Which, say in a list which is your favorite KQ game, and why?
for me:
1) KQ5
2) KQ6
3) KQIV
4) KQI SCI
5) KQVII
6) KQIII
7) KQII
8) MoE
Hmm, not easy to decide.
1. KQ3 Remake
2. KQ7
3. KQ6
3. KQ5
4. KQ2 Remake
5. KQ4
6. KQ3
7. KQ1 Remake
8. KQ1
9. KQ2
10.MoE
KQ3 Remake because I love the story and the extra bits they added, and the one I've played the most besides KQ7. KQ7 is next because it was the only one I played until college and there's a lot of nostalgia with it.
KQVI all the way, no question.
6 is my favorite too.
Though to be honest, it's hard to really judge objectively, because KQVI does hold A LOT of nostalgia for me, so I see it more favorably.
In this order:
1. Heir Today, Gone Tomorrow. It's just so good, with such an amazing storyline, a gripping plot, and awesome characters. Plus, my whole family got involved with it the first time we played, so it's special that way too.
2. The Princeless Bride. I just really like the differences in gameplay and animation, plus it's fun to see the personalities of Valanice and Rosella. And Etheria is what I picture Heaven to be like! Rainbows and fairy things, in a huge garden? Mmmm. My dream!
3. Absence Makes the Heart Go Yonder. My sister and I played this one by ourselves when we were pretty young, and it's also a good storyline with awesome characters--though I exclude Cedric from that group! It was the first game since II that you get to play as Graham, too, so that makes it more nostalgic.
4. The Perils of Rosella. How awesome is it that you get to play as a chick?! Plus, a haunted house, a witch's cave, and a fairy castle? Hel-LO! ;)
5. Quest for the Crown. Of course, one of the greatest games ever made. Enough said.
6. Romancing the Throne. I like this game, but it's not complelling enough for me. I mean, it's awesome 'cause it's a King's Quest game, but I didn't enjoy this one as much as the others.
7. To Heir is Human. I do like this game, but it's my least favorite in the series. It's just so HARD. I have the Companion, but still, I don't really like to play this one too often. It's too much work for me. :)
KQ VI: It's just the best. Hands down. Incredible voice acting too!
KQ III: I am a big, big fan of this one! Yeah, I get the critiques of the game, but I still love it. It has different locations, it went in a different direction with a King's Quest story when they didn't even need to try to take a risk, and it's just an all around good game. I can still quote the incantations from memory! I have ever since I was seven!
KQ IV: While it might technically be a better game than KQ III, I didn't get to play it as a younger child because my family's computer was...well...we basically could run KQ II, III, Black Cauldron, and Transylvania. Not the most up to date machine in the world. Still, when I did get to play this game, I was blown away. It's so well crafted and the music, both for the time and frankly even today, is incredible. And it straddles the line perfectly between whimsical fairy tale and dark fairy tale.
KQ II: There is a lot of nostalgia for this one. It's the game I helped my parents play. I was in the first grade, they'd sit down and play, and I'd shout out suggestions as they fell down chasms and stepped in poison lakes. And for the record, most of the time my suggestions were right! Yeah, I'm just that awesome!
KQ VII: It's a good enough game, but I didn't like the cartoony graphics or the simplified interface. I mean, seriously? The interface is going to tell me what I can interact with and what items work where? Where's the fun in that?
KQ V: I like it, but it's just not as good as the others. I mean, cheese in the generator? That made sense to someone? And an emerald/honey trap? Really? And then I got the CD-ROM version and heard the voice acting. That kind of sunk the game for me. Over all, I still like it, though.
MOE: It's a deeply flawed game and not even in the same vein of what King's Quest is. That said...and I'm almost ashamed to admit it...I still kind of liked it in that "it's diverting and entertaining enough" kind of way.
KQ I: Yes, yes I know it's what started it all. Just never been a huge fan. Probably because our family could never find it in stores when I was young, so it missed the nostalgia train. I only got to play the original after I was older and my family got the King's Quest I-VI collection with an updated computer. KQ I just didn't hold up to the other King's Quests I could play.
7.
Hmm...You know, I just had this conversation with my boyfriend a couple weeks ago and I can't remember what I told him. XD
1) KQV - Nostalgia all the way. I remember playing it with my dad and listening to the voice acting and...loving Cedric. XD I just have a lot of fun replaying it.
