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Title: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: supermanflew on March 27, 2010, 08:06:34 PM
This is my first post, I've never felt the need to register.  About once every year I've checked here to see if this game has been completed, every year I'm disappointed.  And now, after the game has been finished, I find out you will not be releasing it because of some fascist company.  I know I have absolutely no right to say this, but I don't care, you guys are complete wimps.  10 years have gone into this game and you are throwing in the towel because of activision?!  How did you not go into this expecting it to happen!?  This is absolutely ridiculous.  Release the goddamn game already.  Who cares about them.  It was "accidentally" leaked on a torrent, or in IRC.. whups.  I mean come on, be a man and just release it.  At least change all the names with a simple word replacement script so it's not related to KQ at all and then release a script on the net from obscure hard to find locations that puts them all back.  It's really not all that complicated.  Hell, give me the game, and I'll make sure it gets out to the public without being linked to you guys at all.  God it makes me sick to my stomach how pathetic you all are being by just giving up when the game is already complete.  I can understand being discouraged if it was only 50% done.  But I just can't comprehend how any of you went into this not expecting to have to release it against these corporate fatcats wishes in the first place.  You put so much work into it, grow a pair and release it already. 

Apologies for the anger in my words, and I realize I don't deserve a say in this manner, but I just couldn't stand by and watch this all happen without at least saying something about how ridiculous you are all being.  If I developed a cure for cancer but I would face litigation if I were to release it due to many pharmaceutical companies going out of business you can bet your ass there would be instructions for the cure in every person's inbox as soon as humanly possible.
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: atec123 on March 27, 2010, 08:12:59 PM
umm ...... are you on crugs? :crugs: :P
but seriously..... I know its a long read, but read the cease and desist thread.  Then wait for someone smarter and nicer to answer you, because I am having a hard time not just cussing you out right now. :o

we will make it.

http://savetsl.co.cc
 :help:
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: Yonkey on March 27, 2010, 08:15:05 PM
supermanflew, as atec said, I strongly encourage you to read the C&D thread.  What you're suggesting has already been thoroughly discussed there.
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: oberonqa on March 27, 2010, 08:22:43 PM
supermanflew, as atec said, I strongly encourage you to read the C&D thread.  What you're suggesting has already been thoroughly discussed there.

lol... discussed five ways from Sunday and then some.  If you really want to help supermanflew, please check out the Save The Silver Lining Website (linked in both atec123's signature and my signature).  :)
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: waltzdancing on March 27, 2010, 08:25:42 PM
Don't give into despair. Keep a smile on your face and tell yourself we will get through this. If you want this game, as many of us do, check out our website, all the information you need is there.
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: atec123 on March 27, 2010, 08:35:07 PM
Don't give into despair. Keep a smile on your face and tell yourself we will get through this. If you want this game, as many of us do, check out our website, all the information you need is there.
qft.
I am a pessimist in general, but I really think we can do this.  And you can help.
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: waltzdancing on March 27, 2010, 08:39:37 PM
I am too and sometimes I feel like I just want give up, but I just have to tell myself, each day we are getting closer. Each day the finish line is coming closer and when the hard race over that victory lap will be so sweet. This is my same philosophy for getting through college
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: supermanflew on March 27, 2010, 08:44:04 PM
Well I read through the C&D forum.  All that I read was "blah blah blah we can't do this because it will come back to us and we will be sued"  Whenever someone asked "Why don't you change the names in the dialogue and some images so it's not linked to KQ" no one answers them.  Honestly, if you guys just never sent this to them for approval in the first place it probably would have gone unnoticed.  Petitions are not going to save this game, petitions are a joke, yet I still filled one out anyway.  I wish I was running this project, I would have released it already.  The only reason exclaimed as to why it can't be "leaked" is because supposedly it will come right back at you saying you were just being defiant because of the C&D.  So.. a disgruntled tester leaked it after hearing the C&D news, not that ridiculous.  Come on.  Let me be that disgruntled tester.  The whole world will be enjoying KQIX: Every Cloak Has a Silver Lining by morning.  Honestly part of me believes you all enjoyed the "secret exclusive TSL society" for so long you don't want to give that up by letting everyone enjoy it.

