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Title: Josh Mandel?
Post by: The Hero on July 04, 2010, 07:10:01 PM

Why did you guys choose a different voice for graham in TSL? Josh Mandel is easly contactable as seen in kq1vga 2vga and 3vga

Title: Re: Josh Mandel?
Post by: waltzdancing on July 04, 2010, 07:14:13 PM

I remember the team actually addressing this once but I can't remember the exact meaning. I think they just wanted to do this their own way. The voices in TSL is great, everything about it is pure magic, I promise.

Title: Re: Josh Mandel?
Post by: The Hero on July 04, 2010, 07:18:48 PM

I know. i love the voice in tsl. i'm just putting something out. btw who voices him in tsl anyway?

Title: Re: Josh Mandel?
Post by: Haids1987 on July 04, 2010, 07:40:11 PM

The guy they chose for Graham is incredible, though.  He sounds just like Graham! :yes:

Title: Re: Josh Mandel?
Post by: The Hero on July 04, 2010, 07:42:56 PM

who did they choose :P

Title: Re: Josh Mandel?
Post by: oberonqa on July 04, 2010, 09:36:47 PM

They chose.......

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Title: Re: Josh Mandel?
Post by: Haids1987 on July 04, 2010, 11:41:22 PM

That's not really a :suffer:-worthy comment, I fear.  I remember hearing the name a few times, and there used to be a video of his audition (doesn't he also voice Shadrack? :)) on YouTube.  Just searched for it, but couldn't find it. :(  Anyway, he sounds just like Graham!  I absolutely love the actor they chose!

EDIT: In case you haven't seen it yet, here's the original trailer for TSL, The Hero.  It's got some dialogue of Graham's in it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQVVwK0uM-8

Title: Re: Josh Mandel?
Post by: GwydionAE on July 05, 2010, 01:35:05 AM

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6580747239925858531# - Here's the video of Jason Victor - the voice of Graham - auditioning.

I too remembered this being talked about before.  I thought there was also talk about how Josh Mandel's voice didn't quite fit as well for their vision of Graham, though I could be wrong about that.  And while I certainly have nothing against Josh, Jason seems to do a great job from the dialogue we've heard!

Title: Re: Josh Mandel?
Post by: oberonqa on July 05, 2010, 01:49:02 AM

It was a joke Haids.... hence the 4 rows of it inside of a spoiler tag.   8)

Title: Re: Josh Mandel?
Post by: Baggins on July 05, 2010, 08:30:57 AM

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He sounds just like Graham!

However, he doesn't sound like Josh Mandel. :suffer: :suffer: :suffer: Maybe a bit closer to the Graham in KQ7 sound file, which most people haven't heard. Certainly nothing like Daran Norris in MOE.

Title: Re: Josh Mandel?
Post by: B'rrr on July 05, 2010, 08:34:21 AM

How can you sound like a game character when a game character doesn't have a voice of his own but only the voice of his/her voice actor?  :-\

Title: Re: Josh Mandel?
Post by: KatieHal on July 05, 2010, 08:36:18 AM

While Josh did some great work as Graham in the original games and for some of the fan remakes, I have to say I love Jason Victor as our Graham. :) He did an amazing job! I'm biased, of course, but I personally think our Graham is the best Graham.  ;D

Also, no, he did not do the voice work for Shadrack. You've yet to hear any of that character's lines, I believe, and his voice actor is also fantastic. Once we heard him read, there was no contest and no question--he was the guy we were looking for!

Title: Re: Josh Mandel?
Post by: snabbott on July 05, 2010, 09:14:12 AM

Quote from: B'rrr on July 05, 2010, 08:34:21 AM

How can you sound like a game character when a game character doesn't have a voice of his own but only the voice of his/her voice actor?  :-\

I can't explain it, but that's how I feel, too. I don't think it's so much the voice as the way he delivers the lines. Of course, it could just be that I've played TSL so much...

Whatever it is, Jason does an amazing Graham. :D Along with Amy (the narrator and a few of the characters) and whoever voiced the Arch Druid, his is one of my favorite voices in the game.

Title: Re: Josh Mandel?
Post by: oberonqa on July 05, 2010, 09:35:02 AM

Yea I really fell in love with Jason and Amy's voice acting.  I actually can't imagine anyone else doing the voice of Graham now... and Amy is an absolute treasure as the narrarator.  While it might have been nice to have had Josh do the voice of Graham... I am very very happy that Jason got the part.