2) KQVII - Similarly, nostalgia. It was the first game I played by myself (ever) and it was fantastic. I loved Falderal particularly. This game makes me happy. XD
3) KQIII - I've NO idea why I adore this game, but I find the puzzles really appealing or...something. I just love this game. XD
4) KQVI - There's no real reason for this to be this low but...I'm not sure. It just never hooked me or meant as much to me as the others. It's a great game (and I love the items on the walls of the pawn shop) but it's just not as meaningful to me as the others.
5) KQII - Again, no idea why this one means so much to me, but I found it really fun. I enjoyed the puzzles and found the easter eggs fun. To be fair, this game probably got a lot of points because I was able to call the topless mermaid lots of un-family-friendly things. I didn't even do it on purpose! It's just a habit I have when girls are topless in front of my boyfriend! XD
6) KQIV - Ah, I love Rosella. This game just got tedious after a while, but I still love her.
7) KQI - ...Eh. Yeah. Too many times drowning due to not typing "swim" quickly enough.
I only played a bit of MoE, but I enjoyed it. Not sure where it'd fall. :P
I consider the VGA remakes to be better than the originals, so for the sake of saving space, I'm going to just replace KQ 1, 2, and 3 with their VGA remakes and the experience that I had with them. Here's my list:
1. Heir Today, Gone Tomorrow: Like everybody else, I just found this game to be the high point of the series. It might also be because I played this game first before I went back to play the older ones. This game also had the best story progression in the series.
2. Quest for the Crown (VGA remake): This is just a classic. Nothing else needs to be said.
3. Mask of Eternity: I know this might throw people off, but I bought the game under false pretenses, not knowing what to expect, and I have to say I was pleased with the game. The voice acting was bad, but the game itself was fun. I liked the idea of going out through Daventry picking up the pieces of the Mask to restore Light, Truth, and Order. It felt like a dark, 3D action-adventure version of Quest for the Crown (disregarding the numerous amounts of glitches).
4. To Heir is Human (VGA remake): The Manannan encounters were difficult to gauge. Sometimes, he would just pop in the room, and I didn't know if he was leaving the house or not. But other than that, I liked the progression of the adventure. Albeit, I knew Gwydion was Alexander before I played the game, but I appreciated the fact that Roberta Williams was trying to get us to play the game through the perspective of a commoner, or slave. We didn't get that feeling again, until Mask of Eternity.
5. The Princeless Bride: I liked getting to travel to a world that wasn't even in the same realm as Daventry. I didn't like the "Disney-ish" tone that was trying to be brought to the table. It was weird, but I understand the demographic that was intended, and I didn't fit into that audience. Every KQ game had a reference to some fairytale or myth in every game, and KQVII wasn't an exception. I liked the Boogeyman, The Fates, and even the Chicken Little references.
6. Romancing the Stones (Thrones): This remake was great, and I liked the new story elements that were implemented. The Growth Gem's trial was the best one. I liked that the team brought in the story of KQ3 and Mask of Eternity. This game was awesome for it being a fanmade remake, but I found the game to be confusing at times. Usually, in adventure games, I find myself using intuition to guide me through the game, and in this remake, I found myself questioning why things were the way they were. For instance, there was no way that I would have known that the Wolfbane was in Possum's house unless I looked at a walkthrough. I also wouldn't have known that the gem on Graham's sword could be removed, unless I used the picket from the fence on the sword for every chapter, until it came off. It was a fun game, but it lacked the essence of the bigger titles out there.
7. The Perils of Rosella: It was a good game, but nothing really blew me away about it. I played this after The Princeless Bride, so it was cool to see where Edgar's character came from, but nothing special overall for me. I will withhold proper judgment until after the KQ4 VGA remake comes out, because I'm really not a big fan of the 'textual input' system.
8. Absence Makes the Heart Go Yonder: I have to say that this game was my least favorite, and it wasn't because of Cedric. It was because of the HEAP glitch that prevented me from fighting Mordack and from finishing the game. It was tough to bear, going through the entire game and not being allowed to finish it. Apparently, there was a way to fix it and get past the HEAP interruption, but at the time that I played the game, I was young and didn't know the first thing about computers. What I played of the game was fun, but just like Perils of Rosella, I didn't think much of it. It was borderline mediocre. The most exciting part of the game was collecting Mordack's spells so you could use them against him. But like I said, I was sorely disappointed with that.
