i am writing this because all i see day after day is complaints "not enough puzzles" " is the narrator the new Cedric?" " why does the narrator have personality and not a groggy 80 year old man"
"why does this0 voice actor have a lisp"?
the way i see it we are lu7cking to get anything! amy does a amazing job I for one like her brand of humor
and as a adventure game player i love a description for whatever i click on
snf as a true kings quest fan i love the nistelic backstorys and a actor has a lisp oh my someone has a condition they cant help oh my god and here i though people would be focused om the game
which by the way by deftion is a adventure game An adventure game is a computer-based game in which the player assumes the role of protagonist in an interactive story driven by exploration and puzzle-solving instead of physical challenge.The genre's focus on story as far as i am concerned Tsl does that 100 percent this game is a tribute to kings quest for those who have issues if you dont like it dont play it
Everyone should be entitled to their own opinion, so long as they conduct themselves in a respectful manner.
Quote from: The Hero on September 28, 2010, 04:49:43 PM
All this needs to Stop!!!
I am writing this because all i see day after day is complaints...
For those who have issues if you dont like it dont play it.
Well, if you don't like it - don't read it. ;)
We certainly don't want to tell people not to complain, because if something really isn't working and they can provide feedback on that in a mature and constructive way then it enables us to make fixes and improvements as we go along.
One reason why the criticism exists is to hopefully improve the game. I agree that if you don't like the story it can't change at this point, but many other aspects can. The game play between episodes 1 and 2 was much improved. Without the feedback that would not have been the case. As for the puzzles, it might delay the game a bit, but more puzzles are needed. Not that this can easily be changed. I understand how much work goes into designing a good puzzle and then the programming/testing...etc that has to be done in order to implement it. I doubt more will be added to what has already been planned, but it is a valid complaint. Just because it is being released in episodes is not an excuse for less than 10 puzzle elements in an episode. It seems the focus was on the story and not the game.
Constructive criticism is essential to the growth of a product, free or otherwise. The PC Gamer review even said that there were a lack of puzzles in the second episode. The team has taken this into account and is looking to expand on the amount of puzzles available in future episodes. There are always going to be critics out there, so there is nothing you can say or do to stop that. Tazz and Keg even pointed out that this team is actually more willing to listen to their fans than many others which lends strength to the fact that they would more willing to receive constructive criticism and feedback. Perhaps people should also mention the strong points of the game that they liked as well- that way the criticism would not seem so harsh. Tell us what you loved about the game if you haven't already.
I hope just those of us thise of us who like the game currently can have a choice on wether to use the "improvements" or not
Quote from: The Hero on September 28, 2010, 07:50:15 PM
I hope just those of us thise of us who like the game currently can have a choice on wether to use the "improvements" or not
Oh yes. Brilliant. How about an option to make Graham's pathfinding worse, or maybe switch back to his old choppy walk cycle? I know--let's remove the ability to display the game in widescreen! Or maybe we can remove some puzzles and rewrite the code to put MORE bugs back in!
yup just have to be a smart alack dont you i mean the dialog and narrations everybody comaplai9n i like it
Kitty Edit: Edited language. Please watch your language since this is a family friendly forum :cat:
Okay, guys, let's keep it civil.
As we've said many times, people are welcome to express their opinions, negative or positive, as long as they are respectful in how they do so.
The things we've chosen to improve upon based on feedback generally are things that are indeed improvements for everyone--for example, the pathfinding and the walking animation. Other things, like the short narrations and optional narrator voice (which was there from the beginning, of note), are indeed optional, and you don't need to select them if you don't want them.
I appreciate that you really like the game and want to defend it, Hero, but other people do have the right to respectfully express their opinions and offer feedback here, even if it's negative.
Am I having a crazy sense of deja vu, or is this actually an older thread with today's dates?
It really bothers me that even if i defend you guys tiy still prefer the negative feedback and that you censor me which my language is pg 13 at most so as of today i will no longer openly defend you or speak my mind
Seriously?
