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Title: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: dark-daventry on September 18, 2010, 04:36:59 PM
Ok, so the name is cheesy, but the general idea of this thread is to document and discuss all the different ways for Graham to die in episode 2. It's best to use Spoiler Tags too, if you don't mind. If someone wants help on how to make graham die a certain way, this thread is the place. So please, document away!
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: tessspoon on September 18, 2010, 04:55:06 PM
First accidental death! XD

W00T! Which one was it! (In spoiler tags, if you please)
Touching the spider in the Four Winds shack, accidentally used the hand instead of talk XD
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: dark-daventry on September 18, 2010, 04:56:30 PM
First accidental death! XD

W00T! Which one was it! (In spoiler tags, if you please)
Touching the spider in the Four Winds shack, accidentally used the hand instead of talk XD

XD OMG I LOVED THAT ONE! Yeah, I think that was actually mine too, come to think of it...
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: kindofdoon on September 18, 2010, 05:17:43 PM
Great thread idea. Contributing:

drowning

touching the IoW key
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: FFL2and3rocks on September 18, 2010, 07:27:32 PM
This is more of an easter egg than an actual death, but...

Click the hand icon on the ocean at the Isle of Wonder (this isn't the drowning death).

The death message goes away on its own and you can continue the game, but if you click Quit before it disappears (and then say no when that "are you sure you want to quit" box appears), the death message won't go away like it should.

Anyway, I highly suggest viewing this, it's hilarious.
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: kindofdoon on September 18, 2010, 07:28:12 PM
Lol, that was a rather funny easter egg. It was cool hearing all the developers talk.
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: KatieHal on September 18, 2010, 07:34:41 PM
Hee! I love that one :)
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: dark-daventry on September 18, 2010, 07:37:49 PM
This is more of an easter egg than an actual death, but...

Click the hand icon on the ocean at the Isle of Wonder (this isn't the drowning death).

The death message goes away on its own and you can continue the game, but if you click Quit before it disappears (and then say no when that "are you sure you want to quit" box appears), the death message won't go away like it should.

Anyway, I highly suggest viewing this, it's hilarious.

That is my favorite moment of the ENTIRE episode! I want to get my voice in TSL sometime now...
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: tessspoon on September 18, 2010, 07:55:29 PM
This is more of an easter egg than an actual death, but...

Click the hand icon on the ocean at the Isle of Wonder (this isn't the drowning death).

The death message goes away on its own and you can continue the game, but if you click Quit before it disappears (and then say no when that "are you sure you want to quit" box appears), the death message won't go away like it should.

Anyway, I highly suggest viewing this, it's hilarious.
XD XD XD
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: kindofdoon on September 18, 2010, 07:56:08 PM
You could of course just edit the system's conversation and audio files to forcibly insert yourself into the game...
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: dark-daventry on September 18, 2010, 07:59:47 PM
You could of course just edit the system's conversation and audio files to forcibly insert yourself into the game...

Yeah, but that's not as fun. And I don't actually know HOW to do that lol... And then I'd have to crash the website, upload the "new" version and pretend I didn't do anything... It's just not as fun.
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: kindofdoon on September 18, 2010, 08:11:25 PM
I could explain in a PM, if you want.
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: dark-daventry on September 18, 2010, 08:15:02 PM
No need. I was just joking about the whole thing...

WAIT... Explain what? How to mod the game, or how to crash the site... I've got my eye on you, doon...
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: kindofdoon on September 18, 2010, 08:24:41 PM
XD If you change your mind, just ask, and I'd be happy to explain.
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: dark-daventry on September 18, 2010, 08:26:49 PM
XD If you change your mind, just ask, and I'd be happy to explain.

No, it's alright. I'll just go fly to Cez's house and keep bugging him till he gives in XB
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: kindofdoon on September 18, 2010, 08:28:11 PM
Right then, I'll join you.
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: dark-daventry on September 18, 2010, 08:29:58 PM
Right then, I'll join you.