Hopefully, the entirety of The Silver Lining will take the gold on my list. I like what I'm seeing so far, I just want to see more.
Quote from: Fierce Deity on July 29, 2010, 10:40:45 PM
Hopefully, the entirety of The Silver Lining will take the gold on my list. I like what I'm seeing so far, I just want to see more.
If it keep up the level of intensity and awesomeness, it may even surpass KQVI on my list.
1 ) KQVI - No comments needed.
2 ) KQIV - You know what? I love the change from Day to Night in this game.
3 ) KQVII - Rosella as a troll? Hilarious! Also I liked how you played from two different characters' perspectives.
4 ) KQII+ - The new AGDI version really added a lot more than just graphics. The story, and new characters, were great!
5 ) KQIII - I've only played through this once, but it struck me as unconventional and clever.
6 ) MoE - I can't believe I'm putting MoE ahead of I/II/V ... but I am. Perhaps it's a testament of how little I cared for any of those games.
7 ) KQII
8 ) KQI+ / KQI
9 ) KQV - :watchout: :snake:
1. KQ6
2. KQ4
3. KQ1
4. KQ2+
5. KQ5
6. KQ3
7. KQ1+
8. KQ3+
9. KQ2
I never had a chance to play KQ7 and MoE.
Does the + sign mean the remakes?
'Kay.
King's Quest 6, hands down. It had the best storyline and one-liners. The death puns are the funniest also. Also have a soft spot for Girl In The Tower.
I liked KQ2 remake as well. I liked how it extended the plot. It made for a more engaging and fulfilling story. It had rediscover the old lands in a new way and enjoy the new sections. It's my favorite of the remakes so far. (Notice I say so far. TSL may very well trump it in the future, lol)
Quote from: writerlove on August 02, 2010, 08:52:50 PM
Also have a soft spot for Girl In The Tower.
Really? It seemed awkwardly contemporary to me - at odds with the rest of the fantastic, timeless, story.
I love Girl in the Tower. Burned it onto a mix CD back in the day.
I found it highly amusing that the song was being played during a scene in Torin's Passage.
Quote from: kindofdoon on August 02, 2010, 09:02:17 PM
Quote from: writerlove on August 02, 2010, 08:52:50 PM
Also have a soft spot for Girl In The Tower.
Really? It seemed awkwardly contemporary to me - at odds with the rest of the fantastic, timeless, story.
Everyone has their own opinion :) I'm a sucker for cheesy love songs and it fits the description.
KQ6 is a given for me; the atmosphere, the soundtrack (which I blasted on my iPod and shamelessly whistled along to while walking to town the other day), the characters, the story... Everything is perfect about it.
I like KQ7 (again, great soundtrack), since it got me back into the series after it was long lost in my mind as a little kid. It was one of two pieces of software (the other was an interactive encyclopaedia) that came with our first PC.
Despite never having completed it before (I've shamefully only completed three of the KQ games, but watched the rest on YouTube and loved them!), I have recently totally fallen in love with KQ3, if only for the opening scene. The music just sets the atmosphere perfectly and the story is really gripping. I can only imagine the controversy Gwydion caused when he was the protagonist instead of Graham (who confusingly stayed rather yellow for this game!).
I've got all of KQVI on my iPod as well!
Just out of curiosity Mango, why did you only complete three of the games? Did you not have them or just couldn't find the time to complete them?
1. KQ5
2. KQ6
3. KQ3
4. KQ4
5. KQ2
6. KQ1 (VGA)
7. KQ1
8. MoE
9. KQ7
The #1 slot was pretty obvious, given your name, lol.
Lol, yeah. :P
Awww, I love Girl in the Tower! So nostalgic. I like the version that plays within the game better than the actual version, though. Like when Alex and Cassie are talking through the wall. :)
Eh, too cheesy.
That's what makes it so glorious!
I like the piano version in game. The sung ballad is what I don't like. To me, it felt like being smacked with mundane Earth music after I'd been voyaging all over the most spectacular realms I'd ever seen.
