us in the forum.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: awesomeasapossum on October 04, 2007, 04:30:40 PM
*has "The Day You Were Gone" going through his head*

Say,
You are such a part of this forum. that it's hard for me to help from crying about this. However, I would like to let you know that these are both tears of sadness at your departure and also tears of joy and appreciation for everything you've done.

You were always welcoming to anybody who joined this forum, and knowing, now, everything that you have done realizes how hard you had it. I have no doubt that your legacy will go on, and wish that there something more that I could do to show my appreciation for you.

It'll be hard to keep posting on these forums knowing how many references there will be to you and everything you've done (saycookies to say the least :P) but I know that you would want the community that you started to continue and I will do my best to keep it going, even after TSL is released.

I find it extremely saddening that GunHoMac had to pick this time to momentarily return to this forum, as I'm sure that, as much as it offended us, the forumers, it hurt you even more. I have no remorse that he is gone and believe that Yonkey handled the situation well. I hope that this doesn't have to do with the TSL Fannatics.

I hope to see you poking your head in every once in a while to say, "Hello," and want you to know how great a person you are.

Best Regards,
-A3P
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Boogeyman on October 05, 2007, 01:02:37 AM
We're all gonna miss you, Say. As a going-away gift, I am giving you your very own frog!


Hear me, oh Powers,
Of Klatha and Mana,
Turn now GunHoMac,
Into species called rana!
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Jafar on October 05, 2007, 07:25:15 PM
That you will. By all of us. Take care, Say/
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Rosella on October 05, 2007, 07:31:47 PM
Wow...It feels so weird to think you won't be part of the team anymore. I mean, you're Say. *hugs* We'll all miss you so much. Try to come back to say hi every once in a while? It won't be the same without you, Say. <3
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Elessar on October 05, 2007, 08:11:28 PM
As a going-away gift, I am giving you your very own frog!
As a gift from the forum, would it be alright to give Say the Supah Dupah Almighty Cookie to keep?

(http://www.postudios.com/blog/forum/haven/sc/scookiebanner.jpg)
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: koko_99_2001 on October 05, 2007, 09:06:29 PM
And you can't forget the coffee! Say, you're in our hearts! We love you.

(http://www.reallynatural.com/archives/Coffee%20Lover.jpg)
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Farquhar on October 06, 2007, 12:55:41 AM
It's definitely going to be weird not having you around the forum Say... You're one of the posters I remember from the days in which I would lurk before joining. XD

Don't let anyone tell you that you failed as a PR rep. You gave us updates as much as you possibly could, and during the dark days in which the project was shut down you handled the floods of questions very well, and if my memory is correct you never lost your patience....

Your presence here was a very positive one indeed, and though I never got to know you as well as some of the other forum members, I'll definitely miss ya! :)
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: B'rrr on October 06, 2007, 08:20:23 AM
*sneaks to back into the forums*

<3 Say, I am sure people would miss you!  :-\ :(

*sneaks off again*
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Bludshot on October 06, 2007, 11:41:01 AM
I hardly knew ye, but thanks for contributing to the one silver lining KG fans left. (pun intended)
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: angel0fmus1c on October 06, 2007, 02:52:00 PM
The words of such ignorant ants should be ignored as the mindless drivel that it is. Say, I didn't get to know you that well, and I sorely will miss the opportunity. Good luck in whatever you choose to pursue.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Oldbushie on October 06, 2007, 05:40:13 PM
*hugs Say* :(

I hope you return once the game is finished! Please take care of yourself and don't overwork yourself.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: dark-daventry on October 07, 2007, 10:51:55 AM
Say, the forum will all miss you, and as stated above, your legacy will live on, to all forumers who hear your name and the work you've accomplished. You've done something that no one I've ever met could possibly do. You kept the community informed as much as possible, and I, along with the entire forum community, will miss you sorely and dearly. You've been an amazing PR rep, and did a job better than anybody I know. Your succesors have a lot to live up to, but no one can ever replace you, Say. Your name will be emblazoned on this forum for all eternity. May you do well in your next endeavors, and always remember, this forum loves you so very much. You are ALWAYS welcome here at The Silver Lining!

*encourages big community hug and wipes away tears*
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: copycat on October 07, 2007, 04:07:52 PM
 :'( I'm not good at expressing emotions into words, so don't expect a long post from me.
I just want to say that when I joined the forum (was it just the one or were there several, I don't remember), on much, if not all, the threads, Say was the last poster. She literally kept that forum alive when there were very few posting members. I truly thank her for the effort she put into that.
I believe when she was PR director, she did that job with the utmost dedication, and I truly commend her for that.
I too am saddened to see you go, Say, but I think I understand the reason behind your decision. I think your legacy can speak proudly for itself. The one who will have to 'fill your shoes' will have a hard act to follow.
Once again, my thanks. ;)
For the record: I support Neil's action to GunHoMac.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Petra Rocks on October 08, 2007, 11:06:56 PM
GunHoMac, your countless disrespect towards Say and the TSL team has occurred not just on this occasion, but dating back to April of this year and earlier.  You have been banned in the past for offensive comments, and were permitted back with the understanding that you'd cease your negative behavior.  Clearly, you haven't, and your last post is ample proof.  Your posting privileges have now been revoked until further notice. 


*takes a breath*


Say, you've been with me from the time I've started, and the one who brought me into this team.  You have no idea how deeply saddened I am that you have decided to leave the team.  I wish the circumstances were different, and that there was something I could do to make you change your mind.  But, I also know that there are too many things outside of our control, and that I must respect your decision even if I disagree with it.  As I've said before, I understand why you must do this and how things will change without you here. 