What, you want to get your voice in TSL too? You buy the plane tickets. XB
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: kindofdoon on September 18, 2010, 08:31:00 PM
Worth it!
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: FFL2and3rocks on September 18, 2010, 08:40:06 PM
Found another death!

After fishing in the ocean, tell Hassan you're ready to leave without giving the nymphs what they want first.
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: tessspoon on September 18, 2010, 08:42:37 PM
Found another death!

After fishing in the ocean, tell Hassan you're ready to leave without giving the nymphs what they want first.

XD I so intentionally did that one, after seeing it in the trailer. That one was great!
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: kindofdoon on September 18, 2010, 08:44:04 PM
Same here. Forgot to mention it, though.
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: dark-daventry on September 18, 2010, 08:51:48 PM
Found another death!

After fishing in the ocean, tell Hassan you're ready to leave without giving the nymphs what they want first.

XD I so intentionally did that one, after seeing it in the trailer. That one was great!

I still need to do that one!
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: KatieHal on September 18, 2010, 09:03:17 PM
Found another death!

After fishing in the ocean, tell Hassan you're ready to leave without giving the nymphs what they want first.

that is my FAVORITE death in this episode! Possibly the whole game!
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: kindofdoon on September 18, 2010, 09:08:58 PM
Does Hassan's mate have any purpose besides accidentally killing Graham that one time?
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: Cez on September 18, 2010, 09:12:41 PM
 :suffer:
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: kindofdoon on September 18, 2010, 09:13:43 PM
:pokerface:
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: dark-daventry on September 18, 2010, 09:14:59 PM
:suffer:

Nice response lol. I was waiting for you to reply with that.

:pokerface:

Don't get down! All will be revealed in time...
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: kindofdoon on September 18, 2010, 09:15:58 PM
It's only his first mate...He can't be that important...Then again, why would he exist he didn't have a purpose...

Curse you! I must know! :bomb:
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: dark-daventry on September 18, 2010, 09:18:08 PM
It's only his first mate...He can't be that important...Then again, why would he exist he didn't have a purpose...

Curse you! I must know! :bomb:

Alright, fine. You've forced my hand. He is in fact the most important character in the game... HE'S REALLY MALICIA! MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! XB
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: KatieHal on September 18, 2010, 09:20:42 PM
:pokerface:

I LOL'd XD
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: kindofdoon on September 18, 2010, 09:24:27 PM
Haids taught me that emoticon a while ago, and I've been waiting to use it since. (I thought it was pretty funny too.)
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: dark-daventry on September 18, 2010, 09:44:46 PM
Haids taught me that emoticon a while ago, and I've been waiting to use it since. (I thought it was pretty funny too.)

That really was. It's the perfect response to :suffer:
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: daventry on September 20, 2010, 03:22:25 PM
Graham  :P :P :P

How many Deaths are there in Ep1 & Ep2 and what are they, can we expect More Deaths in the rest of the Eps.  ;D

Death by Nymphs
Death by Vines
Death by Water
Death by Spider

Would Love to stick Graham's Head in the Guillotine  :suffer:

Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: wilco64256 on September 20, 2010, 03:36:29 PM
You're missing several, get out there and play around some more.
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: kindofdoon on September 20, 2010, 03:36:43 PM
Would Love to stick Graham's Head in the Guillotine

I spent a while trying to achieve that as well. It's not really in the spirit of KQ to have such a gruesome death sequence though.
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: Fierce Deity on September 20, 2010, 03:47:38 PM
The strangest death I've seen so far is:

reaching your hand into the alcove that holds the key in the garden. Graham gets his hand stuck and perishes from lack of nourishment. Or possibly dies from boredom. I haven't exactly analyzed it yet.
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: kindofdoon on September 20, 2010, 03:50:09 PM
I remember thinking that there was some reference to the desert death in KQV in that death. Can someone get the text?
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: daventry on September 20, 2010, 03:52:12 PM
Would Love to stick Graham's Head in the Guillotine

