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Title: PCs
Post by: Mary Jane on March 25, 2004, 03:54:16 PM
Iv'e noticed that several threads have been invaded by insane computer lingo, so here is my gift to you, the computer thread.
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: B'rrr on March 25, 2004, 04:13:43 PM
*gives say a comp that doesn't crashes*

I have 3 computers and I wish I hadn't ; ) ....cwappy machines!! hahahaha
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Say on March 25, 2004, 04:16:36 PM
oh yeah Rob experiences as well my suddens... "disappearances" lol,  its like

when you first know me:
*afk for 2 mins*
"wtf where did she go?"
*afk for 3 mins*
"... she probably crashed"

after a while:
*going afk for like 2 mins*
"wtf did you crash?!"
*after 3 minutes and no reply*
"oh yeah, you crasher*

hahaha :D true story, cuz they copy paste it when I get back ;P lol

Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Jeysie on March 25, 2004, 04:51:48 PM
No, no, you should switch to using Opera. 8)

Peace & Luv, Liz
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on March 25, 2004, 04:55:31 PM
No, no, you should switch to using Opera. 8)
I don't like ad-browsers. :-X
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Jeysie on March 25, 2004, 05:03:40 PM
Too bad... I've tried FireFox, and I find Opera a lot faster, more customizable, and more featured, at about half the download and install size. (And that's not even including wrangling with any of those weird FireFox extension thingys.)

Peace & Luv, Liz
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Storm on March 25, 2004, 05:14:53 PM
Haven't had any crashes for a while... Unless you count Zork.
XP has no respect for the elderly  :P
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: etgadsby on March 25, 2004, 08:23:31 PM
Next time a Dell or G5 “falls off a truck” in my general direction I’ll ship it down to Say…

The phrase that pilots use is “what equipment you on?” (aka what plane are are you flying)  

 So what equipment is everybody on?
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Yonkey on March 26, 2004, 06:43:32 AM
I'm on an Intel P-III 866, 512MB SDRAM, ATI Radeon 7000 Series (64MB), 60GB HD, WinXP Pro.  ;D

Definitely not the fastest beast on the market, but I very rarely crash or freeze, so it's fine for me!  :P
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Drunken Chinchilla on March 26, 2004, 06:48:00 AM
Athlon 1.33 Ghz, 256 DDR Ram, Geoforce 220 MX 64 MB(maybe, dunno tbh) 60 GB HD Win XP home edition.

I have a feeling a new PC will be arriving this year but I'm not sure when.
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: racx_00 on March 26, 2004, 07:11:51 AM
Athlon 1.33Ghz, 256 DDR Ram, GeForce2 MX/MX 400 (64MB), 40 GB HD with WIN98Se

And hopefully im getting a new computer before Christmas ;B
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Drunken Chinchilla on March 26, 2004, 07:18:06 AM
scary, virtually identical computers bar Xp! Eek!
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: racx_00 on March 26, 2004, 07:21:40 AM
Yeah thats what i was thinking when i was posting XB
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Storm on March 26, 2004, 07:24:53 AM
Right now? Intel Celeron 1.00GHz, 256MB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce2 MX 100/200 (64MB), 20GB HD, Windows XP Home Edition.

But it's not my computer... mine's a lot weaker  ;)
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: etgadsby on March 26, 2004, 07:27:19 AM
My Computers:

Primary:
Titanium PowerBook G4 (800 MHZ, 512, 40 GB, 80 GB Fire wire drive) Mac OS X 10.3.3, Office X

Secondary:
Self-built PC (2.4 GHZ P4, 512, 60 GB, 64 MEG All-In-Wonder) Windows XP Pro, Office 2003

These two are connected using a Belkin USB KVM to an ApplePro keyboard, Kensington mouse, and monster Hitachi 21 inch display (It nearly 10 years old and it’s finally dieing)

Old-Skool Game Machine:
Dell GX1 (400 MHZ, PII)

Server:
Duel 500 G4 running Yellow Dog Linux… the other specs escape me right now check it out a www.plutonianshore.com

Secondary Servers:
A few Pentium Pro boxes borrowed from a friend…they get upgraded this summer…

NOTE: With the exception of the PowerBook and P4 most of this is used and was rescued from dumpsters at work or other people’s basements… wish I was $$$ to buy all this…   !!!

Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Jeysie on March 26, 2004, 10:00:39 AM
Wow, you guys all are blowing me away. ;)

I have an AMD K6-2 350 MMX (equivalent of a PII, I think), 128MB RAM, 7GB hard drive, an ATI Rage LT Pro 4MB card, and Windows 98 (dunno if it's SE or not).

Yeah, I wish I had the money for an upgrade. :P

Peace & Luv, Liz
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: etgadsby on March 26, 2004, 12:46:04 PM
And I’ve got a SUN and SGI at work…along with an NMR…

NMR = Nuclear Magnetic Resonator. (Anybody want to know what Mt Dew is really made of ?  Check it out http://www.acts.org/roland/mt.dew/)

Then again equipment worth more then me technically isn’t a “personal computer” anymore is it?








Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on March 26, 2004, 03:54:20 PM
My current pc's specs are somewhere floating around in another thread. Let me see if I can dig them up. Here you go:

Specs of the old pc: 233 Mhz Pentium II, 64 mb SDRam, Creative Banshee video card, one 4 GB hard drive (5400 rpm), Sound Blaster AWE64 Gold sound card.

Specs of the new pc: AMD Athlon64 3200 XP, Corsair (selected) 512 Mb DDR400, Sapphire Radeon 9800XT 256Mb, 2HD's of 111 GB (it says 120 in the specs but it's only 111 actually) 7200 rmp, 5.1 audio is on the MSI K8T Neo-FIS2R MB.

Quite a large difference don't you think?

Oh yeah, the server is a Pentium II(I) 500Mhz, with Win98SE, but that pc is maintained by my brother, so I know nothing else about it, nor do I about his pc or my parent's pc, who are all connected to a switch. 8)
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Oldbushie on March 26, 2004, 04:10:15 PM
No, no, you should switch to using Opera. 8)
I don't like ad-browsers. :-X
If you buy/register Opera, there is no ad. ;)
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on March 26, 2004, 04:32:16 PM
If you buy/register Opera, there is no ad. ;)
Yes, but why would I buy a browser if I can get one for free?
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Oldbushie on March 26, 2004, 04:49:49 PM
If you buy/register Opera, there is no ad. ;)
Yes, but why would I buy a browser if I can get one for free?
If you look carefully, you *can* use it for free and no ad... ;)
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on March 26, 2004, 05:00:34 PM
If you look carefully, you *can* use it for free and no ad... ;)
You mean, if you search carefully. Yes, I know, the Opera on Win95 has no ad. ::)
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Jeysie on March 26, 2004, 05:17:53 PM
If you don't want to use Opera, that's OK. I just like taking any opportunity to sing Opera's praises that I can (pun intended). ;D

Peace & Luv, Liz
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Storm on March 26, 2004, 05:28:43 PM
Wow, you guys all are blowing me away. ;)

I have an AMD K6-2 350 MMX (equivalent of a PII, I think), 128MB RAM, 7GB hard drive, an ATI Rage LT Pro 4MB card, and Windows 98 (dunno if it's SE or not).

Yeah, I wish I had the money for an upgrade. :P

Actually, my computer isn't that much better than yours :-\
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Jeysie on March 26, 2004, 05:49:40 PM
/me thinks her and Storm should form a " People Stuck With Crappy Computers" club. ;)

Peace & Luv, Liz
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Storm on March 26, 2004, 05:54:19 PM
It may be crappy, but it does pretty much everything I need... mostly because I don't need anything fancy  :S

/me joins the Upgrade-Deprived club 8)
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: B'rrr on March 26, 2004, 07:09:11 PM
hahaha... this thread looks like "who has the biggest...." ; )
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Storm on March 26, 2004, 07:14:08 PM
You know, it's not the size that counts... it's how you use it  8)
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: B'rrr on March 26, 2004, 07:24:23 PM
hahahaha..... these boards are filled with AP quotes ; )
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: etgadsby on March 26, 2004, 09:32:34 PM
Ok, I guess the who’s “you know” is bigger then whose thing only sort is interesting. Though my NMR wins!

