Isn't he the friend of the royal family who moved into Mannannan's house after Alexander turned him into a cat? And he also wrote the novel version of KQ6 for Alexander?
He only existed in the King's Quest Companion, am I right?
He wrote just about all of the novel versions if I remember correctly.
when i said novels i meant the stories in the companion
Good deal, thanks setting me strait. I wouldn’t want such an important scholar. I wonder if he’d give me his autograph?
What? My autograph? lol ;D :P ::) ;P
He also 'wrote' The Eye Between Worlds.
Ok, that sounds super familiar. Remind me again? See this guy rocks, we should have him to our next KQ9 ladies auxiliary luncheon!
No office to the ladies, I’m also forming a KQ9 bowling league so all genders are represented. I’d invite him to that but I don’t know if he can bowl. ???
Quote from: Pindarus on March 11, 2004, 02:12:53 PM
What? My autograph? lol ;D :P ::) ;P
Lol, does that mean you are Derek? ;)
;P
of course I am.
I never read any of the KQ books or companions, so I only know Derek Karlavaegen from the KQ6 manual... don't think I'll miss him if he doesn't appear in KQ9 8)
Karlavaegan was the man.
I recall him being the one who used the mysterious computer in KQ3 or something...
yep
Quote from: Oldbushie on March 13, 2004, 05:21:32 PM
I recall him being the one who used the mysterious computer in KQ3 or something...
Mysterious computer? ???
In Manananananannnnan's room.
Why don't I remember that? Where exactly in his room?
His bedroom or labratory?
his bedroom
Why do I not remember this?
It kind of blended in with the background.
You really would recognize it for what it was unless you were looking for it.
Where is it at in his bedroom?
So Manannan had a PC? Was it he or Karlavaegen had DSL installed?
Don't know if Covad will come out to Llewdor :o. They never want to come to my house ???
Quote from: Pindarus on March 13, 2004, 06:57:06 PM
It kind of blended in with the background.
You really would recognize it for what it was unless you were looking for it.
Where? ???
(http://www.sierraplanet.com/~ugarte/KQ/kq3-4.jpg)
Oops, sorry, I meant to say his library. :-[
Still can't find a computer...
(http://www.sierraplanet.com/~ugarte/KQ/kq3-5.jpg)
I know! it's a laptop! he keeps it in his desk drawer ;)
Its on the wall
Me guess?
Peace & Luv, Liz
That might be it. Its been a while so I don't remember exactly. I think you can actually look at it and it will talk about it.
See this is what we need significant historians from Daventry to tell us!
Has anybody else wondered what kind of PC the old Wizard bought? Dell, Gateway? a Mac? Perhaps he built it himself but then again he didn’t have a handy CompUSA or Bestbuy?
That's a computer? it looks just like some EGA books to me :P
I think it may be the grey thing on the other wall.
Novelization of King’s Quest IX… neat idea… Have no idea if that world work, but it is an intriguing idea.
I should get the “KQ Companion†off of ebay, awesome book! Got it from my local library a few times but never got around to buying it…
I heard somewhere derek was the name of someone mixed up...Karleve-whatchu call it?
Derek Karlavaegen = Kevlar Deek Reagan?
:suffer: :suffer:
My last post before I go to sleep...you people are keeping me awake!!
Anyhow, I once had an idea for a fanfic based around Derek. It was about how he met the royal family, but I've since forgotten the rest of it. With luck, some day, I shall remember it.
I have only the 1-5 version of the companion. It's *great*. My one complaint is that, personally, I still think KQ2 was a piece of ____ as far as story and plot goes. Even with the novelization.
Somebody should just have rewritten it in the Companion with the plot of the AGDI remake.
You're welcome to read it.....if you can help me remember the plot for it!
Although, I had an interesting idea after playing KQ3 and QfG5. Somebody tells you Silmaria was once plagued by pirates and I thought "Hey, and why not pirates from Llewdor, even if it *is* a totally different game series?" I figured, why not have them looking for the blackbird? That puts them in immediate conflict with our Hero...... I'll need to get to work on that one before I forget it...that does tend to happen, I have too many ideas floating around in my head.
Is any of Peter Spear's King's Quest Companion works going to be um...influencial in KQIX? Such as Derek Karlavaegan (sp?)? I know he won't be in the game, but is there mention of him?
Yeah, that's be a pretty spiffy easter egg type thing. :) You know junkies looooove inside references. ;)
In the Companion didn't it say something about Derek Karlavaegen transporting newspaper transcripts, letters, even pictures using the eye between the world's? Although it even surmises me that he managed to get an internet connection all the way over in Lewdor . Mary Jane, could you possibly send me something? Like a transscript about Edgar and Rosella's marriage (assuming that they did get married, of course) :P.