It's been explained to you - the TSL team embrace all manner of feedback, as long as it's constructive. By acting like a "rabid fanboy" and having a go at people who might just be saying "It's good, but I think it would be better if you ..................." makes you no better than the people who come to the forum just to hate on the project. People aren't asking you to defend the project; that's down to you, really.
Everyone's language gets censored because, as was told to you, this is a family-friendly forum. People of all ages visit here, and we don't want nasty language on the forum!
We're not saying we prefer it--positive feedback is obviously preferable! :) I'm just saying people are welcome to voice their criticisms if they do so respectfully. Without criticism, we can't improve our games--and without positive feedback, we'd be a lot less motivated to do so in the first place. Both types have their pros and cons, which why both are welcomed. But as with any post from any member, we do want people to be respectful of one another on here.
I don't know what your post said before it was edited for language, but I know Cat only does those edits for language that gets past our filters somehow. I also know she doesn't edit to take away what someone meant by whatever they said; if you feel she changed what you were trying to say by accident, let her and/or the other mods know via PM. That's the best way to handle that.
can someone retitle this id like to continue this thread
If you edit the first post of the thread with the Modify button, I think you can retitle it yourself. Not sure, though.
Quote from: Enchantermon on September 29, 2010, 12:52:13 PM
If you edit the first post of the thread with the Modify button, I think you can retitle it yourself. Not sure, though.
nope.
on most forums you can. not here. (I think it is an SMF issue. phpbb and vbullitin can)
Oh. Never mind, then; my bad, Hero. There's another SMF forum I go to that allows it, but that's probably because I'm a mod there.
Why stop negative (yet constructive) feedback? It's one of the most important things when you release a game or anything else.
Quote from: Enchantermon on September 29, 2010, 01:00:28 PM
Oh. Never mind, then; my bad, Hero. There's another SMF forum I go to that allows it, but that's probably because I'm a mod there.
that's why. I am a mod on another SMF forum and I can edit topic titles but as a member you can't by default (there is probably a way to enable it. SMF is very moddable)
Successful troll is successful.
Troll?
Yeah, you know:
(http://collectibles-yardsale.com/__oneclick_uploads/2008/06/trolls-doll-red-hair.jpg)
Quote from: atec123 on September 29, 2010, 03:44:57 PMthat's why. I am a mod on another SMF forum and I can edit topic titles but as a member you can't by default (there is probably a way to enable it. SMF is very moddable)
Ah. If I was a coder, I'd do it, but I'm not. :P
I can edit the topic--any suggestions on a new title?
How 'bout something like "In defense of TSL" or something. ???
sounds about right
I'll say: TSL is lucky to have a defender like The Hero to stand up for it.
Bt
Quote from: Blackthorne on September 29, 2010, 09:46:54 PM
I'll say: TSL is lucky to have a defender like The Hero to stand up for it.
Bt
Is IA looking for defenders? I can be your public representative.
Fierce Deity says, "Infamous Adventures is the S***! Spread the Word!" ;D
I also want to say, there is nothing wrong with defending the project, but it does seem like the constructive feedback is taking its toll on the "defenders". I think it's important for people to share their criticisms with the team, and I also think it's important for people to boost the morale of the team. It's when both sides collide that these kind of conflicts can explode into a fiery inferno of aggressive remarks.