I think it’d be lots of fun to see pictures of folks PC’s... being a Tec I’m constantly amazed by how folks keep and set-up their stuff.  

We have only Prof at my college who became so concerned that her PC (with important research on it) was going to be moved that she drew all over the it (mostly personal phone numbers and such) so that it could never be moved to anybody
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: racx_00 on March 26, 2004, 09:45:34 PM
Im hoping to get a Pentium 4 just a little while before christmas ;B
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on March 27, 2004, 01:51:09 PM
I think it’d be lots of fun to see pictures of folks PC’s... being a Tec I’m constantly amazed by how folks keep and set-up their stuff.
Well, there's this midi-tower next to my computer desk, above that is a 17 inch LCD monitor. Besides that (literally, so to the side of it), on my computer desk, there's a M$ ergonomic keyboard and a Logitech dual optical mouse. Below the computer desk, there's lots of cables lying around, from both the new and the old computer. (In case you wonder why the new pc isn't in the computer desk, it's because the old pc still is.) 8)
The main reason why I bought a new pc was because the old pc couldn't play the newest adventure games. I had to resort to my work laptop to play Syberia! :o
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Storm on March 27, 2004, 04:43:54 PM
My PC setting isn't that interesting... just a regular computer desk ;)

My computer is old, but I'm not going to upgrade it as long as I don't have any games or programs that require a stronger computer... right now it doesn't look like I'll be upgrading for a while :P

I am considering buying a CD burner though... but I don't know if the computer would be able handle it. Last time there was a burner on it, it hardly ever worked properly :-[
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: B'rrr on March 27, 2004, 05:07:45 PM
hmmm... the setting of my PC? welll, I almost always use my laptop and it is located on my bed ; )
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Yonkey on March 27, 2004, 05:33:52 PM
I am considering buying a CD burner though... but I don't know if the computer would be able handle it. Last time there was a burner on it, it hardly ever worked properly :-[

Was the CD burner a good brand?  Did your computer freeze a lot, or did the burner just always screw up and make "coasters".  ;D  Did you try using a different brand of CD-media?
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Storm on March 27, 2004, 05:45:55 PM
IIRC, it was Yamaha - and I think it works just fine on different computer  :-\
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Jeysie on March 27, 2004, 06:58:06 PM
I have a big supah-spiffy desk that Harrison bought me for either Christmas or my birthday, I forget which. In addition to my monitor, tower, speakers, mouse and mousepad, and printer, I also have my stereo, my CDs, most of my tapes, some computer books, my computer CD wallets, some stray game boxes I keep around because they look cool, and I still have room left over on top of it! (Well, when my cat isn't walking all over it, hee.) It's got a keyboard tray, one little cabinet on the left where I keep my printer paper and software manuals, a little cubbyhole on the right where I have my scanner when I'm not using it, and the power strip, and a drawer where I keep random things like my dictionary and thesauri and pens and bus schedules and whatnot. I also have a printout of the Sid Meier Alpha Centauri tech tree on the side wall. I totally <3 it. :) I'll take a picture tomorrow, I think.

Now if only the computer itself was as cool as my desk! :suffer: ...it's actually not a bad computer, to be honest... but I'd like to get something I can use for making DVDs, and I'd love to actually be able to play a few of the newer games out there. :P

Peace & Luv, Liz
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: racx_00 on March 28, 2004, 12:22:04 AM
IMO the computer that i have now would be perfect if it had a DVD-Burner XD
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Jeysie on March 28, 2004, 04:46:13 AM
I'll take a picture tomorrow, I think.

Otay, here we go, my spiffalicious desk! ;D

Peace & Luv, Liz
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: racx_00 on March 28, 2004, 05:05:12 AM
I like the way you have your desk set out ;D
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Jeysie on March 28, 2004, 05:49:43 AM
Thanks! :) It really is the perfect desk for me... it's got a little cubbyhole for just about everything, so it appeals to my slightly obsessive neat freak nature. (Yes, my desk usually is that clean... at most I might have a small pile of paperwork on the left side that I need to put away.)

Peace & Luv, Liz
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: racx_00 on March 28, 2004, 06:22:34 AM
I have an old dining table ;D, its big and rectangular ;), perfect size ;B, i dont need a desk cos its that good :suffer:
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Storm on March 28, 2004, 10:43:56 AM
Nice set-up, Jeysie!
Your computer may not be better than mine, but it LOOKS better ;)
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Say on March 28, 2004, 12:41:00 PM
hahaha Im so never ever taking a pic of my desk... it is a TOTAL mess :P

lubly desk Jeysie wtf :D
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Jeysie on March 28, 2004, 12:48:49 PM
lubly desk Jeysie wtf :D

Hee! And you wonder why I say I <3 Harrison all the time. He does lots of shibby things for me like this. ;D

Peace & Luv, Liz
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on March 28, 2004, 02:16:28 PM
My computer desk isn't nearly that high. Just some elevation to put my monitor and my sound speaker on.

Our cat is not allowed anywhere near our pc's and she knows that. 8)
The boxes of my computer games are located on shelves next to my computer desk, behind the desk this (new) pc is on.
Wherever I work, there's paperwork everywhere. Particulary on my pc desk, it's very probable many of it is of absolutely no use anymore, but the urge to clean it up just doesn't come to me that much. :P
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Jeysie on March 28, 2004, 04:14:45 PM
So nobody else is going to post a picture for Eric? ;)

