What if there was a KQ1 Retelling/Redux?

[Blackthorne]

I agree with Perceval - not every secret has to have some kind of unifying answer.

As for the "lost" treasures?  They just got stolen and lost over the years due to declining power and carelessness - not some plot by The Black Cloaks.  If someone made a KQ1 remake like that, I'd hunt them down and punch them in the bollocks for being stupid.

I would like to see a larger Daventry, though - more homes, shops, inhabitants.... it's a countryside with people who live in it.  The valley should be inhabited.

I'd also get rid of the "magical containment" and give it borders.


Bt

[KatieHal]

I'd also get rid of the "magical containment" and give it borders.

Oh god. This, this, a thousand times this!

Anyways. Re: "secrets" etc, yes yes, we all know Perceval hates TSL's style. Old news, not the topic, snore, let's move on.

Also, I don't think anyone even said they wanted that in this thread anyways. The question was geared towards, if AGDI did a "KQ1+" remake, what would people like to see in it, which naturally leads to wanting to see hints of their own overarching additional plot in it. Which makes sense for us to discuss here given the nature of the question.

Everyone else has mostly said that things that could be expanded on include things about the treasures, about Edward, about the kingdom of Daventry.

But yeah, seriously, anything to get rid of that magical containment BS.

[Baggins]

KQ2RtS and KQ3 Redux already made the treasures more complicated and a bit of deus ex machina, suggesting they were all created by Legenimor, part of even more treasures he created for the purpose of his kingdom. The trilogy even shows about half a dozen of these great treasures of Legenimor. They even hint at Morgeilen's use, or attempt to use some of these treasures. For example using the mirror to manipulate Graham, intentionally sending him to Kolyma to have him killed.

In general AGDI's games stories are a hell of a lot more complicated than IA's remake. TSL is just as complicated if not more so. Some think that's good others hate this kind of thing.

I found the games enjoyable though I prefer the canon games more. I think it would be interesting to see AGDI's take on a KQ1 if they were to redesign it to fit more closely into the universe they both established and hinted at in the later games of their series. I don't see their series as replacing the canon, but a kind of alternate universe, entertaining in it's own way.

I also agree that KQ1 redux needs to get rid of 'wrap-around', and offer defined borders to fit into the rest of the games in the trilogy.

[Blackthorne]

I suppose if AGDI did a + remake, they would want to tie to to their established history continutity, with that Legenimor and Morgelien crap.  And, if they HAD to do it, it would better be done in subtle ways... hints, allegations, whispers of legends.... anything less would lessen the impact of Gervain's place in 2.

Bt

[Baggins]

That's how they have done it so far, I wouldn't expect anything more than that.

[Damar]

Exactly.  If this was just a retelling of KQ1 then I wouldn't want any kind of bigger plot going on.  The treasures were stolen through the naivety of King Edward and that's that.  But since the topic specifically brought up AGDI, I think they would be obligated to expand their mythology that they put in all the other games.  They put in a few references in KQIII Redux, and that game had a lot more going on plotwise without any additions.  By contrast, KQI has always seemed a pretty basic and empty game to me.  So while I would still prefer that the treasures being taken not have an overarching baddy overseeing everything, it would make sense with AGDI continuity because that's what they've done so far.  Basically, that's the corner they painted themselves into.  Even if you don't think the Father would be necessary in a KQI redux, it wouldn't make sense for him not to show up or have some influence.  He wants the King's crown and he's not going to step up when the king is dying without an heir?  That makes even less sense given AGDI continuity.

Ideally, if AGDI did it, though, I'd rather see the treasures having been lost over the course of Edward's reign without an overarching conspiracy and the Father is basically only involved because Edward is dying and he wants the crown.  But given what AGDI has done before, they'd tie it all in with the father.  If you've made Lolotte (the most independent and evil of KQ antagonists) a Black Cloak, then you're pretty dead set on tying every little thing together, I'd say.  But regardless, I think that an expanded Daventry would be a good way to present AGDI's Father mythology.  Daventry is supposed to be this mythical, ancient land tied in with the First King and the alien travelers who became the First Mages, so what better place to expand on that mythology.  I might not be the biggest fan of the Father and that whole subplot, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't be interested to see exactly what all the background is on him and how AGDI would have tied everything up in the end.

