Brrr & Say's Excellent Adventures ;)

[J-ROC]

Bah, to hell with you all...

[Grundy]

Awwwww.... You're such a good sport, J-Roc!  

[J-ROC]

Meh, I don't have to be a good sport on such issues....

[B'rrr]

sorry James   ...but honestly I got my degree (unofficially ...why do i have to wait for 3 more months to collect it??   )

so I don't use the word 'engineer' in vain  

[Say]

lmao, stop picking on james! I completly relate to what he says because it is true!!

The fact that you have seen 3084729384723 s*** to enhace your skills as professionals in YOUR field doesnt means that you can get to do the same in each 347238947 s*** you saw during the career! for example MY title is Licenciated in Business Administration MENTION Graphic Design, it is a master of 5 years which has both Business and Design fields, during the career on the design field for example I saw photography and I must admit 2 freaking semesters of it, and I wouldnt freaking call myself a photographer!? why should I?!?! lol, I saw it and I adapt it to the utilities that it may occur into my career, MY field not THAT field, as well for example business, I saw also accounting  wtf but Im not a freaking accounting !! It is about to stick to what you are, period, that is James point and so is mine, why does it pisses US off as professionals?! cuz you had to fuking go though 5 f***ing years to be someone in your field for someone to come and claim that is like you when they saw the freaking subject for like 3 months, do I find it fair?! NO! lol, why is it a true problem in work field?! cuz when you hire a wannabe that tells you AND THIS IS MY TRUE CASE I'VE HIRED PPL LIKE THAT lol... "OMFG I CAN DO DESIGN YEAH STUFF STUFF" when I actually put that random clueless to do anything, what happens!? IT IS A WASTE OF MY TIME CUZ HE DOESNT KNOWS A PEANUT, he can only program and his design skills are as lame as it gets, it sounds horrible but it is true, why the fukz you lie professionally about what you are not and eventually you look like you have no work ethic at all when I wasted my time on someone like that when I could actually have had someone with REAL experience on that and I would have saved up months, trouble and time. Feel free to apply this case to real life and it would have also costed me money, no wonder why companies have like 847349587 filters when they hire ppl and I dont blame them! GOOD, that way you can certainly evaluate who knows what. Fair enough!.


SO THERE! WHOEVER WHO WONT LIKE WHAT I SAID GO GET FARTED ON GUARALITO

[Say]

Is that how much coffee Say drinks before every post?!
no wonders it's always "OMG WTF!!!"...

hahahaha , not between every post... that's my daily cuota  

[B'rrr]

*raises his hand*

I kinda disagree sweetz   ...I mean i am an engineerer and i have a lot of experience in design, not graphical design, i suck at that, i know.. but on technical design I have a lot of experience and if i would rather have my job in that field rather then in the programming field, well actually i was educated to enroll in a managment position and i would rather be that then either of those two fields, but for now i'm glad if i could find a temp parttime job to help me paying my bills (cuz i can't do it alone... without a job ).

but if it is to stick about what I am, i guess i'm going to have a career as a cook, cuz i totally relate to that  

[Yonkey]

In response to Say, that's exactly why I wouldn't call myself professionally a "designer", even though technically what I study is software design.  Like Rob said, we have no clue about graphic design so we'd would never call ourselves a "graphic designer", but at the same time, just because a person is a designer doesn't mean they can design everything (i.e. software).

Same thing goes for programmers, just because they know how to program doesn't mean they're good at it.  Look at Windows ME, it's a program that thousands of programmers worked on, but it's absolute crap.   It should have been at least as stable as Win98 since it is its successor, but it crashes more than Win95, a product 5 years older.  If they performed more quality assurance & testing on the operating system before it was released, the product might have actually been successful, rather than having the reputation of "crappiest Windows O/S ever".  

[Say]

ok designer, go "technically" decorate your new home then, you already are one so you dont need another.

[Jeysie]

I think the problem is that "designer" has become synonymous with "graphic/artistic designer", and thus other types of designing get shunted off to the side.

For instance, I don't know how good Harrison would be decorating a house, but he might be able to create the house infrastructure itself because he took several courses in architectural design.

And circuits boards might not look all that pretty, but the technical designers know how to put all those little silicon threads in the right order so they work efficiently.

So, it's OK Say, you can rest easy doing your artistic work, without B'rr and Yonkey butting in. They have other stuff to design.

Peace & Luv, Liz

[Say]

Well James, all I can say left is that I think Im the only one around here that certainly knows what you mean and viceversa, hence I completly understand / relate / share your pain on this matter

Not to be rude but for someone who has been involved into this world for over 5 years by now, Design ISNT Art not here, not in hell not in anywhere, why? design is meant for your client, Art is meant for yourself, professionally speaking whoever who does design for art or got to learn such blasphemy should go back from the "art" institute they went and demand their money back, sounds horrible but professional speaking it is the truth, Design (graphic design) is about to have a knowledge of the market and advertisement field into the graphics world, Art is just art! you do it cuz you freaking felt like such, that gives you profit? (if lucky!) but Warhol has died, and there are no other as good as such nowdays to have the nerve to merge such terms, about design, for you to actually be a -good- designer, you must by all means do research, plan, strategy and concept, who does that crap nowdays? as far as I know not every single decent designer would do differently, but then again, would an artist know this? no, they go for inspiration, not data or info, which is completly unrelated and different from the target, the method, and the final product.