Peace & Luv, Liz
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Storm on March 28, 2004, 04:27:16 PM
I would have posted a pic if I had one  :-[
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: B'rrr on March 28, 2004, 04:32:34 PM
...perhaps 'll post one if I can get my hands on a camara ; ) ...I'll try tomorrow ; /
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: racx_00 on March 28, 2004, 09:43:51 PM
Mine has stuff all over it so i wont be posting a picture of it ;B
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: dew7 on March 30, 2004, 08:50:53 AM
   Forgot to mention that it is an old-school style motherboard --- Asus P2BF ---- it has jumpers and can only support a Pentium III 600 mhz. max ---- it has been very stable ---- time to upgrade soon when I have the time and money   !!!
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on March 30, 2004, 02:14:01 PM
Apparently there are some leaky componens on my old pc-MB, or so the store clerk told me when I had turned in my old pc to replace a burnt-out power supply.
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: etgadsby on March 30, 2004, 06:54:19 PM
Leaky? As in my roof leaks?
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on March 31, 2004, 08:21:27 AM
No, leaky as in leaking contents.
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: dew7 on March 31, 2004, 09:11:56 PM
etgadsby, as a tech, have you seen the post that I started about Which Windows is Best and the discussion of why the 9x code must be updated to maintain backwards compatibility and how it is superior on gaming.  The Wall Street Journal says the X-Box uses a variant of 98SE.  Also, on microsoft 98 gen_newsgroup someone with a dual-boot system did a comparison of a game and found that on 98SE their were fewer frames dropped.  Please convice the tech. community to stick with 98SE or switch to Linux to protest Microsoft insistence that everyone up date to Windows XP Pro.  We must maintain a unified front to help force the giant Microsoft corporation to back down from going into unsupported mode for the 9x code.  As a shareholder, I think this will be Microsoft's undoing and may even lead to the demise of the company if Microsoft is not careful.  I thank Microsoft for extending 9x lifeline to June 2006 but we must convince them that a new 98SE --- 98 third edition is needed ---------- please, please help me in this effort and get your tech. friends to help too.  I need all the help possible to overcome Microsoft's decision and even that may fail.  I hope to introduce a proposal that would force Microsoft to continue the 9x line with a 98 third edition that has exit to DOS and new features but not limited like ME was and not based on NT like Windows XP pro is.  Please help me with my efforts and have a great night.   ;D
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on April 01, 2004, 01:09:37 PM
Please convice the tech. community to stick with 98SE or switch to Linux to protest Microsoft insistence that everyone up date to Windows XP Pro.
This post has been made with the Konqueror Browser under Linux. ;D
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: dew7 on April 02, 2004, 12:20:52 AM
Oh, that is good  :D  I wonder how long it will take Microsoft to get the hint that consumers like 98SE and want a continuation of the 9x line?  I have read that at its basic level the NT code is flawed whereas the 9x code is not flawed.  Why Microsoft chose to go the NT route instead of the 9x route is beyond me?  Oh, well  It will be their undoing in the end due to the many inherent security flaws of the NT code.   ;D
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: etgadsby on April 02, 2004, 06:59:59 AM
dew7, I do want to take a moment to give you a thoughtful response to your “Windows 98 Third Edition” idea. Right now I’m a little fragmented, with luck I’ll be able to make an intelligent post later today/tonight. Just wanted to let you know I hadn’t forgotten about you!   ;]
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on April 02, 2004, 09:17:55 AM
I have read that at its basic level the NT code is flawed whereas the 9x code is not flawed.  Why Microsoft chose to go the NT route instead of the 9x route is beyond me?
Maybe at its basic level the NT code is more flawed than the 9x code but at its top level it's the complete opposite. After all, companies (who use(d) NT), can't afford to have flaws in their OS.
I still have a lot of customizing to do in Linux, not the least of which is to try and get the HD-, the network controller- and the sound chip-drivers loaded automatically, instead of manually (by myself). :-\
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: dew7 on April 02, 2004, 11:16:57 AM
   Copycat, I would suggest you think about being an architect for a minute.  If you were designing a building you would want a strong foundation, right?  You would not build your building in a swamp where it would sink down into the mud and collapse no matter how strong a building was built.  You would want to build the structure on rock or a solid foundation.  Likewise using this analogy, you can see the differences between the NT and 9x source codes.  The NT source code has a weak foundation as its most basic core whereas the 9x foundation is much stronger at its most basic core.  It does not make any sense for Microsoft to continue to insist that the NT source is more secure.  Check out the eeye.com website to see how many security flaws the NT code still have that have been discovered.  This goes to show that Microsoft should reverse direction and continue to develop for the 9x code because it actually is stronger and can be made more secure if and when the effort is made to strengthen it.
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on April 02, 2004, 01:34:07 PM
Copycat, I would suggest you think about being an architect for a minute.
If I had been good in technical drawing, I wouldn't be a bookkeeper now. ::)

Check out the eeye.com website to see how many security flaws the NT code still have that have been discovered.
Where on that site does it say that 98SE is any better (in the same circumstances) ??? I mean, put a NT-machine and a 98SE-machine next to each other, let them do the same thing, no patching allowed, and see which one of the two has the most security flaws. I'm not saying what you say isn't true, but I have yet to see any proof.
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: dew7 on April 02, 2004, 01:34:54 PM
  So, Copycat is Linux more secure than the NT and 9x Microsoft code   ???
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on April 02, 2004, 01:51:28 PM
 So, Copycat is Linux more secure than the NT and 9x Microsoft code   ???
I'll let you know as soon as Linux is working properly. :-X
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: etgadsby on April 02, 2004, 03:06:51 PM
First off some facts:
-The current version of the xbox runs is essentially a PC (a 733MHz PIII) running a custom Windows 2000 (sorry that’s NT boy and girls) core, with a special 3D menuing system. The system is rather slow but a lot has been done to the graphics and memory busses to “throttle” performance. You can read the all about it here: http://www.xbreporter.com/xbox_system_specifications.php

-Secondly I think I need to point out a key difference between Windows 9x (and Mac OS Classic) and  Windows NT, 2000, XP, Linux, Mac OS X and the father of them all UNIX.  Windows 9x and Mac OS Classic are single user OS’s while the rest are multi-user operating systems. These systems network by nature where Windows 9x and Mac OS Classic had to be upgraded to include networking capacities. Multi-user systems are meant to be legitimately accessed over a network by registered users with valid accounts. Needless to say this opens lots of holes for malicious activities…viruses, worms, and hackers.

-Third, Linux (which is a very close cousin of UNIX) is not secure (See point 2) until YOU secure it… the same with Mac OS X or the much beleaguered (in this thread)Windows XP.

Ok, My Thoughts On “Windows 98 Third Edition”:

In this discussion there are two issues coming up: “Does XP suck?” and “Does XP suck for games?”.  For the sake of brevity (Oh well…I’m well past that already) I’ll stick with “does XP suck”, and the answer is that it does. It’s a hack based on what was essentially going to be OS3 (remember OS2 from IBM) that M$ won/bought as apart of a long since defunct alliance.  It is full of holes some of them are M$ created or neglected to find but some are pitfalls of this multi-user OS thing I’ve been talking about.

“Windows 98 Third Edition” will NEVER happen. The age of the multi-user, internet ready OS is here and I think it’s safe to say it’s staying.  Dew7 I understand your frustration, we have a lot of users where I work who find themselves very frustrated by the added complexities (headaches) that a multi-user/network enabled OS give them. For them there’s no such thing as “off the internet” anymore. For us we constantly have to be aware that even a secretary’s computer is essentially a “server” and may be under attack by a hacker or worm.

Dew7, I both agree with you and I don’t… I think XP and the way M$ chooses to develop software is a problem. I also know what a problem old and outdated OS’s can cause, for various reasons we still have 98 boxes in my environment and they cause  a LOT of problems.  

I don’t like XP, but more 98 isn’t the solution… as I see it you have two choices: find ways to demand more from M$ (see if you can help test Longhorn and be sent betas) or begin to try out alternative OS’s like Mac OS X (my preference) or Linux, both of these are robust standards based OS’s that can be easily secured.

As for XP and games… I’ll let somebody else comment on that and be quiet a while…
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on April 02, 2004, 03:28:03 PM
Etgadsby, so, is a singlu-user OS upgraded with networking capacities more secure than a multi-user OS?
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: etgadsby on April 02, 2004, 03:44:51 PM
It sort of is in the respect that if it’s added as some sort of plug-in, library, or extension it can also be subtracted. Both Win9x and Mac OS Classic could easily have their networking capabilities turned off by the user.  

Mult-user systems are odd because they provide a lot of great features (most web sites run on UNIX systems) that help so many but literally a whole industry is emerging in locking them down so a given PC/Mac/server is able to serve it’s function (whatever that is) without being exploited for nefarious purposes.   :-\
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: dew7 on April 03, 2004, 08:16:28 AM
   So who likes and uses the google toolbar?
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Jeysie on April 03, 2004, 11:13:15 AM
As near as I can tell, almost all of the Google Toolbar functionality has been already built into Opera for some time, so I don't need it. ;D

Peace & Luv, Liz
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on April 03, 2004, 02:34:02 PM
So who likes and uses the google toolbar?
I see no use for it. ;P
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Storm on April 03, 2004, 06:02:36 PM
Don't use it either... If I want to google, I just go there :)
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Yonkey on April 03, 2004, 06:06:58 PM
I find it faster than going to google's site itself.  But obviously if I'm using a school computer or something then I just go there manually.  Ugh, but after the 8 hours of googling we did today at school, I should have definitely installed the toolbar there lol. :P  Oh yeah, like I said earlier, I like how it has a pop-up blocker too.  :)
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on April 04, 2004, 10:14:27 AM
This is what the Google Toolbar is supposed to do:
 •     Search the web with Google from any site
 •    Eliminate pop-up ads
 •    Fill in forms with one click
 •    Highlight search terms on a page

a) Search the web with google from any site: my browser
b) Eliminate pop-up ads: also my browser
c) Fill in forms with one click: my browser does form-handling too
d) Highlight search terms on a page: I can read, so if I want to search for something, I don't want to rely on any other program telling me what I should search for. 8)
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Jeysie on April 04, 2004, 11:39:23 AM
Yep, I was right. ;D

Search the web with google from any site: I can do any search I want to set up straight from my browser's address bar. I can even set up searches that search more than one engine at once, if I want.