[Baggins]

There are some things...

Each of the villains, the sorcerer, the dwarf, and the witch, do need somethign fleshing out their backstories... We only know a few things about each already, which have driven speculation of conspiracies in fan fiction already (even vague hints at something larger in the official King's Quest Companion as well)!

For example according to the short story prologue, we know the sorcerer lied to the king, acting as if he was a seer of the future, telling them they would have a son. They thought the mirror verified his information! It is said that the sorcerer's dwelling is the Dragon's Lair.  He had put the treasure there, with one of his guardians, specifically the dragon guarding over it. But, we don't ever see him down there! What about in the remake? Could the cave be expanded ala the Enchanter's cave in KQ2RTS? What about the guardians? What other guardians does he have? Have we seen some of them in the game already (ogre, giant, troll, rat, etc)? Even Companion hinted at ties between the sorcerer, the enchanter and Manannan even, through an organization known as the Magicians' Guild, suggesting a possible conspiracy! Manannan already knew enough about that mirror to black it out, when he kidnapped Alexander, so no one would follow him! AGDI also has Morgeilen use it to manipulate Graham during KQ2RTS.

Dahlia has probably the most fleshed out role already. She went as far as tricking the king into marrying the king, after he saved her from wolves, which she apparently is able to control (this is a nod to the random wolf that tries to kill graham), and then went on to steal the treasure on their wedding night, before flying off into the clouds to deposit the treasure up in the mountain/s. She is the only villain in the game, that Graham can actually do away with, in a somewhat violent manner! But a few questions, why does she have a note about Rumplestiltskin? Rumpy, is a good guy, she is evil. Why would she be connected to him?

The Dwarf, might even have gone as far to poisoned Edward's previous wife (she got worse after taking eating the root)! I think the Companion, even hinted at this possibility. But what is the motive? Isn't this a little too convenient for Dahlia, who showed up a few months later (to seem more than a coincidence)? Is he perhaps Dahlia's minion? Come to think of it, if Edward still had the mirror, he might have foreseen the Dwarf and Dahlia's treachery (is that not a little too convenient as well)?...and what is his connection to the leprechauns? Why would he have them taking care of the treasure?

Already, the backstories are a bit more complicated than, 'having just lost the treasures'. But each individual manipulated the king, and tricked them into giving up the treasures. Each of these specific treasures were needed to protect the kingdom; protect the crops, prevent invasions, and pay for all troops/supplies! Without these Daventry was nearly invaded by foreign forces! Infact its hinted at that, that the kingdom is about to be defeated! Who were these invaders, where were they from? Eusperia (a land that AGDI has been name dropping in KQ2RTS and KQ3R, or is that saved for the hypothetical sequel game)?

Rumpy for that matter could use an extension, maybe something in KQ1RTS can add to that relationship! Perhaps he should show up at the coronation at the end of the game! KQ3 established that he has long been a friend of the family.
I also can't but think that there is a strange parallel between the The Father's three curses on Graham, and Edward's loss of the three treasures! Why do things that could potentially destroy the kingdom, always come in threes?

If you've made Lolotte (the most independent and evil of KQ antagonists) a Black Cloak, then you're pretty dead set on tying every little thing together, I'd say.

They went as far as making Lolotte not only a Black Cloak, but the sister of Malicia! So they made Malicia a Black Cloak as well!

Yet, they haven't mentioned or expanded on Shadrack! Hmm there is an unnamed wizard who stole a magic mirror, and is said to have assorted guardians, including the dragon (in the prologue story)! On a related note, when this said sorcerer casts his spell on you, he leaves you open for other bad guys, like the ogre, wolf, dwarf, to come in and attack you! Guardians?

[MusicallyInspired]

I thought Malicia was already Lolotte's sister.

[Baggins]

No, Titania is Malicia's sister, and Weaver of Dreams is apparently their brother.

Lolotte has no relationship. This is mentioned in the whole explanation made at the end of KQ7 (Edgar says he wasn't really related to her), and in more detail in the backstories in KQ7 hintbook by Lorelei Shannon.