Only time I ever listen to it is when it gets stuck in my head, its very good at that. ;P
Quote from: kindofdoon on August 03, 2010, 11:03:00 PM
I like the piano version in game.
That's the one I prefer, too. But the ballad is so cheesy it's awesome. ;D
Well, I can't use any sort of logic to argue here, so I'll just leave it at that.
Haids: 1
Doon: 0
:suffer:
Don't my wallpapers count for anything? I demand a point!
Quote from: writerlove on August 03, 2010, 05:26:15 PM
Just out of curiosity Mango, why did you only complete three of the games? Did you not have them or just couldn't find the time to complete them?
I do own all of them (including MoE, but ain't completing that). I have one of the KQ collections (the 1 - 6 one), KQ6 on its own, the 2006 KQ Collection, and KQ7 on its own. More than covered!
I actually completed KQ1, KQ6 and KQ7, although I plan to rectify my lack of KQ2 - 5 in the future. KQ5 felt too slow-paced to me but I do want to persevere with it. The time limits in KQ3 and 4 make me unnervy (although I yesterday started a game of the former on my old laptop and managed to get Manannan to go on a journey, so may continue with that), and KQ2 I have little reason for not completing besides ascare I had involving the game as a kid.
Also, KQVI iPodders are SERIOUS BUSINESS.
QuoteThe time limits in KQ3 and 4 make me unnervy
Help me out guys, but KQ4 doesn't have a time limit, as such, does it? I mean, it goes from day to night only when you've completed everything you need to.
...We'll, I guess you have a time limit in the whale, but that's not much. ::)
There actually IS a time limit in KQ4, but it's very lenient. I think every 20 minutes of real life time is an hour of game time. I know if you wait long enough, night will come, and if you wait 24 in game-hours, Graham and Genesta will die. It takes so long though, there's no real need to hurry.
QuoteThere actually IS a time limit in KQ4, but it's very lenient. I think every 20 minutes of real life time is an hour of game time. I know if you wait long enough, night will come, and if you wait 24 in game-hours, Graham and Genesta will die. It takes so long though, there's no real need to hurry.
I had no idea! That makes sense though. I believe I remember my folks playing the game once and having it 'night time' without having done certain things. Wouldn't this allow you to get 'stuck' terminally?
It might...I don't know for sure though. I'm too lazy to wait until night to try to do things. XD
I do know that if you let night fall before getting the scarab, the zombies around the haunted house will be able to kill you, and you probably won't be able to dig up all of the ghosts items...
Yes, I remember them (parents) having that problem. I could never figure out why they hadn't had the scarab in the first place.
I remember them running a lot. :o
Well, old KQ games were infamous for having unwinnable conditions.
I do think, though, that nighttime was also hurried along/triggered if you had everything you needed for it--once you did, bam! It was nighttime :) (or maybe it was triggered even if you didn't and you'd just hit whatever said trigger was)
I had no idea KQ4 had a time limit either. I'm getting an urge play one of the old ones all of a sudden :P
If only they would release the KQ4 remake! :-\
(Though they're probably saying "If only they would release the rest of TSL!")
Quote from: KatieHal on August 04, 2010, 09:49:03 AM
Well, old KQ games were infamous for having unwinnable conditions.
I do think, though, that nighttime was also hurried along/triggered if you had everything you needed for it--once you did, bam! It was nighttime :) (or maybe it was triggered even if you didn't and you'd just hit whatever said trigger was)
And not just mildly unwinnable like you'd have to back up a bit and fix things, but literally you'd find yourself in a situation where you needed to start the entire game over from scratch because you didn't have a save game from before you missed whatever item you needed or used it in the wrong way.
I once spent half a day replaying KQV so that I could get one singular item I missed...
I wish I could play MoE. I should move it further up on my list. I think action-adventure should've been the direction KQ went in.
It was?! When? I never noticed!
Quote from: TheReturnofDMD on August 04, 2010, 02:34:28 PM
I wish I could play MoE. I should move it further up on my list. I think action-adventure should've been the direction KQ went in.
Really? I can't really debate that, seeing as it's an issue of taste and personal preference, but you're the first person I've heard to say that.
