I was wondering if we'll see Daventry and/or Etheria at all in TSL?
There used to be a screenie of Graham walking through Etheria, and it was beautiful! So yes, I'm pretty sure Etheria will show up. And there was also a sound clip of Alexander talking to Connor's wife about what was happening in Daventry, and it sounded like he was actually IN Daventry at the time. But I remember Cesar saying that one didn't make the final cut. So Etheria? Pretty sure. Daventry? Hmmm. I suppose we'll just get a :suffer: if we ask one of the big guys. :P
And for Etheria, I think the three fates are shown for a moment in the new trailer, so it seems very likely that it'll be showing up.
If it was Alexander talking to Sarah, then it was probably from one of those huge chunks that got cut out... you know, like the whole parts where Alexander and Rosella would be playable.
But I'm not mad about it, or anything. They say the story is much tighter now, with less downtime. So that's good.
Quote from: I_am_so_nifty on June 30, 2010, 08:21:14 AM
And for Etheria, I think the three fates are shown for a moment in the new trailer, so it seems very likely that it'll be showing up.
If it was Alexander talking to Sarah, then it was probably from one of those huge chunks that got cut out... you know, like the whole parts where Alexander and Rosella would be playable.
But I'm not mad about it, or anything. They say the story is much tighter now, with less downtime. So that's good.
so, we only play king graham now?
Yep.
I'm curious if they are going to take the route of the official lore that Eldritch/Etheria is on another plane of the multiverse. Or if they are going to go with their early concept idea of Eldritch being another continent/land on the world of Daventry.
Do we get to go to the Volcanix Underground too?
I think that if we go anywhere in Eldritch, it'll probably just be Etheria.
I always get them mixed up. Is Eldritch everything in KQ7 and Etheria the castles in the sky? ???
Eldritch is the parrallel universe. It includes the Desert, Falderal, Ooga Booga, Vulcanic Underground, Etheria, etc. Etheria is the land in the sky.
Cool, maybe now I'll actually keep it straight in my head for once. :P
I think it was first edition manual for the game that even mentioned the "universe of Eldritch" and kingdom of Etheria... But I think that section of the manual was cut in the later editions/bargain released editions.
It would have been pretty cool to have a few original voice overs like Maureen Mcverry and Carol Bach Y Rita...just a thought.
Is it supposed to be another universe? I always just thought of it as another faraway land somewhere in the same world as Daventry.
Eldritch is in another part of the multiverse, according to the Companion. Though, apparently, all you need to travel between universes is a pond and some weird seahorse thing...
I must find the pond that leads to Daventry!
Quote from: Baggins on June 30, 2010, 05:37:38 PMI think it was first edition manual for the game that even mentioned the "universe of Eldritch" and kingdom of Etheria... But I think that section of the manual was cut in the later editions/bargain released editions.
The game itself references it vaguely. Someone (Malicia, maybe?) mentions that the eruption of the volcano would cover the entire realm of Eldritch in molten lava.
Ahh--I guess that comes down to how you interpret 'realm' then. I took it to mean, "This whole kingdom is called Eldritch (thus, the word 'realm' can be used as well), and the various lands within it include the Underground, Ooga Booga, Etheria, etc."
Quote from: KatieHal on June 30, 2010, 09:37:22 PMAhh--I guess that comes down to how you interpret 'realm' then. I took it to mean, "This whole kingdom is called Eldritch (thus, the word 'realm' can be used as well), and the various lands within it include the Underground, Ooga Booga, Etheria, etc."
Yes, that's how I understood it as well.
It's like the area I live in. It's called Hampton Roads, but it includes seven different cities: Portsmouth, Chesapeake, Virginia Beach, Suffolk, Norfolk, Newport News and Hampton. Put into King's Quest terms, you could call it the Realm of Hampton Roads.
Well that's where it kind of gets tricky the Desert is out of the Jurisdiction of Etheria. Whereas all the other lands hold feality to Etheria in some ways.
But all of those lands are part of Eldritch.
There may even be two definitions of Eldritch going on, the kingdom/realm and the universe but this is unclear (although its hinted at even in the Companion). Just in the same way that Realm of Daventry is another name for Kingdom of Daventry, but not the entire world of Daventry.