You've created this website, nurtured this community, established this game and defended this project for years, purely out of loyalty and respect for the team.  I will never forget that, and I'm sure no one else will either.

If you do decide to return in the future, I'm sure the team and community will welcome you back with open arms.  And if not, I certainly will. :P

I wish you all the best, and if you ever want to talk, you know how to reach me.


Sincerely,
Neil Rodrigues
Minor nitpick, but that ought to be either countless acts of disrespect, or ceaseless disrepect, or something of that nature.  :P Countless disrespect simply doesn't work, you cannot measure abstract concepts by counting. :P

 Sorry, I am a pedant. :P
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Yonkey on October 08, 2007, 11:23:44 PM
Yeah, I noticed that too the next day, but couldn't really be bothered at the time to fix grammar. XB

I think I added the word "countless" in, after checking to see how many of GunHoMac's posts were indeed offensive.  Since it exceeded the maximum number of 3, I didn't really bother counting any higher, thus "countless" was used. :P

So, I guess it should have been countless acts, occurrences or instances.  Any of the 3 would have fit. :)
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: dew7 on October 09, 2007, 12:10:00 AM
I will post briefly and say farewell Say and farewell to everyone else also because my posting will be limited to none in the future.  This forum is no longer the happy place it used to be for me and causes me too much stress with too many arguments and people having too many problems.  I hope I have added a little something with my posts in the past and not just caused too many conflicts with my views on religion and politics.  Take Care and May The Peace From Around Us reign supreme in our Hearts.

and with a final  ;)  I am now gone till later!

See Ya!
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: dark-daventry on October 09, 2007, 06:33:28 AM
Farewell, Dew7. This forum has been graced by both of your presences, and it will continue to prosper for a long time. I intend to stay as long as my school work allows me to. This forum will never forget the time you guys spent on the forum, and the time you contributed. Once a forumer, always a forumer. Every member of this forum brings something unique to the community, and each one will be remembered in their own way once they depart. I fare thee well on thy journey, and may thou journey through the Kingdom of Daventry once more. Thy kingdom shall hold thine arms wide for thou's return, if thou chooseth so. From the TSL community, farewell Dew7 and Say!
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Petra Rocks on October 09, 2007, 07:51:15 AM
Yeah, I noticed that too the next day, but couldn't really be bothered at the time to fix grammar. XB

I think I added the word "countless" in, after checking to see how many of GunHoMac's posts were indeed offensive.  Since it exceeded the maximum number of 3, I didn't really bother counting any higher, thus "countless" was used. :P

So, I guess it should have been countless acts, occurrences or instances.  Any of the 3 would have fit. :)
Ah well. XD It's not actually a big deal, I make mistakes like that at times. :P
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: copycat on October 09, 2007, 03:08:49 PM
Farewell, dew7. I am sad you feel about the forum in this way. You have certainly added your own unique style of posting into the forum and will be remembered by that. Take care! 8)
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Yonkey on October 09, 2007, 03:51:23 PM
Take care, Dew.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Deloria on October 10, 2007, 12:38:26 PM
I can't say how sorry I am to have seen this thread. I wish you the best, Say.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: threej_lc on October 10, 2007, 01:02:06 PM
Say,

I've spent most my 6 years as a kq9, er, TSL, supporter as a lurker.  Therefore, I never really got to know you, but I always appreciated your presence on the forums and how hard you worked to bring us whatever information you could.  You'll definitely be missed.

May you be rewarded for all the work you've put in here!
3j
 
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Boogeyman on October 11, 2007, 12:50:28 AM
Farewell, dew7. I sure hope that the behavior of GunHoMac wasn't a factor in your leaving.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: PirateKingChris on October 11, 2007, 01:25:39 AM
Farewell, Dew...I hardly knew ye. :(
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: dew7 on October 12, 2007, 05:58:01 AM
Sneaks Back to Mention: That Say and I had our differences but we resolved them.

 8)
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Nilan on October 13, 2007, 02:19:57 PM
Hey guys, I've a guy who's been a lurker, sometime poster on these boards for a while.

Remember people: at the end of the day, it's just a game. I don't know what's happened with what people, but it sounds to me like everyone involved in the project is walking around with their angry sticks out in the open. Which to the outside observer seems quite a silly waste of time because I've seen those pictures of everyone at your big meetings, everyone looking happy. Now everyone's wasting time being, well... not that.

Maybe there's been a lot of communication problems or something, I dunno. What I do know is that this is supposed to be fun. If someone leaves because of time considerations, etc. that's one thing: but if someone says they're leaving, and they ain't coming back? Something is clearly not right in mudville.

So if Cesar, Say, or that guy with 7 in his name are reading, well it's too bad things suck right now. But look, there's starvation in Africa, war in Iraq, and all kinds of really sad things going on right now. Whatever it is you're bummed about right now, I'm betting it could be a heck of a lot worse.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Petra Rocks on October 13, 2007, 04:08:41 PM
 Actually, after reading this thread I wondered if the team shouldn't just take a couple of weeks off and cool down\recover. :P This place is not what it was. When I first came here I saw a happy place, one of the most welcoming forums I had ever seen. It had a refreshing happy-go-lucky carefree nature, an optimism and joyful insanity I do not see often enough. Now I see a handful of people going through the motions, sticking their word into the game in an endless row, more here out of habit than anything. Now I look at the team members and they seem short-tempered and like they haven't gotten a nights sleep in a week. 

 Maybe it is inevitable. A man cannot step into the same river twice said the sage, for the second time neither the man nor the river will be the same. I certianly do not expect this post to change anything. Still, seeing Nilans post I have to concur, and voice the wistful feeling I get when I think about this place. Things are not what they were, and my heart say they never shall be again.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Nilan on October 13, 2007, 05:13:07 PM
No offense, Petra, but if I read you correctly, we're not concurring.