Another thing that needs to be mentioned is Lambonius' satirical demeanor when commenting on the project. A smart alec, he may be, but nothing more needs to be said. Maybe it would benefit all parties if Lambonius put into his sig, "Caution: Post may contain sarcasm." :P
Quote from: Fierce Deity on September 29, 2010, 11:05:11 PM
Another thing that needs to be mentioned is Lambonius' satirical demeanor when commenting on the project. A smart alec, he may be, but nothing more needs to be said. Maybe it would benefit all parties if Lambonius put into his sig, "Caution: Post may contain sarcasm." :P
LOL...Nah, I much prefer if people wonder whether or not I'm being serious. I like making the little people squirm. >D
Look, I've never had any problems with the game period. I was just happy to see KQ continued in some form. But I agree that the feedback has made the game MUCH better from episode 1 to episode 2. Feedback is essential not only for TSL, but when Phoenix does projects in the future I'm sure. In the beginning, they stated they were learning the game making process. Now they are getting a picture of what fans think. In terms of making commercial titles, the feedback is good, even when it is "bad". But I believe that critiques need to be stated respectfully, and on this forum they aren't always, especially with topics like "Is narrator new cedric?". I would say its half funny, half disrespect, so I have to agree with Hero on this. And there ARE people who just try to cause problems and get people agitated on the forums. Its childish, but hey. Not much to do with people like this.
As far as puzzles, which were an essential part of old kings quest, I've given my opinion elsewhere. It seems that you have people saying "its about the story" and "Its about the puzzles". At this point, I just want to see the story finished. I stopped playing KQ in 1992, I was in grade school. But if TSL team wants to wait to add more stuff to TSL, I'm cool with that, even if it's past December. And I've had, in my opinion, minor critiques of the game, but by no means had any problems or "have to be solved" issues. To each their own as long as its respectful.
I am all for constructive but when compare the narrator to Cedric and start a whole thread about a actors vocak issues like lisps its even gotten to the point where someone has made a downgraded rip of TSL the staff even made a poll to satisfy the people by voting for the wort narrtion lines come om guys enough is enough do you sll see what i mean now
Quote from: The Hero on September 30, 2010, 06:19:21 AM
Its even gotten to the point where someone has made a downgraded rip of TSL.
Really? Where can I get it?
Quote from: Novem on September 30, 2010, 06:50:35 AM
Quote from: The Hero on September 30, 2010, 06:19:21 AM
Its even gotten to the point where someone has made a downgraded rip of TSL.
Really? Where can I get it?
It's a 2d AGS version. seems like a cool project actually as long as it gets rid of the copied voice acting and stuff. I think the guy said he wanted to do that anyway. I bet it won't get released due to legal issues but it is still a cool idea. VGA is always fun, evenn though the 3d TSL is beautiful IMO
The script is also all TSL ags community has become a sad place if they allow games like that im not saying that they cant make a game but don't copy others hard work
Quote from: The Hero on September 30, 2010, 07:55:33 AM
The script is also all TSL ags community has become a sad place if they allow games like that im not saying that they cant make a game but don't copy others hard work
They don't have the right to stop a game like that.
By that logic, The KQ1-3 remakes should not have been made.
it is a fan project. Whether the creator likes TSL, its direction or anything else or how disrespectful he may be is entirely unrelated.
Maybe the VGA project will end up re writing some things and we will end up with yet another KQ fangame. The graphics in the game are pretty well done, and the leader doesn't like TSL, so maybe he will tell the story in a different way that will be equally fun.
As I've said before, I'd be surprised if that game gets completed. His interest seem to go from making a mock-game to outright mocking and then apparently it has died off since he got banned from at least one forum.
But let's try not to get into another lengthy discussion of that yet again! :)
I'd also like to add that he did not release his second demo upon the release of Episode 2 as he said he would, and has still yet to do so...
But I don't wish to talk about this either. Someone change the subject.
A cute webcomic (http://dawnchapel.com/2010/07/firefox-has-crashed/)!
Which also has nothing to do with the thread title, so um...also yay TSL! :D
ETA: Oh I know. We got a new review in...and this one actually likes the narrator! It was refreshing to read that. :)
Quote from: kindofdoon on September 30, 2010, 09:19:23 AM
But I don't wish to talk about this either. Someone change the subject.
i like turtles
Quote from: KatieHal on September 30, 2010, 09:24:45 AM
A cute webcomic (http://dawnchapel.com/2010/07/firefox-has-crashed/)!
