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Title: Mistake in King's Quest VI Summary?
Post by: kindofdoon on June 29, 2010, 10:26:24 AM
The Four Winds newsletter says that (1) Alexander voyaged to the Realm of the Dead and thus (2) saved King Caliphim and Queen Allaria (now alive and well).

However, as I understand it, the voyage to the Realm of the Dead in KQVI is not essential to beating the game. You can beat the game without saving Caliphim and Allaria by sneaking into the Castle of the Crown dressed as a servant rather than using magic (that requires items found in the Realm of the Dead) to enter the castle's basement.

So it appears the TSL team made an executive decision that Alexander did indeed voyage to the Realm of the Dead.

Thoughts, anyone?
Title: Re: Mistake in King's Quest VI Summary?
Post by: Enchantermon on June 29, 2010, 10:31:02 AM
It's true that it's not necessary to go there, but if you do then you receive the game's best ending. In any event, making a summary would require that one ending or the other be chosen, and if it were me writing it, I would certainly choose the best ending possible.
Title: Re: Mistake in King's Quest VI Summary?
Post by: tessspoon on June 29, 2010, 10:38:30 AM
Yep, I believe the team has stated before that they are using the long version of the story.
Title: Re: Mistake in King's Quest VI Summary?
Post by: MangoMercury on June 29, 2010, 10:39:19 AM
On top of which, it also means that all of the Lands of the Green Isles are in harmony once again; since the disputes between all of them were covered in KQVI, it would be unnecessary to spend another game (judging by the timeline) covering this.  On top of which, it would mean that the Royal Family of Daventry wouldn't be able to easily get to the Isle of the Crown, as Shamir would have been killed as opposed to being able to use his powers to fix the ferry and bring the family over easily.
Title: Re: Mistake in King's Quest VI Summary?
Post by: KatieHal on June 29, 2010, 11:26:15 AM
TSL does indeed take the 'best possible ending' stance for all previous KQ games--Caliphim and Allaria were saved, the genie is under Alexander's control, Edgar is alive, etc. So, nope, not a mistake, just a choice. :)
Title: Re: Mistake in King's Quest VI Summary?
Post by: I_am_so_nifty on June 29, 2010, 11:31:54 AM
Speaking of which, that kind of makes you wonder if there will be any such choices in The Silver Lining...
Title: Re: Mistake in King's Quest VI Summary?
Post by: liggy002 on June 29, 2010, 11:44:30 AM
Asking questions like that will get you this.....  :suffer: :suffer: :suffer: :suffer: :suffer:

As I have learned in the past.
Title: Re: Mistake in King's Quest VI Summary?
Post by: I_am_so_nifty on June 29, 2010, 12:01:18 PM
Yeah, yeah,  :suffer:'s are inevitable and all. But seriously, it's a cool question to think about.
Title: Re: Mistake in King's Quest VI Summary?
Post by: KatieHal on June 29, 2010, 12:23:36 PM
Isn't it though?

 :suffer: :suffer: :suffer:
Title: Re: Mistake in King's Quest VI Summary?
Post by: Haids1987 on June 29, 2010, 03:23:36 PM
The long ending is the REAL ending. :yes:
Title: Re: Mistake in King's Quest VI Summary?
Post by: The Hero on June 29, 2010, 04:08:41 PM
its also the one used by tsl time line
Title: Re: Mistake in King's Quest VI Summary?
Post by: kindofdoon on June 29, 2010, 04:52:55 PM
The long ending is the REAL ending. :yes:

I agree. The alternative, where Alexander sneaks in, is sort of lame and pales in comparison to the scope and awesomeness of the rest of the game.