And I LOVE the voice for Shadrack.  I don't know where they found him... but he nails the evil twisted wizard voice perfectly.  Maybe a little too perfectly....  **lol**

Title: Re: Josh Mandel?
Post by: The Hero on July 05, 2010, 10:02:10 AM

no one is better then the original.  It's like saying chris brown does a better thiller then mj

Title: Re: Josh Mandel?
Post by: oberonqa on July 05, 2010, 10:09:10 AM

Oh I don't know Hero.... wait until you hear Jason....  you will be surprised.  :)

Title: Re: Josh Mandel?
Post by: The Hero on July 05, 2010, 10:11:43 AM

not really if hes the same one from 2006 rc and auditions i may not post but i know my TSL

Title: Re: Josh Mandel?
Post by: KatieHal on July 05, 2010, 10:17:29 AM

He is the same one that you heard in the demo and old teasers. And everyone's entitled to their own opinion. :)

Title: Re: Josh Mandel?
Post by: The Hero on July 05, 2010, 10:22:26 AM

hes good but no one beats the josh as in a way i grew up with him

Title: Re: Josh Mandel?
Post by: Baggins on July 05, 2010, 10:34:32 AM

Nostalgia is a powerful influence.

Title: Re: Josh Mandel?
Post by: The Hero on July 05, 2010, 10:40:03 AM

they are both great
and amy was born to narrate.



KITTY EDIT: fixed the spelling of "narrate" for you, Hero :) :cat:

Title: Re: Josh Mandel?
Post by: Haids1987 on July 05, 2010, 11:35:43 AM

In my opinion, Jason is as good--if not better than--Josh.  I grew up with the games too, but somehow I think that Jason's voice captures King Graham better than Josh's did.  *Shrugs* I dunno, that's just me.

And Amy doing the narrating is sooooo cool!  When I played the demo I was pleasantly surprised that there was a woman as the narrator.  TSL is breaking the mold in so many ways, and to me, that's just another amazing example of how they're doing it. :)

Title: Re: Josh Mandel?
Post by: Baggins on July 05, 2010, 11:45:28 AM

My favorite Narrator is probably the one in KQ6. I think yours is better than the one in KQ5 though (Mr. Scratchy Throat).

Title: Re: Josh Mandel?
Post by: Haids1987 on July 05, 2010, 11:49:17 AM

Yeah, when I play KQV I feel like I need a glass of water nearby.

Title: Re: Josh Mandel?
Post by: koko_99_2001 on July 05, 2010, 11:51:20 AM

Let me tell you, on a couple of the easter eggs, Amy will have you ROLLING!

Title: Re: Josh Mandel?
Post by: Rosella on July 05, 2010, 12:10:51 PM

Josh Mandel seemed to really suit KQ5 well, in a game full of casting Roberta Williams as a rat, and, well, including Cedric at all, it was a bit less serious. He was probably one of the best voice actors in the game, but that's not saying much. Honestly, I feel like the voice for Graham in TSL has a much more dramatic and majestic voice. It carries power and emotion a lot better, which is definitely more suited for TSL. As much as I love the fan remakes, they carry the same amount of cheese as their predecessors. :P

I really don't mean disrespect to either the original games or TSL, but they have different tones, different purposes, and I think they've both figured out how to make that work with their voice acting. :)

The fact is, when I heard Graham speak in TSL, I knew it was him. It wasn't really what he was saying or anything, it just...it felt like Graham to me, and that's a powerful reaction to elicit. XD

Title: Re: Josh Mandel?
Post by: The Hero on July 05, 2010, 12:24:06 PM

 i pitty the poor guy in kq 5
 as for amy easter eggs
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Title: Re: Josh Mandel?
Post by: Tolin on July 06, 2010, 10:43:58 AM

Ahh... Josh -was- a great Graham.  That said, Jason's voice fits my personal perception of how I've always imagined Graham's voice to sound before VA was introduced into the series.

I'm looking forward to all of this  :D

Title: Re: Josh Mandel?
Post by: Baggins on July 08, 2010, 01:09:01 PM

Come to think of it, did Graham have many actual lines in the early KQ games? I seem to recall the narrator more or less described what he would be saying, if he had something to say. But he was more or less treated as the silent hero, heh heh.