Awww, that made my day, Katie. XD
Where's the review? :D
In the reviews thread, it's the latest one from Diehard GameFAN. Also, right here (http://diehardgamefan.com/2010/09/30/review-the-silver-lining-episodes-1-2-pc/).
Quote from: KatieHal on September 30, 2010, 09:34:00 AM
In the reviews thread, it's the latest one from Diehard GameFAN. Also, right here (http://diehardgamefan.com/2010/09/30/review-the-silver-lining-episodes-1-2-pc/).
LOL...that review seems to be the polar opposite of everything else being said about the game here and in most other reviews. He trashes the graphics but praises the voice acting and sarcastic narrator comments. Wow. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. ;)
Quote from: Lambonius on September 30, 2010, 10:00:42 AM
Quote from: KatieHal on September 30, 2010, 09:34:00 AM
In the reviews thread, it's the latest one from Diehard GameFAN. Also, right here (http://diehardgamefan.com/2010/09/30/review-the-silver-lining-episodes-1-2-pc/).
LOL...that review seems to be the polar opposite of everything else being said about the game here and in most other reviews. He trashes the graphics but praises the voice acting and sarcastic narrator comments. Wow. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. ;)
haha yeah.
I love the graphics and most of the voice acting, but dislike the narrator comments just like everyone else.
that is the only review I have seen with that point of view though
Quote from: atec123 on September 30, 2010, 07:03:56 AM
VGA is always fun, even though the 3d TSL is beautiful IMO
I LOVE all the VGA remakes. Can't wait for King's Quest IV VGA, too. Maybe someone is doing VGA remakes of KQ7 & KQ8 as well.
Quote from: Novem on September 30, 2010, 10:09:41 AM
Quote from: atec123 on September 30, 2010, 07:03:56 AM
VGA is always fun, even though the 3d TSL is beautiful IMO
I LOVE all the VGA remakes. Can't wait for King's Quest IV VGA, too. Maybe someone is doing VGA remakes of KQ7 & KQ8 as well.
Me neither. I have said before I am trying to do a 2.5d vga type KQ8 remake. I still might ennd up making it myself in VGA. honestly I don't think I will complete it at all but I don't want to be that pessimistic. lets just say not any time soon.
KQ7 with KQ5 interface.
now that would be interesting too.
That would be awesome. KQ1-8 (and maybe possibly even TSL) all in VGA point n click style.
Quote from: atec123 on September 30, 2010, 10:12:10 AM
I still might end up making it myself in VGA.
Make a 2D VGA remake. Please, please, please!
I think a VGA remake of MoE would be great. Much better than doing it in "old school 3D" as was an idea someone else had. I'd definitely be more likely to play it!
Quote from: KatieHal on September 30, 2010, 10:37:21 AM
I think a VGA remake of MoE would be great. Much better than doing it in "old school 3D" as was an idea someone else had. I'd definitely be more likely to play it!
yeah. I love DMD's other ideas for the remake, but I really don't like the old school 3d idea. modern 3d maybe.... but I really have a thing for AGS/KQV style VGA.
Quote from: atec123 on September 30, 2010, 10:44:22 AM
...but I really have a thing for AGS/KQV style VGA.
When will the demo come out?!? (First!!!)
It's been out for a month or two.
http://www.bigbluecup.com/games.php?action=detail&id=1345
Er... I'm talking about KQVIII VGA! ;)
Quote from: Novem on September 30, 2010, 11:30:58 AM
Er... I'm talking about KQVIII VGA! ;)
Oh it's no where at the time being. I am trying to come up with some preliminary storyboard stuff but I won't have a demo or anything real for a while. Basically in the short term I need some people to help with outlining the whole story, making a storyboard, write a little script, then I need to program it and eventually get good artists.
It's not a small task.
You should track down DMD. He has great enthusiasm for a VGA version of MoE.
Quote from: kindofdoon on September 30, 2010, 11:37:44 AM
You should track down DMD. He has great enthusiasm for a VGA version of MoE.