"I am too and sometimes I feel like I just want give up, but I just have to tell myself, each day we are getting closer. Each day the finish line is coming closer"   What in the hell are you talking about?!  They got a C&D letter.  The project is dead.  It was alive, every day they got a bout 2 millimeters closer because it took 10 years, but now it is dead.  They are not getting closer each day, because. it. is. dead.  There is no 'finish line'.  Honestly, it's like all the people who are apart of the project are just content with throwing out their hard work and only allowing themselves to play the game (kind of analogous to masturbation in my opinion), and every fan is in hardcore denial.
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: atec123 on March 27, 2010, 08:46:22 PM
this happened 5 years ago.

we made it.
need more be said?
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: supermanflew on March 27, 2010, 08:52:13 PM
This is very different.  Before it was because you had the same exact name.  That was essentially all you had to change.  You were acting like your game was apart of their franchise.  I don't blame them for making you change it.  But then they were reasonable and only requested that you change the name and that you could continue.  Activision is not understanding.  If you made a game that just remotely made mention of one of their games through an obscure inside joke of a reference on the back of an NPC's t-shirt that can only be seen for half a millisecond they would send you a C&D.  TSL is not coming back from this if they are going to curl up into the fetal position from a single letter.  Hell, from seeing how easy TSL caves, I bet I could have spoofed an email from "lawyer_guy12@aol.com" and said "no more tsl, we sue u!!" and they would have thrown in the cards.
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: Rider Jetfire on March 27, 2010, 08:53:20 PM
This is one of those "well why don't you do this, this, and this" situations and my response to this is, "if you think you can do it so well, go make your own game."  

It's really simple as that.  These people have put all kinds of time, money, heart, and soul into this game and you bashing them is not going to help.
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: atec123 on March 27, 2010, 08:58:20 PM
on another note, you must not have read the whole thread.  There is great information in there.  Like why would they do this with the risk.  (Sidenote: I am not on the team.  I am just a big fan)
So what?  Activision is evil but there are tons of possibilities.  I mean, that kotik dude could get fired.  I mean he is horrible.  Not just to TSL either.  Google him, you will find lots of stuff.  I don't see a reason not to try to stand up for TSL.   Being negative never turns out well.
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: supermanflew on March 27, 2010, 09:05:36 PM
Thanks rider.  That was really useful.  I'm not bashing them, I'm being inquisitive as to their nature.  It's beyond me.  And my point is exactly that, they put time, money, heart and soul into the game and cave without the slightest effort.  And I'll tell you one thing, If I did go make my own game, I wouldn't get thousands of people's hopes up and disappoint them because of some C&D letter.  I'd laugh in their faces and release it that day.  But then again, I would have released it without attempting to get it approved.  Just "sell" the game to someone in the netherlands, let them own it and host it for all to dl.  There are a million perfectly acceptable and safe routes to take.  And my inquisitions could help, because maybe it will open their eyes.  I imagine after the denial wears off in about a year and acceptance finally kicks that petitions will not do anything and that the project is finished yet will never be released that someone in the group will finally just release it.
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: waltzdancing on March 27, 2010, 09:05:56 PM
You are the type of person I try to avoid because I loose composure. However this is a time when I am going to give you a piece of my mind.

They sent the game to Activision because they were under and order by Vivindi who was bought by Activision. The fan licence was then place in Activisions care and many hoped they would honor a past agreement. POS did everything right, no matter what you say, they followed through with their end of the bargin.

On the note of petitions, they worked 5 years ago and they at least open someones eyes to how much anger is out their. They are receiving bad press all the time and this one isn't going away because of the Save TSL Movement, which I am a proud member of. We will continue to do what is necessary to get Activisions attention, if you don't want to help that is fine.

The part about leaking the game, is a cheaters way out of a problem and you aren't even making it better, the problem still exists you just took a short cut and in the end it will bite you. Activision is waiting to see what everyone does. I work for a lawyer and he is not cheap, no lawyer is cheap and the workers at POS are not getting paid for this game. It took so long because they have a regular 9-5 job and I bet they don't make enough to cover the court costs in which they could still lose.

