Re:Something fun for character development junkies

[Jeysie]

I don't think Rosella has commitment issues... I just think she has more sense than her father and brother.

After all, Edgar's timing back when they first met each other was... off, to put it mildly. And when she encountered him again the second time she still didn't know him that well. And in both cases, he was not entirely himself for most of the time. I'm sure that once she gets to take the time to get to know him, if she "tries him and doesn't find him wanting", things may progress happily in the end.

Peace & Luv, Liz

[Storm]

Come on!! she's a princess! it should be love at first sight! what fairytales have you been reading?

With Graham it was "meets & rescues girl... cut to the wedding scene". With Alex it's a bit more balanced, but But by KQ standards Rosella is really slacking off. She met Edgar on KQ4 and again KQ7, during which time Alex had already managed to meet (KQ5) and marry (KQ6) Cassima.
Alex's meeting with Cassima isn't longer than that of Rosella and Edgar, still Alex falls for Cassima and quests out to find her. Rosella doesn't even bother to brood over Edgar or search for him (though he expressed more interest in her than Cassima did in Alex when they first met), she's too busy being bored with other princes.
The girl is a screaming case of commitment issues caused by loosing her brother at an early age - she's afraid to get too close to people and get hurt by them abandoning her like her brother did, and tries to cover it up with a ditzy, easy-going attitude

OK, now I've made myself laugh

[Say]

hahahaha, interesting

[Jeysie]

Maybe Edgar just wasn't Rosella's type until she found out he was Prince of Etheria?

Peace & Luv, Liz

[Storm]

Maybe... the little gold digger

[GunHoMac]

No, no...everyone knows Edgar won the sweetest buns contest in Etheria...Rosella is just a hard-bodied hussy...just the way we like em

[Jeysie]

I was going to post that it might have been the Etheria part that interested Rosella... I mean, here she was wanting to visit that cool sky city, and now not only does she get free run of it, she's got a cutie tour guide, to boot.

But GunHo's thought is good, too.

Peace & Luv, Liz

[Questing Character]

I think Edgar's not as smart as Cassima was, and Graham was just a *bit* desperate.  That explains it all.

Cassima was brave and smart and helped Alexander out twice, once by helping his father and again by helping Alexander in the end of KQ6.  But more than that, it was clearly a love at first sight sort of a thing.

Then you have Valanice.  Graham was desperate and then, on top of that, the mirror showed her to him so it was sort of like cosmic forces of the universe saying "HEY!  YOU!  LOOK AT THIS CHICK!!"  Obviously, when cosmic forces of the universe say that to you, you marry her.

Then, you have Edgar.  First of all, Rosella's basically enslaved and becomes his evil "mom's" errand girl.  So what if he saves her?  She still just went through hell at the hands of his family.  Then, he's like "Hey, Rosella, marry me!  I know nothing about you!"  And, seriously, Rosella's family was *just* turned upside down by not only Alex's return, but Graham's heart attack.  Then, I haven't played KQ7, but I don't think the circumstances of that were perfect for marrying either at the end.  I mean, rarely after an adventure, unless you're actually *looking* for somebody to marry in the adventure, do you want to get married at the end!
Besides, Edgar is clearly not that smart.  He seems to have a habit of being kidnapped and turned into ugly people.

[KatieHal]

Well, Storm, the strong independent type you just explained is exactly why she says no in the first place, being groomed for marriage and 18 years old aside.

Also, I beleive she is only 17...KQ4 takes place immediately after KQ3. It's stated that Mannanan kills his slaves on their 18th birthday so they don't become dangerous men who think and get ideas. So if Alex is under 18 when he leaves there, the reason for him still being alive, then Rosella is also under 18 because they are, after all, twins. Amount of time passing between leaving Llewdor and rescuing Rosella being a discrepancy...I say she's still 17, though barely. But anyhow.

Stockholm Syndrome, perhaps, but she was rarely IN the dungeon itself and had little interaction with Edgar while there. If anything she'd have fallen for a flying monkey if Stockholm Syndrome were the case.