Didn't he get banned? I can't seem to find his profile. :-\
Anyway, I wouldn't mind helping with the storyboard and script, as long as I can work with others. I'm not very good at single-handedly creating a story, but I can usually get a lot done when I bounce my ideas off others. It shouldn't be too hard though. MoE already has a main plot, but the story would need that "Je ne se qua" about it to make it attract the VGA fans. It might even be respectful to avoid a lot of the events in MoE, and try to translate them to a more "King's Quest"-esque standard. Using the grappling hook in MoE was fine, for an action game; I don't know how that would work well with a VGA title to use a grappling hook on and off, and over and over again.
He asked for his account to be deleted.
Quote from: KatieHal on September 30, 2010, 12:35:27 PM
He asked for his account to be deleted.
Ahh. Peculiar as to why he would request that. But I'd rather not delve into another user's personal business.
He still has accounts on other forums. If you wanted to find him, I'm sure you could.
I have talked to him. Not really since he deleted his account. I have is email adress and stuff still though.
He wanted to make it more 3d. initially he wanted more of a first person 3d with old school graphics. then he wanted a 2.5d kinda thing. 3d characters and sprites, 2d backgrounds with a KQV interface. I like that idea but would prefer pure 2d. He might still want to help if I get a 2d KQ8 project started though.
Fierce Deity: read this:
http://www.agdiforums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=14738
LOADS of good ideas and info over there. Picture some of those things, but in VGA instead.
IT would be more true to roberta's original story intentions, but it would still be 2d.
yeah, I could use some help. trouble is I am kinda the same way, lols. maybe we will get a little further though.
Quote from: atec123 on September 30, 2010, 11:36:17 AM
It's not a small task.
Maybe you should remake a shorter KQ game first. How about Owl's Quest: Every Owl has it's Day (http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/Owl%27s_Quest:_Every_Owl_has_its_Day)? ;)
Btw.: Does anyone have a copy of it?
Quote from: Novem on September 30, 2010, 12:52:24 PM
Quote from: atec123 on September 30, 2010, 11:36:17 AM
It's not a small task.
Maybe you should remake a shorter KQ game first. How about Owl's Quest: Every Owl has it's Day (http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/Owl%27s_Quest:_Every_Owl_has_its_Day)? ;)
Btw.: Does anyone have a copy of it?
lol.
that would be a funny remake. You kinda have a point, it's a huge task.
I want to complete it though. If I get a good team going and we don't lose direction it might be possible.
A copy of what?
Quote from: atec123 on September 30, 2010, 12:54:05 PM
A copy of what?
A copy of Owl's Quest. I can't find a download link anywhere.
Quote from: Novem on September 30, 2010, 12:55:32 PM
Quote from: atec123 on September 30, 2010, 12:54:05 PM
A copy of what?
A copy of Owl's Quest. I can't find a download link anywhere.
Nah. I had one like 2 years ago but I have since wiped my hard drive. I will see if I can find a link you you though.
Quote from: kindofdoon on September 30, 2010, 12:38:28 PM
He still has accounts on other forums. If you wanted to find him, I'm sure you could.
I think he's KingsQuest1995 on Infamous Adventures' forums.
Atec, that thread was very enlightening. There were a few things I disagreed with. For instance, I don't think Connor should keep that "Arabian" style of clothing from the concept shots. Clearly, many of us have already imagined how Connor looks, and he doesn't look like that. Also, the idea of Connor coming to life after already being a statue is an interesting concept, but I think it could be worked with to make him more "human". I do however like the idea of Castle Daventry being in the center of the Kingdom and then have the lands radiating out from it. The notes that were at the bottom of the post also got me thinking about a cool puzzle that could work with the format of the world and its progression.
Yup, so if you can get a team going, I'd like to help out anyway I can.