I spent a while trying to achieve that as well. It's not really in the spirit of KQ to have such a gruesome death sequence though.
They could like make the Blade fall and right at the Moment the Screen goes Black with a Chop Sound and the Narrator saying: Loosing your Head Already Graham  :P
The strangest death I've seen so far is:

reaching your hand into the alcove that holds the key in the garden. Graham gets his hand stuck and perishes from lack of nourishment. Or possibly dies from boredom. I haven't exactly analyzed it yet.
Oh yea, i did that, cant believe i forgot to mention it  ;D
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: Jujuba on September 20, 2010, 06:15:23 PM
Would Love to stick Graham's Head in the Guillotine

I spent a while trying to achieve that as well. It's not really in the spirit of KQ to have such a gruesome death sequence though.

In KQ6 the minotaur kills Alexander ripping him in two!  :o
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: wilco64256 on September 20, 2010, 06:26:27 PM
Ya I think we've seen some far more gruesome stuff in earlier games.  Characters getting eaten by sharks or alligators, plummeting hundreds of feet to their deaths, etc.
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: Enchantermon on September 20, 2010, 07:28:17 PM
The strangest death I've seen so far is:

reaching your hand into the alcove that holds the key in the garden. Graham gets his hand stuck and perishes from lack of nourishment. Or possibly dies from boredom. I haven't exactly analyzed it yet.
I managed to avoid every death in Episode 2 (a rarity for me in adventure games) except that one. I thought
that the hole was a black purse hanging on the wall, so I didn't think twice about trying to grab it after I killed the vines. Which is why you always use the eye on things before touching them. :P
Pretty amusing death, though. :)
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: dark-daventry on September 20, 2010, 08:25:41 PM
The strangest death I've seen so far is:

reaching your hand into the alcove that holds the key in the garden. Graham gets his hand stuck and perishes from lack of nourishment. Or possibly dies from boredom. I haven't exactly analyzed it yet.
I managed to avoid every death in Episode 2 (a rarity for me in adventure games) except that one. I thought
that the hole was a black purse hanging on the wall, so I didn't think twice about trying to grab it after I killed the vines. Which is why you always use the eye on things before touching them. :P
Pretty amusing death, though. :)

Sierra is known for putting amusing deaths in their games, and I think that the whole team has done a rather excellent job of preserving that quality.
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: Enchantermon on September 20, 2010, 08:47:46 PM
Agreed!
You know, there's something that's been bothering me for a little while. At the Isle of the Sacred Mountain, Graham dives into the water and swims to the beach. In KQ6, however, if you try to walk out the same distance that he swims, you get caught in the currents and drown. What's with that?
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: kindofdoon on September 20, 2010, 08:52:58 PM
The currents in the ocean are always changing depending on the season and other meteorological factors.
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: dark-daventry on September 20, 2010, 08:57:27 PM
Agreed!
You know, there's something that's been bothering me for a little while. At the Isle of the Sacred Mountain, Graham dives into the water and swims to the beach. In KQ6, however, if you try to walk out the same distance that he swims, you get caught in the currents and drown. What's with that?