As far as her lack of searching for Edgar - well, let's think. Say for giving her benefit of the doubt, that Rosella *does* like Edgar and does wonder about him and so forth.

However, as I think we all agree, she's an independent young woman, not to be nailed down by stereotypes and expectations. And possibly with a hefty dose of commitment-phobia to boot. That's why she never seeks him out or mentions him. She's afraid of the real thing (aka True Love) and will deny it to keep her independence and steer clear of the perils of falling for someone by all means. She doesn't mention even the possibility of any prospect to her mother, she tunes her out and shoots down every suggestion of such (I know how that works, I do it all the time when my parents bring up things I don't want to talk about or think about!). If Rosella had mentioned Edgar, Valanice would have latched onto that and never let it drop until she'd found the guy herself!

So even if Rosella had been interested in Edgar somewhat, she had every reason to NOT say anything about it or pursue it. Fear (especially of the unknown) is the greatest obstacle to overcome, after all, and the most difficult. Love in the romantic sense is entirely unknown to Rosella and she fears it greatly. And values her independence equally greatly.

And I never said whether or not my theories had to do with KQ9's Rosella ;-) But I'm having hashing out her personality and issues!

[KatieHal]

Oh, also, Rosella didn't know where to look for Edgar anyhow. He's not Lolotte's son, nor was he Geneva's, and Rosella did not know WHO he belonged to. It would be easy to presume and tell herself he was not in Tamir (which was true) but beyond that, she had no leads where he might be. Asking the mirror might be fruitless - it seems to act of its own accord and not on demand.

Therefore the fact Edgar did not seem to pursue her thereafter adds to her reasons to not mention or try to find him. His interest seemed to be lost! Why bother? It was a passing thing. Little does she know, of course, he's kidnapped AGAIN.   And still in love.  

[Questing Character]

Wow, Katie, you are good at this!!!!!!!! >applauds<

And for some strange reason, I think I'm starting to like Edgar more because of this thread.  >shudders< What is wrong with me?

[Storm]

Oh, also, Rosella didn't know where to look for Edgar anyhow. He's not Lolotte's son, nor was he Geneva's, and Rosella did not know WHO he belonged to. It would be easy to presume and tell herself he was not in Tamir (which was true) but beyond that, she had no leads where he might be.

She had no reason to assume he wasn't in Tamir. she didn't even need the mirror to show her where Tamir was as she's been there already - she could just say "The stars! I could navigate by the stars!" and sail there herself

[KatieHal]

Her saying he probably wasn't in Tamir anymore is a part of the whole 'I don't need a guy and I don't love anyone' denial-of-love/commitment-phobe bit....telling herself that Edgar probably would've left Tamir anyhow.

Very little makes me believe Rosella knows how to sail, much less navigate via stars!   <--laughing

Okay, now let's rip Edgar apart! Storm, after you

[Questing Character]

The other part about navigating by the stars is that she got transported there by Genesta's magic.......I played the beginning again today just to make sure.

[Questing Character]

You know, that's true!  Cassima had already seen the jar that Graham's family was in....who's to say Alexander hadn't already seen Cassima?
Or who's to say the two hadn't already had some conversations, maybe even a date or two, while Mordack slept?
Of course...there's the issue of height difference...

[Cassie]

Ok, here's my theory why Rosella was reluctant to hook up with Edgar in KQ7..mind KQ7. I thought of this theory because of an ex-neighbor whose elder sister got murdered by her boyfriend on a date. Result:- The parents became over-possesive of the second child and believe me, followed her around everywhere till the age of 18(esp her mom)

Now, what happened was this girl really got annoyed with her well-meaning parents(both of whom were really very nice people). She got so annoyed & embarrased that she would fight with her parents even for trivial reasons. Like there was this time when she & I went shopping with her mother & her mother wanted to buy her this smart black-colored jersey. But she refused to try it on & instead chose the only other option in the shop:- a terribly gaudy orange jersey with something that looked like white fungus growing on it. Now I knew that she preferred the black jersey to the orange one, but I figured that she chose the latter just to annoy & disobey her mother, just doing something for the heck of being different from her mother. And believe me, when her parents weren't around, she would be really mature.