Quote from: Fierce Deity on September 30, 2010, 01:05:32 PM
Atec, that thread was very enlightening. There were a few things I disagreed with. For instance, I don't think Connor should keep that "Arabian" style of clothing from the concept shots. Clearly, many of us have already imagined how Connor looks, and he doesn't look like that. Also, the idea of Connor coming to life after already being a statue is an interesting concept, but I think it could be worked with to make him more "human". I do however like the idea of Castle Daventry being in the center of the Kingdom and then have the lands radiating out from it. The notes that were at the bottom of the post also got me thinking about a cool puzzle that could work with the format of the world and its progression.
Yup, so if you can get a team going, I'd like to help out anyway I can.
sounds great.
yeah I am not sure I agree with everything either, but that is some great information.
Quote from: snabbott on September 30, 2010, 01:04:58 PM
Quote from: kindofdoon on September 30, 2010, 12:38:28 PM
He still has accounts on other forums. If you wanted to find him, I'm sure you could.
I think he's KingsQuest1995 on Infamous Adventures' forums.
He is. He first contacted me about continuing the remake over there.
Novem, try this link:
http://shutupload.com/dl/466550e2df59/
Quote from: atec123 on September 30, 2010, 01:11:33 PM
Novem, try this link:
http://shutupload.com/dl/466550e2df59/
Cool! Thanks a lot!
Quote from: Novem on September 30, 2010, 01:21:16 PM
Quote from: atec123 on September 30, 2010, 01:11:33 PM
Novem, try this link:
http://shutupload.com/dl/466550e2df59/
Cool! Thanks a lot!
no problem. hope it works for you, it was the only one I found that didn't take me right to a "file removed" or 404 not found.
I'll tell you. Remaking any game is a LOT of work!
Bt
Atec,
Personally speaking, I hope you do make a remake o MoE. That's the one game of the KQ series I never hot to play. I had the old cd-rom set in the purple box that was KQ 1-8 plus mother goose's mixed-up nursery rhymes, but never got around to playing KQ8, then my cat (who's 12 now, but at the time he weighed 20 pounds and the poor boy now seams to either have an abcessed tooth/major mouth infection or oral cancer) sat on the box, and broke the install disc.....and around that time we ended up having to have our hard drive wiped. I now have the set that just has KQ 1-7 on it...the Vivendi 7 game pack that was released in '06
I've wanted to play MoE, so if it gets remade I will finally get to
Quote from: jen on October 03, 2010, 04:37:58 PM
I've wanted to play MoE, so if it gets remade I will finally get to
You can also buy it from gog.com, which is the only way to get it to run properly on newer machines. :)
Quote from: Lambonius on October 03, 2010, 04:54:40 PM
Quote from: jen on October 03, 2010, 04:37:58 PM
I've wanted to play MoE, so if it gets remade I will finally get to
You can also buy it from gog.com, which is the only way to get it to run properly on newer machines. :)
I had looked on amazon and even contacted one of the sellers. See my laptop (which I got in '08) has Windows Vista Basic on it
Quote from: jen on October 03, 2010, 05:58:53 PM
Quote from: Lambonius on October 03, 2010, 04:54:40 PM
Quote from: jen on October 03, 2010, 04:37:58 PM
I've wanted to play MoE, so if it gets remade I will finally get to
You can also buy it from gog.com, which is the only way to get it to run properly on newer machines. :)
I had looked on amazon and even contacted one of the sellers. See my laptop (which I got in '08) has Windows Vista Basic on it
Well, that's the thing. The old CD version of the game won't run properly on Vista (or XP) for that matter. Good Old Games (gog.com) sells a patched version of the game that fixes the problem. As far as I know, it's the only way to play the game on newer PCs. Plus it's pretty cheap, and you get KQ7 with it as well (it's part of a bundle.)
My KQ8 ran on XP.
Too bad I no longer have XP. still trying to get MoE to work on WINE. when I do that, I will be happy. I bet the gog version works on wine.......
Those who can't get MOE to run should try Collector's patch from the Sierra Help Pages. I still have yet to try it myself.