Winter has come.

[KatieHal]

As a teen, I read and loved the "Young Jedi Knights" Series about Han & Leia's twins learning to become jedi. Simple stuff, but fun, and I think they got better as they went.

It made me sad to read about what happened with the twins as adults in some of the books that came out a few years ago. I didn't read the books themselves, but summaries of the storylines.

But back to KQ. That's a pretty good summary of the KQ-style, Deloria/darthkiwi.

[Bludshot]

And, for the record bt, I happen to like both the original trilogy AND the prequel trilogy (INCLUDING The Phantom Menace)! Just sayin'. Don't try to change my mind 'bout it.

I'm going to try and change your mind about it...with the help of internet critic personalities.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI

[Lambonius]

GRAND ADMIRAL THRAWN!  THRAAWWWWWNNNNN!!!  KAAAAHHHHHHHHHHNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!

[Blackthorne]

Thrawn was pretty cool.  I'll give it up for that.


Bt

[Delling]

A list of things you'd need for a new KQ game, stolen from Darthkiwi because my post count is dearer to me than my boyfriend's feelings on plagiarism :

1) Family values
2) Characters from other games used in new ways
3) A really simple plot which starts everything off
4) A loosely coherent world with lots of room for free expression
5) Nice people to talk to
6) Some sub-quests and perhaps sub-villains to beat
7) A finale in which the day is saved and evil is vanquished, but that's kind of irrelevant because (shocker!) the nice family is back together again.

The last point has been snarked by me and all ire should be directed at me.

I actually agree with all of that, but if KQ were to continue, there are roughly 3 elements I'd want to see played out: Alexander and Rosella should have kids (so, yes, we are entering the realm/question of dynasty), said kids should distinguish themselves in remarkable ways--not least of all might be not returning home in the end (this plays into that theme of people having lives and adventures, but it does so in a way that can build into the idea of people being people without being defined by family--something KQ is doing in 6 and 7 with giving Rosella and Alexander forward looking at least quasi-adult/independent trajectories for their lives: people grow up and leave home), and The Black Cloak Society should be addressed.

Personally, I would interpret the BCS differently from TSL. I think they would be some sort of conspiratorial/machiavellian loose network of wizards who operate outside of the usual ethics, organizations, etc., of that profession (the sort of Crispin vs. Mordack dynamic/question as introduced in 5).

Actually, I might take issue with point #5: setting them down in a hostile world would be entertaining on occasion. (Actually, looking back, KQ1 is a pretty hostile environment! Unless you've got your goat with you. You should keep a goat with you. )So, I think points 5 and 7 though traditional elements of KQ could and possibly should be subverted in sequels.

Some other possibilities, I'd say, would be sidequests and meta-goals. KQ2 has the "collect all the sapphires" meta-goal. I can't think of any side-quests in KQ actually... things you don't HAVE TO do but which are nonetheless available bits of narrative lying around.

[Deloria]

That always seemed silly to me. I'd much rather not have sapphires than have a future husband who insisted on looking in every stump and knothole for them while I was trapped in a tower somewhere. Not that I'd ever leave the tower anyway, but straight men should fail so much less at empathy than they do. Getting all the sapphires doesn't even do anything for you; there are no extra puzzles or animations or cutscenes and, apart from getting points every time you find them, pretty much nothing about the game changes in any way.

[Sir Perceval of Daventry]

I think a KQ sequel--fan made or otherwise--which had as the protagonist say Edgar or Cassima--would be cool. Like, you could have two protagonists, King Graham as one and Cassima as the other, or something like that. Roberta vaguely touched on the idea that she might've wanted to see a Connor-Rosella-Edgar love triangle in a sequel. I really don't think these characters are done or that you can't do anything further with them.

[Delling]

That always seemed silly to me. I'd much rather not have sapphires than have a future husband who insisted on looking in every stump and knothole for them while I was trapped in a tower somewhere. Not that I'd ever leave the tower anyway, but straight men should fail so much less at empathy than they do. Getting all the sapphires doesn't even do anything for you; there are no extra puzzles or animations or cutscenes and, apart from getting points every time you find them, pretty much nothing about the game changes in any way.

That always bugged me too actually...

I think a KQ sequel--fan made or otherwise--which had as the protagonist say Edgar or Cassima--would be cool. Like, you could have two protagonists, King Graham as one and Cassima as the other, or something like that. Roberta vaguely touched on the idea that she might've wanted to see a Connor-Rosella-Edgar love triangle in a sequel. I really don't think these characters are done or that you can't do anything further with them.

I don't know how well a Rosella-Edgar-Connor love triangle could hold together ... but I would suggest having that game quickly in any plans to relaunch the series so as to nip it in the bud quickly. (Alternatively, if you wanted to get in on shipping mania you could keep it going as an overarching plot for probably 2-3 games. RosEdgar all the way! Tho' )

[GrahamRocks!]

*eye twitches* Rosella... Edgar... Connor... love triangle? Why?! Doesn't Connor love Sarah?

[Bludshot]

Hehe.  It'll be the first KQ soap opera.

[Deloria]

*eye twitches* Rosella... Edgar... Connor... love triangle? Why?! Doesn't Connor love Sarah?

She's just plain.

[GrahamRocks!]

Whuh? I'm sure if she were written better (like everyone else should have been. Maybe I should do an "adaptation fic' of that too after I finish 5?) you wouldn't say that she's "plain".

[Numbers]

Whuh? I'm sure if she were written better (like everyone else should have been. Maybe I should do an "adaptation fic' of that too after I finish 5?) you wouldn't say that she's "plain".

Sorry to say this, but the first impression is always the most long-lasting one, and given that the first thing we saw Sarah do was announce "Hark! A sudden wind!" as if breezes were a rare occurrence, I think the damage has already been done forever.

Also, in regards to this thread's concurrent discussion regarding Star Wars, everything Blackthorne has said has been absolutely right. Even though there are aspects of Star Wars I enjoy outside of the movies (anyone who recognizes the character in my avatar probably figured that out already), I still consider them to be in their own alternate universes, since there is no way in hell that everything could be canon.

[GrahamRocks!]

Good point about both Sarah and Star Wars. Sigh... oh well, so much for my idea. Then again, as you said, "First impressions count!" which is also true for Cedric, and loook what I've been trying to do him regardless!