If she was Titania's sister, she would have been Edgar's aunt. However, as he says in the game, he isn't related to her! So put those facts together, they (Lolotte and Titania) obviously aren't related.

Also on bad ending, Titania and Oberon call "Lolotte" an evil faery that kidnapped their son. She doesn't call her a 'sister', like she definitely acknowledges Malicia as being. But rather treats her as a fairy unconnected to them, that had attempted to kidnap their son in the past.


Hmm another character in KQ1, who could use a bit of an expansion, Graham's fairy godmother? Is she related to the faeries of Etheria? Or could she be modified to into being Genesta, as a nod to KQ4! Could she have new puzzles associated with her based on Cinderella? Granted that opens up a good question, if AGDI went the route of their games on a KQ4 redux, would they keep Genesta's name (a direct fairy tale reference, in the same way they kept Manannan and Lolotte's names) or would they rename her via an anagram to further separate her from her mythic roots (ala Smaude and Caldaur)? Granted Genesta like Manannan and Lolotte represent major characters in KQ mythos so less likely to have their names changed I think.

[Blackthorne]

I think that the Sorcerer was King Edwards gay lover, and because Edward eventually spurned him and denied their love in public, the Sorcerer plotted revenge by stealing the mirror and hiding it in a cave, guarded by his pet Dragon - Barnaby.   The Dwarf is actually a transsexual alien who, being stranded in Daventry after his craft crashed into the moat, eeked out a living by stealing from the people of Daventry.   On his planet, he is tall, but due to the difference in gravity, he's short in Daventry - which compacts his brain and leads to his anger.

The Leprechauns grow "magic mushrooms" which they sell to people as a hallucinogenic drug, which the people use recreationaly and consume while listening to a popular band of roving minstrels called "Ye Greatful Departed".  The king tried to shut down their operation, so in retaliation, they stole his magic shield and are holding it ransom to allow their drug trade to continue.

The Giant, Longinious the Bulge, only ever wanted to be a famous singer, but his mangled and large vocal chords only allowed him to sing a Bb note three octaves below middle 'C'.  Because this note is the "brown note", which causes any person who hears it to spontaneously defecate his/her pants, he was banned from singing by King Edward.  He fled to the sky kingdom (Which he found while crying) and stole Edward's Magic Chest, because nothing sooths crying like crying on a pile of money.

The Witch actually was once a beautiful woman, who was a bit of a w****.  In fact, she bore almost 30 children out of wedlock.  This made her turn green and witch like, as throwing thirty babies out of a womb will drain anyone.  Old and bitter, she decided that kids would make better sweets than being birthed, so she started eating them.  Her dream is to sell her sweets on ye olde internets someday.


And that's the real backstory.

Bt

[Baggins]

That sounds more like the plot of Royal Quest I: Retrieving Lost s***.

There sure are a lot of gay slash fans in this thread... Or at least one or two (you and Lambonius)...

[Lambonius]

There sure are a lot of gay slash fans in this thread... Or at least one or two (you and Lambonius)...

If it's gay to be a fan of grown men cuddling and sharing their emotions, well just dress me in pink and hand me that there dildo!

[Damar]

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that was the fourth magical treasure.  Graham recovered it from the Fairy Godmother and eventually gave it to Valanice as a consolation for his constantly being away on quests.  And thus happiness and contentment always reigned in Daventry.

[Baggins]

Nah, it was an inhabitant of the Frozen Reaches, his appearance made Connor and Queen Freesa become a bit randy! "What is this curious slot?" Zippppp!

[KatieHal]

Sounds more like a King's Quest/Requiem for a Dream crossover....

[Blackthorne]

I don't think it's really gay slash fan-fiction.  It's just more real and gritty.  There's gay people in the world, man, and many have been monarchs.  There's also a large drug problem;  I address that with the leprechauns.  And singing, ala Glee, is real popular right now - so we have the giant have aspirations there.

I've just added depth, grit and realism to King's Quest.  I'm mighty satisfied with myself.

C'mon, Lambo.  Let's go cuddle.


Bt

[Baggins]

See Blackthorne it's a shame Royal Quest was cancelled you probably would have gotten your wish! I think it also had Graham kidnapping and burning babies, or at least stealing candy from them, True Grit.