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Title: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on December 05, 2010, 08:39:08 PM
Assassin's Creed is quite undoubtedly a rare gem in its own right. It being a new IP was quickly adopted as the standard for open-world platformers, even though it arrived quite late to the party. One aspect that was working against it was the setting of the game. I had remembered that the game was getting a lot of attention prior to its release, and many were considering it to be a Medieval Grand Theft Auto. When the game released, I had noticed much controversy over the actual setting. It turns out that the game took place in the near (really near in fact) future. The year 2012 if I'm not mistaken by the prophetic conjecture within the game. The main character was not the master assassin Altair, like promoted, but rather a bartender by the name of Desmond Miles. While I was still having high hopes for this series at the time that it came out, the series had taken a turn for the odd before the IP was even given a chance to succeed.

Now looking back at the release of the first Assassin's Creed, I shouldn't have had any doubt. Despite the drastic turn that the game took, it has worked out to be even better than what I was hoping for. Desmond Miles may have been a 20-something nobody from the suburbs, but the story of an assassin is still being told. I have recently finished Assassin's Creed II, and was intrigued by the entire experience all throughout from beginning to end. Without spoiling too much, I can say that things have just begun for Desmond and his misadventures through time.

I haven't had the chance to play Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood, but I had read a review and the editor had referred to the multiplayer aspect as being "the best multiplayer experience that isn't Call of Duty". Not only did this humor me, but also peaked my interest. It's a pretty basic idea of being the hunter, as well as the hunted. You have to find your own personal target and kill them before your own killer finds you. It's simple, and doesn't sound very fun, but I assume it provides a distraction from playing the single-player campaign for too long. I find that to be even better than Call of Duty, considering a Call of Duty single-player campaign is relatively nonexistent these days. They even tried to tie in a story element to try and impress those who want to play the game for the story. It's not that impressive, but it's good to see they've tried.

In retrospect, this series was made for success. Ubisoft rarely puts a lot of attention towards one specific IP unless it's Prince of Persia or Splinter Cell. To see how far Assassin's Creed has come as a whole, it almost seems as if it all happened overnight. Not only did I make this thread to share my impression on the series, but I would also like to discuss where the game is going, provided we don't spoil too much for those who haven't played the games. Feel free to use this thread for anything Assassin's Creed. Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Ultima992 on December 05, 2010, 08:57:54 PM
Assassins Creed is a unique game play, i plan to go through and play the first one again soon, Ive played both, and if i had to choose between the 2 id pick AC2. For me AC1 was competitive with the missions.
between having to get a tower in every town, thief,help people,find towers,assassinate. rinse, repeat 
as to where part 2 you got to go out and do it all differently.

I have not gotten the chance to play AC3Brotherhood, but i watched many previews, and i think that where they are going with it all it is very awesome, the idea of what they gave about
having personal assassins on your team
was very different.
I cant wait to get my hands on AC3Brotherhood
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Baggins on December 05, 2010, 09:06:44 PM
I just replayed through the Assasin's Creed Altair's Chronicles on my Iphone 4 (I had previously played it on DS) Its not a bad game. Probably my second favorite of the portable AC's. The voicework and HD graphics in Iphone version is nice (though the control is worse). Not bad for 99 cents though (it's currently on sale).

My favorite game in the series so far is AC2 though, I like being able to swim.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on December 05, 2010, 09:30:56 PM
I loved AC2. Which is why I'm going to give Brotherhood a fair shot. I just hope that the multiplayer doesn't turn Assassin's Creed into what Call of Duty has become. I'm a fan of a good story, and Assassin's Creed is definitely a good story.

I wanted to get 100% on AC2, but because the DLC was taken out before the game was released and the exclusive maps in the collector's edition remained exclusive, I got less than a perfect sync with Ezio Auditore. I had to settle for getting the Platinum Trophy on the PS3 version.  :-[

I think the PC version on Steam comes with all of the extras required for a 100% sync. I'm such a fan of Assassin's Creed, I'll consider it.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: kindofdoon on December 05, 2010, 10:11:21 PM
I liked AC1 and 2 very much, but not enough to spend lots of money on what appears to be extra content for AC2. I will wait until AC3.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on December 05, 2010, 10:32:52 PM
I liked AC1 and 2 very much, but not enough to spend lots of money on what appears to be extra content for AC2. I will wait until AC3.

This would be the logical, money-saving method that I should be using. I played the majority of the game, but I'm curious as to what happened during Sequence 12 and 13. I'll probably just see a video walkthrough on Youtube or something. I thought it was such a copout to exclude both of those chapters and then have the characters say, "Oh, it seems our data is corrupted. Maybe if you buy the DLC, those sequences will come back." Still, I'll probably do the same as you and wait for AC3. I'm just feeling unfulfilled.  :-\
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: kindofdoon on December 05, 2010, 10:48:06 PM
I read a rumor that AC3 might take place in Feudal Japan...Such a game could really be amazing if the developers pushed it to its fullest potential.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Baggins on December 05, 2010, 11:29:49 PM
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I think the PC version on Steam comes with all of the extras required for a 100% sync. I'm such a fan of Assassin's Creed, I'll consider it.

Well I don't know if they changed, it but all the extras were initially given out as preorders on Steam for AC2.

Obviously there is also no way to get the PS3 exclusive weapons, which is a bit annoying.

The developers said they wanted to release all the extra content  (at least the levels) later on long after the release (so that everyone would have equal versions)... But I doubt they ever got around to it? I think you can access a version of those levels in DLC content btw, since at least one of the bonus areas is used as part of the story.

I got the steam release early on, infact its superior to all American versions, since it has the extra level that only came with the European Black Edition.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Lambonius on December 06, 2010, 05:25:19 AM
Assassin's Creed is the single best reason to own a current generation video game console.  No question.

Not since Zelda: Ocarina of Time has a game literally enthralled me and kept me sucked into the story, gameplay, and details of the setting as much as AC2.  And AC:Brotherhood improves on AC2 in just about every way, including looks.  The reviews are correct in saying that it's not quite as much of a revolutionary leap over AC2 as AC2 was over AC1, but it is not--I repeat, NOT--just more of the same or "extra content for AC2."  The reasons it doesn't seem as revolutionary are not because AC:Brotherhood is bad, but because AC2 was already SO FRIGGIN' GOOD.  :)

I do think the multiplayer is well thought-out, but I don't see it ever becoming the draw that some are saying it will be--but then, I've never been much for online multiplayer.  If you're a fan of the series though (and even if you're not), the multiplayer component won't be your reason for buying the game anyway--continuing the amazingly deep single-player story will be.

I just can't say enough good things about the series.  The first game had its missteps, and if it had ended there, it would be a forgettable experience.  But the second game was so good, and provided such an amazingly good story with memorable characters, that the series is thankfully here to stay and only getting better.  Long live Assassin's Creed.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: kindofdoon on December 06, 2010, 06:31:01 AM
Hm, I don't think that AC1 without AC2 would have been a forgettable experience. Though it lacked any plot development for most of the game, leaving that to the exposition and conclusion, it still had excellent combination of gameplay and visuals, which, in my opinion, trump story in terms of importance to the overall experience of the game.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Lambonius on December 06, 2010, 08:57:48 AM
Hm, I don't think that AC1 without AC2 would have been a forgettable experience. Though it lacked any plot development for most of the game, leaving that to the exposition and conclusion, it still had excellent combination of gameplay and visuals, which, in my opinion, trump story in terms of importance to the overall experience of the game.

True...it would definitely have been memorable--and the story was still pretty interesting.  I guess what I meant by that was just to point out that AC1 was so far from reaching its full potential compared to its sequel.  :)  I still like AC1, and you're right, the audio-visual delivery is still excellent.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: kindofdoon on December 06, 2010, 09:03:20 AM
Definitely. AC2 is an improvement in almost every area (except, in my opinion, the dual hidden blades, which seem to me like a cheap enhancement to an iconic weapon). I hope AC3 can expand AC2 just as AC2 expanded AC1.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Melook on December 06, 2010, 09:38:21 AM
I love assassins creed. Everybody I know who got brotherhood says that it is great, a lot bett than AC2. The multiplayer is amazing to.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Baggins on December 06, 2010, 11:03:10 AM
I'm awaiting the steam version of Brotherhood. I'm hoping they include the bonus Harlequin skin in that version, and whatever extras exist for the game.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on December 06, 2010, 07:31:46 PM
Brotherhood (from what I heard) had expanded a lot of the gameplay elements to AC2, but a lot of them seem like something that only Ezio would accomplish.
For instance, the actual recruitment for the Brotherhood. The system sounds nice, but if Ezio is the one who reestablished the Brotherhood after Al Mualim was the one who disestablished it after betraying everyone, I can assume that this gameplay element won't be recurring unless another crazy Templar weasels his way into the Assassins and breaks it apart from the inside. Destroying Leonardo da Vinci's crazy inventions that he was forced to make for the Templars. It sounds fun, but it would only fit in the Renaissance with Ezio. Also, collecting the feathers was something that provided a memento to Petruccio after his death. The next Assassin in line probably won't be picking those up. Safe to assume that there will be another collectible that the next Assassin will have to pick up though.


Brotherhood sounds awesome, but a lot of the stuff in the game is building on top of AC2, rather than the series. So I may expect AC3 to go in a different direction, cause it'll need to redefine itself for a new era and a new Assassin. Regardless, it's going to be pretty awesome, no doubt.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Lambonius on December 06, 2010, 07:47:47 PM
I don't see why AC3 couldn't have the main character recruiting assassins.  I mean, even a fully established guild always needs new recruits, right?  Personally, I'd love to see the game set in revolutionary era America.  Just think of all the possible tie-ins with the whole Founding Fathers + Freemasons history (look it up! ;))  History nerd overload!  ;D
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: kindofdoon on December 06, 2010, 07:50:16 PM
That sounds dangerously like National Treasure...
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Lambonius on December 06, 2010, 07:57:44 PM
That sounds dangerously like National Treasure...

Ha, true...but I have confidence in the AC writing team to keep the story fresh and interesting.  Besides, it'd have the whole historical adventure thing going for it, being actually partly set in the Revolutionary era, rather than just modern day yahoos traipsing around old ruins and such.  :)  Plus we wouldn't have to suffer through Nick Cage's terrible acting.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: kindofdoon on December 06, 2010, 08:06:53 PM
You know, I actually kind of like Nicholas Cage in the National Tresure series...He's not an especially stand-out actor, but he plays the part well enough to provide a solid impression of his character.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Lambonius on December 06, 2010, 08:10:33 PM
You know, I actually kind of like Nicholas Cage in the National Tresure series...He's not an especially stand-out actor, but he plays the part well enough to provide a solid impression of his character.

He does well enough when the characters are written specifically for him, but he basically plays the same character in every movie.  You know--the gruff, cynical, slightly-past-his-prime, slightly goofy hero?  I could probably count the amount of roles that he's played where he stands out in marked contrast to that description on one hand.  :)
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: wilco64256 on December 06, 2010, 08:16:06 PM
I think that James Caviezel could do well as Ezio.

Personally I'd just love to see more modern stuff going on with Desmond and company.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Lambonius on December 06, 2010, 08:22:54 PM
I think that James Caviezel could do well as Ezio.

Hmm...I could see that.  I can't really think of any obvious alternatives that pop into mind for Ezio specifically, but I could see 300's Gerard Butler being a good fit for an Assassin's Creed type role.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: kindofdoon on December 06, 2010, 08:32:43 PM
You know, I actually kind of like Nicholas Cage in the National Tresure series...He's not an especially stand-out actor, but he plays the part well enough to provide a solid impression of his character.

He does well enough when the characters are written specifically for him, but he basically plays the same character in every movie.  You know--the gruff, cynical, slightly-past-his-prime, slightly goofy hero?  I could probably count the amount of roles that he's played where he stands out in marked contrast to that description on one hand.  :)

That is certainly true, and it's why he fits well into National Treasure.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on December 06, 2010, 09:13:26 PM
I don't see why AC3 couldn't have the main character recruiting assassins.  I mean, even a fully established guild always needs new recruits, right?  Personally, I'd love to see the game set in revolutionary era America.  Just think of all the possible tie-ins with the whole Founding Fathers + Freemasons history (look it up! ;))  History nerd overload!  ;D

I didn't mean to sound like they should nix the concept of recruiting in future games. It just seems like recruiting was one of the main concepts in Brotherhood (hence the name of the game). They could definitely improve on the system as it stands. It looks to be a simple micromanagement of NPCs. They could definitely do a lot more with it, beyond just recruiting. I also think an American Revolution era would be fitting for a future title.

Ezio and company did learn about the Americas from the map on the codex pages after all. Foreshadowing perhaps?
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Lambonius on December 06, 2010, 10:47:36 PM
I don't see why AC3 couldn't have the main character recruiting assassins.  I mean, even a fully established guild always needs new recruits, right?  Personally, I'd love to see the game set in revolutionary era America.  Just think of all the possible tie-ins with the whole Founding Fathers + Freemasons history (look it up! ;))  History nerd overload!  ;D

I didn't mean to sound like they should nix the concept of recruiting in future games. It just seems like recruiting was one of the main concepts in Brotherhood (hence the name of the game). They could definitely improve on the system as it stands. It looks to be a simple micromanagement of NPCs. They could definitely do a lot more with it, beyond just recruiting. I also think an American Revolution era would be fitting for a future title.

Ezio and company did learn about the Americas from the map on the codex pages after all. Foreshadowing perhaps?

Well technically, by the end of the game the Americas had been discovered by the contemporary Italians, so I'm not sure how new the idea was to Ezio.  ;)  I can't remember if he remarks on it in-game or not.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on December 08, 2010, 10:26:10 PM
I don't see why AC3 couldn't have the main character recruiting assassins.  I mean, even a fully established guild always needs new recruits, right?  Personally, I'd love to see the game set in revolutionary era America.  Just think of all the possible tie-ins with the whole Founding Fathers + Freemasons history (look it up! ;))  History nerd overload!  ;D

I didn't mean to sound like they should nix the concept of recruiting in future games. It just seems like recruiting was one of the main concepts in Brotherhood (hence the name of the game). They could definitely improve on the system as it stands. It looks to be a simple micromanagement of NPCs. They could definitely do a lot more with it, beyond just recruiting. I also think an American Revolution era would be fitting for a future title.

Ezio and company did learn about the Americas from the map on the codex pages after all. Foreshadowing perhaps?

Well technically, by the end of the game the Americas had been discovered by the contemporary Italians, so I'm not sure how new the idea was to Ezio.  ;)  I can't remember if he remarks on it in-game or not.

In a cutscene where Ezio discovers the map of the world on all of the codex pages, he makes a comment along the lines of: "It's a map of the world, but some of these lands don't exist." Then Machiavelli had interjected with a pompous: "The lands exist, they may not have been discovered yet." I do believe that this time period (the end of sequence 11) takes place before Columbus' first voyage to the Americas in 1492. You are right about the end of the game being past this point though. The game ends around the year 1499. I just noticed that there was a huge gap in between sequence 11 and sequence 14. The adventure that Ezio had during sequence 12 and 13 was very short and couldn't have lasted more than a year. However, more years had passed before sequence 14 had occurred.

There was a Nintendo DS installment that was titled, Assassin's Creed II: Discovery. It takes place somewhere after sequence 11, and sometime before sequence 14. In this title, Ezio goes to Spain during the Inquisition and runs into some more historical figures to add to his friends' list on Facebook. One of these figures being Christopher Columbus himself. I figured that Ezio had made a rash argument about the existence of the Americas far too soon, in the big scheme of things. The timeline that occurs in AC2 is kind of confusing, considering that it takes place within a 30 year period of Ezio's life (from when he was 20-50 give or take, I'm not counting that baby Ezio tutorial).

Now, if you'll excuse me, my head hurts and I need to go take an aspirin.  :S

(Posted on: December 07, 2010, 08:38:11 AM)


Something that I'm noticing in Brotherhood is how useful it is to loot bodies now. In AC2, when you looted a body, you would get an average of 10 florins, and on a rare occasion, you'd get to replenish your supplies (like medicine and throwing daggers). In Brotherhood, it seems like soldiers carry a lot more florins, and a hell of a lot more supplies. Quite an improvement if you ask me. The combat seems more fluid than ever before. This could be a bad thing though. The kicking element makes taking down brutes a lot easier. I liked having to disarm them, and then cleave their axe into their head or their spear through their chest. But now, you can kick them, and then stab them. Still, the system does allow you to feel like that badass assassin.