I also have a hard time believing that when they were worried about the Volcano that it would have destroyed every part of the world of Eldritch. It would have at least caused trouble for the Land of the Clouds, Etheria, which is directly above it, plus all the areas extending to the ancient ruins in the northern part of the Desert (the Kangeroo Rat was worried), and most of the lands in Etheria's jurisdiction. Get far enough south and I doubt it would have caused much problem at all. It might not have even bothered the Vulcanix Underground much. Some of the people in Ooga Booga weren't worried to much (they are already dead).
I also don't think Malicia was suicidal, she just wanted to destroy the kingdom, so she could then take over, and rebuild it as her own.
On a related note King Graham's cut comment in the game files also touches on the fact that Etheria was in an alternate universe. From his perspective they had only been missing about 15 minutes of Daventry time, whereas they were in Etheria for at least a day or two. Time runs differently between both worlds (similar to the difference between Narnia and Earth).
QuoteI must find the pond that leads to Daventry!
Be warned that apparently the paths to Daventry are one way ;). Once you go there, there is no way back. There are also different ways to "withdrawal" to the world. Most require magic of some sort. You could partially visit it through dreams ;).
For anyone wanting more information of the realm of Daventry and the maps chronicling changes due to magical flux, check out; http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/Daventry
There was never a map for the world of Eldritch unfortunately (unless there is one in the official KQ7 Authorized guide).
Also depending on which backstory you follow Daventry is either Earth in the distant past or parallel to the "Other World" (Earth). The games pretty much strictly followed the whole earth in the distant past storyline, the companion followed the alternate universe storyline. of course both could be true if time travel is involved :p...
http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/On_the_Origin_of_Daventry
http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/Multiverse
http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/Earth
http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/Other_World
http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/Jupiter
http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/Withdrawal
Quote from: Baggins on July 01, 2010, 03:50:06 AMWell that's where it kind of gets tricky the Desert is out of the Jurisdiction of Etheria.
It is? Is that from the Companion? I don't remember hearing about that in the game.
Quote from: Baggins on July 01, 2010, 03:50:06 AMI also have a hard time believing that when they were worried about the Volcano that it would have destroyed every part of the world of Eldritch. It would have at least caused trouble for the Land of the Clouds, Etheria, which is directly above it, plus all the areas extending to the ancient ruins in the northern part of the Desert (the Kangeroo Rat was worried), and most of the lands in Etheria's jurisdiction. Get far enough south and I doubt it would have caused much problem at all. It might not have even bothered the Vulcanix Underground much. Some of the people in Ooga Booga weren't worried to much (they are already dead).
Well, obviously the Vulcanix Underground would be fine; its underground, whereas the lava flow would be above ground. And as you said, the residents of Ooga Booga were all dead anyway, so what do they care? But to me it seems as if what you see in KQ7 is pretty much all of Eldrich, with the exception of a few places in Etheria that you don't go (like Oberon and Titania's castle).
But then again, I haven't read the Companion, so it's possible that I'm missing information that would change my perspective.
EDIT: Wow, major brain lapse.
Quote"It is? Is that from the Companion? I don't remember hearing about that in the game.
The main issue is that the Desert is remote and closed off from the rest of Etheria/northern Eldritch. It once was open to main kingdom, but Malicia closed it off (Colin or Roo Rat mentions this I think). The civilization that once lived there died out untold centuries before. There are like two other "people" living there (Roo Rat and Jackalope), but its mostly abandoned.
The ghost Colin Farwalker had traveled to the desert from afar too, he gives the impression that his journey may have been somewhere other than the Realm of Eldritch proper, but still part of that world. He died because Malicia shut the path into lands beyond the mountains.
You also can't travel very far in the desert without dieing. The lands stretch pretty far south.
That being said the Rainbow paths of Etheria do reach the desert, the former civilization portion.
QuoteWell, obviously the Vulcanix Underground would be fine; its underground, whereas the lava flow would be above ground. And as you said, the residents of Ooga Booga were all dead anyway, so what do they care? But to me it seems as if what you see in KQ7 is pretty much all of Eldrich, with the exception of a few places in Etheria that you don't go (like Oberon and Titania's castle).
But then again, I haven't read the Companion, so it's possible that I'm missing information that would change my perspective.
Well, you can't actually travel very far west, or east, or north. The woods get too thick to the east (and north towards Falderal), and there are boundaries to the west of Ooga Booga. but you can tell they the world does stretch on further past those regions proper. Nonsense-Land apparently stretches a bit further north, but you are stuck within the walls of the main city, Falderal proper.