I think it was KQ1 SCI and KQ5 that really gave him a voice, so to speak.

(Posted on: July 06, 2010, 12:47:36 PM)

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So I was able to get into contact with Mark Seibert again, and I asked him why they didn't use Josh Mandel, in MOE. Apparently they had to use all SAG members for the cast. Apparently the reason why they gave him an old english accent was to keep him consistent with the style they had chosen for Connor.

Title: Re: Josh Mandel?
Post by: TheReturnofDMD on July 08, 2010, 06:31:25 PM

Quote from: Baggins on July 08, 2010, 01:09:01 PM

Come to think of it, did Graham have many actual lines in the early KQ games? I seem to recall the narrator more or less described what he would be saying, if he had something to say. But he was more or less treated as the silent hero, heh heh.

I think it was KQ1 SCI and KQ5 that really gave him a voice, so to speak.

(Posted on: July 06, 2010, 12:47:36 PM)

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So I was able to get into contact with Mark Seibert again, and I asked him why they didn't use Josh Mandel, in MOE. Apparently they had to use all SAG members for the cast. Apparently the reason why they gave him an old english accent was to keep him consistent with the style they had chosen for Connor.

You should ask why they chose to give all of the characters in MoE British accents and Olde English language whereas in all previous games the language of the characters had been in modern English, and in KQ5, 6 and 7 all of the Royal Family had American accents.

Title: Re: Josh Mandel?
Post by: Baggins on July 09, 2010, 12:26:07 AM

That is a good question, I'll try to bring it up to him. All I know about who was involved with the voice directors and voice casting choices, is that it was Roberta Williams, followed by Mark Seibert in the credits.

Roberta, was the writer for the game's story, and director. Mark, was the producer/director/co-designer of the game. Since the faux english accents are written into the game's text, it may actually be Roberta's fault since she was the writer. So it may be a question only Roberta could answer, but I'll ask Mark if he knows anything.

Title: Re: Josh Mandel?
Post by: Kimmie on July 09, 2010, 07:06:21 AM

Because an English Royal Family is more realistic?  :suffer: :suffer:

Title: Re: Josh Mandel?
Post by: B'rrr on July 09, 2010, 07:20:30 AM

Realistic? Dragons, giants, pegasi, etc. Not really the things you would describe as realistic. As soon as you create your own kingdom in your own world the accent you pick for the people doesn't have to be in any relation to whatever royalty speaks in the real world.

Title: Re: Josh Mandel?
Post by: Kimmie on July 09, 2010, 07:48:13 AM

I was only joking rob, hence the  :suffer:

and when I said "realistic" I meant in terms of Daventry being a place in England (perhaps the use of the actual place name was unintentional as all other place names are fictional but still it's nice to think that it has links to a real place  ;) lets go visit davntry in a mass TSL group  :suffer:)

But also the fact that Knights and Kings are generally a European thing rather than American...just as possible answers for why they chose to use English Accents in MoE :)

Title: Re: Josh Mandel?
Post by: Baggins on July 09, 2010, 08:26:17 AM

My guess Roberta chose to write the story in that style because she thought, it would appeal to the swords and sorcerery's crowd (as she once partially described MOE). She wanted the game to appeal to more than the niche KQ crowd. But who knows.... Maybe she just liked to hear "Tis Beyond my Reach"... :suffer:

Title: Re: Josh Mandel?
Post by: Cez on July 10, 2010, 07:26:45 PM

I have to say that despite having differences with Josh Mandel, we've finally overcame those and ever since he's been one of the most amazing supporters we've had.

I'm glad. I'm extremely glad. I can only say good things about him ! He's truly awesome!

Title: Re: Josh Mandel?
Post by: Rosella on July 10, 2010, 07:39:52 PM

Aha, so that thing on my news feed about Cesar Bittar becoming friends with Josh Mandel was in fact true! :P

Title: Re: Josh Mandel?
Post by: TheReturnofDMD on July 12, 2010, 04:04:37 PM

I think Josh Mandel as Graham (in KQ5 anyway) sounded a bit like Richard Nixon. That's a good thing--Both guys have very authoritative voices.