Brotherhood with its ups and downs is a fitting installment to the series, but it's still kind of lacking in longevity. Not nearly as many viewpoints or sequences. The game seems like it'll be shorter than AC2, but this inspires hope that the next real installment in the series will have the fixes that Brotherhood has presented and then some.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Baggins on December 08, 2010, 11:45:44 PM
I finished Discovery about a month ago, on my Iphone 4, ya he runs in Columbus whom the templars are trying to eliminate. He makes sure that Columbus is saved, and that Columbus is able to get help in going to the Americas.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on December 09, 2010, 11:48:19 AM
The Assassin's Creed franchise is among my favorite franchises of any media. I am absolutely in love with the AC franchise. That being said, I own the collector's editions of both 2 and Brotherhood. 2 was amazing. I didn't think they could improve on 2 anymore. Brotherhood proved me wrong. Brotherhood is amazing. It's by far the best AC game to date. AC3 is gonna be even MORE amazing I think. And, you want new features in the next AC game, I bet a whole lot are coming, if this (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/12/05/survey-gauges-interest-in-potential-future-assassins-creed-feat/) article is any indication. Also, Brotherhood does have more in depth Desmond experiences, but they're few and far between. IE, the beginning of the game and the end of the game. But they're longer than they were in 2. Desmond actually gets to use the skills he learned from both Altair and Ezio through The Bleeding Effect.

Speaking of AC taking place in Feudal japan, I saw the Warriors Way recently, and the only thing I could think of was, "OMG ASSASSIN'S CREED THE MOVIE!". Seriously, AC in Feudal Japan would be AMAZING!
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on December 09, 2010, 06:58:35 PM
And, you want new features in the next AC game, I bet a whole lot are coming, if this (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/12/05/survey-gauges-interest-in-potential-future-assassins-creed-feat/) article is any indication.

I'm not too fascinated by amplifying the multiplayer mode, but the other features look intriguing. Except for allowing Ezio to get another game. I think it's nigh time he let someone else get the spotlight. Besides, Ezio is pretty old at this point, and Desmond is still young. The Bleeding Effect would work best with a new assassin from a new era. For instance, how is an assassin going to counteract gunfire? I'm sure Abstergo can muster up something more than just a bunch of security guards with nightsticks.

Also, the concept of having a gang war with the Templars over territory is really a good idea. In Brotherhood, Ezio has to take down the Borgia towers, but taking down the morale of an entire area is much better in my opinion. I'm not into Grand Theft Auto anymore, so if Assassin's Creed can adopt all of the fun features from GTA, I'll be golden. The territorial battles would definitely be a plus.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Baggins on December 09, 2010, 07:03:08 PM
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how is an assassin going to counteract gunfire?
The power of bullet-time :p... Next stop we get to play as Neo...
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Lambonius on December 09, 2010, 07:42:19 PM
Just have to say--not a fan of the feudal Japan idea.  The thing that makes AC so awesome is how fresh and relatively untapped the historical settings are.  I mean seriously--Renaissance Italy?  When was the last time you had a game set during that time?  But bringing in samurais and Japanese culture--YAWN.  Total snore.  Total cliche.  In my opinion anyway.  ;)
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on December 09, 2010, 07:58:36 PM
Well, I think Ubisoft could make Feudal Japan work. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. As for whether Ezio should get another game, I agree that his time is done. Brotherhood is great. It truly is. But I feel it's the end of Ezio's arc. I have yet to finish the actual game, but I'm close. I'm in like sequence 6 or 7. Although I really hope they include some more stuff from Subject 16. I LOVED the secret truth video from 2, and I'm currently trying to compile the truth video for Brotherhood.

Assassin's Creed is definitely one of the greatest things to happen to video games in a while in my opinion. I mean, it's got an AMAZING plot, AMAZING gameplay (from 2 and on. I don't much care for the first game...), AMAZING graphics and so much more. AC3 is gonna be amazing. Period. I'm definitely excited! But I really want them to move away from the male protagonists... I'd like to play as a female assassin, if only for one outing. I imagine that a female could run faster and be better at acrobatics and what not over a master assassin like Ezio. Also, major plot hole... With each piece of armor that Ezio and Altair obtain, their free running ability isn't hindered... You'd think that with heavy armor would come a slower running speed... I mean, they incorporated such a system for the guards (Agiles, Seekers and Brutes, and in brotherhood, the annoying as heck Papal Guards.) But why are the assassin's able to run at the same speed despite heavier armor?
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: kindofdoon on December 09, 2010, 07:59:03 PM
The AC series, or any series, shouldn't avoid a setting simply because it has been done before. If they are are going to do that setting in a way that has been done before, then yes, they shouldn't bother. But I think you would agree that the AC series has a unique and refreshing way of bringing locations to life in a way no other series quite does. I think an AC take on Feudal Japan could be quite different in its realism and freshness than anything we've seen so far.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on December 09, 2010, 08:19:02 PM
The AC series, or any series, shouldn't avoid a setting simply because it has been done before. If they are are going to do that setting in a way that has been done before, then yes, they shouldn't bother. But I think you would agree that the AC series has a unique and refreshing way of bringing locations to life in a way no other series quite does. I think an AC take on Feudal Japan could be quite different in its realism and freshness than anything we've seen so far.

The first thing you must also remember is the time line the games are progressing along. I'm no history expert, so forgive the following: is feudal Japan before or after the 1500s? Because if it's before the 1500's, it's likely they won't do it. The series so far has gone in a forward direction, starting with Altair in the 11 somethings, and then going to Ezio in the late 1400's and the early 1500's. I believe the series will continue in this forward going direction. The rumors I've heard are either Alaska (basically bringing the comic to life), England with a female protagonist, or Paris. The Feudal Japan one is new for me. If desmond is gonna learn new skills through the bleeding effect, one would think that he would do so from an assassin after Ezio's time. Besides, Altair, Ezio and Desmond are all part of the same bloodline. That was established from the get go of 1. The animus (so far) can only allow you to relive memories of your own ancestors. Though, I'd love to see either a Pirate assassin or ninja assassin. I'm a ninja fan first and foremost, but could you just imagine a pirate Assassin in Desmond's bloodline?

If however, Feudal japan is after 1500's, and furthermore, after Ezio's time, then my points above are moot and can be disregarded...
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: kindofdoon on December 09, 2010, 08:51:27 PM
Unfortunately, it appears that Feudal Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Japan#Feudal_Japan_.281185-1868.29) is a very vague term, historically speaking; it encompasses nearly 500 years of history (1185-1868, according to Wikipedia).
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Baggins on December 09, 2010, 09:16:00 PM
It's not "vague" it simply means the period when Japan had a feudal system. Which of course lasted 500 years or so. In the late 1800's the samurai were disbanded (there lands redistributed) by the army and people of japan pushed towards a more democratic society.

that would be kinda exciting, if you were going around assasinating the samurai. But on the other hand its been done to death...

There seems something wrong about connecting samurai with the templar... Even if both are kind of like knights...
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: kindofdoon on December 09, 2010, 09:22:30 PM
It's not "vague" it simply means the period when Japan had a feudal system. Which of course lasted 500 years or so.


Yeah, by "vague", I meant "encompassing an extremely long period of time". It is "vague" in the sense that it doesn't contribute to DD's theory that AC's ancestral societies are advancing forward in time over the course of the series, because Feudal Japan could be before or after Renaissance Italy.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on December 09, 2010, 09:35:09 PM
It's not "vague" it simply means the period when Japan had a feudal system. Which of course lasted 500 years or so.


Yeah, by "vague", I meant "encompassing an extremely long period of time". It is "vague" in the sense that it doesn't contribute to DD's theory that AC's ancestral societies are advancing forward in time over the course of the series, because Feudal Japan could be before or after Renaissance Italy.

Frankly, I don't think my comment is much of a "theory" but more of a fact. I mean, think of it logically. Would Desmond learn a new trick through the bleeding effect from a Samurai that came before Ezio? Ezio would already have that ability, and perhaps better (Ezio had a better version of Eagle Vision than Altair for example). You need only look at the series itself for the proof. Also, Wikipedia isn't a foolproof source. The stuff posted there can easily be fabricated. I'm a web design major. It's my business to know how wikipedia works... Ok, so granted, false information is usually brought down within minutes, if not seconds, but my point still stands...

In any event, Ubisoft has already confirmed that another big AC game is coming next year. I'm hoping it's AC3, but if it's another extension of Ezio's story, I'm gonna be annoyed. Don't get me wrong; I love Ezio, and I think Brotherhood was a good idea. But I think now it's time for the developers to move on and make a new assassin in a new time period and give Desmond some new freaking abilities. But that's just me, a raving fannatic of all that is Assassin's Creed. If the fact that I bought the collector's editions, have two t-shirts, and own the comic is any indication, I have a video game addiction to one AC franchise. The only prescription? MORE AC! (or cowbell... XD :rofl:)
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on December 09, 2010, 09:46:04 PM
It's not "vague" it simply means the period when Japan had a feudal system. Which of course lasted 500 years or so.


Yeah, by "vague", I meant "encompassing an extremely long period of time". My word choice was inaccurate.

Indeed, the Feudal Age of Japan carried many eras within itself. Although, the feudal system remained the same, there were changes that would indicate progression and succession from the feudal system. Also, I agree with Baggins, samurais and Templars don't mesh well together. The setting itself would be intriguing, cause I'd like to see an open-world adventure set in Japan, but I'm afraid Sega's Yakuza series will be the closest thing to that (and it's not at all open-world).

The rumors I've heard are either Alaska (basically bringing the comic to life), England with a female protagonist, or Paris.

I had heard that the comic was taking place in Russia, no? I'd like to see the comic turned into a game though. The only problem is that the comic has nothing to do with Desmond and his lineage, so it's not likely to be in production. I'm still convinced that Desmond's next destination in time is the American Revolution. Every bit of information I hear suggests that America is the next destination for Desmond's bloodline.

Ending Spoilers for Brotherhood:

Before Desmond grabs the Apple and before time freezes, you can hear Shaun babbling about the symbols he's seeing from the Apple's effects. He says he sees a Phrygian cap and a Masonic eye. I may be rusty on my American history, but I'm pretty sure the Phrygian cap is used in the Seal of the United States Senate and the Masonic eye is used on the American currency.

Just a theory though. I could be totally off-base.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: kindofdoon on December 09, 2010, 09:47:44 PM
It's not "vague" it simply means the period when Japan had a feudal system. Which of course lasted 500 years or so.


Yeah, by "vague", I meant "encompassing an extremely long period of time". It is "vague" in the sense that it doesn't contribute to DD's theory that AC's ancestral societies are advancing forward in time over the course of the series, because Feudal Japan could be before or after Renaissance Italy.

Frankly, I don't think my comment is much of a "theory" but more of a fact. I mean, think of it logically. Would Desmond learn a new trick through the bleeding effect from a Samurai that came before Ezio? Ezio would already have that ability, and perhaps better (Ezio had a better version of Eagle Vision than Altair for example). You need only look at the series itself for the proof.

I'm not sure your assertion is factual, unless some developer said so. Desmond's ancestors obviously did not have access to the Animus, and thus, for the most part, they each developed without the aid of their ancestors. So, logically, they would each have their own strengths and weaknesses based on their learned fighting styles and technology of the time. Desmond can benefit from studying any assassin, because each one, regardless of time period, would have valuable, exclusive techniques.

You assert that Desmond must continuously learn from newer ancestors, who have improved abilities. That is not necessarily true, logically. What if, for example, Altaïr was a better swordsman than Ezio, but Ezio was a better brawler than Altaïr? If Desmond's ancestral assassins continuously became stronger and stronger with each generation, then by your logic, Desmond should be the strongest, right? That is clearly not the case.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on December 09, 2010, 10:25:15 PM
It's not "vague" it simply means the period when Japan had a feudal system. Which of course lasted 500 years or so.


Yeah, by "vague", I meant "encompassing an extremely long period of time". It is "vague" in the sense that it doesn't contribute to DD's theory that AC's ancestral societies are advancing forward in time over the course of the series, because Feudal Japan could be before or after Renaissance Italy.

Frankly, I don't think my comment is much of a "theory" but more of a fact. I mean, think of it logically. Would Desmond learn a new trick through the bleeding effect from a Samurai that came before Ezio? Ezio would already have that ability, and perhaps better (Ezio had a better version of Eagle Vision than Altair for example). You need only look at the series itself for the proof.

I'm not sure your assertion is factual, unless some developer said so. Desmond's ancestors obviously did not have access to the Animus, and thus, for the most part, they each developed without the aid of their ancestors. So, logically, they would each have their own strengths and weaknesses based on their learned fighting styles and technology of the time. Desmond can benefit from studying any assassin, because each one, regardless of time period, would have valuable, exclusive techniques.

You assert that Desmond must continuously learn from newer ancestors, who have improved abilities. That is not necessarily true, logically. What if, for example, Altaïr was a better swordsman than Ezio, but Ezio was a better brawler than Altaïr? If Desmond's ancestral assassins continuously became stronger and stronger with each generation, then by your logic, Desmond should be the strongest, right? That is clearly not the case.

I see logic has been used against me... I am by no means an expert on logic, and so you win this battle. I still think the developers will use an assassin that hails from a time period after Ezio's.

And Fierce Deity, I meant Russia. For some reason I get russia and Alaska confused...
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on December 09, 2010, 11:29:27 PM
Desmond may not be the strongest assassin, but he definitely has the potential to be the strongest assassin. It depends solely on how you look at it. For any craft or art that requires skill, newer generations are exposed to the knowledge of the past. For instance, if I had a master assassin as my teacher, it's safe to say that his potential will inspire me to reach his level of skill. Even after his passing, I'll be able to improve. If I then inspire my student to be as strong as me, he will have the potential to be as good as me, even better. And so on . . .

Clearly, Desmond's ancestors had started off as newbs at some point. Skill isn't inherited, it can be learned through practice. Although Altair was a master assassin and had the strongest sense of commitment towards his art, his skill was limited to his time. Therefore, Ezio (granted the art of killing passes on through time as it did) would have access to Altair's technique and moves, while Altair wouldn't have access to the know-how of using a hidden gun. Like I said, it depends on how you look at it. If you want to be technical, Ezio was a late bloomer and didn't exactly have the art of killing down to a science. Still, idealistically, Ezio has the potential to be as good as Altair, and Ezio's descendants have the potential to be as good as him. The only thing that changes throughout this progression is the technology, which would provide newer generations with newer skills and techniques.

I understand what Doon is arguing, but future generations will always be superior to a more archaic generation. Even if a descendant isn't as good as their ancestor, the actual art or craft has improved over the span of time, and thus those willing to learn the art, have an advantage.

Now all of this put aside for a moment, Desmond has a very unfair advantage above all of the other assassins in his bloodline. The Bleeding Effect will allow him to learn the skills of an assassin overnight. Absolutely ridiculous how far he has come in such a short time. He can use Eagle Vision, he can leap around like an assassin, he can brawl, and he can use the hidden blade. He's not far off now from being the ultimate assassin.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: kindofdoon on December 09, 2010, 11:52:11 PM
Even if a descendant isn't as good as their ancestor, the actual art or craft has improved over the span of time, and thus those willing to learn the art, have an advantage.

Well put. I agree.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on December 10, 2010, 12:29:58 AM
Even if a descendant isn't as good as their ancestor, the actual art or craft has improved over the span of time, and thus those willing to learn the art, have an advantage.

Well put. I agree.

As do I. I love the Assassin's Creed franchise to death, and frankly, I'm really willing to overlook plot holes. I just want to play more AC. If they decided to go with an assassin in-between Altair and Ezio, that's fine by me, so long as they have a legitimate reason for doing so. As I've stated before, I'm willing to give Ubisoft the benefit of the doubt. The AC franchise has proven to be massively successful so far, warranting two full blown console sequels, one of which literally a year after the other one, with no sign of slowing down. Now if only the rest of the industry would get off their butts and start making new IPs. But that's a discussion for another thread. In any event, I'm hoping brotherhood has some decent DLC that's not multiplayer maps and a bit more substantial than missing sequences. Only time will tell I suppose. Speaking of multiplayer though, I should start using the multiplayer in brotherhood. I've heard really good things about it, but I haven't yet had the time to try it.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Baggins on December 10, 2010, 08:22:28 AM
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And Fierce Deity, I meant Russia. For some reason I get russia and Alaska confused...
Wow, that's pretty big confusion... About the only thing they have in common is that they are close to each other, and that Russia once controlled Alaska. There are still alot of Russian Orthodox Churches there.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on December 10, 2010, 09:58:26 AM
And if you live in Alaska, you can see Russia from your house.... XD sorry, forgive that little political banter. Joking aside, yes, it is a rather big confusion.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Baggins on December 10, 2010, 03:55:27 PM
Well to be fair, the Palin's quote was actually, "From certain parts of Alaska you can actually see Russia" (which is technically true)...