Gee Whiz. Like many others, I'll have to factor in the remakes as well as the canonical ones. Lowest to highest:
Romancing the Throne (KQ2 original): Some puzzles were a little too easy and silly. Some of them were plain illogical, and loose ends galore. It probably looked better on the developer's table than in practice.
Absence Makes the Heart Go Yonder: Cedric, surprisingly, isn't much of a factor here. The pointless ways to die, the notorious amounts of dead ends, and the creaky audio are more grating. Still has to be thanked for the graphical interface.
Quest for the Crown (original): Seems a little unfair to rank it so low, as it started the whole thing, but it had more than a few hair-pulling Guide Dang Its and the others were able to build a story from the roots of it. Still, the puzzles made more sense in the first than the second.
To Heir is to Human (original): OK, it's not a King's Quest unless there's a pointless way to fall to your death. They seemed to be getting on their feet story-wise, and the puzzles made sense. The only issue here is the waiting...and more waiting. NICE Easter Egg about the...ahem...proof of identity Alex ends up providing...(and how many fangirls here wouldn't mind the view? ;D)
To Heir is to Human (Remake): Nicer interface, and GREAT additions like Mordak's cameo and Rosella's farewell to Graham (along with Josh Mandel officially voicing Graham in more fan games than canon ones!), but still the issues with waiting and waiting are there.
Perils of Rosella: A little more strength on the story, the interface is smoother. Still a few really harsh Guide Dang Its (the bridle is VERY tricky), but the strengths make up for it.
Quest for the Crown (AGD remake): It's a faithful adaptation, smooths out the wrinkles, adds an couple Easter eggs, and is generally nice to play, but it's still the first game without some of the awesome the later games get.
The Princeless Bride: The upsides are no dead-ends, logical puzzles, a great sense of humor, solid voice acting, and Valanice finally getting to step up to the plate. The downside is a really garish art style that looked better on Space Quest 6. Odd as this sounds, it also was just a hair too easy, like it was made for younger players than KQ6 was.
Romancing the Stones (AGD Remake KQ2): This is what fanfic SHOULD be in every way, shape, and form. My hats off to them. It takes the one I thought was the most annoying entry and actually arranges it to make sense! Wicked twists with the Werewolf vs Vampire plotline, marvelous nods and tie-ins to the other entries. The Air Gem tests were AMAZING. The Lewendowskis' music was worth downloading all on its own merits. Everyone gets fleshing out, the loose ends get explained, and the curse at end...*shudder*
Heir Today: Gone Tomorrow: Holy Crap! Is that Robbie "The Beast" Benson voicing the lead? There's a reason the dude's typecast...he's just too good at playing that type. And...That's Tony Jay and Don Messick! SWEET! The music is excellent, the artwork top-notch, the interface smooth, the sense of humor and the heavy-weight stuff blend instead of grate on one another. Cassima kicks butt and...Did Alex just make Death cry? Oh, this is AWESOME!
I really like Robby Benson's voice, especially as Alexander.
Me too. :) I love how soft-spoken he is, even when he's getting loud and excited about something. Robby Benson was the perfect choice for Alexander.
The narrator of KQVI combined with Benson = perfection.
Hopefully the new TSL Alexander is on par with Benson.
He's not an exact match, if I remember correctly, but he's great in his own way. I think we'll be happy. :)
I know so.
Allronix, are you sure *we're* not twins?? :P
My list is almost exactly the same as yours, although I'd rank KQ3 (original and remake) a bit higher because the waiting didn't bother me unless I forgot to get everything ready for the cookie during his first journey, and I'd include MoE (very low) on the list.
Quote from: Haids1987 on August 05, 2010, 10:54:10 PM
He's not an exact match, if I remember correctly, but he's great in his own way. I think we'll be happy. :)
Lol...if by "not an exact match," you mean, "not even the remotest bit close," then yes. And the second part remains to be seen. To be fair though, Robbie Benson's performance is an impossibly tough act to follow. ;)
It certainly is. And you can't hope for the new actor to sound anything like him either.
QuoteIt might...I don't know for sure though. I'm too lazy to wait until night to try to do things.
I do know that if you let night fall before getting the scarab, the zombies around the haunted house will be able to kill you, and you probably won't be able to dig up all of the ghosts items...