And how is this connected to Rosella & Edgar? Simple. When Alexander was kidnapped, I'm sure her parents(Valanice especially) grew over-possesive of her, forcing her to always be this proper little princess, be polite to people she didn't even like and wouldn't let her adventure even a bit. Result:- She turned into a bratty teenager(The third KQ book, 'See No Weevil').

She mellowed down a bit after a while due to her brother's return and her father's heart-attack. As Katie said, she turned Edgar down in KQ4 because of the bad timing. Now after KQ6,(with Alex well settled and all), I'm sure Valanice coaxed Rosella to get married by using prehistoric dialogues like, "Well, it would be sooo nice if you settle down and have a nice family just like your brother", and "Young girls in Kolyma have no time for adventuring. They are busy sewing their wedding dresses". (Yeah, like mothers can be that lame & IRRITATING to teenage girls. Ask me!)

Back to the topic, Rosella really grew annoyed with her mother and must have imagined of all sorts of reasons to break away from her. And thus it was one of those dull mornings when Valanice was busy imparting one of her numerous lectures to Rosella that the latter got so exasperated and thought of getting into the first one's bad books by acting downright immature and showing disrespect by jumping into the pool under her mother's nose. Unfortunately it turned out to be a vortex and you know what happened next. Now, when Rosella was reunited with Edgar (under peaceful conditions & no time constraints), her mother was right there with her. So I'm guessing this is what happened, when Edgar proposed to her again she must have felt like saying yes(She must have developed a crush on him by now) but she knew that by saying yes she would satisfy her mother one way or the other(I think Valanice wouldn't raise a huge objection over Rosella getting hooked with Edgar. As long as she was settling down with a prince, it was fine).
But Rosella was so angry with her mother(by the way, what was she doing in her, ROSELLA'S adventure) that she decided against pleasing her and satisfying her wants and flatly refused poor Edgar again.

WOW! I know Rosella or what? Cheesy though it is, this is my theory since I'm a teenage girl and can really relate to Rosella's feelings...or think I can anyway. Correct me if you want to.

[KatieHal]

Umm...you've played KQ7, right?   Or no?

[FataliOmega]

Ok, I really was going to read all of the longwinded "Rosella/Edgar" posts, but after about the fourth Katie post, I just decided to skip to the end, and topic shift.

Ok, lets talk "Connor." The kingdom has JUST escaped eternal petrification thanks to the heroic actions of a bold, young peasant.

The question that the peasantry should be thinking is, "Just where were our Magic wielding prince, and hero knight king?" If you ask me, Daventry's Citizens should be somewhat displeased with their royal "guardians"

Connor, on the other hand, is every low to middle class citizens' dream hero. Selflessly, without thought of reward, one of their very own locals takes up swords against an unstoppable villain. Wouldn't he make a great king...

                                  ...and wouldnt the Great King Graham be somewhat less than happy about the idea.

The peasants remember when King Graham first became king by doing a spontaneous act of "community service" back in KQ1.

Daventry Royalty seems to be all but fleeing Daventry itself by marrying into other kingdoms.

And Graham is reaching a rather old age.

If Kings and Queens fail to do their job, why keep them if theres a younger, stronger person to replace them?

If you ask me, I say there's got to be some serious tension right now between the hero of the hour, Graham's family, and the Daventry countrymen.

[Say]

LOL!! love this thread now

I love some of these inputs lol you creative cookies

[FataliOmega]

lol. Fair enough.    I wont mention it again. Still, I thought it would be a clever spin to throw on things. Besides, even if the peasantry wouldnt/couldnt revolt, they still might have some reservations about the aforementioned decisions.... You really expect olde style peasants to act logically? HAH!  

"One person is intelligent, People are blind and stupid"