It was SNL, that modified it to, "I can see Russia from My House." (which is hilarious political parody, and not true). SNL's version stuck, and a lot of people quote SNL, thinking they are quoting Palin, believing she said the latter.

Its kinda like how people think the quote, "Beam me UP, Scotty" originates out of Star Trek, yet is never said in the film. Another one is the "Play it again, Sam" quote, which does not appear in Casablanca.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on December 10, 2010, 05:29:58 PM
Well to be fair, the Palin's quote was actually, "From certain parts of Alaska you can actually see Russia" (which is technically true)...

I can imagine that the Aleutian Islands would be as close as one can get to Russia from Alaska without falling into the ocean. Still, nobody knows for sure how to interpret that Palin quote. Although what she said is true, the comment itself was ineffective in getting a point across. There's a reason why people found he quote to be so ridiculous. So you can see Russia from Alaska, so what?

Another point I wanted to make was how SNL had embellished the truth of Palin's comment. I distinctly remembering her referring to Russia as a "backdoor neighbor". Clearly, it was meant to be a metaphor and not to be taken literal, but if a cheap shot can be made on a politician, you can bet it will be taken without hesitation. Especially when it comes to SNL. It must be hard to keep that show going considering how far it's fallen from its heyday.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Baggins on December 10, 2010, 06:08:43 PM
Yes, I understand you can see it from Diomede islands. Apparently you can also see it from main land alaska at certain times of the year from tops of the mountains near a couple of small towns Cape Prince of Wales and Shimaref. That's because the mountains and the cities on them are high enough if the weather is right to look over the curve the earth and see some of the mountains of Siberia. Interesting trivia.

So ya basically I went and listened to Palin's quote (although most of the message cut off so I couldn't get full context). The one interviewer asked her about what insight does proximity of Alaska to Russia give her. She starts out by saying, "they are nextdoor neihbors", then goes off on a tangent to point out an interesting fact of trivia (you can tell by her facial expressions she wanted to give out trivia, she thought people might find interesting), that "you can actually see russia from land here in Alaska". Which had nothing to do with geo-political question, she was asked, and kinda came out of the blue. If she had avoided random bits of trivia, they wouldn't have had anything to mock out of it, LOL.

Politicians and there verbal gaffs, I'm partial to Obama's "57 states", or Bush's "Our enemies don't stop thinking about ways to harm our country, and neither do we".
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on December 10, 2010, 07:47:06 PM
Politicians and there verbal gaffs, I'm partial to Obama's "57 states", or Bush's "Our enemies don't stop thinking about ways to harm our country, and neither do we".

Ahh, good ol' Bush. His speeches always put a smile on my face. For all the wrong reasons of course, but the fact remains the same.  ::)
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on December 10, 2010, 09:48:31 PM
If I may interject: This thread is about Assassin's Creed, not politics. I made my little comment earlier as a joke. I didn't intend for it to start an off-topic train. So, from here on out, let's focus on AC, alright?
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: kindofdoon on December 10, 2010, 09:51:12 PM
Fun fact: Assassin's Creed (1) was originally supposed to have a crossbow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc-ClutaN_I#t=0m38s) as a usable weapon, but it was cut from the final game.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on December 10, 2010, 09:57:55 PM
Fun fact: Assassin's Creed (1) was originally supposed to have a crossbow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc-ClutaN_I#t=0m38s) as a usable weapon, but it was cut from the final game.

Really? The crossbow is first introduced as a usable weapon Brotherhood. I'm surprised they didn't try fitting it in 2, especially if it was cut from the first game. I honestly wouldn't have minded a weapon pack for 2 that included a crossbow, and maybe just for kicks, a machine gun. I mean, I'd find it absolutely hilarious to see Ezio running around Italy with a machine gun... And they could explain it all via a glitch in the Animus... But that's not gonna happen...
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on December 10, 2010, 11:52:37 PM
Fun fact: Assassin's Creed (1) was originally supposed to have a crossbow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc-ClutaN_I#t=0m38s) as a usable weapon, but it was cut from the final game.

I knew about that. I thought a crossbow would have been nice, but it would have been a tad bit conspicuous, I reckon. I'm surprised Ezio can get away with it in Brotherhood. You'd think the guards would just notify everybody about an assassin wearing a crossbow on his back. He'd be easy to spot. The hidden gun is much more stealthy I think.

Speaking of the hidden gun, I liked that one hit in AC2 wear you had to shoot the guy on the boat from a masquerade party. It was by far the easiest hit, but it was the most creative.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: kindofdoon on December 11, 2010, 12:12:47 AM
Yeah, the hidden gun was a nice addition.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Baggins on December 11, 2010, 10:33:53 AM
The crossbow was in Assassin's Creed: Altair's Chronicles. Kind of a interesting auto-targeting feature, for snipping enemies from above.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on December 11, 2010, 01:46:50 PM
The only two downsides to the hidden gun are the lack of ammo upgrades for it (and I shouldn't have to do anything on uPlay to get the upgrades) and the noise it makes in game. The crossbow in brotherhood is much quieter, and it holds a lot more ammo than the hidden gun. So the crossbow has become my long ranged weapon of choice. Unfortunately, the guards also have crossbows, and they use them at close range in addition to long range. Crossbows hurt, no matter what range you're shooting them from...
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on December 11, 2010, 04:35:37 PM
The only two downsides to the hidden gun are the lack of ammo upgrades for it (and I shouldn't have to do anything on uPlay to get the upgrades) and the noise it makes in game. The crossbow in brotherhood is much quieter, and it holds a lot more ammo than the hidden gun. So the crossbow has become my long ranged weapon of choice. Unfortunately, the guards also have crossbows, and they use them at close range in addition to long range. Crossbows hurt, no matter what range you're shooting them from...

I agree on all accounts. I like the idea of uPlay, but the Rewards are somewhat lackluster. There are a few Rewards that I think were cool. Being able to bring over the Armor of Altair from AC2 into Brotherhood sounds kind of cool. I do like how they made Ezio's armor in Brotherhood to look more like Altair's outfit from AC1, but the Armor of Altair was very badass.

Also, being able to increase the amount of bullets you can carry is a swell idea, but the fact that you have to spend your Ubi points to get a bigger bullet bag makes it a bit of a waste. I think the type of Rewards that would be fitting for a game would be the kind of promotional DLC items you get when you preorder games at Gamestop. Costumes, multiplayer map packs, etc. Anything that really expands on the full game experience should remain in-game.

Also, I like the crossbow for what it is, but I want to see how the future assassins will approach long-range attacks. If the next time period approaches anything closer to the modern age, then the assassins will have to stop being so old-fashioned.

On a side note, I found an article that was sharing a theory of the setting for the next Assassin's Creed. It has the same theory as me (if you had read my spoiler tag), for the same reasons. Enjoy at your own risk, cause there will be spoilers:

http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2010/12/07/assassins-creed-3-setting-revealed-in-brotherhood/
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: kindofdoon on December 11, 2010, 04:39:59 PM
I think I will like AC3 regardless of where it is, whether Feudal Japan or Revolutionary America, but this sounds awesome. I love history, especially American history, so I am looking forward to this very much.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on December 11, 2010, 05:12:42 PM
I have yet to finish Brotherhood, so let's try to keep possible locations for the next game in spoiler tags, shall we? And plot information for that matter.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: kindofdoon on December 11, 2010, 05:15:49 PM
I wouldn't really consider any of that spoiler tag-worthy, because at this point it's still speculation.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on December 11, 2010, 05:24:35 PM
true... But also a reminder for the future.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on December 11, 2010, 11:55:17 PM
The plot element that supports the Revolutionary America theory is a very minor element. It's a comment that will leave you wondering, but it in no way will "spoil" you.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on December 12, 2010, 09:54:28 AM
The plot element that supports the Revolutionary America theory is a very minor element. It's a comment that will leave you wondering, but it in no way will "spoil" you.

Well, I do consider that spoiler worthy. If you're in the middle of brotherhood, like me, then you don't really want to know about plot details that happen later in the game. So if for the future, we could keep plot elements like that in spoiler tags for those that haven't yet finished brotherhood, that'd be great. Also, I'm sure there are some who haven't played either 1 or 2, so try to keep plot details from those games in spoiler tags as well.

But I do hope they announce the next AC soon. I realize brotherhood JUST came out less than a month ago, but they already said that another major AC game will be coming out in 2011, so an announcement has to be here by E3 2011, if not sooner. I expect the announcement will be made at E3, but I can always hope for an announcement before...
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on December 22, 2010, 01:51:03 PM
Steam is having their Holiday sale this week, and they have both Assassin's Creed 1 and 2 half off the normal price. A mighty fine deal, however, I consider the prices to still be kind of steep. The Deluxe version of AC2 on Steam is also on sale, and comes with all of the bonus content that has been released for the game. Just in case anyone is interested.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Baggins on December 23, 2010, 11:51:27 AM
Well all the bonus content except for those extra weapons in the PS3 version... (which they really should have an alternative way of unlocking). I really hate exclusives like that...
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on December 23, 2010, 01:00:12 PM
Well all the bonus content except for those extra weapons in the PS3 version... (which they really should have an alternative way of unlocking). I really hate exclusives like that...

You're not missing much with the PS3 weapons. They're mediocre at best, and relatively useless once you get the Sword of Altair. I do understand why one would be pissed at the weapons being withheld from non-PS3 players though. I for one feel a greater restraint from the DLC that was removed and then put into the PC version, and then the Deluxe PC version having the maps that prevent one from attaining the full synchronization.

I was contemplating the purchase of Assassin's Creed 2 for the PC, but I passed it up. I already played it once, and as good as it was, I probably wouldn't be able to stomach the process of getting everything again. I'm a dedicated perfectionist. I did however, buy Mass Effect 2 on Steam today. Only $10 for the regular version. Not a bad deal.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Baggins on December 23, 2010, 03:32:24 PM
I know, they aren't really useful. Its just that it would be nice to have a complete game. I hate when they split up the games, putting exclusive stuff on each version.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on December 24, 2010, 03:15:50 AM
I know, they aren't really useful. Its just that it would be nice to have a complete game. I hate when they split up the games, putting exclusive stuff on each version.

Yup, I know what you mean. Personally, I've tried to avoid getting the "complete game". That would involve me having a preorder for the Collector's Edition from Gamestop, and then buy all of the DLC when I get home. I usually get my games from Steam, but I try to avoid the Digital Deluxe versions. I think Assassin's Creed 2 has a decent deal, but 3 maps isn't nearly enough of an incentive to pay extra. I also don't thinking owning wallpapers, soundtracks, online strategy guides are essential from Digital Deluxe versions, considering you can get all of those things for free on the internet. As long as I get the same gameplay experience as everyone else, I'll be happy.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Baggins on December 24, 2010, 10:25:00 AM
The extra levels were definitely worth it in AC2... I do consider levels missing out on gameplay experience, :p.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on December 25, 2010, 06:11:38 PM
I'm a little steamed (haha, no pun intended) that the PS3 version of Brotherhood has exclusive missions. Whether or not those get brought over to the 360 I have no idea. I would hope so, but only time will tell. But I also have to wonder why Ubisoft withholds the release of the PC version until months after the console version. Is it truly necessary?
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on December 26, 2010, 01:31:54 AM
I for one, hope that the DLC for Fallout New Vegas comes to the PC, but it's exclusive to the 360 for the time being. So I know what you mean about the exclusive DLC for Brotherhood. As for the delayed PC version, I would say it's very necessary in the big scheme of things. From a business prospect, the team needs to make money, and the PC platform is very infamous for piracy. To avoid sales lost, the team would release the game exclusive to console platforms (even though the 360 has had its run-ins with piracy). The team would suffer from potential sales lost if the game was released on the PC from the get-go. That's my theory, anyhow. The game will be released on the PC eventually, but by then, any possible pirates that own a console would have bought and played the game already. The PC isn't as viable a platform for modern games. Most gamers prefer the convenience of a console.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: NW15 on February 20, 2011, 02:08:00 PM
Is there any assassin creed fans here?

If there are, do have any info in when Assassin Creed 3(I am not talking about assassin creed bother hood)

All I know and hear is that is it coming out sometime in November of this year, but I do not know anything else.

What do you think is going to happen in the next Assassin Creed?

I am thinking since Ezio was from the 1500 hundreds. In the new one, it might be in the 1800 or 1900 hundreds.
Also, I do not think Desmond Miles is a past life as well. The reason I think that is because of the beginning of assassin creed brotherhood. They talk about a dream within a dream and at the end during the credits they are different people talking. I know the game is base in the year 2012, but what if that from the past?
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on February 20, 2011, 04:35:38 PM
There is already an Assassin's creed thread on the forums. It's buried on another page, so I don't blame you for making this thread. I'm going to go ahead and merge it with the other.

EDIT: I have now merged the two Assassin's Creed threads into one. I'm a huge AC fan. Brotherhood is not considered 3. The way the developers have the series planned, any numerical game (IE 1, 2, etc) will star a new Assassin in a new time period. Brotherhood is just the extension of Ezio's story. I think you understand this though, based on what you said. I just felt like pointing it out  :P

Here (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/12/05/survey-gauges-interest-in-potential-future-assassins-creed-feat/) is an article that discusses possible new features for future AC titles. I like a lot of those ideas. And I think some of them are very likely to happen.

Are you saying that someone else is in an animus many years in the future living out Desmond's life, who is in turn living out the life of both Altair and Ezio? Thats certainly an intriguing theory, but I don't think there's much to back it up. Care to divulge why you believe this? It's definitely an interesting theory, and would turn out to be a very good plot twist. But I'm not entirely convinced that's where the series is heading at this point. Although, it has also been stated that AC is more a franchise than a trilogy. Desmond's story may (or may not) be wrapped up in 3 numerical games, but I have a feeling Ubisoft is going to extend the AC franchise even further. It would make sense for them to do so; it's popular enough right now that if they stopped at AC3, they'd be making a huge mistake, business wise. That being said, I'd honestly rather that Ubisoft not annualize the franchise. It's worked out so far, but somewhere down the line I fear they're going to make a mistake. Or, more likely, the franchise is just going to enter franchise fatigue, at which point Ubisoft should just let it rest for a couple of years.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: NW15 on February 20, 2011, 05:29:18 PM
There is already an Assassin's creed thread on the forums. It's buried on another page, so I don't blame you for making this thread. I'm going to go ahead and merge it with the other.

EDIT: I have now merged the two Assassin's Creed threads into one. I'm a huge AC fan. Brotherhood is not considered 3. The way the developers have the series planned, any numerical game (IE 1, 2, etc) will star a new Assassin in a new time period. Brotherhood is just the extension of Ezio's story. I think you understand this though, based on what you said. I just felt like pointing it out  :P

Here (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/12/05/survey-gauges-interest-in-potential-future-assassins-creed-feat/) is an article that discusses possible new features for future AC titles. I like a lot of those ideas. And I think some of them are very likely to happen.

Are you saying that someone else is in an animus many years in the future living out Desmond's life, who is in turn living out the life of both Altair and Ezio? Thats certainly an intriguing theory, but I don't think there's much to back it up. Care to divulge why you believe this? It's definitely an interesting theory, and would turn out to be a very good plot twist. But I'm not entirely convinced that's where the series is heading at this point. Although, it has also been stated that AC is more a franchise than a trilogy. Desmond's story may (or may not) be wrapped up in 3 numerical games, but I have a feeling Ubisoft is going to extend the AC franchise even further. It would make sense for them to do so; it's popular enough right now that if they stopped at AC3, they'd be making a huge mistake, business wise. That being said, I'd honestly rather that Ubisoft not annualize the franchise. It's worked out so far, but somewhere down the line I fear they're going to make a mistake. Or, more likely, the franchise is just going to enter franchise fatigue, at which point Ubisoft should just let it rest for a couple of years.
Sorry about that. I did not even think about checking other pages to see if there were threads about this.

Yes, that is what I am saying. At the beginning when they leave the truck they talk about a memory within a memory.  Am I allowed to post videos on here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9N_25wRKdY&feature=relmfu

if you watch the end of this video, they talk about memory within a memory and how pregnant women can experience.  They also, say Desmond experience once before too. So, I am guessing the person that is really under the animus is a pregnant women. 

I know the end of the credits they say put him back in the animus, but I get the feeling it is a memory within a memory. Not just one memory. Also, they are 2 different people talking during the credits


Tell what you think that part means? Any ideas?



Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on February 20, 2011, 05:52:37 PM
There is already an Assassin's creed thread on the forums. It's buried on another page, so I don't blame you for making this thread. I'm going to go ahead and merge it with the other.