I didn't write that as a lament for what's past. I'm not a believer in fate, curses, superstition or whatever. It's the matter of perception. It's never the place that sucks, it's the people thinking it sucks. And if that's the only thing going on, it could change tomorrow.

All thing pass. Even suck-age.

The important thing is what the project is, and if you're going to do it anymore. And for the project to die now to acrimony, restlessness and yes, according to some I read, apathy, would be simply absurd. These people took on City Hall and WON. Cripes man, who DOES that? Well, they did. And if I'm not mistaken, they weren't exactly a group of people particularly experienced in the matter at the outset.

And now after all that work and all those years it's falling apart for the sake of a little ill will? That's like running the Marathon and quitting as you're about to re-enter the Olympic Stadium. Good God, just give the thing to me and I'LL finish the bloody game.

Pick yourself up, keep going, never surrender and all that jazz. Even if this forum isn't fun anymore, once that game's out there, there's going to be more collective happiness from all the many people downloading and playing it than there ever was here.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Petra Rocks on October 13, 2007, 05:37:29 PM
Sorry, I think what I said sounded a little different than what I meant. Most of that was my private lament for times gone by, and that had nothing to do with what you were saying. I agree with you the team is looking a little frazzled, based their public comments. I am not suggesting they quit, that would really simply not do at all after what they have been through to get here.  Nor do I discount that it is possible things will improve again in time. 


 I miss what I saw here once. I think it a great pity things changed the way they did. But none of that has much to do with the game or POS, and I am certianly not suggesting everyone just pack up and leave.  Sorry, I mixed the two things I was trying to say together and the result didn't work very well. ;P
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Yonkey on October 13, 2007, 06:57:10 PM
The forum community today is quite different from that of past years, but it changes every year so it's no big deal really.  The team goes through changes as well (i.e. technical, organizational, real life priorities, etc), but those changes usually aren't publicized. 

What Nilan said is correct: this is just a game.  However it's a game we've spent years developing, and a game that we still care about completing as soon as possible.  Now, not everyone shares these same feelings.  Some people don't care about the timeframe, some people don't care about completing as soon as possible, and some people just simply don't care period.  I honestly can't say I blame any of them for feeling this way.  It is hard work to develop a game.  It's even harder to develop one for free.  And it's even harder with all the other issues that pop up which negatively impact development.

But, this frustration won't last forever.  Eventually the game will get done, tested and released.  The years of dedication & hard work will be worth it.  Right now though, it's a matter of priorities.  For me, even though I find the forum & website more fun to work on, at the moment, the game has higher priority.  Or to put this another way, in order for Production to succeed, PR has to take a backseat.  We've tried to keep the two groups separate for years, but they're too interconnected.  Production has always been lagging behind while PR leads.  Obviously, that strategy doesn't work, so in order to move forward we literally have no choice but to switch gears and change direction.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: dark-daventry on October 13, 2007, 07:55:34 PM
I must admit that the forum has changed tremendously since I had first joined. PR should take a rest, and besides, I think that the community knows a lot about TSL as is. Community updates aren't neccesarily needed right now, in my opinion. It's good to keep the community informed, but right now the priority should be finishing the game. The PR department has done an outstanding job, and I think it's time to let them have their rest. They've outdone themselves promoting the game, and in the midst of the VU incident, they went above and beyond the call of duty. But I think it's time to allow production to speed up, and let the engines cool down.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: J-Rod on October 14, 2007, 02:28:54 AM
Goodbye Say. I'm sorry to hear you're quitting the team. I appreciate all you've contributed, and I wish you the best in life.

For the rest of the team, I still believe in you. You have my support, and I'm always willing to do anything I can as a fan to help.

I know you guys have your hearts in this game, and as fans that makes us have our hearts in you. I hope you won't let the little things bother you, and won't let the pressure from our end get to you. Because, to hell what some pessimists might say, we won't stop believing in y'all and we'll wait as long as it takes.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: racx_00 on October 14, 2007, 08:47:54 AM
So if Cesar, Say, or that guy with 7 in his name are reading, well it's too bad things suck right now. But look, there's starvation in Africa, war in Iraq, and all kinds of really sad things going on right now. Whatever it is you're bummed about right now, I'm betting it could be a heck of a lot worse.
Mhmm, but Cesar, Say and Dew7 may not have experienced what the people in Africa and Iraq have experienced. Therefore this could be a really major thing for them.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Animan on October 15, 2007, 02:22:32 PM
<removes invisibility cloak>

Dear Lady,

Thank You so much for your immense contribution and selfless work towards resurrecting our ancient and well loved tale of Daventry.

I rarely say boo but have been lurking for years and appreciate all that you and the rest of the team have done. Watching this miraculous return from the dead of one of the earliest animated games is a delight.

A large part of the credit goes to yourself for showing us the way of things to be.

<bows and sweeps hat along the cobblestones in salute>

Fare thee well in thy journey renowned adventurer!

