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Re:What unexplained things do we believe in?

Started by Kimmie, May 16, 2004, 06:50:12 AM

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Draco9898


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#161
>sings< "I believe in a thing  called love..."
Sorry, I couldn't help that.  That song makes me giggle merrily.
Actually, I'm not sure  I *do* believe in love (this coming from the son of a romance novelist :-X)

EDIT: Romantic love that is!



dew7

Btw, thanks Rob!

Love: (Courtesy of Webster's Dictionary 1828)

. . . "In short, we love whatever gives us pleasure and delight, whether animal or intellectual; and if our hearts are right, we love God above all things, as the sum of all excellence and all the attributes which can communicate happiness to intelligent beings.

(Sorry if anyone has trouble with this post but I am quoting a dictionary and feel free to take it up with Webster. :>  See why I like some of the old language before our language was simplified.)
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Jeysie

#163
I think love is one of the greatest (in terms of power/strength, not always goodness, admittedly) human things. Not just romantic love, but all kinds of love. I think we are at our best when we do things out of love... love of a parent for their children, love of a person for their spouse or friend, love of honor and duty, love of humanity, etc. Not selfish love, love of oneself disguised as love for another thing (although a *healthy* amount of love for oneself is also important), but "pure" love.

Sometimes even "pure" love can lead people to go astray (the road to Hell is paved with good intentions, and all that), but I think when we can temper the motivation of love with the clear thought of logic and reason, we can do great things. When you strip away love, all you're left with is the simple drive to survive... what worth is that? You can call love a human invention to try to give more meaning to life than just that need to survive, but I'll still take it anyway. :)

Peace & Luv, Liz

dew7

Then there is also love and lust.  When some guy says that girl is hot and he loves her when he has not even met her then I would take that as he is in lust with this girl in his heart.  I see true and good love like this:
Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.  Love never fails!
(Now this is the type of love that I hope that I can grasp and understand some day.  :> )
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Yonkey

I found this in the 2004 Merriam-Webster Dictionary:

Love:

1 a (1) : strong affection for another arising out of kinship or personal ties <maternal love for a child> (2) : attraction based on sexual desire : affection and tenderness felt by lovers (3) : affection based on admiration, benevolence, or common interests <love for his old schoolmates> b : an assurance of love <give her my love>
"A wish changes nothing. A decision changes everything."

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I agree with you on most parts, Dew.  But I think love can be envious--after all, if someone you were in love with were with someone else wouldn't you be at least *slightly* envious of who they were with?  Or at least wish you were in that someone else's place?



racx_00

Love is something that i want to find with a beautiful woman, but i doubt it will happen :-\
Knight of Jarada - Master Mind 8)
Assistant Manager of the TSL Asylum XD

Yonkey

Quote from: racx_00 on July 10, 2004, 07:01:08 PM
Love is something that i want to find with a beautiful woman, but i doubt it will happen :-\

Same here.  The only thing I've felt so far for beautiful women is lust; definitely not love.  :-\
"A wish changes nothing. A decision changes everything."

Jeysie

I agree... part of feeling "pure" love for someone is wanting them to be happy... even if it may mean making yourself a bit miserable.

And... is it as impossible to look past a face and feel love as well as lust for a pretty woman, as it is to look into a face and feel lust as well as love for an ugly/plain woman? (If that made any sense at all!)

For me, the two tend to be intertwined... if I love someone, I'm attracted to them... and while I can think many guys (or girls) are good-looking, I'm usually not truly attracted to someone unless I find them appealing as a person, too.

Lust isn't necessarily a bad thing... as long as you love the person, too.

Peace & Luv, Liz

Storm

Quote from: Kimmie on July 08, 2004, 12:25:49 PM
anyway...what about  <3 love  <3


Ahh, you foolish romantics, the lot of yous!!

Love is simply Evolution's way of making us preserve our species. Some of you might say "No Storm, that's SEX you're talking about" - that's also true, but since orgasms don't last 24/7, and raising a human child to sexual maturity takes about 16 years, Evolution had to find a way to make a couple stay together for longer than a one-night stand 8)
"Never argue with idiots. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

Jeysie

Yeah, but it still beats doing everything motivated by greed or power or worse, hate instead... or even worse than that, nothing at all. ;)

Besides, some of us still fall in love... but know that having kids is way too much trouble. Looks like Mother Nature only has half a hold on me. :suffer:

Peace & Luv, Liz

Yonkey

LOL Storm!  ;D

Quote from: Jeysie on July 11, 2004, 06:18:31 AM
And... is it as impossible to look past a face and feel love as well as lust for a pretty woman, as it is to look into a face and feel lust as well as love for an ugly/plain woman? (If that made any sense at all!)