EDIT: I have now merged the two Assassin's Creed threads into one. I'm a huge AC fan. Brotherhood is not considered 3. The way the developers have the series planned, any numerical game (IE 1, 2, etc) will star a new Assassin in a new time period. Brotherhood is just the extension of Ezio's story. I think you understand this though, based on what you said. I just felt like pointing it out  :P

Here (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/12/05/survey-gauges-interest-in-potential-future-assassins-creed-feat/) is an article that discusses possible new features for future AC titles. I like a lot of those ideas. And I think some of them are very likely to happen.

Are you saying that someone else is in an animus many years in the future living out Desmond's life, who is in turn living out the life of both Altair and Ezio? Thats certainly an intriguing theory, but I don't think there's much to back it up. Care to divulge why you believe this? It's definitely an interesting theory, and would turn out to be a very good plot twist. But I'm not entirely convinced that's where the series is heading at this point. Although, it has also been stated that AC is more a franchise than a trilogy. Desmond's story may (or may not) be wrapped up in 3 numerical games, but I have a feeling Ubisoft is going to extend the AC franchise even further. It would make sense for them to do so; it's popular enough right now that if they stopped at AC3, they'd be making a huge mistake, business wise. That being said, I'd honestly rather that Ubisoft not annualize the franchise. It's worked out so far, but somewhere down the line I fear they're going to make a mistake. Or, more likely, the franchise is just going to enter franchise fatigue, at which point Ubisoft should just let it rest for a couple of years.
Sorry about that. I did not even think about checking other pages to see if there were threads about this.

Yes, that is what I am saying. At the beginning when they leave the truck they talk about a memory within a memory.  Am I allowed to post videos on here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9N_25wRKdY&feature=relmfu

if you watch the end of this video, they talk about memory within a memory and how pregnant women can experience.  They also, say Desmond experience once before too. So, I am guessing the person that is really under the animus is a pregnant women. 

I know the end of the credits they say put him back in the animus, but I get the feeling it is a memory within a memory. Not just one memory. Also, they are 2 different people talking during the credits


Tell what you think that part means? Any ideas?

Don't worry about it. The thread was located on like the third page of the board. I wouldn't have gone digging myself honestly. The only reason I knew this thread existed was because I had posted in it many times before.

The way I understand the sequence you're talking about is more like this: They were talking about Subject 15, a previous test subject (Desmond is Subject 17. Subject 16 went crazy and has left all sorts of messages for you in both AC2 and AC:B). So I don't think someone is living out Desmond's life. At least, not a pregnant woman. They mention that Subject 15 was pregnant, and that could have been the cause for subject 15 experiencing a memory inside a memory. As for Desmond and Ezio, they state that Ezio's troubled state of mind (he's been wounded and passed out, after all) is likely being transposed to Desmond (remember The Bleeding Effect? Over-exposure to the Animus results in things from the animus mixing with reality. For example, they used the Bleeding Effect to their advantage while training Desmond. They had him experience Ezio's life, and while he did so, he was able to pick up not only his skills, but his techniques as well. The Bleeding Effect is also what caused Subject 16 to go crazy. He eventually couldn't tell what was reality and what was a memory; the two blended together seamlessly), which prohibits him from skipping to a later memory. Desmond has to live out that sequence in order to proceed through Ezio's life. Still, this is an interesting theory, and it would certainly be a nice plot twist if they revealed that someone is living through Desmond's life somewhere in the future using a more sophisticated Animus that doesn't have glitches or what not (both the animus 1 and animus 2.0 had small visible glitches here and there. In fact, there's an achievement in AC1 to see 80% of all the glitches).
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: NW15 on February 20, 2011, 06:07:44 PM
There is already an Assassin's creed thread on the forums. It's buried on another page, so I don't blame you for making this thread. I'm going to go ahead and merge it with the other.

EDIT: I have now merged the two Assassin's Creed threads into one. I'm a huge AC fan. Brotherhood is not considered 3. The way the developers have the series planned, any numerical game (IE 1, 2, etc) will star a new Assassin in a new time period. Brotherhood is just the extension of Ezio's story. I think you understand this though, based on what you said. I just felt like pointing it out  :P

Here (http://www.joystiq.com/2010/12/05/survey-gauges-interest-in-potential-future-assassins-creed-feat/) is an article that discusses possible new features for future AC titles. I like a lot of those ideas. And I think some of them are very likely to happen.

Are you saying that someone else is in an animus many years in the future living out Desmond's life, who is in turn living out the life of both Altair and Ezio? Thats certainly an intriguing theory, but I don't think there's much to back it up. Care to divulge why you believe this? It's definitely an interesting theory, and would turn out to be a very good plot twist. But I'm not entirely convinced that's where the series is heading at this point. Although, it has also been stated that AC is more a franchise than a trilogy. Desmond's story may (or may not) be wrapped up in 3 numerical games, but I have a feeling Ubisoft is going to extend the AC franchise even further. It would make sense for them to do so; it's popular enough right now that if they stopped at AC3, they'd be making a huge mistake, business wise. That being said, I'd honestly rather that Ubisoft not annualize the franchise. It's worked out so far, but somewhere down the line I fear they're going to make a mistake. Or, more likely, the franchise is just going to enter franchise fatigue, at which point Ubisoft should just let it rest for a couple of years.
Sorry about that. I did not even think about checking other pages to see if there were threads about this.

Yes, that is what I am saying. At the beginning when they leave the truck they talk about a memory within a memory.  Am I allowed to post videos on here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9N_25wRKdY&feature=relmfu

if you watch the end of this video, they talk about memory within a memory and how pregnant women can experience.  They also, say Desmond experience once before too. So, I am guessing the person that is really under the animus is a pregnant women. 

I know the end of the credits they say put him back in the animus, but I get the feeling it is a memory within a memory. Not just one memory. Also, they are 2 different people talking during the credits


Tell what you think that part means? Any ideas?

Don't worry about it. The thread was located on like the third page of the board. I wouldn't have gone digging myself honestly. The only reason I knew this thread existed was because I had posted in it many times before.

The way I understand the sequence you're talking about is more like this: They were talking about Subject 15, a previous test subject (Desmond is Subject 17. Subject 16 went crazy and has left all sorts of messages for you in both AC2 and AC:B). So I don't think someone is living out Desmond's life. At least, not a pregnant woman. They mention that Subject 15 was pregnant, and that could have been the cause for subject 15 experiencing a memory inside a memory. As for Desmond and Ezio, they state that Ezio's troubled state of mind (he's been wounded and passed out, after all) is likely being transposed to Desmond (remember The Bleeding Effect? Over-exposure to the Animus results in things from the animus mixing with reality. For example, they used the Bleeding Effect to their advantage while training Desmond. They had him experience Ezio's life, and while he did so, he was able to pick up not only his skills, but his techniques as well. The Bleeding Effect is also what caused Subject 16 to go crazy. He eventually couldn't tell what was reality and what was a memory; the two blended together seamlessly), which prohibits him from skipping to a later memory. Desmond has to live out that sequence in order to proceed through Ezio's life. Still, this is an interesting theory, and it would certainly be a nice plot twist if they revealed that someone is living through Desmond's life somewhere in the future using a more sophisticated Animus that doesn't have glitches or what not (both the animus 1 and animus 2.0 had small visible glitches here and there. In fact, there's an achievement in AC1 to see 80% of all the glitches).
That makes sense. I see what you mean.
Also, I was thinking what happen to the apple? Didn't Desmond have it? At the end of the credits, it sounds like they were still looking for it. Wouldn't you think Desmond would have taken with him. On less someone take from him. If that is the case why have him go back under the Animus?
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on February 20, 2011, 06:21:47 PM
I think he does the apple. I'll have to watch the cutscenes at the end again to refresh my memory, but if I remember correctly, Desmond does have the apple. Jupiter (or whoever's temple they went to at the end of Brotherhood) uses the apple in Desmond's hand to control him, stabbing (but not killing) Lucy. If you notice, he stabbed her, but we never see or hear her die. The game essentially ends with her still alive, though barely. So I think she'll be alive in the next game (or at least clinging to dear life). They also make it sound as if Lucy is a double-double agent. They seem to be alluding that Lucy is not who she claims to be (at least, that's what I can understand), or that The Assassin's have other plans in mind for Desmond that they aren't telling him about. Also, Desmond still has much to learn about the disaster that could befall the earth. They still don't know the locations of the other temples (I don't think), so Desmond may very well need to experience more memories from his Ancestors to find them. I've heard rumors that the third game may find you playing as a female Assassin during the American Revolution. Playing as a female has been a pretty popular request I believe, and the American Revolution is the time period that makes the most sense in some respects; a lot of the men are off fighting, while the women stay home.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Baggins on February 21, 2011, 02:05:02 AM
So steam now offers a cheap upgrade for AC2 now to turn it into Deluxe version.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: NW15 on February 21, 2011, 09:40:21 PM
I think he does the apple. I'll have to watch the cutscenes at the end again to refresh my memory, but if I remember correctly, Desmond does have the apple. Jupiter (or whoever's temple they went to at the end of Brotherhood) uses the apple in Desmond's hand to control him, stabbing (but not killing) Lucy. If you notice, he stabbed her, but we never see or hear her die. The game essentially ends with her still alive, though barely. So I think she'll be alive in the next game (or at least clinging to dear life). They also make it sound as if Lucy is a double-double agent. They seem to be alluding that Lucy is not who she claims to be (at least, that's what I can understand), or that The Assassin's have other plans in mind for Desmond that they aren't telling him about. Also, Desmond still has much to learn about the disaster that could befall the earth. They still don't know the locations of the other temples (I don't think), so Desmond may very well need to experience more memories from his Ancestors to find them. I've heard rumors that the third game may find you playing as a female Assassin during the American Revolution. Playing as a female has been a pretty popular request I believe, and the American Revolution is the time period that makes the most sense in some respects; a lot of the men are off fighting, while the women stay home.
I thought Lucy was dead. Just the him he stabbed her in the stomach and that way she fell on the floor.
Plus, like I said she and the others are not at the end of the credits. It is two guys.

Do have any idea who those 2 guys are and why they are with Desmond?
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Lambonius on February 21, 2011, 11:16:26 PM
Do have any idea who those 2 guys are and why they are with Desmond?

It seems like they're hinting that Desmond himself might be someone ELSE'S ancestor, and that Desmond reliving Ezio's life was a memory within a memory.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: NW15 on February 22, 2011, 02:03:11 AM
Do have any idea who those 2 guys are and why they are with Desmond?

It seems like they're hinting that Desmond himself might be someone ELSE'S ancestor, and that Desmond reliving Ezio's life was a memory within a memory.
That is what I thought too. But if you read what dark-daventry posted. He got some good points about it.

Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Lambonius on February 22, 2011, 08:00:04 AM
Do have any idea who those 2 guys are and why they are with Desmond?

It seems like they're hinting that Desmond himself might be someone ELSE'S ancestor, and that Desmond reliving Ezio's life was a memory within a memory.
That is what I thought too. But if you read what dark-daventry posted. He got some good points about it.



I'm not actually sure I understand  Dark daventry's explanation (DD, maybe you could elaborate.)  I think the memory-within-memory/Desmond is someone else's ancestor is EXACTLY the type of plot twist the series writers would throw in there.  It fits the mythology very well anyway. 
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: NW15 on February 22, 2011, 08:29:05 AM
Do have any idea who those 2 guys are and why they are with Desmond?

It seems like they're hinting that Desmond himself might be someone ELSE'S ancestor, and that Desmond reliving Ezio's life was a memory within a memory.
That is what I thought too. But if you read what dark-daventry posted. He got some good points about it.



I'm not actually sure I understand  Dark daventry's explanation (DD, maybe you could elaborate.)  I think the memory-within-memory/Desmond is someone else's ancestor is EXACTLY the type of plot twist the series writers would throw in there.  It fits the mythology very well anyway. 
I cannot explain it. I am not very good at explain things. You are going to have to let dark daventry explain what he means.

So, you are thinking like me? Now, Desmond is living in the year 2012 right? So, what year do you think game is going to base on? I am thinking may the year 2050 because they always say that the world is going to end that year if "2012" does not happen. 
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on February 22, 2011, 12:46:11 PM
I was referring mainly to the video that you posted, NW15. I believe the series could very well (and frankly, should) take that kind of plot twist. Again, the ending cutscenes for AC:B are not fresh in my mind, so I'd have to rewatch them to really formulate my thoughts. But based on memory alone, I'm positive that a pregnant woman is not reliving Desmond's life. They state very clearly in the clip you linked that they were referring to Subject 15, two test subjects before Desmond (Subject 17). It is possible that desmond is a memory within a memory, and it's also possible that it's not. We'll have to wait until they announce the next major AC game, which should happen by E3 in June at the latest. Considering it's been confirmed that another major AC game would be coming in 2011, the latest they could possibly announce said game would be E3 in june. Ideally though, they'd want to do it before that. Mayhaps GDC 2011 is a good place?
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Lambonius on February 22, 2011, 02:36:14 PM
I just love Assassin's Creed so much.  I hope they announce the game tomorrow and release it by Friday.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on February 22, 2011, 02:42:15 PM
I just love Assassin's Creed so much.  I hope they announce the game tomorrow and release it by Friday.

I love Assassin's Creed too. But I'd rather Ubisoft take their time developing each installment. Even if each installment is great, eventually people are going to tire of AC, especially if it follows a yearly release schedule. Annualizing a franchise, in my opinion, is more of a get rich quick scheme that works to some degree. The only real reason a franchise is annualized is because it's successful and popular, which is great. Most of the time, the first few annual releases are great. But over time people start to get tired seeing the same franchise come out year after year. I have no doubt the next few AC games are going to be great. But eventually it'll get to the point where people just don't want to play anymore, or take a break. Maybe that's just me though.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Lambonius on February 22, 2011, 05:08:52 PM
Lol...I know, dude.  I agree.  I was just being silly.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: NW15 on February 22, 2011, 07:20:44 PM
I must misunderstood. Sorry about that dark-daventry. :-[

Really in June is when they are going to announce more about the game? I cannot wait. ;D
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on February 23, 2011, 04:10:22 PM
I must misunderstood. Sorry about that dark-daventry. :-[

Really in June is when they are going to announce more about the game? I cannot wait. ;D

Why are you sorry? There's nothing to be sorry for. I misunderstand things all the time. We're all human. Unless you're a Grue or something. That'd be a different story.

Well E3 is in june, and that's the biggest video game event of the year. That's where the next best things are made public. Almost all next gen consoles are announced at the venue. Almost every major company in the industry (Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, EA, Activision, Ubisoft, etc) have press conferences where they announce their upcoming games, and in the case of Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo, there's usually some new hardware thrown in every five or six years. Previously, AC2 and AC:B were announced prior to E3. I'm just stating E3 as a deadline. If they are serious about releasing a new AC game in 2011, they HAVE to announce it by June. They can't possibly expect to get good sales after June. They have to have enough time to do PR. You see, this is the problem with annualizing a franchise. You're really relying on brand recognition alone. There's barely enough time to do PR work. Furthermore, you really have to start development concurrently with the other titles. I bet right now they're already hard at work on the next NEXT AC game. It only makes sense. They said that they started development on Brotherhood during the development of 2.

Lambomius, I know you were joking. There's no way you could possibly be serious about that. Unless you're a six year old kid who's had WAY too much sugar. Like a customer at Gamestop just the other night. I swear, this kid was on something. HE WAS ALL OVER THE PLACE!
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: NW15 on February 23, 2011, 06:33:10 PM
I must misunderstood. Sorry about that dark-daventry. :-[

Really in June is when they are going to announce more about the game? I cannot wait. ;D

Why are you sorry? There's nothing to be sorry for. I misunderstand things all the time. We're all human. Unless you're a Grue or something. That'd be a different story.

Well E3 is in june, and that's the biggest video game event of the year. That's where the next best things are made public. Almost all next gen consoles are announced at the venue. Almost every major company in the industry (Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, EA, Activision, Ubisoft, etc) have press conferences where they announce their upcoming games, and in the case of Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo, there's usually some new hardware thrown in every five or six years. Previously, AC2 and AC:B were announced prior to E3. I'm just stating E3 as a deadline. If they are serious about releasing a new AC game in 2011, they HAVE to announce it by June. They can't possibly expect to get good sales after June. They have to have enough time to do PR. You see, this is the problem with annualizing a franchise. You're really relying on brand recognition alone. There's barely enough time to do PR work. Furthermore, you really have to start development concurrently with the other titles. I bet right now they're already hard at work on the next NEXT AC game. It only makes sense. They said that they started development on Brotherhood during the development of 2.

Lambomius, I know you were joking. There's no way you could possibly be serious about that. Unless you're a six year old kid who's had WAY too much sugar. Like a customer at Gamestop just the other night. I swear, this kid was on something. HE WAS ALL OVER THE PLACE!
Thanks for understanding. ;D
Ya, they probably hard working hard on the next AC. Well, June is going to be here fast.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Lambonius on March 07, 2011, 10:37:23 AM
BUMP!