Eliminate pop-up ads: Built-in to my browser.

Fill in forms with one click: My browser has a variety of form fields you can set up with information to use to fill-in forms. You can even set up custom stuff using the Notes feature. (I have my little sig in a note now, hee.)

Highlight search terms on a page: This my browser does not do, but there's perfectly good "Find" and "Find as you type" features. ;D

IMHO, Google Toolbar is for those IE folks who just won't switch to a better browser. ;)

Peace & Luv, Liz
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on April 04, 2004, 02:42:05 PM
IMHO, Google Toolbar is for those IE folks who just won't switch to a better browser. ;)
I fully agree, and I don't even have Opera. ;D
Hmm, would that Toolbar work in Konqueror? 8)
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Jeysie on April 04, 2004, 02:49:45 PM
I fully agree, and I don't even have Opera. ;D

Well, you use FireFox on your Windows Box, IIRC, which is still better than IE. ;) (Whether Opera or Mozilla/FireFox is better is a matter of personal taste anyway.)

Hmm, would that Toolbar work in Konqueror?

Dunno... does Konqueror need it?

Peace & Luv, Liz
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Say on April 04, 2004, 03:59:43 PM
*bi.tches are her pc*  >:(

*sets pc on fire*  :lovegoggles:
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on April 04, 2004, 04:11:39 PM
*bi.tches are her pc*  >:(

*sets pc on fire*  :lovegoggles:
Now now Say, don't be so drastic. Maybe you should buy a new pc as a replacement first? ::)
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: etgadsby on April 04, 2004, 07:48:05 PM
PC’s on fire? That’s odd, I’ve been reading a book for A+ certification that suggests that a the best troubleshooting method for a “PC with flames shooting six feet out of the top of the monitor” is to and I quote “run out of the building screaming”  ... ???

As for the Google Bar… I use Safari (heavily based on Konqueror) on my PowerBook and it has both a search bar and pop-up blocker built in. That’s what I have to say about that…  :)
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: etgadsby on April 05, 2004, 10:59:54 AM
Do you want to know what I think or what I am the industry is telling me?

Generally speaking “I think” folks should cozy up to Mac OS X, perhaps that’s an argument for porting it to the x86 platform (Steve Jobs did you hear me?) . It’s more stable, nice and easy to use, and generally free of all this BS I see on Windows.  Linux is another alternative but until somebody rewrites XWindows (the utterly antique subsystem that powers GNOME and friends) that won’t work for the average Joe…

The reason I keep pointing these out is because M$ has demonstrated time and time again (How much did the EU fine them again?) that they aren’t really putting the needs of their users up front.  Then again they are not really putting their engineering on the top of the heap either; most of their technology is “inspired” (stolen from) by Apple and various UNIX distributions.  

M$ wants your cash and wants to influence the industry in to a scary sort of uniformity = “double, plus good”… “War is Peace; Freedom Is Slavery”… etc…

Honestly, I may not be the best person to comment on Windows for the home user as along time ago I decided I would rather not “buy a ticket on the Titanic” as it where… I own a PC… along with my Mac and UNIX systems.  All told I think folks should get beyond M$ and try being “multi-lingual OS” citizens of the Internet.  If we raise the bar for ourselves then M$ will too … when it becomes in their best interest  

NOTE: This post is more my two cents and less facts/figures then the last big one…all options are my own and for all I know could be compete horse hocky…  ;)
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: dew7 on April 05, 2004, 03:22:26 PM
   Yes, user expertise is a must.  Users must know about firewalls, antivirus programs, anti-spyware programs to keep themselves safe on the Internet.  They must have enough knowledge to do things themselves and not rely on Microsoft for everything.  For instance, I learned that a security exploit did not only affect the NT source code but also was a weakness in the 9x code.  I called Microsoft and got patch 828028 to address this security issue.  I also got the hotfix for 2.1 gigahertz and faster processors on 98SE because I plan on upgrading my 450 mhz PIII when I have the money saved up but I do not want to switch to Windows XP Pro. until I have to due to security or other critical issues.  I have been writing to Microsoft to show my support of the 9x source and I can only hope and pray that it makes a difference.  I may evenutually have to go the Linux or Apple route but I will not do that until my hand is forced.  Right now, I am happy with the knowledge that 98SE is supported minimually through Windows Update until June 2006 but for many issues you must contact Microsoft for a majority of your support.   :D
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on April 07, 2004, 02:16:38 PM
All told I think folks should get beyond M$ and try being “multi-lingual OS” citizens of the Internet.
Multi-lingual OS citizen at your service, sir! ;D Although I must confess the second OS is still 'under construction' so I still have to endure m$ XP as my prime OS. :-\
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Oldbushie on April 07, 2004, 08:03:48 PM
I'll take a picture tomorrow, I think.

Otay, here we go, my spiffalicious desk! ;D

Peace & Luv, Liz

Where'd you get my desk?? :o

Kidding, though it is remarkably similar to my old desk. ;)
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: dew7 on April 09, 2004, 06:39:25 PM
  Update Windows 98, 98SE, ME --- set to expire on 30 June 2006 ---- looks like you will have to type it in manually

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;[LN];LifeAn1
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on April 10, 2004, 10:29:05 AM
looks like you will have to type it in manually
Just select the entire url-line, copy it to your clipboard, open a new browser window and paste it in the address bar. No manual typing is needed. ;D
Anyway, why this post ???
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: dew7 on April 10, 2004, 12:34:16 PM
   I did that and it did not work with this url.  I wanted the users of 98, 98SE and ME to be aware that the lifeline of their operating systems and components are set to expire on 30 June 2006.  Some people think that support is already up when it is not --- it may be on life-support but the support is still there and free for hotfixes and security issues of 98, 98SE and ME.  Have a great and blessed day, Copycat --  :D
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on April 10, 2004, 03:06:25 PM
I did that and it did not work with this url.
I see now what's the problem with this url, and that's the ] in the url, making the tag think the url has ended. Anyway, the selecting, copying and pasting did work with me. 8)
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Yonkey on April 10, 2004, 03:07:39 PM
It's the square brackets that's screwing it up.  ;D
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Jeysie on April 10, 2004, 03:28:03 PM
If you want to properly fix a URL, just wrap it in the [url ][/ url] tags. (Without the spaces, of course.)