For me, the two tend to be intertwined... if I love someone, I'm attracted to them... and while I can think many guys (or girls) are good-looking, I'm usually not truly attracted to someone unless I find them appealing as a person, too.

Love based on attraction is really hard to achieve, IMHO since most people are not the same inside as they are on the outside.  The other thing is I'm more likely to be attracted to a girl that's friendly, sweet and has a great sense of humour, than one that's drop-dead gorgeous.  It's like being in a huge candystore but picking something you know you  like, rather than something that just appears to be good.  ;D
"A wish changes nothing. A decision changes everything."

Jeysie

Well, no wonder marriages turn out so lousy. One half is marrying people with pretty faces, so their sex life is great, but they don't get along with each other the rest of the time. The other half marries someone with a great personality, so they fit emotionally, but they can't stop staring (or worse!) at that hunk/babe walking past.

OK, so maybe I'm exaggerrating a bit lot. ;) Still, I always knew I was weird romantically... just didn't know how weird. ;P

Peace & Luv, Liz

racx_00

Quote from: Yonkey on July 10, 2004, 07:54:12 PM
Same here.  The only thing I've felt so far for beautiful women is lust; definitely not love.  :-\
Every female is beautiful, but not all of us see their beauty :-\
Knight of Jarada - Master Mind 8)
Assistant Manager of the TSL Asylum XD

dew7

Sometimes it makes me wonder why humans think of themselves as so great.  I just hope that more people will respect the planet and other animals such as dolphins and horses that live here.  When I went to New Zealand last summer I saw a country that had their priorities with the environment straight.  I just hope that the United States is willing to learn from other countries too.  Anyway, back to the topic of what defines True Love.   ;D
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Kimmie

wow! i got u all thinking didnt i  XD

:lovegoggles: <3 J'aime tu (that looks so wrong and yet i can tbe bothered seeing if its right...and yet its so simple...im losing i've lost my mind.

Love is imho (im a ho lol...sorry im tired)...love is displayed by that cartoon with that boy and girl on a swing  <3 awww...no love is a strange feeling experienced by 2 ppl who care about each other so much that they get this little warm fuzzy feeling inside..oh i hav no clue i havnt experienced tru love yet...only 1 sided love!  ::)
Shimmy to the Kimmie



I <3 Connor but he is beyond my reach!

Jeysie

Yeah, if y'all wanted an essay on Unrequited Love, I could do that for ya. ;P

Peace & Luv, Liz

ShinyKnight

Well, anytime you'd like one on completely requited love, lemme know... ;P And I will again state the fact that I completely despise alll generalizations. ;) (I.E "Why marriages turn out so lousy"...) I can see where some people get the idea that maybe they all really DO turn out that way, but the trouble with that is, all the sources I could cite are right here in the States. :-\ As bad as it sounds, too many of us see marriage more of a burden, or something that you're supposed to "get something out of". Personally, I've known people exactly like who you described Jeysie, completely stuck on looks "Omg, he/she is the one... He's/She's SO hot!", or on personality "Well, we have so much in common." But are either of those anymore than bad stereotypes, when you think about it, honestly? You pretty much said exactly what we're deluged with everyday: Dumb (but hot) guys and girls, or intellient, vibrant (but ugly) guys and girls. You can only pick one. ::) And maybe that's true, to a point, because we all do our best everyday to fill one of those society-assigned roles. (Again, more specifically THIS society, it seems) But then there's some of us who've been lucky enough to find a "better half" who actually has both. So, in conclusion, my point is, don't knock true love until you've tried it. You really will know it when you see it.And if you have to go outside this country to find it, then so be it. I'm in love with the most amazing woman in the world, and I think the real trick is it to not place yourself in the position of worrying about whether they live up to everyone else's standards/stereotypes or whatever, just as long as they're perfect for YOU. Personally, I can't wait to get married... I don't think it's going to be a burdenat all, but rather that which will lift the burden off of me that I've carried around so long by myself; this thing called life that we're not put on this earth to live by ourselves. So, there's my weekly rant. ;P And since I know you're reading this, and bugging me to finish typing already and come back and talk to you: I LOVE YOU SAY! :lovegoggles:
He who laughs last, didn't get the joke! :suffer:

Say



OH.. MY.. GOD...


Quote from: ShinyKnight on July 12, 2004, 02:26:27 AM
So, there's my weekly rant. ;P And since I know you're reading this, and bugging me to finish typing already and come back and talk to you: I LOVE YOU SAY! :lovegoggles:

haha, that was beautiful, and now I feel bad for all the jokes I made to you while you were typing :P

aww, Im speachless... I really am, I love you <3


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