If it's not Derek Karlavaegen, who is that voice in the third teaser?! :P
I first heard about Derek Karlavaegen online, from sites like this. I have got to get the KQ companion. Is some of it found in the KQ collection guidebook? I have the KQ collection, and the guidebook/manual is quite interesting. If you want fanfiction to read, go to the fanfiction thread on the forums and read my stories.
That Derek guy better hope Mannannan is never turned back from a cat. He'll end up being first against the wall.
...with a splat.
Apparantly, they were gone when Derek moved in :P
I wonder what Derek will do if Manannan comes back or is transformed inot a man again, or if Mordack comes to the house. I wonder if Derek knows magic? Is he supose to be from our world, and somehow he found his way to the KQ universe? If Manannan and Mordack return, you'd better run Derek, run!
He knows magic and practises it daily, but he wouldn't go so far as to call himself a mage. He's not from our world, he was born in Daventry.
Mordack is dead, but Mannannan would write Derek into his latest history chapter.
Manannan is still bagged :P
And either way, he wouldn't be a man. :P
Well technically Derek doesn't know if Manannan is still bagged or escaped somehow. As he mentioned in the book heh heh.
Also the material wasn't all written by Derek Karlavaegen. Some of the material was Peter Spear discussing how the material came into his hands. Some of the material that was sent to him from Derek, were either written or direct words by other authors including, Gerwain(KQII chronicle), Alexander(A Magical Primer, Iconomancy: A Magic Without Words, KQ3 interview with Derek), Valanice(KQIV chronicle), unknown authors(excerpts from the Sorcery of Old, and KQ7 chronicle)
Also I think there is one refrence in which Derek either refers to himself as a "magician", or someone else refers to him as one. However he is never referred to as a "mage". He's as much of a magician as Alexander is one (Alexander has written essay's on magic).
He's dabbles but is not some all powerful sorcerer.
Also its also mentioned that Derek felt fortunate, if not unduly lucky that Mordack left him uncathed for having moved into his brother's house heh heh.
Just a quick thought,
I read somewhere that Derek actually disappeared on his last voyage to the Land of the Green Isles and actually passed away there (well...he never returned from the Isles at any rate so there is still room for him to be alive, though I think he would be mighty old, when he wrote the Guidebook to the Land of the Green Isles he was talking about ol' King Alaphim before he had any children...if King Calaphim was fairly old in KQ VI then who knows how old Derek would be?)
Just a thought...
He didn't die there, it says he handed one copy of the guidebook to the queen and kept one for himself, the Caliphim summoned his enchanter and Derek was transported back to Serenia, where he originally wanted to land. It says so in the Guidebook :)
Yep and the copy of the guidebook he kept he later gave to Alexander so he would know a bit more about the customs of hte land before making his journey to the Green Isles (the copy was lost when Alexander crashed on the islands). It was the fact Alexander read a copy of the guidebook that he basic knowledge of the Ancients alphabet and legends which helped him with the cliff of logic, as well as his time in the catacombs.
Later on Derek ended up chronicling the events of Alexander's adventure for the wedding.
Last time Derek contacted our Earth, he wrote an essay on why he didn't believe the events of King's Quest 7 actually took place and might be essentially be tabloid rumors from citizens of their world or that a great dreamer from our earth was altering their world magically. But he admitted his opinion may be wrong.
As for Derek's refrences to King Aliphim(one of Caliphim's ancestors) he was talking about green isles history of the past, not history he was a witness to.
As for when Derek visited the Green Isles? It was actually before Cassima was born. Derek says events of KQ6 happened almost 2 decades from the time he was last in the Green Isles.
So Derek's middle aged now :P
Isn't he like, 500 years old now? :P
more like forty ;P
Or 60. He was probably a bit older than Graham when he first chronicled everything. ;)
I actually like to think that Derek is the old gnome near the end of KQ3.
He is certaintly old enough, and he was able to get in the castle, even he himself said that no one was allowed in.
I don't know...I like to think of the gnome as Nikstlitselpmur :P
Actually Derek is human.
However Derek's writings implies that the gnome from KQ5 is the same gnome in KQ1, and KQ5(he apparently moved to Serenia to live with his grandson). According to Derek, King Graham remembered the gnome in KQ5 and was sure he met him back when he was searching for the 3 treasures.
So its possible that the one in KQ3 is the same one as well (they used the same sprite in KQ1 and KQ3 of course). Though since Alexander never met the gnome previously he had no way to connect the gnome to the one his father met so its not established during his "Daventry People" interview with Derek.
BTW, the book implies that Nikstlitselpmur, or Ifnkovhgroghprm(if you prefer) may actually be the actual Rumplestiltskin, but since he was living in a "backwards" part of the country at the time he was only going by backward's versions of his name (generally the backward's alphabet version according to Derek).
Now the earliest writing we know of from Derek is his KQ1 court chronicle which he wrote the same night that King Graham returned from his journey. But it doesn't give any indication of his age at the time though. However we do know that he was Daventry's court scribe at that time.