Peace & Luv, Liz
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Yonkey on April 10, 2004, 03:30:54 PM
Yeah, I tried it, but it still screwed up even with that method.  It's the square brackets in the url that are doing it.  And the ;] that appears doesn't help either. ::)
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on April 10, 2004, 03:38:20 PM
If you want to properly fix a URL, just wrap it in the [url ][/ url] tags. (Without the spaces, of course.)
You try it then. I did it that way too, and it didn't work. :-\
Like I said, it's the ] (and I can't use single quotes because then it would like like Yonkey's smiley).
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Jeysie on April 10, 2004, 04:01:10 PM
OK, just checking. Sorry. :-[

Peace & Luv, Liz
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on April 10, 2004, 04:16:49 PM
OK, just checking. Sorry. :-[
I figured maybe you had some hidden trick up your sleeve with which it could work, but clearly not. Oh well, back to the selecting, copying & pasting then. ;)

EDIT (By Yonkey): Quote tag was touching smiley.. forum got screwed up.  XD
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Yonkey on April 11, 2004, 07:13:18 PM
I think she meant the website url.  Like %2B is a space and so on.  ;D
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: dew7 on April 11, 2004, 10:09:27 PM
   What PC do you plan to buy next or will you upgrade your system.  Will you stick with Windows 98SE, XP, 2000 or go the Linux or Apple route?
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: dew7 on April 12, 2004, 06:22:25 PM
Anyone out there?
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: etgadsby on April 12, 2004, 08:11:27 PM
Just build an XP box, the PC’s still fairly new. My next new computer will be a G5 (to replace my PowerBook) but it won’t be for a year yet.  As I said my goal is diversity (though I’m a Mac head at heart) not necessarily finding the best one… each is good for the right thing…
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on April 13, 2004, 02:00:37 PM
What PC do you plan to buy next or will you upgrade your system.  Will you stick with Windows 98SE, XP, 2000 or go the Linux or Apple route?
Can't stick with 98SE, cause I don't have it. Won't do 2000, because that's no good for playing games. Won't do Apple, because I don't think it's any use. Am now dual-booting XP and Linux, but only XP is fully operational (although it tends to reboot quite a lot).
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: dew7 on April 13, 2004, 10:06:09 PM
   So Copycat, how have you found the dual-boot experience as compared to having just one operating system on your computer?  I am considering XP Pro. on my system with 98SE in order to have the latest hardware support.
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on April 14, 2004, 01:44:22 PM
So Copycat, how have you found the dual-boot experience as compared to having just one operating system on your computer?  I am considering XP Pro. on my system with 98SE in order to have the latest hardware support.
Well, seeing as how Linux isn't fully operational at the moment, it's nice to see I can still use the other OS. 8)
Anyway, once Linux is working properly, I'll be booting in Linux much more than in Windows, particularly at first since I'll be checking how much of my software (games) actually can run in Linux (Wine probably).
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Storm on April 14, 2004, 04:29:17 PM
  What PC do you plan to buy next or will you upgrade your system.  Will you stick with Windows 98SE, XP, 2000 or go the Linux or Apple route?

My next upgrade is so far away I can't even see it  :-\
By the time I get to upgrade there would probably be better things to upgrade to ;)

As for OS, I'd probably go for a dual-boot, Win98 and Linux or XP :)
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: etgadsby on April 14, 2004, 07:38:49 PM
Oh, and i want one of those cool Robotic dogs (http://www.sony.net/Products/aibo/) and an iPod (http://www.apple.com/itunes/)... I guess their not strictly PC's but I drool anyway...  <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: dew7 on April 14, 2004, 11:20:39 PM
Storm make sure it is 98SE and limitations as follows:

1.  Max hard disk of 137 gigabytes
2.  No hyper-threading
3.  Ram limit of 1-1.5 gigabytes

Have fun :>
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on April 15, 2004, 02:17:36 PM
Storm make sure it is 98SE and limitations as follows:

1.  Max hard disk of 137 gigabytes
What happens if you've got two disks, whose combined size is more than 137 Gb? Does that mean you can't (STRIPE-)RAID-0 them?
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Storm on April 15, 2004, 08:05:08 PM
Storm make sure it is 98SE and limitations as follows:

1.  Max hard disk of 137 gigabytes
2.  No hyper-threading
3.  Ram limit of 1-1.5 gigabytes

Have fun :>

1 & 3 are not a problem... don't think I'll ever need or could afford anything that big  ::)

As for hyper-threading - I have no idea what that is  :-[
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: B'rrr on April 16, 2004, 01:41:18 AM
hmmm... found a post of mine

...perhaps 'll post one if I can get my hands on a camara ; ) ...I'll try tomorrow ; /

i finally took time to take a pic of my 'work place' at home ; )

Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Storm on April 16, 2004, 12:53:11 PM
Nice workplace! very tidy  ;)
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: B'rrr on April 16, 2004, 03:23:28 PM
lol!, thanx i guess ; ) ...i always keep it clean ; )
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on April 16, 2004, 05:09:52 PM
As for hyper-threading - I have no idea what that is  :-[
A new function in the new Pentium-processor. 8)
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Storm on April 16, 2004, 07:44:00 PM
As for hyper-threading - I have no idea what that is  :-[
A new function in the new Pentium-processor. 8)

Which does what, exactly? ???
Will I still be able to use Win98 with a processor which has that function?
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: etgadsby on April 16, 2004, 09:33:39 PM
For more information on Hyper-Threading Technology check out Intel’s web site: http://www.intel.com/technology/hyperthread/

If you look at their page you’ll see Hyper-Threading Technology is rather technical but here’s the basics. The processor is optimized for better performance (similar to Motorola's /Apple’s AltiVec) .  The practical upshot is that even though your PC has one processor the OS will see it as two, or so I’m told. My PC doesn’t support it.  It’s really designed for Windows XP, and many Linux distributions.

According to Intel, Windows 98 is not compatible with Hyper-Threading:
http://www.intel.com/support/platform/ht/os.htm!

All the same you can be turned off in the bios. You can usably do this by pressing F12 or esc during boot-up.  When you PC’s boots watch carefully and the message “press “x” key for set-up” or something like that will come up. If you hit that key before Windows boots you’ll enter some screens where you can turn H-T off and set many other basic computer settings. Check your PC or motherboard’s manual for specifics…

As I’ve found H-T is in PC’s faster then 2.4 GHZ.  As both the higher speeds and the H-T technology isn’t designed for Windows 98 then I wouldn’t get it simply to save the money!
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Storm on April 17, 2004, 12:37:15 PM
As long as I could still use Win98, I don't mind it  :)

Not that I'll be upgrading to something like that anytime soon  :-[
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on April 17, 2004, 03:34:44 PM
If you hit that key before Windows boots you’ll enter some screens where you can turn H-T off and set many other basic computer settings. Check your PC or motherboard’s manual for specifics…

In any case it should be: hit that key as fast as you can when the pc starts up. In my case, I can't wait until Windows boots, because that's too late. 8)
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: etgadsby on April 17, 2004, 03:57:06 PM
Quite right... as long as you hit it before Windows/Linux boots. When I encounter a new PC I've never worked with I tend to have to boot it twice, once to see what key they want (etc, F12, F8, whatever) and then a second time to do it...
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Storm on April 17, 2004, 05:29:54 PM
Quite right... as long as you hit it before Windows/Linux boots. When I encounter a new PC I've never worked with I tend to have to boot it twice, once to see what key they want (etc, F12, F8, whatever) and then a second time to do it...

For me it's "Del" for bios setup. The F's are for Windows start-up, and I can never remember which does what... so it's a couple of boots of guessing and trying to press them in time before I get it right  :P
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on April 18, 2004, 09:20:59 AM
For me it's "Del" for bios setup. The F's are for Windows start-up, and I can never remember which does what... so it's a couple of boots of guessing and trying to press them in time before I get it right  :P
Yeah, usually the F-s are reserved for the different Windows startup sequences (like 'Safe mode' and such). Anyway, usually I have a manual of the MB with every (new) pc I get, so if the key to access the BIOS is not shown on the screen, I look it up in that manual. 8)
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Storm on April 18, 2004, 09:36:12 AM
I'm sure I had a motherboard manual somewhere... but I've never used it so I have no idea where it is  :-[
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on April 18, 2004, 10:23:10 AM
I'm sure I had a motherboard manual somewhere... but I've never used it so I have no idea where it is  :-[
That's why I keep the MB-boxes. ;D
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: etgadsby on April 18, 2004, 11:13:09 AM
Don't fret, if you watch closely the PC will tell you what key to press, you may have restart it again once you know what key is the "magic one". Might be worth writing down if you think you'll need to enter the BIOS often. As I do it so seldom and work with some many PC's I never remember...