Have you guys seen THIS?!

I didn't even know anything about this til today.  Exciting!!

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/assassinscreedbrotherhoodthedavincidisappearance/video/6302252?tag=topslot;thumb;1
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Baggins on March 07, 2011, 11:30:37 AM
What I'd like to know is when Brotherhood comes out for the pc, :P
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: kindofdoon on March 07, 2011, 12:18:38 PM
Looks pretty cool. Though I'm getting really tired of Ezio, and rock music has no place in AC.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on March 07, 2011, 12:21:30 PM
BUMP!

Have you guys seen THIS?!

I didn't even know anything about this til today.  Exciting!!

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/assassinscreedbrotherhoodthedavincidisappearance/video/6302252?tag=topslot;thumb;1

Yes, I have heard about this, and am anxiously awaiting it. Although I'll be at PAX East the day it comes out, so there's a good chance I won't be able to download it for some time. I'll be too busy waiting in line for seven+ hours just to tinker with the 3DS. If I'm lucky.
Looks pretty cool. Though I'm getting really tired of Ezio, and rock music has no place in AC.

This is why I believe that the next AC game will not star Ezio and rather a new assassin in a new time period. At most, I can tolerate one final game with Ezio, though I feel as if Brotherhood wrapped his story up rather well. I think it's time we got a new assassin.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Lambonius on March 07, 2011, 12:24:45 PM
Looks pretty cool. Though I'm getting really tired of Ezio, and rock music has no place in AC.

Well surely you can't expect DLC for an Assassin's Creed game starring Ezio NOT to star Ezio?  ;)

Nah, I hear ya.  If this was AC3 I might be rolling my eyes, but it's just a bit of DLC...and it looks like it'll be a reasonably solid story, too.  Which is cool.  :)
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: kindofdoon on March 07, 2011, 01:47:15 PM
Oh, yeah, absolutely, it looks like great DLC.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on March 07, 2011, 02:55:30 PM
I've been playing Brotherhood lately, but I'm focusing more on the online multiplayer. Once I get sick of the multiplayer, I'll begin the storyline. I hear it's nothing short of amazing if not for the consistent plight of playing as Ezio (again). Still, it'll keep me occupied till the next game comes out. While I'm here though, is anybody playing the multiplayer on the PSN? My tag is Excifer, if anybody wants to play some matches.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on March 07, 2011, 04:44:09 PM
I've been playing Brotherhood lately, but I'm focusing more on the online multiplayer. Once I get sick of the multiplayer, I'll begin the storyline. I hear it's nothing short of amazing if not for the consistent plight of playing as Ezio (again). Still, it'll keep me occupied till the next game comes out. While I'm here though, is anybody playing the multiplayer on the PSN? My tag is Excifer, if anybody wants to play some matches.

I got the 360 version, so I can't play multiplayer with you. I have a PS3, I just like AC on the 360. The graphics are better on the 360 for this one series (well, at least with AC2).

I'm just glad they're finally getting single-player DLC for this game. And good DLC too. the DLC for 2 was kind of horrible.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on March 08, 2011, 01:54:25 AM
I've been playing Brotherhood lately, but I'm focusing more on the online multiplayer. Once I get sick of the multiplayer, I'll begin the storyline. I hear it's nothing short of amazing if not for the consistent plight of playing as Ezio (again). Still, it'll keep me occupied till the next game comes out. While I'm here though, is anybody playing the multiplayer on the PSN? My tag is Excifer, if anybody wants to play some matches.

I got the 360 version, so I can't play multiplayer with you. I have a PS3, I just like AC on the 360. The graphics are better on the 360 for this one series (well, at least with AC2).

I'm just glad they're finally getting single-player DLC for this game. And good DLC too. the DLC for 2 was kind of horrible.

No worries. It's perfectly understandable. The main reason I picked up the PS3, is because I don't have a 360. But it's also because of the Copernicus Conspiracy DLC that came with the game. I haven't gotten to yet, but it sounds good. I agree that the DLC for AC2 was pretty bad. It seemed "tacked" on.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Baggins on March 08, 2011, 02:18:52 AM
Ahh, well, I bought the AC2 collector's edition through Steam, that had the DLC preinstalled.

So I got to play through the entire game with the DLC there in the first place. From my perspective, it seemed like some of it was important to get the complete story, chronologically. Some of the DLC literally filled in a couple of missing chapters.

You can now get that DLC collector's content separately on the PC for a few bucks, for people to upgrade there regular editions.

Has there been anyword when Steam will be getting Brotherhood?
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: NW15 on March 08, 2011, 12:29:18 PM
I've been playing Brotherhood lately, but I'm focusing more on the online multiplayer. Once I get sick of the multiplayer, I'll begin the storyline. I hear it's nothing short of amazing if not for the consistent plight of playing as Ezio (again). Still, it'll keep me occupied till the next game comes out. While I'm here though, is anybody playing the multiplayer on the PSN? My tag is Excifer, if anybody wants to play some matches.
Yes, add me has a friend  :)

(Posted on: March 08, 2011, 11:26:45 AM)


I did not know about The Da Vinci Disappearance! How could I not know that. :o

Yes, as much as I love Ezio. I am definitely ready for a new assassin. ;D
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on March 08, 2011, 12:59:06 PM
Has there been anyword when Steam will be getting Brotherhood?

It says March 22nd on the site. You can preorder it now for some goodies.

Yes, add me has a friend ntf09. :)

Sure thing. I'll add you the next time I go on.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: NW15 on March 08, 2011, 01:09:37 PM
Has there been anyword when Steam will be getting Brotherhood?

It says March 22nd on the site. You can preorder it now for some goodies.

Yes, add me has a friend :)

Sure thing. I'll add you the next time I go on.
I cannot wait to download and play. ;D
Cool, see you there. ;D
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on April 12, 2011, 10:15:43 PM
I've been playing Brotherhood lately, but I'm focusing more on the online multiplayer. Once I get sick of the multiplayer, I'll begin the storyline. I hear it's nothing short of amazing if not for the consistent plight of playing as Ezio (again). Still, it'll keep me occupied till the next game comes out. While I'm here though, is anybody playing the multiplayer on the PSN? My tag is Excifer, if anybody wants to play some matches.

I got the 360 version, so I can't play multiplayer with you. I have a PS3, I just like AC on the 360. The graphics are better on the 360 for this one series (well, at least with AC2).

I'm just glad they're finally getting single-player DLC for this game. And good DLC too. the DLC for 2 was kind of horrible.

No worries. It's perfectly understandable. The main reason I picked up the PS3, is because I don't have a 360. But it's also because of the Copernicus Conspiracy DLC that came with the game. I haven't gotten to yet, but it sounds good. I agree that the DLC for AC2 was pretty bad. It seemed "tacked" on.

That's because it was. Basically, to have the game come out on time, they cut out sequences 13 and 14 and released them as DLC post-release. With Brotherhood, they appear to be doing DLC correctly. I just hope they keep the single player DLC coming.

(Posted on: March 08, 2011, 04:57:22 PM)


Some interesting information I've come across. Yves Guillemot, the CEO of Ubisoft, pretty much just confirmed (http://www.kotaku.com.au/2011/04/new-assassins-creed-this-year-claims-ubisofts-ceo/) that a new AC game is coming this year. According to an entry in the Assassin's Creed Wiki (http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Master_Sima_Yi/Assassin%27s_Creed_III_in_2011%3F) (I realize that's hardly concrete evidence, but it's better than nothing for me), more information surrounding the new game this year will be announced in May. I'm happy to see it may be announced before E3, but only by a month. They may as well just move it to E3 at this point... Now that I'd complain about an earlier reveal.

Out of curiosity, does anyone believe that AC will end with AC3? They've stated that it's a trilogy (barring any side games and "expansions" like Brotherhood), one that would end next year. Whether or not the game scheduled for 2011 is AC3 I don't know, but regardless of that, does anyone believe Ubisoft is going to get out while they are ahead? I'm torn on this myself; I want the series to end well, but at the same time, I kind of want it to continue beyond 3. And not in side games; I'll take an NGP AC title, but that's as low as I'll go. I guess it depends on a lot of factors. I have a feeling this "trilogy" is only desmond's story, and that we may yet see more AC games, just with a different character in some time period, be it 2012 or sometime before/after. I mean, AC is a big franchise for Ubisoft. I'd imagine they'd want to continue it somehow... In any case, we haven't reached the end yet, and we've got some great news coming this way, if the internet is to be believed.

Also, has anyone tried out Assassin's Creed: Project Legacy on facebook? I recently (about five hours ago) got addicted to it... I didn't think I would. It does give some interesting background on the series, and apparently a new mission pack is coming soon. The thing that really intrigues me about Project Legacy is that it doesn't use The Animus; the test subjects are in something called the DDS, which, from what I can ascertain, allows one to relive the memories of someone else's genetic ancestor; it's like the Animus, but not quite the same. it's an intriguing concept that I have to wonder if Ubisoft will employ in any of the games.

EDIT: I just did some further research, and it turns out that Ubisoft is planning some big DLC for Brotherhood. Apparently, Brotherhood was going to be DLC originally, but they decided to make it it's own game. Now, that may be the case with the game coming out this year. Either that, or it's just going to be a giant DLC pack. Or it could be AC3. Either way, this is all from research I've done on the official forums; I obviously can't confirm any of it. My source can be found here (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5251069024/m/2661070029).
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Lambonius on April 13, 2011, 09:28:15 AM
The Da Vinci Disappearance was really good, but ultimately was over much quicker than I'd have liked.  Of course, this is really only a testament to how good it was, rather than it actually being too short.  It was worth the money though, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on April 13, 2011, 09:51:39 AM
The Da Vinci Disappearance was really good, but ultimately was over much quicker than I'd have liked.  Of course, this is really only a testament to how good it was, rather than it actually being too short.  It was worth the money though, in my opinion.

I still have to get that; I've been busy with school lately and haven't had the time to get it. I really want to though.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Baggins on April 19, 2011, 07:55:28 AM
I seriously wish they would go back and update AC2 with a mission replay mode like in the original and Brotherhood.

As I understand it the next game to be released is for the 3DS, AC: Lost Legacy. It's going to involve Ezio going back to the Assasin city from the original AC and learning a bit about his ancestors.

I don't think we can expect the next major console AC for the next couple of years, but will be pleasantly surprised if it comes out sooner.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Lambonius on April 19, 2011, 12:24:23 PM

As I understand it the next game to be released is for the 3DS, AC: Lost Legacy.

3DS??  Uggggghhhhhh....  ::)

*insert sound of explosive bowel evacuation here*
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Big C from Cauney island on April 19, 2011, 08:17:46 PM
I just got brotherhood. AC2 was awesome, very shocked. cool story. They even showed some "you know what" in the beginning of brotherhood. I wish I was Ezio sometimes. Lucky guy. 
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: wilco64256 on April 19, 2011, 08:49:18 PM
LOL@ "You know what"
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Lambonius on April 19, 2011, 10:46:15 PM
They even showed some "you know what" in the beginning of brotherhood.

Cannonballs?
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Big C from Cauney island on April 20, 2011, 10:45:46 AM
They even showed some "you know what" in the beginning of brotherhood.

Cannonballs?


Sure, cannonballs. Whatever you say. I call it something else.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on April 21, 2011, 01:49:34 PM
Actually, Ubisoft said that the next "big" AC game is coming this year. The 3DS game doesn't count in that. When they say "big" AC game, they're almost always referring to a console game. Brotherhood counts as being "big" because it advanced the main plot. The handheld games have all explored backstory rather than advancing the plot. I'm excited to see Lost Legacy, as I'd like to see Ezio travel to Masayef (how do you spell that? I know I got it wrong...), but I want to see the next big AC game first. We're supposed to learn more next month.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Baggins on April 22, 2011, 12:15:12 PM
If they said that then they must of change things, as the last article I read quoting Ubisoft was not to expect a release of Assasin's Creed 3 this year. I'll try to Give a link to the article.

Other articles have mentioned they do plan to show Lost Legacy at E3. I do agree it isn't a big release.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on April 22, 2011, 12:24:19 PM
If they said that then they must of change things, as the last article I read quoting Ubisoft was not to expect a release of Assasin's Creed 3 this year. I'll try to Give a link to the article.

Other articles have mentioned they do plan to show Lost Legacy at E3. I do agree it isn't a big release.

If you can provide a link, that'd be great. The latest article's I've read had said otherwise... this (http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Master_Sima_Yi/Assassin%27s_Creed_III_in_2011%3F) article, for example. this IGN article (http://ps2.ign.com/articles/114/1149554p1.html), though dated in February, also makes it sound as if it's a main game. Honestly, I'm not 100% convinced that Lost Legacy is the game, unless they're turning it from a 3DS exclusive to a multi-platform title for the PS3 and 360. Which, come to think of it, may not neccesarrily be too far fetched... you never know what could happen...
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Baggins on April 23, 2011, 06:30:27 AM
Well I hope they do announce it, show pictures, video, etc. But does that mean it's still ready to be released this year?

If it does get released this year I bet I'll have to wait even longer for the pc version, as has been the case for previous games.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on April 24, 2011, 03:53:51 PM
Well I hope they do announce it, show pictures, video, etc. But does that mean it's still ready to be released this year?

If it does get released this year I bet I'll have to wait even longer for the pc version, as has been the case for previous games.

Absolutely this year. With the way Ubisoft's been talking, they're saying another AC game is coming this year. That means release. They publicly stated during the development of either II or Brotherhood that they've annualized the franchise now. Either way, I'm really hoping to find out just what this game is...
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Lambonius on April 24, 2011, 04:53:19 PM
Ugh.  I, for one, hope to God that AC3 does NOT come out this year.

The absolute worst thing that could happen to the franchise would be "annualizing" it.  That would mean the same s****y game rehashed yearly with only minor character/environment/graphical/gameplay updates.

Please, Ubisoft, wait a few years.  Let the technology and genre mature, and then bring out something that will blow the lid off the franchise as we know it.

Quality over quantity, guys.  Seriously.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on April 24, 2011, 04:56:54 PM
Ugh.  I, for one, hope to God that AC3 does NOT come out this year.

The absolute worst thing that could happen to the franchise would be "annualizing" it.  That would mean the same s****y game rehashed yearly with only minor character/environment/graphical/gameplay updates.

Please, Ubisoft, wait a few years.  Let the technology and genre mature, and then bring out something that will blow the lid off the franchise as we know it.

Quality over quantity, guys.  Seriously.

I agree. If they want to take Kingdom Hearts' approach and release side games on mobile platforms in-between the big releases, that'd be welcome by me. That way, the franchise still stays with people, and a different team can develop it. Whether they're going to do that or not, I have no idea.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Lambonius on April 24, 2011, 07:03:57 PM
Yeah, side games are fine.  I'm even okay with the occasional Brotherhood-type spin-off game, but I love this franchise too much to want to see it go the way of the Call of Duty or Halo games and just become yearly releases of the same game with new packaging.  I was okay with Brotherhood because AC2 was just so good and Ezio such a great character that I was totally up for another full-length game's worth of additional material.  But I wouldn't want to do it AGAIN, necessarily.

I wholeheartedly hope they wait a year or so at least for AC3, and really put out something that ups the ante for the franchise.

I worry though, because past experience has shown that Ubisoft are one of those "safe" developers, that hit on a winning formula and then are afraid to change it at all.  See the Prince of Persia trilogy or the Brothers in Arms games for prime examples of this.  I worry that they won't want to take the risk of pushing the envelope with AC3 and that the game will ultimately suffer for it.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on April 29, 2011, 07:30:16 PM
Yeah, side games are fine.  I'm even okay with the occasional Brotherhood-type spin-off game, but I love this franchise too much to want to see it go the way of the Call of Duty or Halo games and just become yearly releases of the same game with new packaging.  I was okay with Brotherhood because AC2 was just so good and Ezio such a great character that I was totally up for another full-length game's worth of additional material.  But I wouldn't want to do it AGAIN, necessarily.

I wholeheartedly hope they wait a year or so at least for AC3, and really put out something that ups the ante for the franchise.

Well Brotherhood also had some important plot information too. The way I see it, any console game is a "main" game. within that, any numbered game is a new assassin in a new time period. any subtitled game is an expansion of a previous game. then any handheld game is just a side story.