Animan
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: noaheugene20 on October 15, 2007, 07:56:24 PM
I haven't been on the forums for quite awhile and just got done reading about what happened. We're really going to miss ya say. I just can't believe the team would fire ya. I've said it before and will say it again. The TSL team has such slim chances of ever releasing TSL due to the arguing about developement which we the fans did not know of until it was to late. Say was fired off the team probably because she wanted to release a large update but the team argued not to due to possible fan excitement. Which would make them believe TSL was coming out. And in response to what Gohomac said here's what I say "How dare you be rude to Say she was just doing her job and she was only doing what upper management said. Now that I have done my job of explaining what was going to happen and has already happened I will also have to leave like dew7 has and wish to say farewell to everyone on the TSL forum.  ;)

                    
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: koko_99_2001 on October 15, 2007, 08:28:28 PM
I believe it's been said before...Say was not fired. She walked away on her on volition. Which, I believe, has been stated by several of the team members.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Petra Rocks on October 15, 2007, 09:26:27 PM
*chuckles* Excellent noah, your comment gave me some little amusement at the end of a long day. Craziest thing I have heard since behaviorism, or maybe Zeno. :P
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: awesomeasapossum on October 16, 2007, 04:48:46 AM
And besides that, your last post makes no sense, and (IMO) is just as rude as GunHoMac's because it is bashing the team.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: dark-daventry on October 16, 2007, 11:03:22 AM
As Koko said, Say left the team of her own accord. It was her decision to go. Where ever she goes, she will succeed in what she does. She was a huge asset to the project, and one of the biggest bridges between community and development, which is always important. She was the bridge that the community crossed over to find out the latest news. Since her time here she has widened that bridge and made it accessible to all, and opened the doors to everyone. She will be missed dearly, and I cannot imagine why someone would bash her for anything. She has been an amazing asset to us all, and she kept us informed as best as possible. Farewell Say, Dew7 and all the others who wish to leave. Thy shall always be welcome here again!
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: copycat on October 16, 2007, 03:30:10 PM
Indeed, even though both of our characters are (almost) completely the opposite, Say has my deepest appreciation for all she has done and apparently could not do anymore, which led her to this conclusion. She's a very ambitious person and I too believe that she will succeed in whatever she tries to do, due to that trait.
Farewell  noaheugene.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: cygnus on October 17, 2007, 11:58:54 AM
i heard that development has ceased due to a large rift between the development team and that most likely tsl wont be completed

is this true
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: NemelChelovek on October 17, 2007, 01:22:23 PM
i heard that development has ceased due to a large rift between the development team and that most likely tsl wont be completed

is this true

The answer to that question is on the first page of this thread. It's continuing, but PR is slowing down so that the project can continue.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Petra Rocks on October 17, 2007, 06:59:49 PM
You have to love the rumor mill. :P

 No, I doubt it. It seems PR and Production have had a few issues, and PR is more or less gone. It does not really follow that production will slow down at all. :)
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Nilan on October 17, 2007, 07:02:46 PM
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Mhmm, but Cesar, Say and Dew7 may not have experienced what the people in Africa and Iraq have experienced. Therefore this could be a really major thing for them.

Sorry Dude, but this misses the point ENTIRELY.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: racx_00 on October 17, 2007, 07:55:52 PM
Ok then, explain the point.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: awesomeasapossum on October 18, 2007, 05:02:06 AM
i heard that development has ceased due to a large rift between the development team and that most likely tsl wont be completed

is this true

Where did you hear this? Online somewhere? I'd love to read the site or talk to whoever said it. :D
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Deloria on October 18, 2007, 05:07:49 AM
They did it!
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: daventry on October 18, 2007, 05:11:27 AM
Goodbye Say, it was fun having you here and we will miss you. :'(

Will the Board go offline soon and will we never see the 3 Chapters again. :'(

This is a Post i made back in 2005, i cant believe its been 2 Years since the release of the First Trailer and the Announcement of the Project being shutdown.

http://www.postudios.com/blog/forum/index.php?topic=3066.msg125259#msg125259
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Nilan on October 18, 2007, 05:19:37 AM
The point was about trying to get the team back on its feet and not getting people to waste time on negative things that have happened.

Remember, these people are not saying they're just stepping down from the game, they're stepping down, and not coming back to boot. No more interaction with the community, etc, they're done. And being online, it's not like anyone has to go much out of their way to get here.

So whatever happened, it's been bad enough for that sort of reaction. I was using those situations to imply that life is short and whatever it is that's bugging them, it could be a heck of a lot worse. To just say "well, I'm not those people in Iraq, Africa, etc" doesn't, for me, really say anything, because it COULD be you. Why not? Everyone's entitled to their moments of ill will, but if Say, Dew7, and those unnamed individuals still working on TSL who would stand on the other side of their respective conflicts are gonna say they're not only done in the here and now but permanently as well, I figure it's helpful to take a step back and put everything in perspective.

Yeah, you had some fights recently. But hey, click on the national news and I'll bet you'll see tons of people that would probably trade up problems with you.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: racx_00 on October 18, 2007, 07:13:59 AM
You don't exactly know what's happened so you can't expect people to take a step back and forget it. As for trading problems with other people, I'd happily do that considering my current position.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: beernutts on October 18, 2007, 12:56:08 PM
You want to see some of the passion from say?  Check out these old posts of mine where she went berserk on me:
http://www.postudios.com/blog/forum/index.php?topic=135.0

Anyway, that was 4 1/2 years ago.  I still lurk every once in a while here just to see if the project has moved anywhere.  I did want to comment on this:

Quote
It's our fault to have tried to reach the stars. It's our fault to have tried to do something so blown out of proportions and that we weren't able to deliver. It is our fault we've missed deadlines.

Cesar said that, and it was what I had been saying from day 1.  If you look at my previous posts, you'll notice I started believe this project wouldn't get finished.  I said it was too big, and too much to under-take by an amateur team.

If my posts had been given some credibility instead of just being blasted and swept under the rug, you'd have known what I was saying was very relevant.

Then came the decision to just release the 1st 3rd of the game.  Yet, here we are, still waiting on something.