Keeping Mobo boxes is a good idea (or at least any documents that came with it) but remember for the most part you can find the documentation and info online as long as you know what kind of mobo it is and what company it's from.

NOTE: Many manufactures will periodically release updates to the bios software if you have occasion to visit a their site make sure don't need to download a patch. BIOS patches are usually installed via a little Windows app or boot-able disk that will install the new BIOS info and redstart the PC for you.
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on April 18, 2004, 12:00:56 PM
NOTE: Many manufactures will periodically release updates to the bios software if you have occasion to visit a their site make sure don't need to download a patch. BIOS patches are usually installed via a little Windows app or boot-able disk that will install the new BIOS info and redstart the PC for you.
WARNING: flashing a BIOS or EPROM can be dangerous.
Anyway, the only thing I ever flashed was a modem, because there was a new communication standard. Never flashed mobo's, because I never needed to. I stick by my rule: 'if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it'.
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Yonkey on April 18, 2004, 12:22:22 PM
I've flashed my bios once or twice (can't remember).  I did it because the update made it able to support a faster cpu (which I was about to install).  But cc's right, because of the risk involved, it's not one of those things people should do very often unless really necessary.
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: etgadsby on April 18, 2004, 01:09:53 PM
Quite right, a quick amendment: if you find yourself on your mobo manufacture's site for another reason look to see if they've posted updates to the BIOS and why. Their may be a good reason to do it, their many not, or an update may not apply to your PC... proceed with caution but be informed about what updates they can offer for you.  :)
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: dew7 on April 19, 2004, 11:02:35 AM
   If I can save enough money, I hope to update to an Intel Pentium IV from a P-III 450 mhz.
This will require a new motherboard
In the meantime I may update my ram to 512 mb's from 256 mb's from Crucial.com
I hope to have enough for a new power supply, new ram and Windows XP Professional to allow for a dual-boot
You can run Windows 98SE in processors faster than 2.1 Ghz --- the patch applies only to 98 first edition
If you have two hard disks and each is 137 gigabytes or less than you have support, Copycat
Copycat -- your system probably constantly reboots due to power problems or Windows XP's equivalent of the blue screen of death -- instead of showing this blue screen the operating system will reboot instead -- Microsoft has found this to be easier on their users, apparently  Have a great day!
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on April 20, 2004, 01:54:37 PM
Copycat -- your system probably constantly reboots due to power problems or Windows XP's equivalent of the blue screen of death -- instead of showing this blue screen the operating system will reboot instead -- Microsoft has found this to be easier on their users, apparently  Have a great day!
Not constantly, regularly, there's a big difference in those words. Besides, I have more problems with crashing programs than crashing windows. 8) Power problems would surprise me, since I specifically asked for a power supply powerful enough for this pc and even with a bit of extra reserve. When it (the pc) does reboot, it's always after a BSOD, it's not on long enough for me to read everything it says, but it's definitely a BSOD.
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: dew7 on April 21, 2004, 03:22:11 AM
Do you think you will back everything up, format and reinstall?  That is what I just did and am in the process of updating everything again.  Time consuming yes -- but worth it -- definately    ;)
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on April 21, 2004, 01:39:37 PM
Do you think you will back everything up, format and reinstall?  That is what I just did and am in the process of updating everything again.  Time consuming yes -- but worth it -- definately    ;)
It's what I have done, numberous times, in the past, and what I will continue to do when the need arises.  But, at the moment I see nu apparant reason to do such a thing, on either pc. Just because it's rather time-consuming, I don't want to over-do it.
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: dew7 on April 22, 2004, 01:46:58 AM
Nice point!
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on April 22, 2004, 02:02:53 PM
Nice point!
On occasion, I've been known to make nice points, yes, particularly in the bookkeeping and the I(C)T-field. 8)
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: dew7 on April 28, 2004, 11:43:46 AM
Copycat, can you scanreg/fix/opt with Windows 95 from MS-DOS like you can in 98SE?
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on April 29, 2004, 03:04:07 PM
Copycat, can you scanreg/fix/opt with Windows 95 from MS-DOS like you can in 98SE?
Do I need to try that in clean DOS? Because, when I do it from the DOS-prompt it says 'command or filename is incorrect'. :-\
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: dew7 on April 29, 2004, 07:16:06 PM
1. reboot in MS-DOS
2. smartdrv
3. scanreg/fix/opt
4. reboot

This works in my 98SE and it fixes and optimizes the registry.  Does it work in your 95 or XP system?
BTW, I setup an XP Home computer system for a client and I found out that there is an option that you can uncheck that will prevent your XP Home system from rebooting.  See if you can find it.  If not, post back here for help.
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Yonkey on April 30, 2004, 07:21:43 AM
'scanreg' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.  XD

Guess it doesn't exist in XP :P

Yeah, I think I mentioned to cc before that you can disable the automatic rebooting.  Unfortunately you can't resume where you left off when you get a "stop error" (XP's BSOD), so you have no other choice than to reboot manually.  ;D
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: dew7 on April 30, 2004, 10:17:54 AM
So in this way, 98 Second Edition is superior because although in some Blue Screens of Death there is no recovery and you must reboot the computer, I have had some blue screens of death where I just press the spacebar and Windows 98 Second Edition resumes except without that error prone program of course.  Sorry for the run-on sentence -- this is just so exciting and interesting to me.   !!!   :D   ;-D
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Yonkey on April 30, 2004, 10:47:25 AM
Yup, but I used to get a lot more blue screens with Win98 than with XP.  ;D  Also, you can end processes (tasks) in 2k/XP without resulting in a freeze or blue screen, but the same isn't always true in Win9x.  In fact, whenever explorer.exe crashed in Win9x, my systray icons would always vanish!  >:( That was the most annoying thing about "crash recoveries" in Win9x.
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: racx_00 on April 30, 2004, 06:12:03 PM
With 98se the blue screen always comes up when explorer.exe crashes >:(, and the systray icons always disappear >:(

BTW does anyone know what an IO Error is ???
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: dew7 on April 30, 2004, 08:20:35 PM
It has been a long time but I finally got a blue screen of death that I could not recover from.  The error is due to my HP 3820 not being installed properly.  I must reinstall it and the problem will go away.  It was fun, I had Outlook Express open, Internet Explorer open with three windows, other stuff open and finally trying to print two documents at once.  I finally was able to make my 98SE system and have an unrecoverable BSOD.  It is almost nice to see these when you never get them anymore.  I was trying to do so many things because I was in a rush and I have learned that never works.  LOL  :D   !!!   ;-D   :suffer:  :>   ;)
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on May 01, 2004, 02:43:39 PM
BTW does anyone know what an IO Error is ???
Nope, but I got a better one: 'IRQ_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL'.
It's been a long time since I got my last BSOD in Win95, but that's probably because it's only used to send an receive e-mail, and a bit of Opera-surfing (to links mentioned in e-mails). 8)
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: dew7 on May 01, 2004, 11:53:22 PM
Who manufactured your PC, CopyCat.  My PC was made by Falcon-Northwest computer systems.
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on May 02, 2004, 01:49:29 PM
Who manufactured your PC, CopyCat.  My PC was made by Falcon-Northwest computer systems.
;D Boom Bob ;D
Seriously, no kidding, it's a custom-made pc.
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: B'rrr on May 02, 2004, 07:04:07 PM
BTW does anyone know what an IO Error is ???

IO = Input/output ...hope that helps ; )
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on May 04, 2004, 02:05:34 PM
IO = Input/output ...hope that helps ; )
I thought about that too, but how can input/output create an error? :o
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Oldbushie on May 04, 2004, 02:34:05 PM
When input/output is faulty of course. ;) Or sometimes a cd runs too fast for an old program, so the input comes in too much.
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: B'rrr on May 04, 2004, 05:27:12 PM
yeah I/O errors are thrown when hardware is causing twouble... so mouse/keyboard/etc, unless it is specified it can be a number of things...
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Say on May 05, 2004, 04:14:53 AM
Who manufactured your PC, CopyCat.  My PC was made by Falcon-Northwest computer systems.
;D Boom Bob ;D
Seriously, no kidding, it's a custom-made pc.