In most versions, if you don't have the scarab there is a zombie guarding the front door to the mansion, that will kill you. So without the Scarab you can't even enter the house.
Now if you use cheat code to get the crypt key, you can get into the crypt without the scarab, and there is an easter egg death notice, where the mummy can kill you. Then it asks how the hell you got in there without the scarab.
Quote from: crayauchtin on August 06, 2010, 05:10:59 PM
Allronix, are you sure *we're* not twins?? :P
My list is almost exactly the same as yours, although I'd rank KQ3 (original and remake) a bit higher because the waiting didn't bother me unless I forgot to get everything ready for the cookie during his first journey, and I'd include MoE (very low) on the list.
I've got a twin, and she's too busy with grad school to go posting here. I'm just slacking off between Microsoft Certification study drills. (Got my MCDST - YAY! Now for the Windows 7 upgrade to it...)
Actually, I love all of the games. (Except MoE, but who's gonna fault me for that? :angel: )
I really like how each game evolves the series a little more each time.
KQ1 Original is probably the one I replay the least. It's nothing personal, it's just that KQ1 doesn't have the same speed settings as other AGI games, so you can only play on Slow, REALLY Slow, or Way Too Fast. :P
Still, it was the starting point, so I respect it for that.
And it did have some cute touches, like the finger counting easter egg, and Graham's hat falling off as he bows.
KQ2 tends to get a bit of flak for the random puzzles, but you can see how it improves on KQ1.
The introduction and ending are more fleshed out, the graphics are better, the areas have more descriptions, you have a lot of cool places to explore, and a bunch of easter eggs to find.
It also has some cool ways to die, like getting possessed by the ghosts, drinking the poison water, and annoying Neptune.
The only thing that really bugs me is the snake\bridle puzzle. I can think of ways to defend almost every other infamously hard puzzle in the KQ series, but I STLL don't get the snake\bridle thing. XD
KQ3 is where the storytelling starts to pick up. They did a good job of making Manannan scare you with his random appearances. (That dramatic PC Speaker music helped there. :P)
I think one of the best moments in the series is when you finally deal with Manannan and that triumphant music plays in honor of your newfound freedom. :P
It was also cool getting to use the transformation spells. (And finding ways to die with them... :P)
The waiting, though...it'd be nice if they could come up with a way to cut down on it.
At least while waiting for Manannan, you could collect all of the spell ingredients, and prepare all of your spells. But the pirate ship just goes on, and on, and on... Then again, you could always sink it with the storm spell if you're bored... XD
In any case, I think it's all worth it for that reunion back in Castle Daventry. I love KQ3's ending.
KQ4 made the big jump to the SCI engine, so you get some nice benefits out of that. You have a full soundtrack, that grand fanfare opening.
The storytelling also took a step up. It's sad, seeing Graham on his deathbed. (The bad ending always makes me cry. :P)
I think it also does a good job of making you feel small and helpless in a frightening, dangerous land.
Sure, you have some friendly characters like the bard, and the Seven Dwarves, but then you have the ogres, the troll, the creepy witches, the zombies...Lolotte made for an intimidating villain as well.
It also has some of my favorite deaths...the zombies, the ogre, the random swamp monster, and stupidly waking Lolotte up. :P
It also has a lot of nice little details if you look for them...you can try to take the fisherman's coffee, you can try to kiss random people\monsters, you can try to scream for help when you're in Lolotte's dungeon. It's also fun to have the game scold you for trying to steal or kill people. :P
The only thing is that some parts are kinda unforgiving. If you're VERY precise, you can sneak past Lolotte's goons okay, and with some practice, you can catch the glass eye in one try, but the Ogre cave is just pure luck. :P
All in all though, I think its a great game.
KQ5...I see a lot of hate for it these days, but I love the game.
It does have flaws...the desert maze is very harsh if you don't know where to go, the red X tends to pop up too much when trying to interact with things,, and you have a lot of dead ends...still, there's too much charm for me to not like the game. The voice acting is silly, but in a good way, only a couple of voices really annoy me. It has some great music (Sometimes I hum Graham's theme on peaceful days :P), awesome death scenes (The puns came out in full force this time XD), and the infamous Graham Scream that went on to be reused in every other Sierra game. :P
I dunno...its just silly, good fun. I love parts like Graham's sarcastic showdown with the witch, meeting those thugs in the inn, the Queen Bee with the southern belle accent, annoying that crazy old hermit on the beach, the showdown with Mordack...I just find it to be a loveable game all around. :P
It's probably the one I replay the most.