As I always end my posts here, I hope the team finishes this game (at least the 1st part), I'd like to play it, but, it seems to me, the writing's on the wall.  Good luck guys.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Yonkey on October 18, 2007, 01:23:14 PM
If my posts had been given some credibility instead of just being blasted and swept under the rug, you'd have known what I was saying was very relevant.
I think the reason most people reject your comments is because they generally come across as overly pessimistic and/or sarcastic.  That may or may not be your intention, but you basically started your post by saying "Great screenshots, but <pessimistic rant>...".  That's why you got attacked by pretty much everyone, myself included (although my post and many others got corrupt during a database transfer last year).

If you could have stated your thoughts in a less offensive manner, you wouldn't have been attacked.  That applies to pretty much everyone.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Petra Rocks on October 18, 2007, 01:30:23 PM
Looking over the past posts, I have to agree that was not really a justified attack by Say and the rest. Beernutts does not think the project will be completed. Well, that's not a totally unreasonable statement, a lot of projects like this die.  Beernutts might have been a little more tactful, but really he never said anything offensive or rude.

 That said, I am sure I don't know what the point of dragging that whole affair up again was. I grant it was not Say's finest hour, but that's no reason to drag it up, nor does it have much to do with production of the game. Say, AFAIK, have nothing to do with actually making the game and everything to do with promoting it. Her departure might wreck havoc with PR, but I see not reason it should affect production at all.  :)   
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Animan on October 18, 2007, 01:34:16 PM
"Never Surrender Dreams"

As far as I can deduce from the comments originating from the Team working on the game, the project is far from over. Pessimism and wild unfounded accusations are unlikely to be helping the situation. When the team has an announcement to make ... I am sure they will find a way to let us know.

Those rude fans who wish to conduct a smear campaign ... would be better off looking deep within themselves.

Again, Thank you to the overworked Team of people resurrecting our dreams,

Animan
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: beernutts on October 18, 2007, 02:13:07 PM
Looking over the past posts, I have to agree that was not really a justified attack by Say and the rest. Beernutts does not think the project will be completed. Well, that's not a totally unreasonable statement, a lot of projects like this die.  Beernutts might have been a little more tactful, but really he never said anything offensive or rude.

 That said, I am sure I don't know what the point of dragging that whole affair up again was. I grant it was not Say's finest hour, but that's no reason to drag it up, nor does it have much to do with production of the game. Say, AFAIK, have nothing to do with actually making the game and everything to do with promoting it. Her departure might wreck havoc with PR, but I see not reason it should affect production at all.  :)   

I brought up that old post not to take a shot at Say, but actually to show here passion for this game.  How she got so angry that someone (me) would doubt the game, and how vigorously defended it.

I was just showing that POS is losing a dedicated member, and she fought hard for what she believed.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Petra Rocks on October 18, 2007, 02:23:52 PM
Yes, I have no doubt her loss is a great one to both team and forum. That said, as she produced nothing in terms of game creation, her departure will very probably not take away anything from production. Actually, since Yonkey and the rest of PR are now working exclusively on production, it might speed it up.   :P
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Nilan on October 18, 2007, 03:02:02 PM
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You don't exactly know what's happened so you can't expect people to take a step back and forget it. As for trading problems with other people, I'd happily do that considering my current position.

No, I don't know what's happened -- but I'm guessing there's a certain "worst case scenario" above which it is unlikely to rise. If it did rise above that expectation, Say would probably have grounds to sue someone or bring them up on charges. As for expectations, I don't "expect" them to do one thing or the other. I'm just saying that if we're at the point this is goodbye FOREVER... might it not be wise for all parties to take that step back?

On the subject of trading problems with other people again: I don't know your problems -- I don't know Say's, Cesar's, etc. But I'm gonna take an educated guess and say that if any of us decided to trade our problems with that less fortunate segment of people in nations that are truly suffering, we'd want to trade back pretty quick. Hunger, poverty, violence... these things have a way of changing one's mind very quickly.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Yonkey on October 18, 2007, 09:38:24 PM
I'm just saying that if we're at the point this is goodbye FOREVER... might it not be wise for all parties to take that step back?
Many changes were made as a result of her decision, mainly in the PR Department.  However, the entire team does not grind to a halt whenever someone chooses to leave.  The team has no choice but to somehow adapt and move on.  If one dwells too much on the past, they cannot concentrate on the present, nor plan appropriately for the future.  At some point you have no choice but to just accept that there will always be things outside of your control.  In this case though, it was mutually agreed upon that goodbye forever does mean goodbye forever.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Animan on October 19, 2007, 12:44:12 AM
Thank You Yonkey ...

"Never Surrender Dreams"

Animan
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: racx_00 on October 19, 2007, 03:36:04 AM
But I'm gonna take an educated guess and say that if any of us decided to trade our problems with that less fortunate segment of people in nations that are truly suffering, we'd want to trade back pretty quick. Hunger, poverty, violence... these things have a way of changing one's mind very quickly.
Well your educated guess is off.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: dark-daventry on October 19, 2007, 08:48:56 AM
This forum, let alone this thread, is not intended for fighting. This thread in particular is for saying goodbye to say and other members of the team/forum, in a generally respectful manner. I don't want to get involved with this argument too much, but I think we can all agree to be respectful towards everyone leaving and bring these arguments elsewhere. I know people have their opinions and doubts, as I once did, but I have gained new confidence in the project. I admit that I had lost hope in it for a brief period, but I have found new confidence, and I know that no matter what happens here, that these men and women are dedicated to the project, and will not stop working on this game. Even if it does get scrapped, cancelled, or postponed indefinitely, I know that a shot was made, and an attempt was put forth. That's really all I want to see here. An attempt to bring back the King's Quest series, and they seem to have succeeded in bringing in fans of the series, both young and old. Some people here weren't even alive during the 80's (AKA me, and others) but are nonetheless die hard KQ fans, and want to see an effort being put forward. That effort has been shown, proven, and tried several times. So perhaps we can at least bring these arguments to a different/new thread, but please not here. I am not a mod, so I have no authority, but I beseech you, please stop the arguments.  Let's all just be friends here. The community has been divided, and there are now two sides. Those who still hold hope in the project, and those who have lost all hope entirely. For at least this thread, let's try and unify those sides. Again, I cannot force or command you to do such, as I have no right to do so, but at least please keep it in mind.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Petra Rocks on October 19, 2007, 11:05:39 AM
I don't see any fighting (well,anymore). On the other hand, Nilan and racx are on the high road to total off-topicness, if they are not there already. XD
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Tolin on October 19, 2007, 01:26:42 PM
Maaaaannn...  I really should visit more often.  *sigh*  I'm sad I
missed when this was posted; Say, if you DO happen to see this,
thank you for everything you've done over the years.  I'm bummed
about you being gone but I understand your position and decision.