However there is enough to see in the distance to see that desert stretches endlessly (at least as far as player is concerned) as does the great boundary mountain between the desert and the Bountiful Woods. Their are regions beyond main Ooga Booga proper, and behind the city of Falderal, the Bountiful Woods and the Were-Woods, it doesn't just come to an "End of the World" where you'd drop off the edge (at least from what we can see). More less leads to the Unknown, :). I don't think if you head directly north you would end up back at the desert in just a few miles. You certainly can't see such a thing in the distance.
A few areas are unclear, we have no idea how large the swamp is for example. But Ooga Booga is almost directly north. The south probably brushes up against the barrier mountains at some point. We are only shown one screen of the Were-Woods.
Even Daventry is a big world, there are places in the "unknown" regions where other lands and possibly continents are located. We may never know the full extent of the world ;). Some of the world appears flat with edges to fall off of, but other places hint that much of the world follows the globe world concept as well. There are apparently places that touch multiple realities accross the multiverse. Like the city of Tanalore.
Quote from: Baggins on July 01, 2010, 06:37:28 AMThat being said the Rainbow paths of Etheria do reach the desert, the former civilization portion.
Yeah, that's why I figured that it was still part of Eldritch and governed by Etheria (not that there's much to govern by the time you get there).
Now that I've thought about this a little more, I remember that, as you said, Malicia was aiming to take over Etheria. I knew she wasn't suicidal though; I figured she would hide out in the Vulcanix Underground until the lava flow subsided.
Sorry about reposting half of what you wrote; I don't know how I forgot to erase all of that before hitting reply. :P
Quote from: I_am_so_nifty on June 30, 2010, 08:47:37 PM
I must find the pond that leads to Daventry!
Is that the reason you're going to use when people see you jumping into a pond, getting back out and then finding another one to jump into?
If its anything like the ponds between worlds in the Narnia books you'll need a special ring to be able to travel between worlds, ;).
Quote from: MangoMercury on July 02, 2010, 11:50:01 AM
Quote from: I_am_so_nifty on June 30, 2010, 08:47:37 PM
I must find the pond that leads to Daventry!
Is that the reason you're going to use when people see you jumping into a pond, getting back out and then finding another one to jump into?
Nah, I shouldn't need to jump into too many ponds. There should be a Daventry related image of sort in the pond, right? Like Rosella saw a castle in the clouds in the pond...
Just keep your eye out for those dragonettes. They mark the really good interworld portals. :)
Just be careful you aren't turned into a troll.
Quote from: Baggins on July 02, 2010, 10:59:38 PM
Just be careful you aren't turned into a troll.
Or dropped into a barren desert with an annoying... jackalope, was it?
I'd much rather land in the Bountiful Woods or Etheria.
QuoteI'd much rather land in the Bountiful Woods or Etheria.
Just hope you aren't accidently dropped into Were-Woods, or a giant spider web ;), or into empty air in Etheria (it would be a long fall).
You also don't have the benefit of cartoon abilities (letting you be flattened, crushed, etc, without being injured much). Ya, there were a few cases where the characters in KQ7 would be affected as if a cartoon (without dieing). Note for example how Valanice fell into the desert. That would kill most people.
Although perhaps that's just one of the physical properties of etheria, being turned into a cartoon, and being able to do things that would cause injuries to most people. I think that's one of the reasons Derek had a hard time believing the story (of KQ7), because things didn't match up with how he understands physical reality.
Quote from: Baggins on July 03, 2010, 04:44:45 PM
Although perhaps that's just one of the physical properties of etheria, being turned into a cartoon, and being able to do things that would cause injuries to most people. I think that's one of the reasons Derek had a hard time believing the story (of KQ7), because things didn't match up with how he understands physical reality.
Huh, I never thought of it that way. It would explain quite a bit.
Ooh, and shattering the Mask makes everybody use Old English!
Technically Graham was speaking Old English before the shattering of the mask :p...
Well yeah, technically. But not quite so much, from what I remember.
"'Tis beyond my reach!"
Actually Graham's few comments are before the mask is shattered. He may have one sentence after it is shattered, just before he's turned to stone, and then he doesn't say much at all ;).
Actually there are hardly any human characters that continue to talk while the mask is shattered. :suffer: :suffer: :suffer:
Connor talks the same before and after the shattered mask. He just tends to say "tis beyond my reach" a bit more ;).
Okay, well maybe the Mask... sensed the danger of Lucreto and... made everybody use Old English?
Nah, I guess that's just one of those weird things they did to MoE that we just have to live with.