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Some Questions About Dreams
« on: November 30, 2011, 06:42:53 PM »
There are some things about the dream sequences that I'm not too clear about.

When Valanice is trying to open Pandora's box, she is having a dream, is that not correct?  Rosella and Shadrak were also in that dream.  Was Rosella also dreaming the same dream?  What about Shadrak?  Doesn't Pandora's box exist in a physical location besides in the dream?  Or, in the TSL universe, is Dreamworld itself a physical location?  Because, while Valanice was opening Pandora's Box, she was still physically in bed in the Green Isles.  So did opening Pandora's box in the dream also result in the actual Pandora's Box in the physical world's being opened?  And if she had refused or failed to open Pandora's Box, and Rosella had died in the dream, would that also have resulted in her dying in the physical world?

The tower sequence in Episode 3 occurred after Valanice's opening Pandora's box in Episode 4, did it not?

If Graham needs to collect the spell ingredients before traveling to Dreamworld and entering Alexander's and Rosella's dreams, how was he able to enter Valanice's dream in the tower sequence?
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Re: Some Questions About Dreams
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2011, 07:56:30 PM »
Those are excellent questions.

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Re: Some Questions About Dreams
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2011, 10:39:08 PM »
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I take that to mean that the answers will be provided in episode 5.
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Re: Some Questions About Dreams
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2011, 11:04:01 PM »
If you pay attention to the Tower sequence in Episode 3, you can see that Valanice controls the dragons, as is the reference when she opens the box in Ep 4. Hence, the whole action sequence of 3 is likely Valanice trying to scare away Graham, so he doesn't learn too much - even to the point of killing him to guard her secret. Creepy lady, if you ask me. :P

And, on top of that, when Graham reaches her, she pushes him out of her mind - he just fades away before her memory kicks in about being trapped in the tower.

Once Ep 5 is over, Graham may want to look into a divorce - or sleep with one eye open! ;)

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Re: Some Questions About Dreams
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2011, 08:13:56 AM »
Interesting theory... :suffer:

There are some hints in Ep4 that suggest at least partial answers to some of these questions. :)
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Re: Some Questions About Dreams
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2011, 09:28:15 AM »
I've always gotten the impression that the physical world and the dream world are sometimes unstable. At the end of Ep.2 when we see Alexander and Manannan I thought that it was just a bit of a "glitch" in which Graham wasn't supposed to be able to see the dream world, but his drive to save his family gave pushed him into the dream world, at least for just a few seconds.

Frankly I've been believing that being in the dream world is some sort of Matrix thing where you can place your consciousness inside of the dream and, while it's just a dream and your consciousness, you can still die in it. That's why Graham was able to die to Shadows in the Tower Sequence even though he was in a dream at the time. If you let Shadrack kill Rosella in the dream world, Rosella would've immediately died in her bed.

My theory on Pandora's Box is that the actual Box wasn't there and that Shadrack created that area of the dream and a "dream Box" to make Valanice believe that she was opening the Box. If she -believes- that she opens the box in the dream, then in the physical world, the box will be opened. Since the physical Box is unreachable, the only way for Shadrack to obtain the physical one was to make Valanice "wish it" to happen in the dream world by using Rosella as bait.

I think that the spell ingredients were still necessary for Graham to enter the dream world even though he's been in it a couple times. He needs to go in there willingly and fully, not just for a few minutes because of "glitches."

I don't know though, I sorta lost track of the story where it was implied that Shadrack was Graham's pupil 1000 years ago  ::)

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Re: Some Questions About Dreams
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2011, 11:38:59 AM »
I seem to recall it being said that at least a part of the power of the Silver Cloaks was that they could bring things from the Dreamworld into the physical world and vice versa, and that Rosella is of Silver Cloak descent.  My thought, then, is that through Rosella's latent power as a Silver Cloak Shadrack gained access to the actual Pandora's Box, either by her re-creating it in a dream built from her memories (where her power made it as real as the original) or by having her power draw the real Box into dream.

Hence, after all, the episode title: it was in Rosella's memory locked, and Valanice herself kept the key of it.

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Re: Some Questions About Dreams
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2011, 12:17:16 PM »
I don't know though, I sorta lost track of the story where it was implied that Shadrack was Graham's pupil 1000 years ago  ::)

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Re: Some Questions About Dreams
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2011, 12:57:32 PM »
I seem to recall it being said that at least a part of the power of the Silver Cloaks was that they could bring things from the Dreamworld into the physical world and vice versa, and that Rosella is of Silver Cloak descent.  My thought, then, is that through Rosella's latent power as a Silver Cloak Shadrack gained access to the actual Pandora's Box, either by her re-creating it in a dream built from her memories (where her power made it as real as the original) or by having her power draw the real Box into dream.

Hence, after all, the episode title: it was in Rosella's memory locked, and Valanice herself kept the key of it.

bingo! It's all right there in the episodes. You just have to make the connections :)

But that's exactly the reason for the long ass title. It was way too good and too perfect to shorten it :)


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Re: Some Questions About Dreams
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2011, 02:14:52 PM »
I admit that title irritates the journalist in me. I can't help thinking it should be more concise.
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Re: Some Questions About Dreams
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2011, 02:28:44 PM »
Originally, I had shortened it to "Tis in My Memory Locked and you Shall Keep its Key", but Michael and Katie felt we should use the original Shakespeare quote, so we went with the full thing.

At one point, Katie suggested just calling it "This is my memory locked", but I felt the most important part of the title was the key part. I guess it could have been "The key of It" but that just sounded weird. So, eh, we went with the whole thing. It encompasses everything related to Pandora's Box.


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Re: Some Questions About Dreams
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2011, 09:51:33 PM »
If you pay attention to the Tower sequence in Episode 3, you can see that Valanice controls the dragons, as is the reference when she opens the box in Ep 4.

Why do you say Valanice controls the dragons?  What referemce are you referring to in Episode 4?
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Re: Some Questions About Dreams
« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2011, 01:08:55 AM »
Originally, I had shortened it to "Tis in My Memory Locked and you Shall Keep its Key", but Michael and Katie felt we should use the original Shakespeare quote, so we went with the full thing.

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Re: Some Questions About Dreams
« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2011, 04:18:03 PM »
If you pay attention to the Tower sequence in Episode 3, you can see that Valanice controls the dragons, as is the reference when she opens the box in Ep 4.

Why do you say Valanice controls the dragons?  What referemce are you referring to in Episode 4?

If you watch what Valanice does when Graham reaches her in the tower (in Episode 3), you can see her stop them and send them away.

In Episode 4, as Valanice finishes the box puzzle, the dragon comes out of the mirror. If you LOOK at the dragon over her shoulder, the Narrator says that the dragon looks at Valanice with respect. Then, you have to click the dragon and use the dragon cursor (or, its power) to open the box. At that time, listen to Shadrack's comment about Valanice remembering her past - it seems directly associated with her power over the dragon(s).

- Mind you, what happened in Episode 3 was after "The night before," when Valanice opened the Box, using her recently-regained power.

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Re: Some Questions About Dreams
« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2011, 08:55:12 PM »
If you watch what Valanice does when Graham reaches her in the tower (in Episode 3), you can see her stop them and send them away.
Yes, I remember seeing the dragons flying away, but I didn't realize that it was Valanice who sent them away.  I'll have to play that part again.

If you LOOK at the dragon over her shoulder, the Narrator says that the dragon looks at Valanice with respect. Then, you have to click the dragon and use the dragon cursor (or, its power) to open the box.
I stopped playing when I got to this puzzle and watched the rest of the episode on LP video, but now you've motivated me to go back and play that part.
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