Best of luck to you.

As for Yonkey and everyone else - keep it up!  This project will always
have my support and its members have my admiration.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: copycat on October 19, 2007, 05:24:31 PM
I don't see any fighting (well,anymore). On the other hand, Nilan and racx are on the high road to total off-topicness, if they are not there already. XD
If Nilan and racx are not fighting (with words), they're at least argumenting, and if they continue on this road, that could lead to fighting very soon. I think that might be what DD was trying to say.
Until I get a newsletter stating all is lost, I will continue to have hope in the project, and keep supporting them, being their biggest (and probably only posting) fan(natic, for sure) in Flanders, Europe. :D
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Yonkey on October 19, 2007, 11:54:27 PM
To Animan, Tolin, CC & others, I just want to thank you guys for continuing to support the project.  The path to get here has not always been easy, so just knowing that you guys understand and care enough to still remain positive says a lot.  It reminds us of why we're still here, and who we're really doing this for. 

Sometimes negativity can be overwhelming, so it ends up eclipsing everything positive and good.  But at the end of the day, no one really chooses to be angry, resentful or bitter.  If you could choose, you'd chose not to be any of those things.  They're not attractive or pleasant qualities for anyone to have.  So yes, let's keep the fighting out of this thread because it just doesn't improve anyone's mood, and is ultimately counter-productive.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: PirateKingChris on October 20, 2007, 01:45:11 AM
I'm finding the few negative folks opinions for some reason are eclipsing the good words of many. It's just obnoxious when a few spoil it for the rest by continuing to stay negative, no matter what happens, and if you don't have anything good to say, go elsewhere.

I too have full support and hopes for the entire TSL staff for their continued efforts to try to get this game complete. Thanks for all the hard work you've put in so far, and continued luck to you all!
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: awesomeasapossum on October 20, 2007, 06:10:00 AM
I think that pretty much anyone here who posts often is positive about this project. It's only people who come in every once in a while for 1 or 2 posts that says, "I told you so, you'll never get it done."

The worst negativity, IMO is from people that DID support the project and now are saying, "I've been saying it from the beginning." No, you haven't. In the beginning you were like, "Hey, I just found this site, the game looks amazing, I love King's Quest, POS you rock!"

There are certain individuals who have displayed the aforementioned characteristics (almost EXACTLY) but I'm not going to point fingers.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Nilan on October 20, 2007, 06:47:05 PM
Look, I really have no interest debating how bad someone's got things right now, and people are starting to grumble. So why don't we just concentrate on discussing the game, and then after it's out we can all mutually hate each other with abandon.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Petra Rocks on October 20, 2007, 06:57:22 PM
Encore, except for the mutually hating part. :P I mean, if it really makes you feel good I shan't stand in the way of your pleasure, but in my experience hating people is far more trouble and emotional investment than it is worth. In the last analysis, I am simply too lazy to go to the trouble of really hating somebody, a practice I find it makes life much less stressful.  ;D
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Nilan on October 20, 2007, 09:15:58 PM
Well, that part was really just me being a touch sarcastic.  :P
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: jen on October 21, 2007, 04:46:32 PM
Say,
  I know I don't know you, but I've come and gone on the forum (most of the time when I've visited and read posts and whatnot I haven't always been logged in) and alot of the posts I remember reading I remember seeing atleast a reply from you or someone mention you so it'll be sad to see you go (I know this is probably an old thread, but I just came upon it)

I wish you the utmost best of luck in all you do
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Petra Rocks on October 21, 2007, 05:51:05 PM
It is actually some 3 weeks old now, but the last post in it was just yesterday. :)
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: dark-daventry on October 23, 2007, 06:31:51 AM
And now the next post is two days later... XD I've been on the forum for a while now, and it seems longer than it actually has been, and I've been through a lot on the forum. I've kept with the project no matter what happened to me. I stuck in there and NEVER gave up. I strived for what I believed in. As long as this project was attempted, and brought to the minds of thousands of fans across the world, I am content. I am glad that some people remain positive about the project as I do. This project was ambitious from the very beginning, and it's had dedicated people working on it, using their own free time to work on it. I salute them for doing what they do, and how they hang in there and still maintain their daily lives. To all wjho read this, let's keep this forum as peaceful as possible. Would Roberta and Ken Williams want you to fight over one of their most beloved games? Would King Graham and Queen Valanice want you to be fighting over their kingdom? Let's all stay positive, and keep this forum accepting of all. When I first joined, it was my first time EVER on a forum, and I had no clue what I was doing, but because of all the dedicated and courteous forum members, I now devote a lot of my time to forums, and not just this one. Thanks to POS and TSL, I have become even more addicted to the internet...
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: awesomeasapossum on October 23, 2007, 04:00:33 PM
*Seconds what dark-dav said.* Here, here! :P

Dark Daventry,
I consider myself a postive member, but reading your posts always make me more loyal and happier to be in this community.