(Posted on: April 24, 2011, 09:06:18 PM)


So, the next AC game is very likely to be a console release. An article from Joystiq (http://www.joystiq.com/2011/04/29/ubisoft-calls-on-the-community-to-reveal-next-assassins-creed-g/) states that a teaser was posted on Facebook a little prematurely. NeoGaf (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=428872) has outed the game as Assassin's Creed: Revelations, and one of the pictures there contains arabic text. When translated and reversed, it is Altair's full name. So one of two things appears to be happening: 1. We're going back to the days of Altair, likely after the events of AC1. 2. The plot description that was supposedly leaked for Lost Legacy, in which Ezio travels to Masayef, was actually for Revaltions, not Lost Legacy. Or, something else entirely is going on. Either way, it's looking like this won't be AC3. Also, the May issue of Game Informer is supposed to have a cover story. Once my copy of Game Informer for May comes in, I'll scan it. Granted, my copy tends to come in rather late, but I'll scan it for everyone anyway.

EDIT: The facebook page can be found here (http://www.facebook.com/assassinscreed?sk=app_150031305061905).

EDIT 2: The wonders of YouTube... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSmRhNbmtWM)
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Baggins on May 01, 2011, 10:53:07 AM
Title renaming? Or the 3DS game is a tie-in and both stories will connect in some way?

Actually many of the portable games tied into the console games in some way and given further explanation in the console games.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on May 05, 2011, 12:00:37 PM
And now it's official (http://www.joystiq.com/2011/05/05/assassins-creed-revelations-concludes-ezios-story-this-novemb/): Assassin's Creed: Revelations, releasing this November, will conclude Ezio's story as he travels to the Ottoman Empire. The game, for the first time in the franchise's history, will allow you to play as THREE characters, all set across three different timelines. You'll play as Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad in the 12th Century, Ezio Auditore Da Firenze in the 15th Century, and Desmond Miles in the year 2012. The game also introduces a climbing hook. And of course, multiplayer will return. The June issue of Game Informer has this game as it's cover story. I wonder what E3 will have on this game; no doubt Ubisoft will capitalize on this game during it's press conference.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Baggins on May 05, 2011, 12:08:58 PM
Climbing hook? Rope arrows analogue? Thinking to much of Thief series, lol.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Lambonius on May 05, 2011, 05:26:52 PM
As much as I love Assassin's Creed--especially II and Brotherhood, I'm finding myself more annoyed than excited about this.  Ezio has had his day, and Altair was never interesting to begin with.  This "trilogy" is nothing but a moneygrub from Ubisoft, who is now officially doing the same thing with Assassin's Creed that it did with Prince of Persia, which is to say, they are producing three identical games without making any major changes to the formula or engine.  Gag me.  I would bet money that this game won't score higher than the 7 out of 10 range on most major review sites, and the main reason cited will be that it doesn't do anything new.

Mod edit - watch your language please :D
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on May 05, 2011, 09:43:24 PM
I wouldn't go quite that far, Lambonius. It does have one very interesting new thing going for it, one that the franchise hasn't seen yet: three playable characters, all of which are from three very distinctly different time periods. I'm actually interested in seeing how this pans out. Besides, all we have so far is very little information from a magazine that hasn't even hit shelves yet. We're going to learn more about the game once the june issue of Game Informer comes out, and you never know what kind of surprises Ubisoft has in store.

One issue I see is the following: This definitely isn't the last AC game; I'm willing to bet that we'll get AC3 next year, with a new assassin in a new time period (I'm also willing to bet said assassin will be female, as it's a fairly frequent request from what I can glean). All that's well and good, but the series was meant to be a trilogy; what happens when 2013 hits? Will there be an AC4, another spin off, or will Ubisoft just end the franchise? I can't see them ending the franchise, considering how much money it's made them and how well both 2 and brotherhood have been received. But the guy who created the series, Patrice Desilets (or however you spell his name) left Ubisoft, and intended this only to be a trilogy; I don't know if he had anything after 3 mapped out. The question is whether any games after 3 will be any good, or if the quality will dip. I'm willing to give the franchise the benefit of the doubt for both Revelations and 3, but afterwards, I worry. In the off chance that Ubisoft ends the series at 3, then annualizing the franchise was really just a get-rich-quick scheme that actually worked. Annualizing a franchise only to end it a couple of years later is pointless. Almost as pointless as Disney announcing an awesome Pirates of the Carribean RPG and then canceling it six months later (true story, btw). So I don't see Ubisoft ending the AC franchise at 3, sadly. But I really am worried about the quality of the series after 3. Consequently, because Patrice left, I'm even more worried. But I'm also more interested in what he'll be doing for THQ.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: kindofdoon on May 06, 2011, 03:42:26 AM
I want a new assassin! Al-tair and Ezio are really cool and good, but they are no longer interesting! The series could go anywhere on Earth at any time...and we're stuck with the same guys, again.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Lambonius on May 06, 2011, 09:48:17 AM
You mean three playable characters that we've already played before in the series, and who all control and play EXACTLY THE SAME??  Yeah, wow.  Awesome way to shake things up, Ubisoft.   ::)
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: wilco64256 on May 06, 2011, 10:20:20 AM
I'd actually be happy just to be able to play as Desmond for more than 5% of the whole game.  There's some interesting stuff that's been happening to him in his own time and I'd like to see more of where that's going.

And I really don't mind playing the same characters again - I'm more interested in the story that Assassin's Creed is building and how much effort they put into blending the game into real history.  Just heading to another brand new location is plenty of change for me at the moment.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Lambonius on May 06, 2011, 02:33:39 PM
...how much effort they put into blending the game into real history. 

This really is what makes the series amazing.  The gameplay itself is still rather repetitive, even in Brotherhood.

With that idea in mind, I have to wonder why we'd ever want to spend a lot of time with Desmond at all.  They are really going to have to do something awesome to make me give a crap about Desmond.  So far in each game, even Brotherhood, where he had a larger role, the Desmond bits were hands down the most boring parts of the game, in my opinion.  I found myself rushing through them as quickly as humanly possible to get back to the actual INTERESTING stuff--i.e. the whole adventuring through historical periods bit.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on May 08, 2011, 02:31:17 PM
...how much effort they put into blending the game into real history. 

This really is what makes the series amazing.  The gameplay itself is still rather repetitive, even in Brotherhood.

With that idea in mind, I have to wonder why we'd ever want to spend a lot of time with Desmond at all.  They are really going to have to do something awesome to make me give a crap about Desmond.  So far in each game, even Brotherhood, where he had a larger role, the Desmond bits were hands down the most boring parts of the game, in my opinion.  I found myself rushing through them as quickly as humanly possible to get back to the actual INTERESTING stuff--i.e. the whole adventuring through historical periods bit.

I disagree; for some reason, I actually found the Desmond bits the most interesting part of the game. I like Desmond as a character, and I just wish we could explore more his time period. As for this game, it's by no means the end of the series; Assassin's Creed 3 will almost definitely introduce us to a new Assassin, so there will be some new stuff there.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Lambonius on May 08, 2011, 03:18:01 PM
Did you guys see this article from IGN?  It has their picks for possible time periods for AC3 to be set in.  I have to say, I absolutely LOVE their ideas.  My personal favorite is still Colonial-era America, but all of their ideas are well-conceived and damn interesting.  They've also got some cool concept sketches, too.  All hypothetical and speculative, but very interesting nonetheless.  I'm curious about you guys' thoughts on these ideas.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/116/1166504p1.html
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on May 08, 2011, 05:30:31 PM
I'm a little late to the discussion, but I'm gonna have to agree with Lambonius. Knowing me, I'm going to get Revelations and will probably try to get 100% Synch like I have with the other games, but Ezio is getting kind of old. Also, three playable characters? Hopefully, they will be more drawn out. Technically, Assassin's Creed II had three playable characters, but Desmond just walked from point A to point B, and Altair was just following Maria in a dream sequence. If they are going to play out this three playable character hype, I want all three characters to share development throughout the game.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Lambonius on May 08, 2011, 06:31:56 PM
I agree with Fierce Deity.  I'd also like them to get an new, accent-appropriate voice actor for Altair, since is voice acting sucked in the first game.  ;)
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: kindofdoon on May 08, 2011, 07:11:03 PM
Great article, Lambonius. The first three ideas are AWESOME, though all clichéd to some extent. Nonetheless, I would love to play see any of the three ideas realized. But Modern New York? Well, that doesn't make any sense because the point of the series is to use the Animus to send people back in time to relive their ancestors' lives.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Lambonius on May 08, 2011, 08:00:26 PM
Great article, Lambonius. The first three ideas are AWESOME, though all clichéd to some extent. Nonetheless, I would love to play see any of the three ideas realized. But Modern New York? Well, that doesn't make any sense because the point of the series is to use the Animus to send people back in time to relive their ancestors' lives.

Another reason Modern New York doesn't quite fit is that the first two games are clearly set in EUROPE.  :)  If you look carefully out the windows in AC2's present-day hideout, you can see Italian architecture that suggests Florence or some other Italian city.  It's more ambiguous in AC1, but given the second game and Brotherhood, they clearly are intending the series to take place in Europe during the present day.  Now that doesn't mean they couldn't travel to America, but the travel would have to be explained in the plot somehow.

Also, I think the article was suggesting that Modern New York would be one of two or more possible time periods for the same game.  A great idea, in my opinion--though not necessarily New York per se.  But think of how sweet it would be to be able to get in and out of the Animus at will and not just walk around your present day hideout but actually go out and explore the present-day city.  That would be awesome.  A great plot idea would be to explore the same city in both the present and at some point in the past--and perhaps you had to unlock secrets in the past that would lead you to things in the present...it could be a great time-travel-like dynamic for the game.  It definitely has possibilities.  :)

I'm actually more skeptical of the Old West as a setting--mainly because the game would automatically draw so many comparisons to Red Dead Redemption.  I'm not certain Ubisoft could pull off the Old West all that well.  However, I DO think that the Civil War era Deep South could make for an AWESOME setting.  Think Gone With The Wind era Atlanta or Charleston.  Those cities would be AMAZING places to explore in that time period.  Anyone who's been to Charleston in particular knows just how much awesome history there is to work with there.  Fort Sumter, Magnolia Plantation, Rainbow Row....sigh....God, I love Charleston.  lol
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on May 08, 2011, 08:10:21 PM
From what I understand, Altair's sequences will be a little different; Ezio is able to relive Altair's memories through "seals" that he gets throughout the game. These seals will work in much the same way that Desmond experiences Ezio's memories through the Animus. A memory within a memory, anyone? All of this is from the new Game Informer, which, while I don't presently have, some of the details were leaked to Joystiq (http://www.joystiq.com/2011/05/06/assassins-creed-revelations-details-from-gi-hookblades-bom/). I'm very intrigued by the mention of L.A. Noire like facial capture. And I'm so much a sucker for the AC series that I've actually reserved the game already. I was the first person at my Gamestop to reserve it. I'm probably going to be the only one for a while, too.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on May 08, 2011, 08:50:01 PM
I like the idea of having a triple-tiered gameplay experience, but this seems too much like Inception. A memory within a memory? Oh well, like I said, as long as all three characters get equal face-time, I'm all in. But Ubisoft better make this the last Ezio game, cause this is the last straw.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: wilco64256 on May 08, 2011, 08:54:02 PM
Well based on the ending of Brotherhood...

There's some doubt that Desmond himself is even real.  Those comments about forcing someone back into the Animus?  Maybe someone else or maybe someone who Abstergo is forcing to experience what Desmond went through for some reason.  Remains to be seen...
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on May 08, 2011, 08:55:00 PM
I like the idea of having a triple-tiered gameplay experience, but this seems too much like Inception. A memory within a memory? Oh well, like I said, as long as all three characters get equal face-time, I'm all in. But Ubisoft better make this the last Ezio game, cause this is the last straw.

In terms of console games, I'm pretty sure this is the last Ezio game. The way the AC franchise works is that every numbered game will star a new assassin in a new time period, and I'm almost positive that Revelations will be the last "sequel" to AC2. I think I can make a pretty safe bet that we'll be getting Assassin's Creed 3 next year.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on May 10, 2011, 01:54:06 PM
Well based on the ending of Brotherhood...

There's some doubt that Desmond himself is even real.  Those comments about forcing someone back into the Animus?  Maybe someone else or maybe someone who Abstergo is forcing to experience what Desmond went through for some reason.  Remains to be seen...

Yeah, but Desmond's timeline isn't far off from "the end" in 2012. If someone is reliving Desmond's life, then it would be suggesting that the "end of the world" really wasn't much of an end to the world.

I think I can make a pretty safe bet that we'll be getting Assassin's Creed 3 next year.

Let's hope so.

(Posted on: May 09, 2011, 03:57:15 PM)


Here's some scans that show off in detail the new concepts of the game. I have to say, the scans have made me a little more excited for this game, but just a little.  :P

http://gamingeverything.com/?p=4190
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: wilco64256 on May 11, 2011, 06:36:30 PM
Finally had a chance to read through the article - I am really excited for this game now.  It's good to hear that they're going to be wrapping up loose ends with Altair and Ezio.  And I'm very interested to see how everything plays out with Desmond and what he's up to in the Animus itself as well.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on May 14, 2011, 02:09:06 PM
After reading that article myself, I am now more interested than I was. And oh man, was I interested before! I was the first person in my gamestop to reserve the game. I feel very proud of that!
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on May 15, 2011, 04:55:45 AM
I am happy that they are focusing so much on the single-player experience still. I was dreading the idea of them being so full of themselves with how good the multiplayer was that they would make Assassin's Creed the next Call of Duty. In other words, have the same multiplayer, tack on a 6 hour long tutorial and then call it a year.  ::)
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on May 15, 2011, 10:30:14 AM
I am happy that they are focusing so much on the single-player experience still. I was dreading the idea of them being so full of themselves with how good the multiplayer was that they would make Assassin's Creed the next Call of Duty. In other words, have the same multiplayer, tack on a 6 hour long tutorial and then call it a year.  ::)

Something tells me Ubisoft isn't going to go that route; I just have this feeling that they realize that the single player plot and experience comes first above all else, and the multiplayer is more of an after-thought. Hopefully, at least.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on May 15, 2011, 07:48:18 PM
Something tells me Ubisoft isn't going to go that route; I just have this feeling that they realize that the single player plot and experience comes first above all else, and the multiplayer is more of an after-thought. Hopefully, at least.

I've come to that conclusion. It's just, most games that put a lot of focus on the multiplayer tend to neglect the single player campaign. I liked Brotherhood's multiplayer, and thought it was very intuitive. But I don't think I need to explain to my fellow "point-and-click" adventurers just how important a story is to a game.  ;)
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Lambonius on May 15, 2011, 08:03:18 PM
Story alone cannot carry a game.  Just look at Telltale's 30 dollar "f*** you" to their fans, Back to the Future: The Game.

What makes Assassin's Creed kick ass is the amazing and huge living world to explore, and the tons of things to do, all tied together with a killer story.  And it sounds like this game is going to deliver on those fronts, so I'm cool with it.  Just sayin'.  :)
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on May 15, 2011, 08:11:38 PM
Story alone cannot carry a game.  Just look at Telltale's 30 dollar "f*** you" to their fans, Back to the Future: The Game.

What makes Assassin's Creed kick ass is the amazing and huge living world to explore, and the tons of things to do, all tied together with a killer story.  And it sounds like this game is going to deliver on those fronts, so I'm cool with it.  Just sayin'.  :)


I agree. A story alone is not enough to justify praise, but I feel more attached to games when there is a good story. I like Assassin's Creed because of the gameplay as well. Mainly, the combat system. Ever since the first AC game, I learned how to parry, counter, evade, and disarm the enemies I fought. I always laugh when I see a video of someone playing AC and they're just mashing the attack button. I figure that that might be the reason why Ubisoft made it easier to kill guards in Brotherhood by chaining your counters together, thus dispatching an entire force of guards in only a few seconds. Still, the combat is by far better than most action-adventure games.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: kindofdoon on May 15, 2011, 10:01:25 PM
...all tied together with a killer story.

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b22/RandomHer0/meme/pfftch.jpg)
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Lambonius on May 15, 2011, 10:13:53 PM
...all tied together with a killer story.

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b22/RandomHer0/meme/pfftch.jpg)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3057/2367515373_515ff7a325.jpg)

(Posted on: May 16, 2011, 12:11:01 AM)



I agree. A story alone is not enough to justify praise, but I feel more attached to games when there is a good story. I like Assassin's Creed because of the gameplay as well. Mainly, the combat system. Ever since the first AC game, I learned how to parry, counter, evade, and disarm the enemies I fought. I always laugh when I see a video of someone playing AC and they're just mashing the attack button. I figure that that might be the reason why Ubisoft made it easier to kill guards in Brotherhood by chaining your counters together, thus dispatching an entire force of guards in only a few seconds. Still, the combat is by far better than most action-adventure games.