"Boom Bob"?!!? hahaha bob :D <3

Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on May 05, 2004, 01:35:13 PM
"Boom Bob"?!!? hahaha bob :D <3
Yes, another bob. And, ofcourse, 'Boom' is not pronounced the English way, but the Flemish way. 8)
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: dew7 on May 05, 2004, 09:17:51 PM
Did you build your pc yourself, Copycat and did you use good components?  Was it expensive?  Thanks for the information.
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on May 06, 2004, 02:00:26 PM
Did you build your pc yourself, Copycat and did you use good components?  Was it expensive?  Thanks for the information.
No, my surname isn't 'Boom', although it could also be 'Boons'. I still haven't got an official invoice of this pc, although it was promised to be sent to me asap, that's why I'm not sure about the last letter(s) of the surname. :-\
The assembly cost 20 €, so I'm not risking building such a powerful machine myself. ;]
I already listed the components somewhere in a pc-related thread, so I'm not doing that again. However, since quality was my first concern, and not the price, I should think the components are of a good quality. It all depends on what you consider to be expensive. If I combine the price of the pc and the one of the LCD-monitor, I'm still 500 € cheaper off than I was in 1998. 8)
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: dew7 on May 07, 2004, 12:52:49 AM
You may get the latest PC and a week later it is considered a dated machine.   :(
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on May 07, 2004, 03:36:55 PM
You may get the latest PC and a week later it is considered a dated machine.   :(
Oh, I know, this pc is already ancient history. :-\
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: dew7 on May 09, 2004, 04:18:37 PM
As a PIII 450 mhz. my PC could be considered pretty darn old.  I am saving my funds to update it soon.  :>
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: B'rrr on May 09, 2004, 05:14:51 PM
I figured out that it would be no more expensive to assamble my own new pc then to upgrade my old one (cuz everythng needs to be upgraded ; )
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: dew7 on May 10, 2004, 01:05:36 AM
How old is your pc?
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: B'rrr on May 10, 2004, 06:26:16 AM
4 years  :o :o :o ...luckily my laptop is only 1.5 years old... I use that one instead, ...mostly
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Yonkey on May 10, 2004, 08:13:39 PM
That's hard to say, but going strictly by CPU:
- the one I'm using right now is about 6 years old
- the one I was using before is probably 4-5; and
- my sister's is 3

;D
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: dew7 on May 12, 2004, 02:40:35 AM
I guess some PC's were built to last -- I still have my old IBM PCjr and it runs well.  This PC taught me Basic programming with help from my dad of course.  :>  It is now in storage but I may soon pull it out to relive old times and old memories.  LOL   ;D   :D   :)
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Yonkey on May 12, 2004, 09:12:27 AM
Yikes, that must be as old as me. :o  20 years?  22?  XD
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: dew7 on May 12, 2004, 09:48:43 PM
My IBM PCjr is 21 years old -- :>
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Yonkey on May 12, 2004, 11:08:21 PM
I'll be 21 for three more days.  8)
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on May 14, 2004, 05:27:57 PM
I figured out that it would be no more expensive to assamble my own new pc then to upgrade my old one (cuz everythng needs to be upgraded ; )
In some cases it's even cheaper to buy a new pc than to upgrade. I also bought a new pc because upgrading the older one was out of the question. Ofcourse, that's because it's more than 5 years old (not the CD-writer, nor the CD-player, nor the video card, or the network card, but all the important parts are).
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: dew7 on May 14, 2004, 10:43:22 PM
Yeah! I have found buying a new machine is cheaper but sometimes it is more fun to upgrade an old machine that you have spent so much time in configuring even if it costs a little more.  That is why I plan to upgrade my Falcon Nortwest Mach V machine because it was super expensive to begin with and it is easy to upgrade the machine.
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Yonkey on May 14, 2004, 10:50:59 PM
That's true.  It's cheaper to buy new than to upgrade piece by piece.  But most of the time people don't upgrade every part of their PC at one time.  So instead of a one-time fee of x dollars, upgrading is more like a fee of (x+y dollars) / number of years it takes to finally upgrade the whole system.  Oh yeah: x,y > 0.  XD
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: B'rrr on May 15, 2004, 04:14:44 PM
Neil you forgot the interest rate  ;-D ; )
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Yonkey on May 15, 2004, 05:22:34 PM
lol, well I usually pay by debit card (not credit card) so I never pay interest.  :)
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Grundy on May 19, 2004, 01:57:11 AM
I've built 3 new computers in the last year... all High-end Athlons... I'm expecting the aprts for a new one next week.

Computer specs don't really worry me, it's monitor size that counts! ( 19" LCD mmmmmm....  :lovegoggles: )
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Kimmie on May 19, 2004, 02:50:05 AM
i just thought i would say...

my computer has a virus, it wont behave, i dont know whats wrong and i hav no money to get it fixed, big pooooo  :(

stupid evil people who want to send virus's around, what is the point  >:(  :'(
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Yonkey on May 19, 2004, 08:01:33 AM
Awww that sucks Kimmie.  :-\  If you know the name of the virus, you can go to http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/tools.list.html and download the specific virus removal tool for that particular virus.  :)  They're free too!  :D
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: dew7 on May 20, 2004, 01:14:55 AM
 Louisiana Night
P.S. I think the win9x OSs are going to get viruses, no matter what you do. That's one of the reasons I prefer Linux. What OS are you using?

I highly disagree with that statement.  As an unofficial 9x representative, I have to defend my 98SE operating system.  Hackers are interested in the latest and greatest operating systems.  98SE has been battle tested and has won through Microsoft's help.  Blaster and Sasser only affect the NT source code which is in need of a critical overhaul.  Thus, we have Microsoft working on XP SP2 which hopefully will protect PC users.  In the meantime, I will be sitting pretty in my 98SE machine which is protected by HOSTS, Hardware and Software Firewalls, AntiVir -- Antivirus, anti-spyware programs such as PestPatrol, SpywareBlaster, Spybot Search and Destroy, Spysweeper, etc.  Also, I continually am working on dead ends where if the hacker manages to get into the system then they will be directed to a .txt file which contains opporpriate cuss words directed at them.  These cuss words have even been encrypted to make them think they found something. LOL  Now if only I can develop a way to start shutting down hacker's machines then I will really be pleased.  I propose a network of computers that will work together and once hack attempts are directed to one of these machines from another machine then all of these machines can work in tandem to shut the user's machine down.  If this machine happens to be an innocent victim then I am truely sorry but we as a community must do something to protect our PCs which I feel belong to us and not the marketplace because we PAID for them.  JUST MY TWO CENTS.   ;D
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Louisiana Night on May 20, 2004, 03:26:12 PM
I apologize if I have offended you. I think I was too hasty, with that comment. I was just trying to say that the WinNT/2000/XP line is far better, as far as protection against hackers. The Win9x line was never meant to have high security.

I see your point about the hackers attacking the XP line instead. One of the reasons that Linux gets fewer viruses than Windows is because fewer people use it.