Also, to everyone else, hang in there! The end result will be fantastic! (Or should I say POStastic!) Anyway, whenever I feel a bit down about this project, I watch the making of video and I get so inspired by their hard work and dedication. Do you want an update? Watch it again. I bet that there's something you originally missed.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: PirateKingChris on October 23, 2007, 04:30:02 PM
Yeah I didn't mean to become negative by slamming on negative folks...I still have all the respect in the world for the people working on the project and all the faith in the world that when TSL is released someday, it's going to be an awesome experience :)

And jen, great images !
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: dark-daventry on October 26, 2007, 12:23:47 PM
*Seconds what dark-dav said.* Here, here! :P

Dark Daventry,
I consider myself a postive member, but reading your posts always make me more loyal and happier to be in this community.

Also, to everyone else, hang in there! The end result will be fantastic! (Or should I say POStastic!) Anyway, whenever I feel a bit down about this project, I watch the making of video and I get so inspired by their hard work and dedication. Do you want an update? Watch it again. I bet that there's something you originally missed.


I'm glad that my posts touch people. This project is one that will live on in the memories of us all forever, no matter what happens to it. I have faith in the team, as I know they themselves are fans, just like us. The fans hold the true power. Only the fans can bring something truly magical to life. An official game cannot compare to the efforts of the fans and what they can accomplish. The fan always remains loyal despite what may happen. I'm not saying the negative folks aren't fans, as we all are, and each has their own way of expressing their support for the series. LONG LIVE TSL AND POS!!
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: jen on November 10, 2007, 07:29:56 PM
And jen, great images !

Thanks!!!  I'm actually trying to work on more, and maybe better graphics.  See, For the domain I'll be getting in January, I'll have a small sub-site (each) dedicated to my four main loves from the 1980s (I'm an 80s baby since I was born in 1982)  Care Bears, Thundercats, Wildfire & Kings Quest....one of my problems is it seams I can't find many really good KQ images out there  (yeah, my decent Wildfire images are limited too), aside from this site, but that wouldn't be too legal  each show's section will have lots of content
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Tage7 on November 11, 2007, 12:21:49 AM
:(

I haven't check the forums in a long time. This is indeed very sad news. The project will not be the same without Say.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: daventry on November 14, 2007, 05:39:25 AM
So just to clarify, is 3 Chapters of TSL now dead and gone.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: koko_99_2001 on November 14, 2007, 05:50:05 AM
I don't believe that's ever been said.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: racx_00 on November 14, 2007, 05:54:16 AM
Yeah, I don't remember that being stated...
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: daventry on November 14, 2007, 07:14:38 AM
Well since Say is gone, it looks like we will maybe just maybe see the 3 Chapters in 2020.  ???
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Petra Rocks on November 14, 2007, 07:21:38 AM
An entirely unwarranted extrapolation from the data. Say was in charge of PR, not production. Her actions AFAIK did not further actual production an iota. Therefore, her departure does not effect production, and this should not change the release data at all.

 It does more or less destroy PR. It would be a good guess that we will not be seeing any more interviews or previews on Gamespy. That is what Say did, and that is what her loss will prevent the team from doing. However, it is elementary that PR does not equal, or even greatly effect, production. ;)
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: koko_99_2001 on November 14, 2007, 09:34:26 AM
I agree with Petra. While Say was AMAZING at her job, PR and production are two different fields. Thus, her being gone has no affect on when the games are coming out.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: beernutts on November 14, 2007, 11:34:46 AM
So just to clarify, is 3 Chapters of TSL now dead and gone.

Sadly, I think Chapters 1, 2, and 3 are not has beens, but never will be's.  :(
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: koko_99_2001 on November 14, 2007, 11:42:28 AM
*pokes everyone* Perk on up! It's a great day! Just so you know, there is a special contest going on right now for the fannatics. So, don't get your hopes down just yet :)
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: copycat on November 14, 2007, 01:56:43 PM
and this should not change the release data at all.
Release data, do you know something us ordinary fannatics do not? :P

Sadly, I think Chapters 1, 2, and 3 are not has beens, but never will be's.  :(
Yes, beernutts, I believe we're all aware of how you feel about this project so just knock it off already, okay?

Just so you know, there is a special contest going on right now for the fannatics.
There is? I wonder what the prize is. ::) ;D
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Petra Rocks on November 20, 2007, 07:49:58 AM
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Release data, do you know something us ordinary fannatics do not?

 That was a typo, it was supposed to be release date.  :-[
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: liggy002 on November 25, 2007, 01:48:27 PM
Jen, I was born in 82 also so I know exactly what you're talking about with those 80s shows.  ::Coughs:: Knight Rider  ::Coughs::  Power to the 80s people!
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: dark-daventry on November 30, 2007, 11:08:02 AM
The release date of at least Chapter 1 is DEFINITELY happening. That much I guarantee, mainly because of the fannatic contest. (And no, I'm not telling. I will say that it means that Shadows is a DEFINITE!!!) As for the other two chapters (The Two That Are One, and Eternities in that order) I cannot say for sure what will become of them, mainly because production so far as I know hasn't really been focused on them. Shadows has been the main focus, and Shadows is a Will Be. I can probably safely say that chapters 2 and 3 are still Will Be's, considering this dedicated team. And who knows: You may even get a chance to help MAKE the games  ;)... All you gotta do is apply, and see what happens from there... And as for PR, 'tis true it shall never be what it once was, but I know that there are places that would gladly publish interviews with the team (AKA MY WEBSITE!!!!!!!!!!!! XD). So, all in all, don't get down about TSL. A positive attitude inspires this team! If you're happy, then they are too! YOU are the ones that can help TSL come out, and so your attitudes greatly impact how TSL is done. If you stay positive, you'll be greatly rewarded. Trust me on this...
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Cez on November 30, 2007, 01:14:49 PM
You want to see some of the passion from say?  Check out these old posts of mine where she went berserk on me:
http://www.postudios.com/blog/forum/index.php?topic=135.0