Well, several things could have changed. For one, time has passed between the two games. Perhaps the seas just didn't like Alexander that particular day? Or perhaps it was part of some ancient magic spell that was cast that anyone not given express permission from the crown would die in the water or something. It is entirely possible that Shamir made the waters unpassable for Alexander. Besides, the ferry was dry-docked (I can't actually remember why. I want to say it was because the water got too rough, but it's been quite a long time since I've actually played the game...) In any case, the explanations are numerous. Whether the game itself (or any of the promotional material) has an explanation is something I obviously can't tell you... :suffer: You'll just have to wait and see... And by that, I mean I honestly have NO idea if there's any official explanation.
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: tessspoon on September 20, 2010, 09:00:35 PM
Wasn't there a many-paged discussion about this awhile ago? :P
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: dark-daventry on September 20, 2010, 09:02:03 PM
I believe so. I just don't remember where it wandered off to...
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: Enchantermon on September 20, 2010, 09:09:27 PM
The currents in the ocean are always changing depending on the season and other meteorological factors.
Well, several things could have changed. For one, time has passed between the two games. Perhaps the seas just didn't like Alexander that particular day? Or perhaps it was part of some ancient magic spell that was cast that anyone not given express permission from the crown would die in the water or something.
Perhaps, but the only problem with that theory is that in TSL, Graham does die if he jumps off the dock on the Isle of the Crown, just like Alexander does. And if he walks into the water off the shore of the Isle of Wonder, he's also grabbed by the current and drowned.
Besides, the ferry was dry-docked (I can't actually remember why. I want to say it was because the water got too rough, but it's been quite a long time since I've actually played the game...)
That's because it became too dangerous to travel when the islands started feuding. Alhazred ordered the dry dock.
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: KatieHal on September 20, 2010, 09:56:40 PM
LOL, there was a shockingly long discussion of it before, yes. The answer is the current is as strong and swift as the plot demands. ;)
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: Enchantermon on September 20, 2010, 09:57:24 PM
Gotcha. ;)
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: kindofdoon on September 20, 2010, 09:59:30 PM
LOL, there was a shockingly long discussion of it before, yes. The answer is the current is as strong and swift as the plot demands. ;)

Haha, I like that answer.
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: dark-daventry on September 20, 2010, 10:20:26 PM
LOL, there was a shockingly long discussion of it before, yes. The answer is the current is as strong and swift as the plot demands. ;)

Haha, I like that answer.

What you said lol :P
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: Cez on September 20, 2010, 10:28:11 PM
Graham is a better swimmer!

I tell you, that Alexander was dumb....

You can't certainly blame him though. The only place where he could swim was in the chicken's water bucket!

Which reminds me... didn't he swim a ridiculously long distance in KQ3 or am I mixing my Sierra games? If he did... where the hell did he learn to swim? I can't imagine Manannan taking him for long walks on the beach :)
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: dark-daventry on September 20, 2010, 10:32:49 PM
Graham is a better swimmer!

I tell you, that Alexander was dumb....

You can't certainly blame him though. The only place where he could swim was in the chicken's water bucket!

Which reminds me... didn't he swim a ridiculously long distance in KQ3 or am I mixing my Sierra games? If he did... where the hell did he learn to swim? I can't imagine Manannan taking him for long walks on the beach :)

Well, he did sneak out frequently while Manannan went on his little excursions. Perhaps he learned how to swim in small bursts from sneaking out? Who knows...
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: Lambonius on September 20, 2010, 10:35:57 PM

Which reminds me... didn't he swim a ridiculously long distance in KQ3 or am I mixing my Sierra games? If he did... where the hell did he learn to swim? I can't imagine Manannan taking him for long walks on the beach :)

He swims ashore from the Pirate ship, but it's only a screen or two if you play it correctly and wait til "land ho" before casting the sleep spell.  :)
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: Fierce Deity on September 20, 2010, 10:37:41 PM
Which reminds me... didn't he swim a ridiculously long distance in KQ3 or am I mixing my Sierra games?

I thought he swam from the pirate ship to the nearest shore. He also was swimming from far out in the ocean if I remember correctly. Maybe he knew how to swim, but ever since he acquired his rightful place as the Prince of Daventry, he forgot how to swim. Or perhaps slave clothes are easier to swim in, than his royal getup.
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: Enchantermon on September 20, 2010, 10:38:40 PM
Not from far out; as Lambonius said, it's only one screen.
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: Fierce Deity on September 20, 2010, 10:46:40 PM
Not from far out; as Lambonius said, it's only one screen.

I believe it was two screens, and two screens are relatively larger in comparison to the few feet that he treads unto his abyssal death in KQ6.   
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: Lambonius on September 20, 2010, 10:50:14 PM
Not from far out; as Lambonius said, it's only one screen.