KQ6...well, gee, what can I say that no one else already has? XD
I hate to sound cliched, but it's pretty much the series at its peak. The amount of detail is amazing, the voicework is awesome, the soundtrack is beautiful (I actually like Girl in the Tower, though I prefer the intrumental version.), and you have all of the memorable characters, easter eggs, and good old Rotten Tomato. XD
KQ7 is very underrated, I think. Most people write it off because of the cartoony graphics, but hey, they said the same thing about Wind Waker. :P
Maybe it does come off as a little Disney-ish, but KQ games ARE based on fairy tales, so I don't think its a horribly unfitting change.
It has a good story (Malicia could've been a pretty terrifying villain if they didn't make her so silly.), and I like how Valanice finally gets time in the spotlight. Falderal's just too silly not to love, and trying to trade random stuff with the kangaroo rat is always fun.
Also, there are no dead-ends, so that's a plus.
The thing that bugs me is the interface, though. The X of Non-Interactivity from KQ5 returns, and all of the interaction icons just got compressed into a boring "do stuff" cursor. I know they wanted to make things simple for new players and all (I think they wanted to live up to KQ's reputation as a beginner's adventure game series, for once. :P), but I miss being able to do everything seperately. It really cuts down on looking for the fun, little details. You tend to have a lot of cool looking stuff in the background that you can't get any comment on, and maybe one or two sparkles to click on.
Maybe they just didn't want to have a narrator...I dunno. :P
It also makes most of the dangerous situations kinda silly. Clicking on the Boogeyman is just going to get you killed now instead of 5 seconds later, same with clicking on the scorpion, the nightmare, the giant lizard...
I also think the death messages could've used a bit more flavor. Some are kinda funny, but mostly it's just obvious hints on what you should've done.
Still, KQ7 is a fun game, and I don't think people should be too quick to dismiss it.
KQ1SCI... I think its probably the best of Sierra's remakes. (Though if my guess is right, its also the only one that wasn't noticably rushed.)
It pretty much keeps all the basics the same, doesn't leave anything big from the original out, and gives the game a great touch-up. All of the new music is awesome, and I like the new ending a lot better than King Edward just keeling over and disappearing. :P
You also have some nice little touches like counting your fingers while invisible, trying to pick the lock on the mountain door, calling the rat a mouse, asking the parser "Who, What, When, Why, How"...its just a very polished remake.
So yeah. I pretty much just love all of them. XD
Maybe I'm biased, overly nostalgic, too soft on them, or just plain sappy, but all of the KQ games are my favorite.
So yeah,that's my two cents...or 40, I went on for a while. :P
Quote from: Baggins on August 07, 2010, 04:04:56 AMIn most versions, if you don't have the scarab there is a zombie guarding the front door to the mansion, that will kill you. So without the Scarab you can't even enter the house.
Maybe that's only in the AGI version, because I don't recall that ever being the case in the SCI version.
Quote from: Baggins on August 07, 2010, 04:04:56 AMNow if you use cheat code to get the crypt key, you can get into the crypt without the scarab, and there is an easter egg death notice, where the mummy can kill you. Then it asks how the hell you got in there without the scarab.
Hah, that's awesome.
King's Quest VII - My mom saw this in the store and got it for my sister and I for Christmas, making it the first KQ game we ever played. So much nostalgia and love. I loved how many different areas and characters there were, and I always felt suuuuper creeped out during Ooga Booga (damn you, Boogeyman!). It wasn't nearly as hard as other games, but I have a major soft spot for it. And I loved that you got to experience totally different things as Valanice and Rosella.
King's Quest VI - The only reason 7 is above 6 is for the nostalgia factor. We definitely played 6 way more often (my mom got us the collection with Colonel's Bequest and whatever the Christmas after she got us 7 because we played 7 so much). I loved the storyline, looooved the Green Isles, loved how every time Shamir showed up in disguise my sister and I would screech, "Look! His eyes! Don't trust him!" So good. By far the most intriguing of the games.
