Did James Carville really say this?

[Baggins]

Some would say defend our own borders diligently (keep them out), while looking for any home grown cells (apparently quite a few if you believe Justice Holder and Secretary Napolitano).

Of course the former would mean we would probably have to close off travel to the rest of the world, because we couldn't trust other nations to keep terrorists off the planes and boats...

There was also a recent CIA report that Hamas and Hizbollah cells in Mexico, being a larger and more organized threat than Al Queda ever was/is.

As Napolitano says (channeling the KGB, Gestapo, and 1984);  "If You See Something, Say Something".

[KatieHal]

Reasons why the "War on Terror" is seen as a disturbingly vague and bad idea by many.

LOL. That's also the safety slogan of the public transit system in Boston!

[Baggins]

Was it the slogan in Boston before or after Napolitano?

Because that slogan is showing up all over the place since she made it her campaign... Including Wallmart! Watch your fellow customers they might be hidin something (If only they would hide their cracks better :p)...

I noticed it in the NYC metro system as well.

[KatieHal]

No idea. It's been the slogan as long as I can remember, but that doesn't really help. I mean, as safety slogans go, it's a pretty good one, really. Short, simple to remember (with some help from alliteration), and the T's a crowded busy mess--it makes sense to ask for and encourage help from the T-goers in keeping the place safe.

[Baggins]

http://www.dhs.gov/files/reportincidents/see-something-say-something.shtm

Well it's eerily similar to commands made by various toltalitarian regimes, to watch your friends, neighbors and family and report any subversive behavior.

To paraphrase Benjamin Franklin;

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Add to this that on whitehouse.gov there are requests for people to report friends, family or neighbors conversations and emails that criticize Obama's healthcare reform. They even have a handy email to send reports to.
 
I don't cate if some people might be ignorant, I don't feel like turning people over to the government just because they ask. That's creepy...

Alot of this kin of thing started under Bush's patriot act, and Obama has just continued it.

Serious privacy violation issues...

[snabbott]

Big Brother is watching you...

[Sir Perceval of Daventry]

I truly wish Tea Party people would stop trying to hide behind the label of "Independent."
You are what you are; own it.

[Baggins]

So now Joe Lieberman is a Tea Party member?!

Would you stop with the accusations and personal attacks please?

Seriously the idealogy-based witch hunts on both sides are insane!

http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2010/0216/Tea-party-activists-Don-t-confuse-them-with-independents

As far as I understand the Tea Party the majority of them are Republican social conservatives. It's claimed that the Republican party even funded many of their candidates... The Tea Party hate moderates and so-called Rhinos, which I'd most likely fall under if I was a politician.

Independents have been around long before there was a even a tea party, remember it was largely independents who voted for Obama! They also voted Bush in before that (I personally despise Bush and voted against him, he's largely at fault for instituting Big Brother wire-tapping and breaking privacy through patriot act, which the current administistration has unfortunately continued and expanded upon).

Way to alienate your voting base!

[Blackthorne]

Yep.  It's a logical fallacy for one to say all independents are tea-partiers. 


Bt

[KatieHal]

Indeed it is.

I'm not sure if that was meant as a personal accusation, Perceval, and I hope it wasn't, but either way, I'll remind you again: while politics and other often controversial topics are welcomed here, it's only so long as people are civil about it. Accusatory (and blanket) statements are not in the spirit of that civility. If you're going to join in this particular conversation, do so with respect and an open mind for debate and disagreement.

[Baggins]

Out of civility I apologize if I have offended any fellow Independents, Democrats, Republicans, Green Party, Communist Party, Libertarians, Anarchists or even Tea Party members, etc, even parties affiliated with international governments that may be visiting this thread.

I'm interested in hearing diverse POV's and reading any civil debate that comes out of it! I'm just have little interest in idealogues and political attacks and character smearing!