I believe it was two screens, and two screens are relatively larger in comparison to the few feet that he treads unto his abyssal death in KQ6.   

Not because he's a bad swimmer though.  It's pretty strongly implied in KQ6 that the Green Isles' ocean currents/rip tides are magically enhanced by Alhazared's Shamir to make them extra treacherous.  I'm content to accept that without Alhazared ordering Shamir to cause the tides to be deadly, characters like Graham are able to wade out a bit further in the water in certain areas.
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: Cez on September 20, 2010, 10:51:27 PM
I'm still wondering where and when he learned to swim :)
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: Fierce Deity on September 20, 2010, 10:54:30 PM
I'm still wondering where and when he learned to swim :)

Maybe he has an innate knack for it.
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: dark-daventry on September 20, 2010, 10:55:09 PM
He did live with a wizard. Perhaps one of the spells in his spell book is teaching you how to swim...
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: waltzdancing on September 20, 2010, 10:56:40 PM
Dang it, I was thinking that too but you beat me to it, DD
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: dark-daventry on September 20, 2010, 10:58:52 PM
Dang it, I was thinking that too but you beat me to it, DD

Sorry. I can be a fast typist sometimes...
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: waltzdancing on September 20, 2010, 11:01:27 PM
Or I just get side tracked. Happens a lot.
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: dark-daventry on September 20, 2010, 11:05:59 PM
Speaking of getting sidetracked, this thread is beginning to. I propose we try to keep this a little more on topic. I allowed it to continue for a bit to see where it would go, but I think it's time to let it get back to the deaths in TSL.
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: waltzdancing on September 20, 2010, 11:08:53 PM
Agreed. Back to the topic.
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: Jujuba on September 21, 2010, 01:46:42 PM
Ok, Check in... (EDIT!)

1 - Spider
2 - Ocean
3 - The Fake Death in the Isle of Wonder
4 - Nymphs
5 - Vines
6 - Alcove with the key

And....?
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: Fierce Deity on September 21, 2010, 01:49:33 PM
Ok, Check in...

1 - Spider
2 - Ocean
3 - The Fake Death in the Isle of Wonder
4 - Nymphs
5 - Vines
6 - Hole in the Wall

And....?

Hole-in-the Wall? Or the alcove where the key was? I had to word it carefully when I brought it up so as to not confuse others, but I just want to clarify.
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: chucklas on September 21, 2010, 03:41:37 PM

Which reminds me... didn't he swim a ridiculously long distance in KQ3 or am I mixing my Sierra games? If he did... where the hell did he learn to swim? I can't imagine Manannan taking him for long walks on the beach :)

He swims ashore from the Pirate ship, but it's only a screen or two if you play it correctly and wait til "land ho" before casting the sleep spell.  :)

You don't have to swim that one either.  You can't turn into an eagle and fly.  That way trhe shark can't get you.
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: Jujuba on September 21, 2010, 07:12:15 PM
Ok, Check in...

1 - Spider
2 - Ocean
3 - The Fake Death in the Isle of Wonder
4 - Nymphs
5 - Vines
6 - Hole in the Wall

And....?

Hole-in-the Wall? Or the alcove where the key was? I had to word it carefully when I brought it up so as to not confuse others, but I just want to clarify.

Wooops! My mistake!
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: Fierce Deity on September 21, 2010, 11:03:02 PM
Ok, Check in...

1 - Spider
2 - Ocean
3 - The Fake Death in the Isle of Wonder
4 - Nymphs
5 - Vines
6 - Hole in the Wall

And....?

Hole-in-the Wall? Or the alcove where the key was? I had to word it carefully when I brought it up so as to not confuse others, but I just want to clarify.

Wooops! My mistake!

No worries.  ;D
Title: Re: The Episode 2 Death Documentation Thread!!
Post by: Jujuba on September 22, 2010, 07:27:01 AM


No worries.  ;D

Merci!  :)

Well, but are there ONLY those deaths?