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General / Re: TSL Updates!
« Last post by ShiftingBalance on July 19, 2021, 08:21:47 AM »
I just don't understand given how they had a release date of 2017 that must mean they were close to finishing it, why they can't bring someone else in to help get it released. I know that life happens but it doesn't seem like anyone at phoenix online cares about this game anymore.
General / Re: TSL Updates!
« Last post by Numbers on July 03, 2021, 10:58:31 AM »
TSL has definitely lost a lot of what made it special. Even if POStudios were to release a polished, bug-free Episode 5 next week, there's no way it would live up to over a decade's worth of expectations. The ending cutscene of Episode 4 is still one of my favorite moments in KQ history, canonical or otherwise, but the fact that it currently leads to nothing at all makes it less worthwhile now. I hope POStudios can finish Episode 5 someday, but it's definitely not going to be any time soon.

I remember being extremely harsh on TOG's KQ reboot, but I realize now that, at the very least, it was a fully finished product, and in spite of the controversies surrounding it, still ended on an optimistic note, and left the door open for another entry, though that has yet to surface. I'm sure if I went back to it now, I'd probably feel softer towards it.

I have the feeling that the primary reason POStudios hasn't released the soundtrack for Episodes 3 and 4 is because they know it's all they have left to work with, so they're continuing to hold it over our heads with empty promises that they'll release it along with Episode 5, even though it's becoming increasingly obvious that that won't happen.
General / Re: TSL Updates!
« Last post by GrahamRocks! on July 02, 2021, 07:14:32 PM »


To be honest... I have been considering going back and replaying TSL again. I just haven't done so, because my outlook on the series has changed over the years, my sense of humor and what I can consider good writing has changed. At the time I'd first joined and gotten into TSL (concurrently with Sierra in general), it was all new and fascinating for someone like me, and at that particular time I'd considered it the absolute best KQ game ever, overall (aside from the Valanice and Manannan thing, I don't think anyone likes that connection TBH)- it had the best soundtrack, the visuals were gorgeous, Graham's characterization as an older gentleman was on point, the relationships between Graham and Valanice/Alexander and Cassima/Rosella and Edgar were all very sweet, and there was a good sense of lore and worldbuilding and intrigue and tension about where the plot was going. It certainly wasn't perfect (I don't like the Isle of the Beast segment, both because of the way Beauty is characterized/designed and the hedge maze puzzle, no matter how many times I play it, I can never remember where the second half of that puzzle is off the top of my head despite that being the case for every other puzzle), but at the time, it was good.

And then, 2015 hit, and the 2015 Reboot (IMO, I know not many will agree with me, especially on here) of KQ blew most of that out of the water. It took a lot of what I already liked about TSL (music, visuals, characters etc) and pulled it off even better in my eyes. And, unfortunately, it kinda overshadowed TSL for me, and that game overtook the spot for "Best KQ Game," and when I think of the characters of KQ, what I see in my mind and hear mentally, are those characters from KQ2015, not TSL.

I feel bad about that sometimes, since I was one of the more prominent posters here once upon a time, defending Phoenix as one of their biggest, staunchest fans about most everything negative said about TSL, and I do it (not did, do, because there's still tired complaints about it) for the Reboot with as much fervor even now, as I did TSL back then.

I just feel a bit scared, I guess, about potentially playing it again, looking at it with fresh eyes so to speak, because I'm afraid that now that I can look at things more critically, more constructively, that I'm going to look at this game and say, "This isn't nearly as good as I remember. :( " and view it more negatively at worst, and at best as "It's Good, but not Great," y'know? That's kind of what I consider AGDI's KQ2+ is the latter, because once I actually stopped and paid attention to the writing, the lore, the characterization etc, there were some major problems in it that I feel should've been fixed, seeing it in hindsight (also an art critique of AGDI's I've had for a while is "Why does nobody blink?! That's creepy that the only thing that moves is their mouths!"), and I'd hate for the same to happen with me and TSL.

Will I still laugh at the snarky Narrator ribbing Graham? Will I still feel the danger of Shadrack oppressing the Royal Family of Daventry? Will I still be drawn into the lore of the Silver and Black Cloaks? Will I still be heartwarmed by Graham and Valanice as a couple? Will I still love the vision scene of Graham's in part 3 where he's mentally saving Valanice on horseback, which was one of my favorite parts of that chapter? It's been so long- seven or eight years in fact -that I'm honestly not sure. I've changed a lot since then, I think. We all have. I definitely wouldn't say that it's "So Good, It Might As Well Be Canon" like I might've said way back then to Phoenix, that's for sure. I acknowledge that it's an alternate universe where some things went a bit differently, at least. But I won't deny the impact it's had on me, and I'm honestly hoping that my memories and nostalgia weren't steering me wrong.
General / Re: TSL Updates!
« Last post by Numbers on July 02, 2021, 01:10:38 PM »
They've asked for encouragement. I am offering it to them. I'm sorry you're annoyed by my posts.

You just proved my point. That quote from waltzdancing is over seven years old. I know your heart's in the right place, but it's misguided. They're not here anymore.

Donít apologize to Numbers.  Guy has to put his two cents in with every comment telling you why youíre wrong.  Must be real fun at parties.

General / Re: TSL Updates!
« Last post by KickCat on July 01, 2021, 01:35:37 PM »
Donít apologize to Numbers.  Guy has to put his two cents in with every comment telling you why youíre wrong.  Must be real fun at parties.
General / Re: TSL Updates!
« Last post by calmlunatic on July 01, 2021, 12:24:18 PM »
Happy July to the development team!   
Calmlunatic, do you really think you're accomplishing anything by writing the exact same message every month, other than artificially inflating your post count? The "development team" hasn't responded to you in years.

The best thing that we need as in the volunteer team, is to offer us encouragement, support us with your trust and best regards. I'm speaking for myself, but coming on to the forums and seeing attacks and anger that makes me want to leave and hide because I do this out of love of the game and for the fans that helped me to save this project. I is damaging mentally to come to a safe haven and see us thrown aside. I know it has been a while since anything was heard but we do that because any bit we give you might think it's coming any day and that is not what we want to project for the project because we honestly don't know when it is coming.

Please, please, please, just support and not put us down as some posts have. It is disheartening and mentally defeating. If anything does come up, please believe me that I will tell you the moment it does. I have not led you astray. Just hang in there.

They've asked for encouragement. I am offering it to them. I'm sorry you're annoyed by my posts.
General Area / Re: Happy Birthday, KatieHal!
« Last post by koko_99_2001 on June 24, 2021, 02:23:38 PM »
I was just talking to Beth on Facebook and thought I'd check out the forum...Happy belated birthday, Katie!
General Area / Re: Happy Birthday, KatieHal!
« Last post by Numbers on June 17, 2021, 12:42:14 PM »
Happy belated birthday, Katie, wherever you are.
General Area / Re: Happy Birthday, KatieHal!
« Last post by colin on June 16, 2021, 06:40:34 PM »
Happy 41st katie have a great day
General / Re: TSL Updates!
« Last post by Shalkar on June 16, 2021, 06:29:23 PM »
I guess the game is done. Wow really.they lead us on an now Nothing. Terrible horrible 😢
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