Anyway, that was 4 1/2 years ago.  I still lurk every once in a while here just to see if the project has moved anywhere.  I did want to comment on this:

Quote
It's our fault to have tried to reach the stars. It's our fault to have tried to do something so blown out of proportions and that we weren't able to deliver. It is our fault we've missed deadlines.

Cesar said that, and it was what I had been saying from day 1.  If you look at my previous posts, you'll notice I started believe this project wouldn't get finished.  I said it was too big, and too much to under-take by an amateur team.

If my posts had been given some credibility instead of just being blasted and swept under the rug, you'd have known what I was saying was very relevant.

Then came the decision to just release the 1st 3rd of the game.  Yet, here we are, still waiting on something.

As I always end my posts here, I hope the team finishes this game (at least the 1st part), I'd like to play it, but, it seems to me, the writing's on the wall.  Good luck guys.


I don't usually listen to post that gives just a pessimistic statement without offering any solutions, which is exactly why I've always considered you a troll of sorts. If you are here to state that this game will never get finished, but keep on coming back year after year, that, in itself is a contradiction. If you want to be proven wrong is because somehow you'll believe you will be proven wrong. Otherwise we wouldn't have heard from you since about 3 years ago.

Now, yes, I did state that this project was more than we could undertake, but somehow we've managed to create something really amazing and that I'm really proud of. The last three months, since I moved to the Albany area, and can now meet with Richard and Michael and Neil at least once a month for overly long periods of times (at least Rich and I, since he's not working), I can now say that this project is reaching a conclusion and is looking better than ever.

If we don't appear publicly anymore or you don't hear from us a lot is because we decided to go quiet. This project will never be everything we wanted it to be, but it'll become something in people's hearts. I *could* reallistically say now that we are months away from a release, but because we never know what happens tomorrow, I'm not going to confim such an statement.

Something will come out of all of this. I told you guys we owe you, and we will commit, even if we are all aching to move on to the new project.

*opps*

;)
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: dark-daventry on November 30, 2007, 03:33:55 PM
*wonders what new project is* NOW I'm interested... But Cesar is right. Going quiet isn't neccesarily a bad thing. It could allow for more development time...
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: copycat on November 30, 2007, 07:00:06 PM
POS has always said they'd be releasing a commercial game after they finished the TSL project.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: awesomeasapossum on November 30, 2007, 07:12:47 PM
Wacky Heroes, right? Or was that scrapped?
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: copycat on November 30, 2007, 08:17:51 PM
That I can't remember, too detailed for my rubbish brain.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: MangoMercury on January 15, 2008, 02:53:48 PM
Wacky Heroes, right? Or was that scrapped?

I kinda feel bad that I let Wacky Heroes slip.  I bet I probably have the last unfinished strip lying around somewhere, as well as in my brain.

But I know this is several months late, but I am saddened that Say left - she really was a lot of fun on the forum back in the day when I was more active, and great in her PR position.

I do look forward to seeing how the project pans out still though - you go, TSL Team!
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: telepathic_cat on January 18, 2008, 07:50:31 PM
Wow....how did I miss this?  I'm sorry that this is so incredibly late and all.

Well, I didn't know you well Say.  In fact, I don't know if we even ever talked.  (Maybe twice at the most.)  Even so, I knew OF you and how incredibly integral you were to this project.  And, even on the forums, it seemed like you were always there.

I'm sorry that you left, and I'm sorry that this is so late.  (After all, you'll probably never even get this.)  But, goodbye nonetheless.

~t_c
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Oreldwin on January 26, 2008, 01:21:48 PM
Hello etc etc.

   I can't help but find it amusing that there are people who would go out of their way to make a Public post regarding a person whom they have never personally met or worked with, for the sole purpose of humiliating them.

    It has been years since I worked under Kq9 as Pr Director, and I can surely say that back then thing's were not easy. I can't pretend to imagine how things work now, but the fact remains that TSL is still undergoing and by the looks of it, progressing at a steady pace. There have been a lot of arguing and bickering and basically we all had our differences, especially when it comes to me and Say.

    As far as back as I can remember, she worked diligently day and night to help promote and build TSL across the Internet. In fact, if I recall correctly one of the main reasons Yonkey was hired, was because there was too much work to be done and ofcourse she could not handle it all by herself.Not to mention the fact that she also did work for other departments as well. I still remember how long she worked building this whole site, and I still remember pushing her to do a Flash site. On numerous occasions would fights ensue amonst us all, but her commitment to this project always led her back and ALWAYS did she bear fruit, so to speak. Every person has their own way of doing things, I don't see how anyone could complain with what is to show up to now...

    In any case, I said my piece. If you want someone to blame, blame people like me.


  Have fun and Happy belated New Years etc
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: FataliOmega on April 01, 2008, 05:41:29 AM
Thank you, Say.

God bless you, and take care.

You are missed.
Title: Re: Farewell TSL
Post by: Shades2585 on April 01, 2008, 07:08:42 AM
Indeed!

 I miss her a lot!  :'(