Interesting.  I've always considered the melee combat to be Assassin Creed's weak point.  It is completely formulaic and has absolutely no challenge value to it.  Every enemy can be beaten the same way: Hold Block, Wait to Counter, Rinse, Repeat.  It has always been the most monotonous part of the games for me.  I was overjoyed when Brotherhood introduced chained attacks because it meant combat was OVER more quickly.  :)

I really wish Assassin's Creed had reflex-based combat, where you actually had to use skill to out-fight your opponents, thrusting, slashing, jumping, blocking, and dodging organically instead of just holding a button and waiting for your character to perform his canned insta-kill animation.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on May 16, 2011, 12:03:22 AM
I felt like there were times where you did have to pay attention to your enemies' moves though. In Assassin's Creed II, they had guards that used polearms and you couldn't counter-kill them with a sword. You had to be barehanded and disarm them, then you could insta-kill them. I can see why people would consider it too slow and repetitive, but I liked how it wasn't "Mash X till everyone is dead." I've been a big fan of Devil May Cry and God of War, but even those games can get monotonous. That's why I tried to really master the combat in Assassin's Creed, despite how long it may take to end a fight.

Anyway, Revelations is apparently going to use the Hookblade to speed up combat even more. Basically, you can latch on to a guard and use him to wipe out everybody else. Sounds fun.  :suffer:
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Lambonius on May 16, 2011, 10:11:07 AM
Yeah, I think one of the problems with games like God of War is that they ARE pure button mashers.  Ninja Gaiden is the only action game I can think of where combat was really really skill based.  You absolutely HAD to master every one of Ryu's moves to make it through that game--and it was HARD--but extremely satisfying when you did it.

If Assassin's Creed could just lean a little more in that direction then I think it'd have a great balance of strategy/reflex in the combat.  As it is now though, it really feels too formulaic and repetitive.  It's like, "oh, here's a normal enemy--hold block, hit counter, insta-kill."  "Oh, here's a shielded enemy, sheath weapon, hit disarm, insta-kill."  And those are basically the only variations on it.  In Brotherhood, they essentially replaced disarm with the kick move, which does the same thing basically, except that you have to hit one more button afterwards to do the insta-kill.  I don't get the argument that it takes much thought.  Sure, it's not a button-masher, but at least in button-mashers like God of War, you actually occasionally have to dodge, block, roll, jump, etc.  You don't have to do anything of the sort in Assassin's Creed.  Every combat scenario is always the same, one of the two variations above--wash, rinse, repeat.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on May 16, 2011, 01:53:29 PM
I guess it's debatable. I just like how refreshing it was from the typical action-adventure. I agree that Ninja Gaiden requires a lot of skill, but even I found a select group of moves that I would abuse to death just to get through a battle, and for the most part, it was successful. Flying Swallow comes to mind, and I believe there was a counter attack that was available when blocking as well. I don't believe it had the same mechanics, but it was equally effective in my opinion. Even in God of War, Kratos would get a counter attack that would allow you to slam the ground and stun your enemies. I abused that too. I always try to understand the combat system for the most part, but in Assassin's Creed, mashing the attack buttons isn't as effective as it is in other games. That's why I like how it requires you to pay attention, and learn the enemies' moves. Perhaps I'm giving it too much thought. It might be as mindless as you say, but the game still has all of the trappings of a fine game.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Lambonius on May 16, 2011, 04:12:05 PM
Right.  And I'm not trying to say it's totally mindless--it's still a far sight better than many games--I just think there is definite room for improvement.  I think it would be awesome if they could rework it a bit so it brought in some of the best elements of more fluid, reflex-based action games, but maybe that's just me.  :)
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on May 17, 2011, 03:23:37 AM
I would like it if they implemented the combat systems that Prince of Persia had. Then the combat system would feel more acrobatic, and not just feel like a duel. Still, I think Ubisoft has already adapted to a specific style. So it seems like skill-based mechanics might not make it into the series anytime soon. Especially with them announcing that the Hookblade will only make the fights easier and quicker. Maybe when Desmond learns from a new ancestor, he can learn a new combat system.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Lambonius on May 17, 2011, 12:55:15 PM
I would like it if they implemented the combat systems that Prince of Persia had. Then the combat system would feel more acrobatic, and not just feel like a duel. Still, I think Ubisoft has already adapted to a specific style. So it seems like skill-based mechanics might not make it into the series anytime soon. Especially with them announcing that the Hookblade will only make the fights easier and quicker. Maybe when Desmond learns from a new ancestor, he can learn a new combat system.

Well, I will say this for the system--one thing it DOES do is give the impression that Ezio is a master fighter, since he can pretty much consistently wipe the floor with any enemy.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: NW15 on May 18, 2011, 07:39:52 PM
I have been reading articles about Assassin Creed Revelations and I am very excited about this game.

So, I am guessing with this game we are going to find out if Desmond is a memory himself.  At the end of davinci disappearance
the two guys at the end say Desmond seems to be is some short of coma. Also,did they come and take Desmond away and what happen to the apple?

If Desmond is a memory, what kind of memory is he? the way the end the davinci disappearance it is hard to tell whether or not he is a memory because the two guys just left him.

Do you think the guys are Templars or Assassins?
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on May 19, 2011, 04:20:23 AM
I have been reading articles about Assassin Creed Revelations and I am very excited about this game.

So, I am guessing with this game we are going to find out if Desmond is a memory himself.  At the end of davinci disappearance
the two guys at the end say Desmond seems to be is some short of coma. Also,did they come and take Desmond away and what happen to the apple?

If Desmond is a memory, what kind of memory is he? the way the end the davinci disappearance it is hard to tell whether or not he is a memory because the two guys just left him.

Do you think the guys are Templars or Assassins?


Not that it's a spoiler seeing as it's just my opinion, but . . .

I think they are Assassins, just because in the first Assassin's Creed, they hinted that there were Assassins looking for Desmond. Also, it would be quite a twist. Templars is what they would want you to think, but aside from Desmond, not many modern day Assassins have been introduced.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: liggy002 on May 23, 2011, 09:55:14 PM
I have a question.... I recently picked up Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood and I have never even played the series.  Am I going to be completely lost as far as the story goes or is there some kind of in game recap or "codex"(encyclopedia)?

Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Lambonius on May 23, 2011, 10:02:28 PM
There is a brief recap at the beginning, if I recall correctly, but you're honestly really better off starting with Assassin's Creed II.  Brotherhood picks up IMMEDIATELY where AC2 leaves off, and really--AC2 is the better game, at least story-wise.  Go ahead and skip AC1, but AC2 is a must-play.  I'd shelve Brotherhood and pick up AC2, then play both back to back.  AC2 should be cheap to buy at this point, anyway.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on May 25, 2011, 01:47:45 AM
I would agree that playing Assassin's Creed 1 would be unnecessary from here on out, unless Ubisoft intends to try and bring some sort of a connection between AC1 and Revelations. Even so, the entire game is a bit of a grind just to get an ounce of story out of it. But the ounce of story that you receive (Desmond's experience mostly) is somewhat crucial, I think. Still, you're not missing on much if you skip it. The Assassin's Creed 2 trilogy is where it's at.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Big C from Cauney island on May 25, 2011, 12:21:04 PM
Just Finished Bortherhood. WOW. This is the best story in a video game i've seen in a long time.  Not too mention they did an amazing job recreating rome (and i was just there in january). WOW
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Halgroda on May 25, 2011, 02:50:23 PM
Does anyone know if the platinum hits Xbox version of AC2 contains all the DLC?
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Baggins on May 25, 2011, 03:13:49 PM
AC1 Deluxe Edition (that's the PC version), is a bit better than the console version. It did add a few more side stories, and better optional quest system... Still its more simplistic than AC2!

I think AC1 might be important to understand the connections made in Revelations (as its a return to Altair's homeland, and discovery of the secrets he left behind)... AC1 also kinda helps to understand that flashback scene in AC2 with Altair (actually PSP Assasin's Creed is tied into that cutscene as well). It also sets the background for Desmond and the game's villain quite a bit.

Quote
Just Finished Bortherhood. WOW. This is the best story in a video game i've seen in a long time.  Not too mention they did an amazing job recreating rome (and i was just there in january). WOW

I felt the same way, when I went to Venice just after AC2. It even helped navigating the city streets somewhat! Although some of the roads found in AC2 aren't there in the present. Just heads to a dead end wall or building now! Don't know how accurate it was to 1400's Venice though! Maybe those paths were open then?
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Big C from Cauney island on June 06, 2011, 11:18:59 PM
I saw the trailer and gameplay on e3.  Looking awesome, I'm assuming they updated the graphics. Anyone else see it?
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: drunkenmonkey on June 07, 2011, 12:32:44 AM
I saw it. Animations look amazing. That's all I can say right now. No real gameplay footage so far..
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: wilco64256 on June 09, 2011, 12:21:46 PM
There's some gameplay that was shown at E3 as well, viewable here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh0nRRFLJ5k  Looks great.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Baggins on June 09, 2011, 06:20:30 PM
Looks great, too bad I'll have to wait for the pc version.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on June 10, 2011, 04:24:04 AM
Looks great, too bad I'll have to wait for the pc version.

I thought they said that the PC version would be released simultaneously with the console versions, no?
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Baggins on June 10, 2011, 08:44:35 AM
Well I can only hope, but if their previous track record is any indication the PC version will get delayed again.

The one thing that interests me about this game is the look, it looks like it's combination of 1 and 2 in style! A return to medieval/middle Easter architecture. I can't wait to climb up the Hagia Sophia!
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on June 10, 2011, 12:23:36 PM
I can't wait to climb up the Hagia Sophia!

I can't wait to jump off of it.  :P
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: wilco64256 on June 10, 2011, 12:52:46 PM
I can't wait to climb up the Hagia Sophia!

I can't wait to jump off of it.  :P

Totally this.  Figuring out how to climb these landmarks is a load of work sometimes, the leap from the top makes it all worth it.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Lambonius on June 10, 2011, 02:36:50 PM
I love it.  Amazing.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on June 18, 2011, 05:13:17 PM
I'm going to go ahead and merge this with the other Assassin's Creed thread we got on the forums... As for Revelations, it will be the best Assassin's Creed yet. How do I know? I met one of the designers. I witnessed a live gameplay demo about 20 times. This game, quite simply, is going to be phenomenal.

EDIT: Merged and title changed to reflect the entire franchise, not one singular game. Man, I'm gonna have so much fun with Revelations; I was so tempted to run off with the demo at E3; it was literally right there in front of me. But then my conscience showed up and made me realize I should wait for the final product; no point running off with an incomplete game, right?
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on June 19, 2011, 12:33:31 PM
I'm hoping that it will be the best Assassin's Creed yet. I don't know if I can stomach another Ezio game again, so the story better be nothing short of amazing. The fact that they are trying to merge all three assassins into one big game is proof of the potential that it has.

Hey Chris, what did the demo show off? Did it show the bomb-crafting system and the hookblade?
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Lambonius on June 19, 2011, 03:11:41 PM
Were there boobs in the demo?
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on June 21, 2011, 10:34:26 AM
No bomb crafting unfortunately, but the hookblade was used in full-effect. It was a hands off demo for me, so I could only watch, but it was pretty amazing. The hookblade can be used in combat really well, and it can even be used to climb boats and other structures faster (at least, that's the way it appeared to me; i may have gotten that part wrong, but we'll see).

And no, Lambonius, there were no boobs in the demo. It was actually mainly men.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on July 02, 2011, 01:04:36 AM
Well, I finally got the Platinum Trophy on Brotherhood. Took me awhile, but it was an awesome, yet frustrating experience. I also played The Da Vinci Disappearance, and that had such a nice twist to it. Took me by surprise. Now there's nothing more to do but to wait for Revelations. I hope it ends Ezio's story with a bang. And by bang, I mean Ezio shooting a Templar in the face.  :P

(Posted on: July 01, 2011, 04:48:06 PM)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yHnTi16L18

The commentator specifically states in the beginning of the video that the mission occurs halfway through the game, but also states that Ezio is looking for the last key to open the vault. I may be reading into too much of the E3 speculation and playing a wild guessing game with no basis, but how big is this game going to be? To be honest,when I heard the story about the five seals, I was expecting a cut and dried story (a la the original Assassin's Creed). You know; find location to first seal, get first seal, find location to second seal, . . . get final seal, beat game, rinse and repeat. It seems that if my calculations are correct, getting the final seal at the halfway point would leave a huge gap for an actual plot. Oh boy, I can't wait.  :o
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Lambonius on July 02, 2011, 03:10:57 PM
The nerd erection that I have for this game has officially reached the medically serious point.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on July 02, 2011, 04:33:25 PM
The nerd erection that I have for this game has officially reached the medically serious point.

If it lasts for more than 4 hours, I recommend you consult with your physician immediately.  :-\

Unless, you are content with the situation. Then let the good times roll.  ;)
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on July 05, 2011, 05:19:50 PM
This game is looking fantastic. I think it's safe to call this game the best Assassin's Creed yet. Let's hope Assassin's Creed 3 only builds on this.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: wilco64256 on July 05, 2011, 08:45:41 PM
I think some of the stuff in the Project Legacy content on Facebook is giving pretty strong hints at a game (or at leats part of one) taking place in the Americas during the post-Columbus mess.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on July 05, 2011, 08:53:04 PM
I think some of the stuff in the Project Legacy content on Facebook is giving pretty strong hints at a game (or at leats part of one) taking place in the Americas during the post-Columbus mess.

I really like Project Legacy; it adds a lot of backstory to the series. I'm hoping they do make a game take place during that time period. One rumor I've been hearing a lot has been a game taking place during the Revolutionary War. I hope that happens; I would like very much to see that.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on July 05, 2011, 09:12:54 PM
So what do you think the relic in Revelations is going to be? I think it's clear that it will be a POE, but I wonder if it is something they have already introduced.

The Assassins already have one Apple, so I think it's safe to say they won't need another one. It can't be the Staff, because it got secured in some weird contraption in the Vatican. It can't be the Shroud, because according to Project Legacy, Perotto Calderon had discovered it to save his son Giovanni. And it can't be the Crystal Skull, cause Giovanni Borgia discovered it in the Americas. The one and only POE that hasn't really been discussed yet is the Sword. I'm putting my bets on the Sword.

Besides, won't it be just epic to be able to use it in battle?
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on July 05, 2011, 09:16:45 PM
I'm assuming that Project Legacy explains what some of these Pieces of Eden are? I haven't gotten too far into it to really know all that much.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on July 05, 2011, 09:32:04 PM
I'm assuming that Project Legacy explains what some of these Pieces of Eden are? I haven't gotten too far into it to really know all that much.

Ahh, I see. Sorry, I didn't want to spoil it for anybody, but the spoiler text can only hide so much.  :P

Yeah, Project Legacy will explain what the POEs are in detail. A lot of the Pieces are "related" to some old lore. For instance, the Shroud is supposed to be the Shroud of Turin that covered Jesus Christ. King Arthur had pulled the Sword from a stone and it helped him win his place on the throne (Hey, that rhymed). And apparently, Rasputin had used the Staff to gain favor with the people of Russia. I like how they link the Pieces to actual periods of history. It really creates a sense of immersion for the setting.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on July 05, 2011, 09:46:46 PM
I'm assuming that Project Legacy explains what some of these Pieces of Eden are? I haven't gotten too far into it to really know all that much.

Ahh, I see. Sorry, I didn't want to spoil it for anybody, but the spoiler text can only hide so much.  :P

Yeah, Project Legacy will explain what the POEs are in detail. A lot of the Pieces are "related" to some old lore. For instance, the Shroud is supposed to be the Shroud of Turin that covered Jesus Christ. King Arthur had pulled the Sword from a stone and it helped him win his place on the throne (Hey, that rhymed). And apparently, Rasputin had used the Staff to gain favor with the people of Russia. I like how they link the Pieces to actual periods of history. It really creates a sense of immersion for the setting.

Indeed it does. I guess I have another reason to play Project Legacy again. I've been meaning to go back to it anyway.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Baggins on July 06, 2011, 09:42:18 AM
There are a couple of annoying things about Project Legacy...

1. You can't 'restart' the game from scratch since its tied to a single facebook account, so if you want to check out alternative outcomes with Erudio (SP?) you can't.

2. You can't replay the various cutscenes, as far as I know.

3. I think there are a couple of things that are one time only, so if you somehow missed your chance, or didn't read all the text, you can't repeat the event again.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on July 06, 2011, 12:15:50 PM
There are a couple of annoying things about Project Legacy...

1. You can't 'restart' the game from scratch since its tied to a single facebook account, so if you want to check out alternative outcomes with Erudio (SP?) you can't.

2. You can't replay the various cutscenes, as far as I know.

3. I think there are a couple of things that are one time only, so if you somehow missed your chance, or didn't read all the text, you can't repeat the event again.