Besides, The Realm of the Dead is so cool!
Title: Re: Mistake in King's Quest VI Summary?
Post by: B'rrr on June 29, 2010, 05:02:44 PM
*nods* new ways to die! or ehm, stay dead...
Title: Re: Mistake in King's Quest VI Summary?
Post by: Haids1987 on June 29, 2010, 06:33:04 PM
Besides, The Realm of the Dead is so cool!
The Realm of the Dead is the best part of KQ 6! :yes:
Title: Re: Mistake in King's Quest VI Summary?
Post by: The Hero on June 29, 2010, 06:42:24 PM
oh my what are these bones laying here? *picks them up* *starts hitting some other bones* woah what the heck dancing skeletons! That's the last time i shop at k-mart lol

KITTY EDIT: Edited for spelling/dialogue :cat:
Title: Re: Mistake in King's Quest VI Summary?
Post by: snabbott on June 29, 2010, 07:50:47 PM
Besides, The Realm of the Dead is so cool!
The Realm of the Dead is the best part of KQ 6! :yes:
As I recall, it was the Land of the Dead in KQ6. The Realm of the Dead is from MoE. :scholar:
Title: Re: Mistake in King's Quest VI Summary?
Post by: The Hero on June 29, 2010, 07:56:39 PM
no one likes my land of the dead joke
Title: Re: Mistake in King's Quest VI Summary?
Post by: I_am_so_nifty on June 29, 2010, 08:07:07 PM
As I recall, it was the Land of the Dead in KQ6. The Realm of the Dead is from MoE. :scholar:

No, MoE was the Dimension of Death. KQ6 has the Realm of the Dead.
Title: Re: Mistake in King's Quest VI Summary?
Post by: snabbott on June 29, 2010, 08:59:53 PM
As I recall, it was the Land of the Dead in KQ6. The Realm of the Dead is from MoE. :scholar:

No, MoE was the Dimension of Death. KQ6 has the Realm of the Dead.
Oops!  ;]
Title: Re: Mistake in King's Quest VI Summary?
Post by: Enchantermon on June 29, 2010, 10:10:24 PM
. . . Edgar is alive . . .
Edgar can die?
Title: Re: Mistake in King's Quest VI Summary?
Post by: tessspoon on June 29, 2010, 10:16:34 PM
In the ending of KQ7, if you don't take the right actions. You get a much sadder ending, as I found out the first time I ever played. :(
Title: Re: Mistake in King's Quest VI Summary?
Post by: Enchantermon on June 29, 2010, 10:20:13 PM
Really? Huh. Never knew that.

Oh, wait...you mean if you don't
give him the cat's extra life after turning him back to normal? I never thought to not do that...
Title: Re: Mistake in King's Quest VI Summary?
Post by: tessspoon on June 29, 2010, 10:22:26 PM
Exactly. :yes:
Title: Re: Mistake in King's Quest VI Summary?
Post by: Enchantermon on June 29, 2010, 10:26:45 PM
Ah. I'll have to try that when I get to KQ7 then, thanks.
Title: Re: Mistake in King's Quest VI Summary?
Post by: oberonqa on June 30, 2010, 01:11:58 AM
While TSL does use the long storyline version of KQ6.... keep your eyes and ears open while playing through TSL... the devs are sneaky and tricksy... and the observant adventurer might just find a subtle nod and reference to the short storyline....

 :suffer: :suffer: :suffer: :suffer: :suffer: :suffer: :suffer: :suffer:
Title: Re: Mistake in King's Quest VI Summary?
Post by: kindofdoon on June 30, 2010, 01:13:38 AM
The TSL team never ceases to amaze (and induce suffering). I will definitely be on the lookout for said homage.
Title: Re: Mistake in King's Quest VI Summary?
Post by: koko_99_2001 on June 30, 2010, 05:32:52 AM
While TSL does use the long storyline version of KQ6.... keep your eyes and ears open while playing through TSL... the devs are sneaky and tricksy... and the observant adventurer might just find a subtle nod and reference to the short storyline....