You like to do all the big talk but in the end, if you were faced with a huge lawsuit or an attempt to make corrections or persuade another to change their mind, what would you do, huh? I fully support TSL's handling of the situation and we don't need you and your pessimistic attitude flooding the team who feels just as bad about this as the rest of us.

Last note, they kept everything secret because what the use of telling the story to everyone and then making a game. It has been the curiosity that has fueled my passion for  this game for a while now.

Rant over. >:(
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: oberonqa on March 27, 2010, 09:07:50 PM
Well I read through the C&D forum.  All that I read was "blah blah blah we can't do this because it will come back to us and we will be sued"  Whenever someone asked "Why don't you change the names in the dialogue and some images so it's not linked to KQ" no one answers them.  Honestly, if you guys just never sent this to them for approval in the first place it probably would have gone unnoticed.  Petitions are not going to save this game, petitions are a joke, yet I still filled one out anyway.  I wish I was running this project, I would have released it already.  The only reason exclaimed as to why it can't be "leaked" is because supposedly it will come right back at you saying you were just being defiant because of the C&D.  So.. a disgruntled tester leaked it after hearing the C&D news, not that ridiculous.  Come on.  Let me be that disgruntled tester.  The whole world will be enjoying KQIX: Every Cloak Has a Silver Lining by morning.  Honestly part of me believes you all enjoyed the "secret exclusive TSL society" for so long you don't want to give that up by letting everyone enjoy it.

"I am too and sometimes I feel like I just want give up, but I just have to tell myself, each day we are getting closer. Each day the finish line is coming closer"   What in the hell are you talking about?!  They got a C&D letter.  The project is dead.  It was alive, every day they got a bout 2 millimeters closer because it took 10 years, but now it is dead.  They are not getting closer each day, because. it. is. dead.  There is no 'finish line'.  Honestly, it's like all the people who are apart of the project are just content with throwing out their hard work and only allowing themselves to play the game (kind of analogous to masturbation in my opinion), and every fan is in hardcore denial.

Yea you didn't read the thread in it's entirety.  I spent about 5 minutes scanning the thread and came up with this little tidbit:

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The character names and likenesses, the locations possibly including several map layouts, and the background story that TSL's story is intimately woven into. Whether all of these would hold up in court as infringing materials or not is debatable, but it is still a difficult task to alter any of these materials whether separate or altogether. I am not, however, debating the fact that it may very well come to this if they want to release the game. I'm just saying it'll take a while to achieve.

That was at the top of page 9 by the way....
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: atec123 on March 27, 2010, 09:12:02 PM
You are the type of person I try to avoid because I loose composure. However this is a time when I am going to give you a piece of my mind.

They sent the game to Activision because they were under and order by Vivindi who was bought by Activision. The fan licence was then place in Activisions care and many hoped they would honor a past agreement. POS did everything right, no matter what you say, they followed through with their end of the bargin.

On the note of petitions, they worked 5 years ago and they at least open someones eyes to how much anger is out their. They are receiving bad press all the time and this one isn't going away because of the Save TSL Movement, which I am a proud member of. We will continue to do what is necessary to get Activisions attention, if you don't want to help that is fine.

The part about leaking the game, is a cheaters way out of a problem and you aren't even making it better, the problem still exists you just took a short cut and in the end it will bite you. Activision is waiting to see what everyone does. I work for a lawyer and he is not cheap, no lawyer is cheap and the workers at POS are not getting paid for this game. It took so long because they have a regular 9-5 job and I bet they don't make enough to cover the court costs in which they could still lose.

You like to do all the big talk but in the end, if you were faced with a huge lawsuit or an attempt to make corrections or persuade another to change their mind, what would you do, huh? I fully support TSL's handling of the situation and we don't need you and your pessimistic attitude flooding the team who feels just as bad about this as the rest of us.

Last note, they kept everything secret because what the use of telling the story to everyone and then making a game. It has been the curiosity that has fueled my passion for  this game for a while now.