P.S. Win98SE is my favorite Windows operating system, I'm using it right now.
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on May 23, 2004, 02:11:37 PM
Kimmie, I'd use somthing like Norton,
I've heard Norton AV 2004 slows down your computer speed to 50 % :o so I wouldn't recommend that one. :-(

P.S. I think the win9x OSs are going to get viruses, no matter what you do. That's one of the reasons I prefer Linux. What OS are you using?
The more Linux becomes popular, the more viruses will be made targeting Linux, no doubt about it. Anyway, I can spot virus-mails from miles away (sort of speak), but my curiosity always gets the better of me and I download the attachment to see which virus it is.). Nevertheless, I have never been infected (AFAIK, and since nobody has alterted me to that fact I suppos that's correct) and, unless I become insane irl, will never be. I'm using Win95 OSR2(mail) and Win XP Home (everything else). My plan is to move the mail to Linux but I've yet to install a distribution that has a boatloader that will work. :-\
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Jeysie on May 23, 2004, 03:20:01 PM
Kimmie, I'd use somthing like Norton,
I've heard Norton AV 2004 slows down your computer speed to 50 % :o so I wouldn't recommend that one. :-(

I use NOD32 (http://www.nod32.com/) myself... same pricing, features, and functionality as McAfee, Norton, etc., but uses a LOT less hard disk space, RAM, resources, etc.

Peace & Luv, Liz
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Louisiana Night on May 23, 2004, 07:02:47 PM
The reason I named Norton, is because they update regularly, they aren't going out of business anytime soon, and I've actually used it. I wouldn't want to recommend something I haven't used. I probably should have mentioned the speed problem, but it's one of the best at what it does, stopping viruses.
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Say on May 23, 2004, 07:27:15 PM
Kimmie, I'd use somthing like Norton,
I've heard Norton AV 2004 slows down your computer speed to 50 % :o so I wouldn't recommend that one. :-(

Indeed, I have it... and I must use it like whenever I go to sleep, or eat go make coffee, or watch tv and not use ANYTHING else, my pc per se is annoying and slow, with Norton on, its like... forever... :P

Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Louisiana Night on May 23, 2004, 07:32:42 PM
I've got to stop giving advice  :-X

at least on things that cost money.
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Louisiana Night on May 23, 2004, 08:54:48 PM
I dual boot.  ;D
I think you might could run 3DsMAX in Linux, with programs like WINE. Although I doubt it would work well enough that you'd be happy with it. I do very little 3Dmodeling, so I'll just talk about games(since they're the results of 3DsMAX). I play most, if not all, of my PSX games in Linux. I've also played games like Warcraft3, Deus Ex, and Jazz Jackrabbit2 on it(it will run newer games). You could also run (I forgot the name), it lets you run Linux inside Windows!
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Grundy on May 23, 2004, 09:25:03 PM
Because of the complexity and pure power of a program like 3D Studio Max, it wont run effectively if at all in emulators like WINE.
( I've considered and tried this option before. )
Max is programmed to run on the NT core kernel, and WINE just can't come close to that sort of power.
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Yonkey on May 23, 2004, 09:28:14 PM
I was gonna say something about this, but wasn't completely sure if it was true.  Looks like it is! XD  

An emulator never has good hardware support, basically it acts as a facade to your machine so the hardware thinks it's running on a different operating system.  For something as hardware-intensive as 3D Studio Max, I wouldn't expect it to run smoothly or even at all in WINE.  ;D
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Louisiana Night on May 23, 2004, 10:03:26 PM
I'm almost completely sure you could find an emulator/program to run it, if just barely. I was aware of the problems involved. That's why I said it probably wouldn't work at the level you would require. That's also why I mentioned, or tryed to anyways, the ability to run Linux inside Windows(If I could just remember that name!).

Also, you could use Trios(hardware), to use multiple OSs. After you hook it up(you need at least 2 hardrives), you just click a button(before you push the power button). It's not quite that simple, but it's close.

Trios (http://www.technoyard.com/hardware/miscellaneous/Trios/page_1.html)

P.S. Compatibility is the reason I dual boot.
Nevermind, I think the company might have gone out of business.
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: dew7 on May 24, 2004, 10:05:32 AM
Thanks Night for your latest comments about 98SE.   !!!  I think that Windows XP (Home + Pro.) are first, next Windows 2000 and finally in third place 98 and 98SE.  :>  It looks like there might be some hope for the 9x code.  Finally, I would avoid Norton and use other products because Norton is a HUGE SYSTEM RESOURCE HOG. LOL  ;)   ;D   :suffer:
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Oldbushie on May 26, 2004, 12:49:57 PM
I use passive resistance like Spybot Search and Destroy and I just do weekly scans manually. My last virus was 200 days ago anyway so that must mean that I'm very careful. I only have 9 programs that always have to run on my machine, including invisible Windows apps. ;D
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: copycat on May 28, 2004, 05:07:45 PM
Last viruses I had were only a few weeks ago, but that was because a site company with a mailing list was being used to send out virusmails. Once they noticed that they shut down their computers and the virusflood stopped. Before that, it's been ages since I got a virus. The strange thing is: the last few viruses I got always came from/through a mailing list. Ofcourse, I know when I get a virus, so I []never[/b] execute them, I only save them to disk to see whether or not my AV-program can detect it.
When I ran Ad-Aware a while back it only found one Alexa-reference in my registry, and that probably only works in IE, which I only (have to) use for XP updates.
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Jeysie on May 28, 2004, 09:04:05 PM
I get viruses on a semi-regular basis. My virus scanner always detects them the instant it sees the attachment, though. 8) Even if it didn't, all the viruses seem to come from spammers... I don't have *that* many people who have a legit need to possess my e-mail address. :P So I'd delete the files anyway. I know who usually sends me files and what sort of files, so I'm not fooled by faked e-mails.

Peace & Luv, Liz
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: B'rrr on May 29, 2004, 07:15:36 AM
I never get virusses.... o wait, perhaps i get them but i don't know ; ) ...I so need a virusscanner ; )

actually I never got a noticable virus... yet (and I'd like to keep it that way ; )
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Storm on May 29, 2004, 07:05:51 PM
I never got a virus by mail. That is, the hotmail virus scan never found a virus in any of the attachments. I still delete attachments if I don't know the sender though 8)
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: dew7 on May 30, 2004, 02:29:01 AM
I read my e-mails in plain text so that people cannot run html code that could secretly damage my computer or at least let the sender know that I opened their e-mail.
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: dew7 on June 01, 2004, 12:26:59 PM
Hey I just had a thought that with the amount of computer threads that are in this discussion I think it warrants a whole category and move these posts to that and this category will just deal with computers.  What does everyone think and most especially the team members who have the power to do this and the ultimate decision lies in their hands.  LOL  !!!   ;D
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Jeysie on June 01, 2004, 04:41:07 PM
Personally, I would *merge* all the computer threads, honestly, since most of them cover the same ground. There's no need to have so many threads, IMHO.

Peace & Luv, Liz
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: B'rrr on June 01, 2004, 04:50:20 PM
perhaps, ...but most threads are talking about different subjects. anyway there are old computer threads where everyting seem to be said and kinda closed themself.

so there aren't that much active computer threads. merging all computer related conversation in one thread would limit the different subjects to talk about (cuz generaly speaking one will be more dominant)
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Storm on June 01, 2004, 06:34:17 PM
I don't think there should be a seperate category for computer threads.

First of all, there aren't THAT many of them.

Secondly, most threads on this topic eventually boil down to comparing/talking about software/hardware (even if it's not related to the thread's original topic) so merging at least some of them wouldn't make the discussion less diverse.

Thirdly (which is the most important), this is a KQ9 forum, not a tech support/discussion forum. This means only the topics related (or at least slightly related) to KQ9 get a category, and all other threads get the off-topic section 8)
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: Yonkey on June 01, 2004, 11:01:54 PM
Heh, I was considering merging all the computer threads together at one point.  But there are threads that talk about different things, so merging them would make everything pretty hard to read.  

I think if they were split and merged, it might work.  But still, since they're all in the Off Topic forum and not all over the rest of the place, I don't really mind much.  8)
Title: Re:PCs
Post by: dew7 on June 02, 2004, 10:47:47 PM
So the consensus is that it stays the way it is, I guess.