King's Quest III - This was so hard. But that's part of what made it good. It was soooo frustrating when Mannanan showed up, but oh well.
King's Quest IV - I, for some reason, had a harder time with this one than with 3. Not sure why. I liked being Rosella, and I thought it was a bizarre, fun little game. Parts of it definitely made me nervous while walking through it haha.
King's QUuest I - Just a classic. My sister and I switched between the remake and the original pretty frequently.
King's Quest V - My problem wasn't really with Cedric, or the voice acting, but it just...was kind of a dull story. I found Graham really annoying in this one haha. It was interesting to a point, but then it just seemed like they didn't know where to go with it so they just threw random things in there (throwing a pie in the yeti's face, the whole evles emerald honey fail, using a tambourine on that creature). I don't think I ever finished it.
King's Quest II - It just seemed so random. Not much of a story line, but still a fun adventure game.
MoE - I didn't play it much. My problem WASN'T with the fact that you were killing things or that it was 3D (Although the graphics, while visionary at the time...wow. JUst. Not good.) My sister moved out shortly after we got this and I was young and therefore too scared to play it by myself. My biggest issue was that it had nothing to do, really, with King's Quest games, and the fact that it was so much more about killing and potions and what have you rather than puzzle solving felt like a lame attempt to try to "keep up with the times." I think as a game it stands alone fairly well, although I don't think it's anything crazy impressive. Just a standard 90's game. As part of the series, I think it falls pretty flat.
QuoteMaybe that's only in the AGI version, because I don't recall that ever being the case in the SCI version.
The zombie guarding the front door to the mansion is definitely in the SCI version. It prevents you from getting inside the mansion at night if you don't have the scarab, and will killy you. This prevents the player from starting the ghost sequences.
I saw an LP where someone avoided that by typing "open door" from one step down instead of directly at the door. I think they may have already had the scarab, but the zombie didn't even come out if he did that.
Quote from: Baggins on January 05, 2011, 12:33:27 PMThe zombie guarding the front door to the mansion is definitely in the SCI version. It prevents you from getting inside the mansion at night if you don't have the scarab, and will killy you. This prevents the player from starting the ghost sequences.
No offense.....but I really don't think that's right, unless you just recently tried and confirmed it. The reason is because when I first played KQIV, I never attempted to go past the homicidal trees in the forest (I assumed that they were there to provide a logical boundary to the map), and so I made it into the night several times without the scarab, and I remember going into the house at night at least once and hearing the baby in the crib. Then when I got completely stuck and finally checked the UHS out of desperation, I started on the slow path to discovering the hideout of the witches.
Now, I do remember a zombie popping up at night in front of the house (I remember because I questioned why there was a zombie where there was no grave), but I don't remember it keeping you from entering the house.
Regardless, now I'm curious, so I think I'm going to see if I can duplicate this tonight.
(Posted on: January 05, 2011, 05:47:58 PM)
Okay, I concede, Baggins, you're right. It's incredibly easy to avoid her though, by doing what Katie mentioned, so no doubt that's what happened when I played it those many years ago; I just unknowingly opened the door before stepping up to it all the way and never knew she was there.
Fascinating thanks Katie.... In theory you could possibly dig the graves and get the treasures, if you could get the zombies trapped behnd obstacles while you dig. This would make it possible get into the crypt without the scarab, without resorting to cheat codes.
As I recall though if you have the scarab the zombie at hte door never actually appears. It only appears if you lack the scarab.
Indeed. In fact, LPer LateBlt (http://www.youtube.com/user/lateblt#p/u/17/ck2JMEhFtYU) did a video about how yes, you can do the digging without the scarab. :)
However, you cannot get Pandora's Box without it. (Also shown in his video there.)
That video is also how I knew about the trick to get inside without being zombie'd.
Ya, my point was you could get to the crypt, but you'd get the mummy death scene without using cheat codes. I.E, the "How the hell did you get here" death. Which is what you saw in the video.
I love that they say that when you get in without it! :rofl:
Yeah, I literally lol'ed when I saw that. Such wit! I may have to try that as an aside during my KQIV LP just for kicks.