Rant over. >:(
qft.  Could not have said it better my self.
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Yea you didn't read the thread in it's entirety.  I spent about 5 minutes scanning the thread and came up with this little tidbit:

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The character names and likenesses, the locations possibly including several map layouts, and the background story that TSL's story is intimately woven into. Whether all of these would hold up in court as infringing materials or not is debatable, but it is still a difficult task to alter any of these materials whether separate or altogether. I am not, however, debating the fact that it may very well come to this if they want to release the game. I'm just saying it'll take a while to achieve.
I have read the whole thing a lot of times.  I am tired and don't feel like it right now, but you can find great answers to all your questions in the thread.  Search erpys recent posts -- he has made some good points that answer your questions.
Anyway...  if you fight against the team, you aren't helping, and it is unwise if you  want TSL relesed.

help us save tsl
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: oberonqa on March 27, 2010, 09:14:00 PM
Oh and I wish you were running the project.  That way you could get slapped with the nice big lawsuit for not abiding by a C&D.  The whole topic of "leaking" was also discussed into the ground in the C&D thread (most notably on Page 7 onwards).

And as for your argument about just releasing the game instead of showing Activision first, here's a news flash.  The fan license the team has from Vivendi stipulated Vivendi had final approval rights before the game was released.  If POS had simply released the game... they would have been in breach of their license with Vivendi (which was acquired by Activision).  

So either way you cut it... lawsuit city.  Like I said though... a pity you weren't running the project.  Maybe a big legal battle would have taught you the value of thinking before you act (a lesson you clearly didn't learn from playing King's Quest).
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: waltzdancing on March 27, 2010, 09:16:50 PM
And there are no redo's in real life, no load button to correct any mistake.
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: supermanflew on March 27, 2010, 09:21:06 PM
Hmm, sorry I missed that.  There was 30 pages, I scanned looking for that kind of information skipping the consistent "I'm so sad, etc." posts.  And waltzdancing, I have been in situations dealing with lawsuits.  My company pushes the "grey area" all the time.  We just aren't scared of lawyers.  Do what everyone else does.  Accept donations, add advertisements, charge for the game, etc.  And I was expecting a piece of your mind, you didn't loose composure at all :)

(Posted on: March 27, 2010, 11:17:47 PM)


"Oh and I wish you were running the project.  That way you could get slapped with the nice big lawsuit for not abiding by a C&D."  I would love to.  Give me full responsibility for the game.  I will ensure it gets released and I and everyone will be safe, I assure you.

(Posted on: March 27, 2010, 11:19:13 PM)


Should never have gotten the fan license in the first place, there, problem solved, no more stipulations.
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: Rider Jetfire on March 27, 2010, 09:21:24 PM
You like to do all the big talk but in the end, if you were faced with a huge lawsuit or an attempt to make corrections or persuade another to change their mind, what would you do, huh? I fully support TSL's handling of the situation and we don't need you and your pessimistic attitude flooding the team who feels just as bad about this as the rest of us.

Last note, they kept everything secret because what the use of telling the story to everyone and then making a game. It has been the curiosity that has fueled my passion for  this game for a while now.

Rant over. >:(

I 100% agree.  Seriously, no matter what happened, if this game in any way got released at this point and time, the team would get sued, and no one wants that.

As someone whose known people who've worked on fan films, they often get the same kind of complains about not releasing it because of a higher corporatins wishes.  Their response is often that it would irreveribly damge any possible chances of future fan films to get released.

Right now, if the TSL team can work something out with Activision, we will get to see the game, and possibly more.  If they just leaked it on the internet, we'd get the game, but zero hope of anything following it.

So for now, as they say, "fight the good fight."
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: waltzdancing on March 27, 2010, 09:24:16 PM
I'm not afraid of lawyer's either, but I am afraid of an empty purse at the end of the week because I am busy paying for a lawyer. I hate gray area. I am a logical person, watched to much of Mr. Spock growing up, and I like my things to be either right or wrong. If it needs to come down to donations, I would rather it be to purchasing the IP and not to a court battle that I could potentially lose. And thanks for saying I didn't lose my composure.  ;)
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: oberonqa on March 27, 2010, 09:24:38 PM
Hmm, sorry I missed that.  There was 30 pages, I scanned looking for that kind of information skipping the consistent "I'm so sad, etc." posts.  And waltzdancing, I have been in situations dealing with lawsuits.  My company pushes the "grey area" all the time.  We just aren't scared of lawyers.  Do what everyone else does.  Accept donations, add advertisements, charge for the game, etc.  And I was expecting a piece of your mind, you didn't loose composure at all :)

(Posted on: March 27, 2010, 11:17:47 PM)


"Oh and I wish you were running the project.  That way you could get slapped with the nice big lawsuit for not abiding by a C&D."  I would love to.  Give me full responsibility for the game.  I will ensure it gets released and I and everyone will be safe, I assure you.