Note its not confirmed but he may have also written or helped write the chronicle of how Edward lost the 3 treasures as stated in KQ1 manual (the closest indication we have is Derek says during his chronicle of KQ1 and I paraphrase "elsewhere we have recounted how Edward lost the three treasures").
Artwork of Derek from the Guidebook;
(http://www.sq7.org/KQ/images/5/5f/Karlavaegen.PNG)
Quote from: Baggins on June 16, 2006, 07:04:47 AM
Artwork of Derek from the Guidebook;
(http://www.sq7.org/KQ/images/5/5f/Karlavaegen.PNG)
Is it just me, or does Derek look like Graham with a white hat? ;P
LOL, ya kinda(the colors are similar).
Though the hat he wears is different than Graham's style, though its hard to tell the shape of his hat in that particular piece of artwork. The hat design is more clear in other artwork in the guidebook, but that's closest Derek has to a "closeup" however.
Speaking of Graham with a white hat(or actually white and purple);
(http://www.sq7.org/KQ/images/2/23/Grahamsms.PNG)
From where is that? :P
King's Quest 1 for the Sega Master System.
The story went more or less like this: "Peter Spear claimed to have gotten emails from a hacker who called himself Derek Karlavaegen, after changing address's and setting up other precautions he was forced to accept the fact that Derek and Daventry were real. Apparantly, we're either great dreamers or some kinds of gods to the people in Daventry. We spin their fate and alter their reality. Derek also mentioned Mordack years before KQ5 was even being written, so Jane Jenson wrote the companion in Derek's name and we're forced to come to the conclusion that Jane Jenson is Derek XD" , didn't it? :P
Of course! Daventry is real! XD And the gnome was a castle spy! XD
XD
Of course he was, and I'm Duchess Deloria Of Daventry XD
*starts saluting the Deloria flag* :D
Exactly :P You can also do that in my threade, though :P
QuoteThe story went more or less like this: "Peter Spear claimed to have gotten emails from a hacker who called himself Derek Karlavaegen, after changing address's and setting up other precautions he was forced to accept the fact that Derek and Daventry were real.
Well he wasn't really a hacker he just sent emails to Peter Spear. If sending emails makes people hackers there are alot of hackers in the world :p...
The Eye between the Worlds apparently linked to Jane Jenson, Peter Spear's and Eluki Bes Shahar, who knows how many else. He didn't specifically know who he was sending messages to he just hoped there was someone on the other end to read the messages. He had picked up messages that came to him on the eye as well. Telling him how the King's Quest games were popular in our world. Having read information about the games, came to the realization that they were retellings of the history of his world and that some "Great Dreamer" had somehow tapped into his world.
It was hearing about the games that lead him to want to chronicle what really happened, so he sent messages over to the other side in hopes someone would read them, and learn the "true history".
If anything Derek was an early spammer, as he had apparently been sending out these messages to as many people as possible in hopes someone would read them :p...
Now if any hacking was involved its more than likely the hacking protocols were set up by Manannan for whatever diabolical plans he had for the other world... or as Derek puts it maybe he only had curiosity.
That being said it apparently wasn't plugged into any electricity so the eye seems to function by use of magic... It may automatically link onto people's mailboxes by use of magic as well... Cause Derek implies he didn't try to send it to anyone specific, all he did was type up his documents up and hit a "send" key.
That being said technology is rather uncommon in the world of Daventry as science is usually frowned upon or feared.
QuoteApparantly, we're either great dreamers or some kinds of gods to the people in Daventry.
Roberta Williams is actually the Great Dreamer. We aren't gods we are "ancestors" according to Derek, or that is we are the decendents of the ancestors that of the humans that went to the world of Daventry during the various withdrawals during history.
That being said he also says that his world dreams and influences our world as well. Thus why Roberta may have picked up the stories someone dreamed into her world, allowing her to dream into their world.
QuoteWe spin their fate and alter their reality
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Actually according to Derek is likely only Roberta Williams that has that ability, at least to the extent of physically altering the world. Though its possible that there may be other great minds like Roberta. Most dreamers only look into his world but cannot affect the world much.
Derek says its also possible that dreamers in his world may influence what goes on in our world as well. Strange unexplained phenomena that goes on in our world may actually be caused by dreamers from his world.
It has something to do with there being a thin barrier between our world and his world. That allows dreamers and subconcious mind to cross through.
QuoteDerek also mentioned Mordack years before KQ5 was even being written, so Jane Jenson wrote the companion in Derek's name and we're forced to come to the conclusion that Jane Jenson is Derek " , didn't it?
Actually Derek only mentioned Mordack during the KQ5, and KQ5 related chapters which were released in 2nd edition not long after KQ5 was released. He is not mentioned in any editions pre-KQ5's release.
According to the companion Jane Jenson was sent messages from Derek Karlavaegen as well. Hence why she got a copy of the Guidebook which she "edited".
XD
I just love purely fictional conspiracy theories.
All I recall is that The Eye is in Manannan's office. XD