I cant be abstract when it comes to the fact of work, I need logic and data without that how can you actually guide professional your client about the good quality of your own product? it is completly absurd that you go to your client and you go "hey I like blue! I think your logo would go excellent with blue!!! " hahaha, obviously that's ridiculous, you need to do a field research then an area research, then sketch and then you come up with the pre.design proposals for your client to pick up and for that you need to do a good previous work so you can guarantee your client would be pleased, satisfied and by all means with something GOOD, cuz if that fails that means you are not a competitive professional which leads for you to consider to go get your nose into some other things that may actually give you money, unlike other fields, design goes till the sucess of your client, the better they go the more work you can obviously get (as a designer).

So, I dont care what sort of design field they do (possibly network design or such) , programmers dont DO graphic design, they may know guidance and rules but would that be professional qualified for them to do graphic design? lol, no, you cant compare one semester to 3 years of career, so sorry. It is clearly not quite logic.

Another completly different thing is the subject of preferences, the fact that someone may know about spaces and such can clearly decorate (their) place, anyhow, it doesnt means he would do it professionally, that's the point. You may be amazing cuz you have the background and you know what you like, but from there to work professional about it, is a bit different.

[Jeysie]

Say...

My own point was, there's many different fields of "design" other than Graphic Design, and AFAIK Yonkey and B'rrr weren't claiming to be Graphic Designers, just Technical and Software Designers (which have nothing to do with Graphic Design) so there's no reason to get upset.

And by "Artistic" I just meant it as any designing having to do with strictly the "looks" of things... I mean, I don't know if you can lump Web Design into Graphic Design or not, for instance, so I wanted to cover it all.

Peace & Luv, Liz

[Say]

If I were upset I wouldnt have commited to even write half of what I wrote there (when I get really mad I get completly the opposite, just no words), and Im not saying Im mad at anyone (anyhow, if it sounded as such is with noone from here), so why cant I speak up and express my feelings like everyone else does in this forums? I believe I can too.

[Jeysie]

You can express your feelings as much as you like... I just got the feeling you misinterpreted what I said, is all, so I wanted to try to be more clear.

I mean, I know that Graphic Designing isn't something just anyone can do... I worked at a graphic design company for almost a year (as their secretary, I should add), and most of the stuff they did had my head spinning.

Peace & Luv, Liz

[Yonkey]

PEO = Professional Engineers of Ontario (there's an professional engineering association for every province, ie: APENS for NS and APEGA for AB)
EIT = Engineer in Training

(I recommend that you do some research on the EIT business, as that's the status you're in to achieve the P.Eng status....if you don't register like me, it delays the process.  I didn't register yet as I didn't have a P.Eng mentor.)

I haven't graduated yet so I still have tons of time, and most likely I can't register until I have the degree first.  Plus, I'm no where near having 4 years experience, so the whole P.Eng stuff "tis beyond my reach" at the moment.  

[J-ROC]

Actually, now is the ideal time to register.  They have a branch for students....and if you go on co-op work terms, it can count towards time for your P.Eng.
And you should register for your EIT status right after you graduate.  That's all I'm saying.  
Yeah, you've got lots of time, but the sooner you do it, the easier it will be.  My delay, although legit, is going to bite me in the arse...

[B'rrr]

ok designer, go "technically" decorate your new home then, you already are one so you dont need another.

...sorry sweetz   ...like I said, I can't.... cuz i do not have any qualities in that field of designing   ...why do you think I asked you?? (for any other reason then that you are the most special girl I know  )

[Kimmie]

I kinda realise why not many ppl hav been replying to this thread, i think you hav to be in ur line of work to hav a point...but im gonna break this barrier even though right now im quite scared of a few of u...wen u get angry u really do  

anyway, here goes kimmies analysis   :
u are all technically wonderful and graphically fantastic (and i dont know what a peng is but im sure is great) and ur all much more clever than me, specially with computers and design and art and i hav run out of vocab  

i just thought i would add this

thank you

[Yonkey]

Actually, now is the ideal time to register.  They have a branch for students....and if you go on co-op work terms, it can count towards time for your P.Eng.
And you should register for your EIT status right after you graduate.  That's all I'm saying.  
Yeah, you've got lots of time, but the sooner you do it, the easier it will be.  My delay, although legit, is going to bite me in the arse...

Kewl!  I'll look into it.  I'm not in co-op, and all the jobs I've had were completely unrelated to software eng, so I pretty much have 0 years experience!    How come you delayed in getting yours?

Sorry guys, a P.Eng stands for Professional Engineer and gets added to your title (like a Ph.d would for a doctor) for all Engineers after doing all the stuff James and I previously mentioned.  It would take too long to explain what it's for, but basically once you have one, you officially become part of the engineering profession and are legally permitted to call yourself an engineer.  

[B'rrr]

hmmm.... in the netherlands everyone is allowed to call themself engineer   ...and alo a designer or whatever they would like to be called  

i don't remember but i think doctor, meester (law) and architect are the only protected titles around here.

...even so you only 'earn' the title engineer when you complete a technical uni or so. ...but like I said, everyone can use it if they want, it has no real meaning around here ; \