It's easy to make a promise like that... but I sincerely doubt you have the foggiest idea of what you are talking about.  You say you work for a company that is always "pushing the grey area"... well the key phrase here is you WORK.  That means you probably get paid.  Ergo the risk of pushing the grey area is balanced by the money you make.

The TSL team did this game for FREE.  They haven't made any money on it and they have everything to loose by risking a lawsuit.  Oh sure you would get the game... everyone would get the game.  And the TSL development team would spend the next couple of years in a legal battle with Activision.  They get to pour lots of money into legal fees and whatnot... while you get your game.

Why does that sound very one-sided?
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: supermanflew on March 27, 2010, 09:26:24 PM
"Right now, if the TSL team can work something out with Activision, we will get to see the game, and possibly more.  If they just leaked it on the internet, we'd get the game, but zero hope of anything following it."

I'd rather the latter than the more realistic result of never seeing the game at all.  Just my two cents.
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: Rider Jetfire on March 27, 2010, 09:27:19 PM

The TSL team did this game for FREE.  They haven't made any money on it and they have everything to loose by risking a lawsuit.  Oh sure you would get the game... everyone would get the game.  And the TSL development team would spend the next couple of years in a legal battle with Activision.  They get to pour lots of money into legal fees and whatnot... while you get your game.

Why does that sound very one-sided?

Because apparently, being selfish is FUN! >:(
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: oberonqa on March 27, 2010, 09:28:10 PM
"Right now, if the TSL team can work something out with Activision, we will get to see the game, and possibly more.  If they just leaked it on the internet, we'd get the game, but zero hope of anything following it."

I'd rather the latter than the more realistic result of never seeing the game at all.  Just my two cents.

So as long as you get to play the game, nothing else matters?
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: waltzdancing on March 27, 2010, 09:29:23 PM
We will see the game even if the team has to rework it. Everyone here will know what it is and who is who. I have been waiting since 1998 for another kings quest game and a the waiting hasn't killed me yet or any other fan, it has made our mouth water.
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: Rider Jetfire on March 27, 2010, 09:30:05 PM
"Right now, if the TSL team can work something out with Activision, we will get to see the game, and possibly more.  If they just leaked it on the internet, we'd get the game, but zero hope of anything following it."

I'd rather the latter than the more realistic result of never seeing the game at all.  Just my two cents.

Which, one again, is incredibly selfish.  Are you depriving all of us other King's Quest fans the hope of seeing more?  
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: supermanflew on March 27, 2010, 09:31:13 PM
I "work" for a company that I own.  I know far more about lawsuits and contention than you could imagine.  And if you read my post I explained ways to offset costs.  There is a huge fanbase here, they could easily monetize that.  Also, if they gave me all rights and ownership for TSL then whatever I did with it would land on me, not them.  And I would get away with it, so it wouldn't be one sided in the slightest.  I think you skipped over my posts.
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: oberonqa on March 27, 2010, 09:32:15 PM
We will see the game even if the team has to rework it. Everyone here will know what it is and who is who. I have been waiting since 1998 for another kings quest game and a the waiting hasn't killed me yet or any other fan, it has made our mouth water.

Exactly.  All this talk of leaking the game and playing what-if scenarios is self-serving and... more importantly:  selfish and redundant.  The team has already said that if all else failed, they would rework the game to remove all KQ elements and release the game that way (it's mentioned in one or two of the post C&D interviews).  

Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: supermanflew on March 27, 2010, 09:34:21 PM
No, because I could carealess to play the game without any way of restoring the KQ elements.  I'm not being selfish, you didn't even read my post, or understand it apparently.  I said I'd rather have the latter rather than no game at all.  I'll break it down for you, since the game will never be allowed to be released, ever, leaking it will at least let us play the one game.  But.. since it will never be released, there will never be a sequel.  So there is no selfishness in that.  Let me know if I need to clarify further.
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: waltzdancing on March 27, 2010, 09:35:13 PM
I think Activision is a bit bigger than your company and could still milk you for all you are worth if you tried it. They have proved to be a big old nasty shark in the calm waters and that shark is going to eat everything it sees.
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: Rider Jetfire on March 27, 2010, 09:35:30 PM
I "work" for a company that I own.  I know far more about lawsuits and contention than you could imagine.  And if you read my post I explained ways to offset costs.  There is a huge fanbase here, they could easily monetize that.  Also, if they gave me all rights and ownership for TSL then whatever I did with it would land on me, not them.  And I would get away with it, so it wouldn't be one sided in the slightest.  I think you skipped over my posts.

Because the team is totally going to give the game they spent 8 years on to some random guy who "thinks" he can get it released without any legal backlash.  As one Mr. Spock would say, "Highly illogical."
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: oberonqa on March 27, 2010, 09:36:29 PM
I "work" for a company that I own.  I know far more about lawsuits and contention than you could imagine.  And if you read my post I explained ways to offset costs.  There is a huge fanbase here, they could easily monetize that.  Also, if they gave me all rights and ownership for TSL then whatever I did with it would land on me, not them.  And I would get away with it, so it wouldn't be one sided in the slightest.  I think you skipped over my posts.

It's kind of hard to say I skipped over your posts when I'm directly quoting your posts.  And, for the sake of conversation... let's hear you out here.  What would you do to avoid the inevitable lawsuit that came from breaching the C&D?  Give me specifics since you know more about lawsuits and contention than I could imagine.  Give me specifics of what legal defense you would raise to justify your breaching the C&D.

If you can't give specifics... then I stand by my assessment that what you want is exceedingly selfish and aimed towards nothing more than self-gratification.
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: supermanflew on March 27, 2010, 09:37:01 PM
waltzdancing, it would never come to that.

and rider, I just reread your post and couldn't help be laugh.  "Depriving us from seeing more".  You'll never see the first one, and you're holding out for a sequel.
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: Rider Jetfire on March 27, 2010, 09:38:56 PM
waltzdancing, it would never come to that.

and rider, I just reread your post and couldn't help be laugh.  "Depriving us from seeing more".  You'll never see the first one, and you're holding out for a sequel.

Want to know something?  The King's Quest series has given me a lot of hope over the years so I will hope as much as I want, particularly when it comes to seeing a new King's Quest game! >:(
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: supermanflew on March 27, 2010, 09:42:13 PM
"Because the team is totally going to give the game they spent 8 years on to some random guy who "thinks" he can get it released without any legal backlash.  As one Mr. Spock would say, "Highly illogical.""  I'm sorry to resort to petty insults but you are a complete tool.  Of course they wouldn't hand it over to me, it was all hypo.. you know what, I'm not even going to explain it.

"If you can't give specifics... then I stand by my assessment that what you want is exceedingly selfish and aimed towards nothing more than self-gratification."

It wouldn't be self-gratification.  Why do you assume I'm only thinking of me and being selfish?  It would be for all of the fans and especially for the creators!  They would get to see their game in the hands of thousands of fans.  I don't understand why you assume I'm the evil one here.  Also, it would never get to court, I have ways and know people in many countries.  If activision wants to try and sue the netherlands then let them try and fail miserably.

(Posted on: March 27, 2010, 11:40:22 PM)


Anyway, I'm done arguing with you folks.  I'm going to bed.  I'll jump on here in a year or two and see how the petitions are going.  Take care.
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: oberonqa on March 27, 2010, 09:43:32 PM
"Because the team is totally going to give the game they spent 8 years on to some random guy who "thinks" he can get it released without any legal backlash.  As one Mr. Spock would say, "Highly illogical.""  I'm sorry to resort to petty insults but you are a complete tool.  Of course they wouldn't hand it over to me, it was all hypo.. you know what, I'm not even going to explain it.

"If you can't give specifics... then I stand by my assessment that what you want is exceedingly selfish and aimed towards nothing more than self-gratification."