You can always look up Project Legacy on assassinscreed.wikia.com, and it will tell you all the different outcomes that you can have with the game. I saw all of Erudito's comments that he makes depending on your answers to the surveys, and I saw the entire chapter of Et Tu, Brute? (seeing as how I want to save up my Uplay points for something good). The best thing is, you can make your own personal choices, but still see "what could have been".
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Lambonius on July 27, 2011, 03:36:44 PM
BUMP.

I want this game now.

That is all.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on July 27, 2011, 03:51:22 PM
BUMP.

I want this game now.

That is all.

dont we all, lambonius? i wanted this game the instant the rumors started.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on August 20, 2011, 03:15:07 PM
Here's some gameplay of Revelations from Gamescom. Warning: Ubisoft has been on a witch hunt to have all of these videos removed, so watch it while it lasts.

Assassin's Creed Revelations Gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmYaouXj7i0/url)
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on August 20, 2011, 03:45:49 PM
I must say, that gameplay footage looked rather amazing. I want this game even more now.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Baggins on August 20, 2011, 03:49:57 PM
Yay!

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6323723/assassins-creed-3ds-kia

Hmm I missed this. Apparently the cancelled AC: Lost Legacy for the 3DS was partially morphed into the Revelations.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on August 20, 2011, 03:56:24 PM
Yup, it's pretty amazing. But if for any reason Ubisoft gets rid of this video on Youtube, there are tons of people who are trying to outdo them and I'll just link to a new video of the same thing. If Ubisoft isn't going to officially release the video, it's only right that the fans share the wealth. Here is an official video interview with Darby McDevitt explaining the demo video that you guys aren't supposed to see.  :P

Assassin's Creed Revelations Interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ2HHwrClqg/url)
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on August 20, 2011, 06:23:51 PM
Trying to cover leaked material up is kind of redundant in a lot of ways... I mean, it's not going to do anything. A quick google search will almost always find a copy of the video still in-tact. They should just stop trying to cover these kinds of leaks up.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on August 21, 2011, 12:17:43 AM
I don't see why they would need to cover it up. The gameplay is amazing and it would get people even more excited for the title. They have nothing to be ashamed of. I understand why they would want to hold the rights to their title and not have other people releasing their videos, but why would they not release the video themselves? It's weird to try and lock up a masterpiece.

Hmm I missed this. Apparently the cancelled AC: Lost Legacy for the 3DS was partially morphed into the Revelations.

Well, that's good to know. One less reason to get a 3DS right away, and one more reason to get Revelations. Win win, I guess.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on August 21, 2011, 11:55:14 AM
I understand to a degree why companies cover stuff up, but the fact remains that the damage has been done, so why not just come forward with it? especially for assassins creed; that gameplay footage was awesome.

as for lost legacy, I'm actually kind of glad that it morphed into revelations. also, I don't know if anyone has heard yet, but ubisoft announced that they're working on an assassins creed game for the vita. according to my sources (read: internet), the game will star new characters. in other words, a new assassin in a new time period. I'm now buying a vita, if only for assassins creed. I'm mad at myself for not playing it at e3 though; I waited for the rather underwhelming wii u instead. I think I made an error in judgement there.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on August 21, 2011, 01:15:51 PM
Oh, I'm definitely getting a Vita, for sure. Not just for Assassin's Creed, but Uncharted, Resistance, and every other awesome title that will come out for it. But an Assassin's Creed that introduces a new ancestor? Sold!
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: andyou111 on August 22, 2011, 03:12:53 AM
I liked AC1 and 2 very much, but not enough to spend lots of money on what appears to be extra content for AC2. I will wait until AC3.

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Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Baggins on August 22, 2011, 08:51:55 AM
It's not really 'extra content' for AC2.

AC2's story was so big they had to split it into a trilogy to fit it all in. Each of these games are nearly the same size in scope.

Yes, Rome was originally going to be in AC2, but got cut due to time restraints. At first they thought about adding it in as a small DLC content patch.

But they decided to expand upon it and turn it into a complete game.

If you miss out on this trilogy though, you are missing out on important Desmond storyline leading up to AC3.

I won't be surprised if they end up splitting up AC3 into a trilogy (or more) as well!
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on August 24, 2011, 05:15:50 AM
The only thing is, at this point in the story, not much is known. We are still in the dark for the most part. So even if Revelations does spill some juicy details, they could stretch the story on forever. Although that would be awesome for all parties, I do not want to suffer from another Lost experience; where they tease you and then drop a big "WTF" bomb at the end and have you regret the last 7 years of your life.  >:(

(Posted on: August 22, 2011, 08:57:46 PM)


Ubisoft released their gameplay video with an added commentary. It's not different from the other video, just has a guy explaining everything as he's doing it. Enjoy!

Assassin's Creed Revelations Demo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vztmBgNd--I&feature=player_embedded#!/url)
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on August 24, 2011, 03:11:47 PM
well, ubisoft has annualized the assassins creed franchise. its become one of their biggest properties. they aren't going to just let it end. after AC3, I have no doubt we'll be getting more games. I'm also sure that, eventually, the franchise will suffer from franchise fatigue. the truth of the matter is that eventually people are going to get tired of the franchise, no matter how good the games end up being. I'm sure the next couple of Games will continue to be good and sell well, but eventually its going to crash. what goes up must come down. its only a matter of time. of course, they'll give the franchise a couple years of rest, and then reboot it. its the way things in this industry work.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Baggins on August 24, 2011, 09:04:41 PM
Well, I'm fine with how its currently going but after AC3 they really need to slow down on it.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on August 24, 2011, 09:16:50 PM
Well, I'm fine with how its currently going but after AC3 they really need to slow down on it.

Agreed. But don't expect them to. Ubisoft is going to milk AC for all it's worth, and I don't think we'll be seeing it slow down at all; if anything, they'll speed it up.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on August 24, 2011, 09:45:17 PM
I think it'll definitely depend on how people will react to the titles. If they speed up development of the titles at the price of quality, then I think fans will notice that the series will not last forever. If sales go down, so will production. The story must have a conclusion though. They have definitely set themselves up for an arcing storyline. Desmond will can't fail like the previous subjects, and he can't go on forever, cause Abstergo is right behind him. But for what we've seen, there will have to be a conclusion to Desmond's story one way or another. Now, after Desmond's adventure, they can easily adapt a new protagonist in the same universe and explore new timelines. But that's where they will most likely kill the series.

If anything, I would like them to innovate the series completely for other timelines. Assassins from every time period couldn't have possibly used the hidden blade for all of their assassinations, right? Even with tradition, there can be a way to influence a more modern age to their creed. Also, how will Desmond dodge bullets? Not every Abstergo agent is going to be carrying a nightstick. I think gunplay would be apropos for the modern era, but only if done right.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on August 25, 2011, 12:17:22 PM
I'd love to see a modern-day or future Assassin's Creed game; that could be a lot of fun. I imagine the assassin in question would wear some kind of armor, perhaps a bulletproof vest or hell, metal or something. I'd imagine desmond's Hoodie would be the appropriate attire, too. I think I can definitely see the series move in that direction over time. I'd like to see it slowly but surely move up through the time-line until it gets to modern-day or near-future or something.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Baggins on August 25, 2011, 03:47:17 PM
We might get those things in AC3...? It is after all Desmond's assassin game, the one in which he is supposed to save the world. He needs something to protect him from bullets. Can't expect alll guards to use batons.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on August 25, 2011, 11:18:51 PM
I'd love to see a modern-day or future Assassin's Creed game; that could be a lot of fun. I imagine the assassin in question would wear some kind of armor, perhaps a bulletproof vest or hell, metal or something. I'd imagine desmond's Hoodie would be the appropriate attire, too. I think I can definitely see the series move in that direction over time. I'd like to see it slowly but surely move up through the time-line until it gets to modern-day or near-future or something.

Exactly, but I think a bulletproof vest would look rather silly. It would be the first thought for protection against bullets, but Desmond will have to be swift as an assassin, and Kevlar is pretty heavy. But then again, so was Ezio's plate armor. Hmm . . .  :-\

I do prefer Desmond keeping his hoodie, but one thing I want to see is Desmond getting his own modern Brotherhood. Possibly the Brotherhood that was originally trying to bust him out of Abstergo.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Baggins on August 26, 2011, 01:42:43 PM
Fierce Diety, they are coming out with Spider/Goat plate. It's genetically enginerred by inserting spider genes into goats and can be produced in the goat's milk.

Supposed to be stronger than Kevlar, and super light. It's already in testing phases as far as I know.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on August 26, 2011, 04:51:26 PM
Fierce Diety, they are coming out with Spider/Goat plate. It's genetically enginerred by inserting spider genes into goats and can be produced in the goat's milk.

Supposed to be stronger than Kevlar, and super light. It's already in testing phases as far as I know.

*for some reason, imagines a goat dressed up like Spiderman*

Awesome!

The future is now.  :futuristic:
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on August 26, 2011, 08:28:32 PM
That sounds kinda weird, but hey, if it works, it works!

I'd love to see a modern-day or future Assassin's Creed game; that could be a lot of fun. I imagine the assassin in question would wear some kind of armor, perhaps a bulletproof vest or hell, metal or something. I'd imagine desmond's Hoodie would be the appropriate attire, too. I think I can definitely see the series move in that direction over time. I'd like to see it slowly but surely move up through the time-line until it gets to modern-day or near-future or something.

Exactly, but I think a bulletproof vest would look rather silly. It would be the first thought for protection against bullets, but Desmond will have to be swift as an assassin, and Kevlar is pretty heavy. But then again, so was Ezio's plate armor. Hmm . . .  :-\

I do prefer Desmond keeping his hoodie, but one thing I want to see is Desmond getting his own modern Brotherhood. Possibly the Brotherhood that was originally trying to bust him out of Abstergo.

I'd love to see Desmond get a modern-day brotherhood as well. I imagine that the weapons have evolved over time, as well. For example, I imagine there could be a throwing knife launcher, a more powerful hidden gun, or hell, a built-in crossbow. it's not hard. it would just need to fold up and stuff. Also, I was kind of hoping to see Da Vinci's flying machine in a more compact version that could be worn by the assassin as a backpack or something; press a button (or pull a cord; whatever fits the time period) and the flying machine would unfold or something. Now THAT would be awesome. You know, I'd almost like to see an MMO set in the Assassin's Creed universe; it would open up a lot of gameplay opportunities. You could choose a specific type of assassin with a specialty in one area (stealth, combat, free-running/escape, etc) and fight rival brotherhoods or factions, or hell, the templars. you could choose to be a templar if you wanted... you know, Ubisoft should hire me as their idea guy. I could give them all sorts of cool stuff.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Baggins on August 26, 2011, 08:34:01 PM
Ninjas!
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Lambonius on August 27, 2011, 02:39:53 PM
Am I the only one who wants to see Desmond flying around in an old school James Bond jetpack?
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on August 27, 2011, 04:01:26 PM
Am I the only one who wants to see Desmond flying around in an old school James Bond jetpack?

you most certainly are not, lambonius. I would love to see that myself. make it happen, ubisoft. pretty please?
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on August 27, 2011, 07:15:44 PM
A jetpack would be cool, but I'd want it to work with the open world environment. If it allows Desmond to virtually travel across the entire map undisturbed, it would be pretty cheap in my opinion. I want to see how the hookblade works in Revelations, before having an opinion on other modes of transportation.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on August 27, 2011, 07:38:19 PM
I want to use the hookblade right now. That thing looks AWESOME! The only downside is that it's a single hookblade; I was hoping for a double hookblade of some kind.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on August 27, 2011, 07:46:02 PM
I want to use the hookblade right now. That thing looks AWESOME! The only downside is that it's a single hookblade; I was hoping for a double hookblade of some kind.

Maybe it will be one of the upgrades. Ezio only had one hidden blade, before he got the upgrade to have two of them.  :-\
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on August 27, 2011, 07:51:28 PM
I'm pretty sure the hookblade is a single weapon. I don't believe there's a second one.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on August 27, 2011, 08:03:01 PM
The hookblade (http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Hookblade) replaces one of the hidden blades, so I wonder if the remaining hidden blade can be upgraded to another hookblade. I imagine it wouldn't do a lot for combat, but it would enhance a load out of platforming if certain areas required two hookblades.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on October 06, 2011, 11:50:59 PM
I have revived this thread so you all may lay witness to the newest trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-arKl5LCnc&feature=BFa&list=SP0FA615DDBA659E98&lf=list_related) for Revelations. I am quite unable to wait for this game; I need it right now.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on October 07, 2011, 12:00:51 AM
I have revived this thread so you all may lay witness to the newest trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-arKl5LCnc&feature=BFa&list=SP0FA615DDBA659E98&lf=list_related) for Revelations. I am quite unable to wait for this game; I need it right now.

I saw that trailer, and couldn't help but think of 300 when Ezio kicked that statue off the ledge.  :P

But in all seriousness, I'm going to Gamestop tomorrow to preorder the game. I normally don't preorder games that I know will be abundant on the first day, but the more I look at the Signature Edition, the more I want that cool sword and the extra missions.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Cez on October 07, 2011, 01:04:13 AM
I started to play AC2. It's fun.

But I think it's going to take a hiatus. I just got Dark Souls! And nothing beats Dark Souls!

I rarely get games on release day these days, but I just couldn't hold myself!

soooo good!
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on October 07, 2011, 05:04:56 AM
I started to play AC2. It's fun.

But I think it's going to take a hiatus. I just got Dark Souls! And nothing beats Dark Souls!

I rarely get games on release day these days, but I just couldn't hold myself!

soooo good!

I'm still playing Demon's Souls, how does Dark Souls rank in comparison, if you don't mind me asking?
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Cez on October 07, 2011, 05:42:13 AM
When I have a minute to pop it in, I'll tell you. Busy writing new stuff and getting Ep4 ready!
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on October 07, 2011, 05:44:13 AM
When I have a minute to pop it in, I'll tell you. Busy writing new stuff and getting Ep4 ready!

That's what I like to hear.  ;)
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Lambonius on October 07, 2011, 09:26:44 AM
I just picked up Dark Souls yesterday.  I haven't played Demon's Souls, since it's PS3 exclusive and I'm on an Xbox.

I can say, however, that Dark Souls is thoroughly raping my ass, though I'm not sure if that's a good thing yet.  

Not a fan of the controls.  Shoulder bumpers as the main attack and defend buttons are very odd--I've never played another game that had a similar control scheme.  I've only played for about an hour though, so I'm hoping it grows on me and that my hands get used to the strange control scheme.
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Fierce Deity on October 07, 2011, 05:14:02 PM
All I can say is that Demon's Souls is an awesome game. If it's any indication to how Dark Souls is gonna be, I think I'll like it. But I heard that they took out health restorative items and replaced them with a 'canteen' of some sort, that you have to refill from time to time. It sounds like that's going to make it harder than hoarding all of your herbs and potions for a boss battle.  :P
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on November 06, 2011, 02:57:58 PM
Revelations is almost here; are you guys excited? I can barely contain my excitement for this game. Each new trailer makes me more excited than the last! Once this comes out, I'm probably going to be MIA from all my jobs...
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Rosella on November 06, 2011, 08:31:43 PM
Assassin's Creed: Revelations
Signature Edition
You get more bombs
They look like coconuts
But they're not
THEY'RE BOMBS!

You also get an Ottoman
Jester for multiplayer
Acrobatic jester swan-dive tackle
FACE!

Get a bonus mission and unlock
Vlad the Impaler's sword
Slow walk up with Vlad the Impaler's sword
VLAD-ED!


...Every time someone mentions the game, that (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UUqTaNKcrA) happens. It just comes out of my mouth. :P
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on November 06, 2011, 08:35:22 PM
Assassin's Creed: Revelations
Signature Edition
You get more bombs
They look like coconuts
But they're not
THEY'RE BOMBS!

You also get an Ottoman
Jester for multiplayer
Acrobatic jester swan-dive tackle
FACE!

Get a bonus mission and unlock
Vlad the Impaler's sword
Slow walk up with Vlad the Impaler's sword
VLAD-ED!


...Every time someone mentions the game, that (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UUqTaNKcrA) happens. It just comes out of my mouth. :P

I did a double-take when I first saw that on Gamestop TV. I was like "...woah, what the heck?!".
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: Rosella on November 06, 2011, 08:37:41 PM
I did the same thing. I thought I heard that it was singing that and I was confused, and I think I just turned around and watched the television with games in my hand I was supposed to be putting away. I may have been trying to talk to a customer at the time as well. XD
Title: Re: Assassin's Creed franchise
Post by: dark-daventry on November 07, 2011, 10:47:05 AM
I did the same thing. I thought I heard that it was singing that and I was confused, and I think I just turned around and watched the television with games in my hand I was supposed to be putting away. I may have been trying to talk to a customer at the time as well. XD

haha gotta love working at Gamestop sometimes. It can certainly be interesting.