 :suffer: :suffer: :suffer: :suffer: :suffer: :suffer: :suffer: :suffer:

That's true! I had forgotten about that! I know of at least one location where you may hear a nod :P
Title: Re: Mistake in King's Quest VI Summary?
Post by: KatieHal on June 30, 2010, 05:35:39 AM
Yeah, you can complete KQ7 without saving his life, actually.
Title: Re: Mistake in King's Quest VI Summary?
Post by: Enchantermon on June 30, 2010, 06:00:58 AM
Yeah, I didn't realize this until you and tessspoon mentioned it. I'll have to do this when I play through it again.
Title: Re: Mistake in King's Quest VI Summary?
Post by: KatieHal on June 30, 2010, 07:32:23 AM
There's not a huge difference--no nice final scene on the balcony, obviously--but just don't use the extra life on him in the end there. It does cast a slightly different tone on the denouement. (sp?)
Title: Re: Mistake in King's Quest VI Summary?
Post by: Enchantermon on June 30, 2010, 11:12:36 AM
. . . denouement. (sp?)
Well done. :)
Yeah...that would suck, especially after saving him in KQ4. I'm glad I didn't find that ending when I was younger and playing it for the first time; it would have depressed me.
Title: Re: Mistake in King's Quest VI Summary?
Post by: crayauchtin on June 30, 2010, 01:04:02 PM
Speaking of bad endings, anyone ever forget to get the fruit in KQ4?

Yeah. Oops. :P
Title: Re: Mistake in King's Quest VI Summary?
Post by: oberonqa on June 30, 2010, 01:05:43 PM
I never forgot the fruit.... but one time I did intentionally NOT get the fruit... just to see what kind of effect it would have on the ending.  Yea needless to say.... it wasn't a very good ending. 
Title: Re: Mistake in King's Quest VI Summary?
Post by: crayauchtin on June 30, 2010, 01:07:20 PM
Yeah.
Nobody even gets the cap!

I woulda taken it. :P
Title: Re: Mistake in King's Quest VI Summary?
Post by: KatieHal on June 30, 2010, 01:18:03 PM
Oo, I never saw that! What happens?

I know! No one took the cap. :P

Hehe, so needless to say, we also went with the 'you save Graham's life' ending of KQ4 ;)
Title: Re: Mistake in King's Quest VI Summary?
Post by: Enchantermon on June 30, 2010, 01:22:26 PM
Oo, I never saw that! What happens?
Genesta reminds you and then sends you home to be with your family as Graham dies.
I think after Genesta mentions it there's a text box that pops up saying something like "You knew you were forgetting something!"

Speaking of the end of KQ4, I always wondered what the code that pops up after the final cutscene was all about. Does anyone know?
Title: Re: Mistake in King's Quest VI Summary?
Post by: I_am_so_nifty on June 30, 2010, 01:29:01 PM
I don't know anything about this code, but on the subject of the fruit, you can also eat it. Then you feel even guiltier.
Title: Re: Mistake in King's Quest VI Summary?
Post by: Enchantermon on June 30, 2010, 01:29:40 PM
Oh yeah, I forgot you can do that, too.
Title: Re: Mistake in King's Quest VI Summary?
Post by: Baggins on June 30, 2010, 03:17:29 PM
Point of note the short path in King's Quest 6 was not the best nor the true ending. To get the full points and the true ending you had to take the long path, through the Realm of the Dead. This is discussed in the official King's Quest hintbook by Lorelei Shannon, The King's Quest Companion, as well as the synopses in the KQ7 strategy guide by Lorelei Shannon and the manual for MOE as well, IIRC.

The TSL team hasn't made an "executive" decision on this issue, LOL, its been around for years.
Title: Re: Mistake in King's Quest VI Summary?
Post by: MangoMercury on July 01, 2010, 11:56:44 AM
So how come when you make Genesta better, she can't just magic the fruit to you before taking you back home?

What a meanie.
Title: Re: Mistake in King's Quest VI Summary?
Post by: Baggins on July 03, 2010, 07:54:43 AM
Back to the original topic, actually the long path is called the "main-path" in the ending credits, which spells out that it is the main story, if you hadn't figured it out already ;).