It wouldn't be self-gratification.  Why do you assume I'm only thinking of me and being selfish?  It would be for all of the fans and especially for the creators!  They would get to see their game in the hands of thousands of fans.  I don't understand why you assume I'm the evil one here.  Also, it would never get to court, I have ways and know people in many countries.  If activision wants to try and sue the netherlands then let them try and fail miserably.

International copyright law is one of the jurisdictions of INTERPOL... hence why someone in Australlia who uploads a copy of Super Mario Bros Wii ends up with a 1.5 million dollar damages judgement against him (also mentioned in the C&D thread with links I might add).
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: Rider Jetfire on March 27, 2010, 09:43:51 PM
As they say, "See ya, wouldn't wanna be ya."
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: waltzdancing on March 27, 2010, 09:45:02 PM
I find your arrogance some what distasteful, Activision would take it all from you and if they didn't in a court of law, I would love to hear how you would defend yourself. Activision owns the rights and according to the law, they have everyright to shut down a project, no matter what if it hints at their IP. If you want to help see this game, talk to your lawyers on Monday and have them contact TSL if they think they could win.
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: supermanflew on March 27, 2010, 09:45:10 PM
Yeah and that's why the piratebay.org has been shutdown.  Oh wait, is that.. is that the site that has been attempted to be sued hundreds of times but they can't be touched?  Oh, wait.. is that site in a country that doesn't follow these petty international laws you mention? Oh wait I think it is...
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: oberonqa on March 27, 2010, 09:46:24 PM
As they say, "See ya, wouldn't wanna be ya."

Lol... pretty much.  He is unwilling to state his case in detail and instead chooses to rely on general statements that are, coincidentally enough, lacking in details.  And so he packs up his ball and goes home.
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: waltzdancing on March 27, 2010, 09:47:04 PM
POS has other plans as well for their own games. If they leaked the game then their reputation would be destroyed and nobody would do business with them.
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: Rider Jetfire on March 27, 2010, 09:47:45 PM
Yeah and that's why the piratebay.org has been shutdown.  Oh wait, is that.. is that the site that has been attempted to be sued hundreds of times but they can't be touched?  Oh, wait.. is that site in a country that doesn't follow these petty international laws you mention? Oh wait I think it is...
Remember how you just called me a tool?   ....Yeah, because we want the King's Quest series to be in the kind of legal crap pile thepiratebay is in.  
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: oberonqa on March 27, 2010, 09:49:20 PM
Yeah and that's why the piratebay.org has been shutdown.  Oh wait, is that.. is that the site that has been attempted to be sued hundreds of times but they can't be touched?  Oh, wait.. is that site in a country that doesn't follow these petty international laws you mention? Oh wait I think it is...

They took down their tracker as a result of one of those lawsuits, as it was shown that the tracker they were running was a direct link in the distribution of copyrighted material.  They even have a nice disclaimer on the site now that states something to the effect of "we are not responsible for any link posted on this site and all torrents are hosted on other trackers."
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: supermanflew on March 27, 2010, 09:52:31 PM
Heh, I wouldn't need lawyers.  As I've said before.  I'm not being arrogant, I apologize if I sound arrogant I'm simply stating fact that I am aware of.  But as I said before I'm going to bed now.  Good luck.

Psh, just saw your post rider.  You want details.  I've already said exactly what i'd do you complete moron.  Offshore hosting in the netherlands cannot be touched.  I'm sorry you can't comprehend this.  And I'm packing up now because I'm tired of talking to a pissant like you.  tpb is not in any legal crap you moron.  And yes, you are a tool.  Go quote spock some more.  And no, they have no such disclaimer, as they simply have no legal repercussions.  Anyway, I am done.  Have fun not playing your game.

(Posted on: March 27, 2010, 11:50:48 PM)


oh yeah i see that disclaimer.  So what?  It's like a pack of smokes say smoking will kill you.
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: I_am_so_nifty on March 27, 2010, 09:53:15 PM
But.. since it will never be released, there will never be a sequel.

And yet, the Save TSL movement could effectively make it so that it can both be released and have sequels . . .

Heh, I wouldn't need lawyers.  As I've said before.  I'm not being arrogant, I apologize if I sound arrogant I'm simply stating fact that I am aware of.  But as I said before I'm going to bed now.  Good luck.

Psh, just saw your post rider.  You want details.  I've already said exactly what i'd do you complete moron.  Offshore hosting in the netherlands cannot be touched.  I'm sorry you can't comprehend this.  And I'm packing up now because I'm tired of talking to a pissant like you.  tpb is not in any legal crap you moron.  And yes, you are a tool.  Go quote spock some more.  And no, they have no such disclaimer, as they simply have no legal repercussions.  Anyway, I am done.  Have fun not playing your game.

Name calling will get you nowhere . . .  ;D
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: oberonqa on March 27, 2010, 09:55:29 PM
Heh, I wouldn't need lawyers.  As I've said before.  I'm not being arrogant, I apologize if I sound arrogant I'm simply stating fact that I am aware of.  But as I said before I'm going to bed now.  Good luck.

Psh, just saw your post rider.  You want details.  I've already said exactly what i'd do you complete moron.  Offshore hosting in the netherlands cannot be touched.  I'm sorry you can't comprehend this.  And I'm packing up now because I'm tired of talking to a pissant like you.  tpb is not in any legal crap you moron.  And yes, you are a tool.  Go quote spock some more.  And no, they have no such disclaimer, as they simply have no legal repercussions.  Anyway, I am done.  Have fun not playing your game.

(Posted on: March 27, 2010, 11:50:48 PM)


oh yeah i see that disclaimer.  So what?  It's like a pack of smokes say smoking will kill you.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090417/0129274535.shtml

http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/industry/e3i8c42c2e07eaa0e327d9692599e9cb70b

Wow... seems like an aweful lot of legal action for something that you claim cannot be touched....
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: Rider Jetfire on March 27, 2010, 09:56:10 PM
Heh, I wouldn't need lawyers.  As I've said before.  I'm not being arrogant, I apologize if I sound arrogant I'm simply stating fact that I am aware of.  But as I said before I'm going to bed now.  Good luck.

Psh, just saw your post rider.  You want details.  I've already said exactly what i'd do you complete moron.  Offshore hosting in the netherlands cannot be touched.  I'm sorry you can't comprehend this.  And I'm packing up now because I'm tired of talking to a pissant like you.  tpb is not in any legal crap you moron.  And yes, you are a tool.  Go quote spock some more.  And no, they have no such disclaimer, as they simply have no legal repercussions.  Anyway, I am done.  Have fun not playing your game.

(Posted on: March 27, 2010, 11:50:48 PM)


oh yeah i see that disclaimer.  So what?  It's like a pack of smokes say smoking will kill you.

It is extremely ironic that you think posting here is going to change any one's mind.  If anything, people from the team will see this and say, "Wow, all these people really support us and really don't want us to leak it."

So thank you good sir, you have made sure the team and it's fans have that much more hope of the game being released! ;D
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: waltzdancing on March 27, 2010, 09:59:20 PM
You are obviously not a person with very high standards if you would release something through another country just so you could have your game and you could hide behind an international copyright law. I am pretty much done here because we are obviously two different people and completely different standards on how to approach life and situations.
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: I_am_so_nifty on March 27, 2010, 10:04:08 PM
You are obviously not a person with very high standards if you would release something through another country just so you could have your game and you could hide behind an international copyright law. I am pretty much done here because we are obviously two different people and completely different standards on how to approach life and situations.

I couldn't have put it better myself.
Title: Re: What is wrong with you guys.
Post by: Yonkey on March 27, 2010, 10:42:40 PM
Now that supermanflew's rant is over, I'll just say a few words.

Anyone that knows me, knows that ever since I've joined this project, I promised myself that I would do everything in my power to ensure it sees the light of day.  I understand supermanflew's passion, and I think his only mistake is that he based his logic on the wrong premise -- that he feels we've given up.

To that, I say nothing could be further from the truth.  Over the course of 8 years, this game has been through many ups and downs.  Through them all we have stayed the course and come out on top.  In life, there are always going to be obstacles preventing you from doing what you truly desire.  Success is based on how well you can navigate through them.

With that said, I encourage you to just try to relax and put your trust in both our team, and the Save TSL team.