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Started by dark-daventry, November 06, 2012, 08:36:50 AM

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As I'm sure many of you have heard by now, Disney has acquired Lucasfilm, lucasarts and Industrial Light and Magic for $4.05 billion. In addition, they've announced a new trilogy of Star Wars movies, with episode 7 set for 2015, and each sequel following two years later. What does everyone think about this acquisition? Is it a good idea? Lets get a discussion going! Bring some life back to the forums!
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Okay...I gotta be honest, I've been avoiding this topic because for some reason, it really, really bothers me. When I heard it on the radio the morning after it happened, when they officially announced it, I cried my brown eyes out! It was like, "This has been one B*TCH of a year. Now, just when I'm feeling okay again, they shatter my last little bit of security?! What is up with the universe?!"

However, I'm not sure how I feel about what will happen for the future of Star Wars (because, seriously, that's what I'm the most concerned about in this business ordeal!). When I got to school, still all upset about it, one of friends comforted me with several good points, but the best one was that it's Disney. As he said, "they inherently want the best for everyone. No matter what, they'll try to make everyone happy!" Wise words, my green-haired friend. Wise words indeed!

I think what bothers me the most out of all of this is--seriously, what can they possibly do with this storyline?! The rebels won (ooops, should I slap on a spoiler tag? :P), Han and Leia end up together, Luke comes to terms with his dad...what more can we ask for? Quit milking this cash cow! Besides, if you've followed fanfic but at all, you know what happens in their future.

I don't know. I am pretty upset still. What do other opinionated Questers think?
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I've been mixed on the whole thing. I'm mostly concerned that Disney has destroyed my childhood lately, and this is just another franchise they can ruin for me. While I *want* to see more Star Wars, I think I always thought of a third trilogy (which had been rumored for years) as more of a pipe dream than anything else. I'm more concerned about the shows and the games than I am the movies, honestly. What will happen to The Clone Wars now? It's likely to switch networks, but will Disney keep it going, or end it? Furthermore, what about the myriad Star Wars games that are in (or rumored to be in) development? Will Battlefront 3 ever actually happen? I think all I can do is wait and see what happens. The other question I have is what will happen to the 3d conversions of the movies? They announced that episodes 2 and 3 were coming in the fall of 2013, but will Disney actually keep that going?
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Quote from: dark-daventry on November 06, 2012, 10:13:47 AM
While I *want* to see more Star Wars, I think I always thought of a third trilogy (which had been rumored for years) as more of a pipe dream than anything else.
With the atrocities that were episodes I-III, I was really, really glad when Lucas more or less said he would not be making another sequel trilogy. I vaguely remember him saying that he had ideas for them (or did he say they were written already?), but I always assumed that if they were to be released, they'd be in script form as a book or something.

You know what sucks is, and I'm sure other fans feel this way, I HAVE to see the sequels. I'm upset and I feel betrayed by it, but I'm also a fan and I have to know what they do with my series. Even if they suck worse than the prequels (and if the rumors of Kristen Stewart playing Leia are true, they will!), I have to see it if no other reason than to know my enemy and justify why they were terrible/good/whatever happens.

Quote from: dark-daventry on November 06, 2012, 10:13:47 AM
The other question I have is what will happen to the 3d conversions of the movies? They announced that episodes 2 and 3 were coming in the fall of 2013, but will Disney actually keep that going?
Oh, that I'm sure they''ll continue. :) That's something most fans would like to see, and they'd be dumb not to continue with it. If nothing else, they gotta keep on making more money!
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Quote from: Haids1987 on November 06, 2012, 09:56:13 AM
I think what bothers me the most out of all of this is--seriously, what can they possibly do with this storyline?!
One thing they could do is make the point that although the empire has been defeated, evil (a.k.a. "The Dark Side") still exists. Whether there's enough to justify a new trilogy remains to be seen, though. :-\

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dark-daventry

Considering how vast the Star Wars universe actually is, there is always content they can pull on. Why don't they move away from the characters we'be seen and go with something from the expanded universe. Hell, turn KOTOR into a movie or something.
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dark-daventry

Interesting article to read. I'm going to play the wait and see approach with Star Wars, but until I see at least a trailer for episode 7 (which isn't likely to come for awhile) ill be cautiously optimistic. That being said, I feel it's important to note that I'm actually a bigger Star Trek fan than I am Star Wars. That isn't to say I don't like Star Wars (I had a very unhealthy obsession with it as a kid), I just prefer that other big science fiction property...
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Quote from: dark-daventry on November 06, 2012, 10:13:47 AM
I've been mixed on the whole thing. I'm mostly concerned that Disney has destroyed my childhood lately, and this is just another franchise they can ruin for me. While I *want* to see more Star Wars, I think I always thought of a third trilogy (which had been rumored for years) as more of a pipe dream than anything else. I'm more concerned about the shows and the games than I am the movies, honestly. What will happen to The Clone Wars now? It's likely to switch networks, but will Disney keep it going, or end it? Furthermore, what about the myriad Star Wars games that are in (or rumored to be in) development? Will Battlefront 3 ever actually happen? I think all I can do is wait and see what happens. The other question I have is what will happen to the 3d conversions of the movies? They announced that episodes 2 and 3 were coming in the fall of 2013, but will Disney actually keep that going?

I'm not too worried about the fact that it's Disney that's in charge of this. Disney owns Marvel too, and the Avengers came out of that union. The other recent Marvel movies haven't been too shabby either. If there's anything bad that Disney has done to Marvel, I sure don't see it.

Let's see here...the Clone Wars will most likely be getting switched to the Disney Channel after its current season, which is fine by me. It's on a Saturday morning time-slot right now, which is very inconvenient to say the least.

Battlefront 3 better be made when the new movies start coming out.

Also, if the next three movies are an adaption of the Thrawn trilogy, then we'll probably be looking at something better than the original trilogy. Especially if they get actors who can actually act to play the leads (no offense, but Harrison Ford is the only one of the three that I can stand. Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher can go die in a hole). Also, bonus points if, at one point, Thrawn threatens the heroes, and Han Solo suddenly screams out "THRAAAAAWWWWWN!"
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For the record, Disney had little involvement in the Avengers to my knowledge; Marvel had an existing deal in place with another movie studio (I think it was paramount, but I could be wrong) for the phase one movies. To my knowledge, Disney's first Marvel movie will be Iron Man 3. Which still looks kind of amazing.

I don't know much of anything about the expanded universe of the Star Wars franchise; what is the Thrawn trilogy about?
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The Thrawn trilogy were books written by Timothy Zahn.  I really despise it when people talk about the extended universe because there is just so much ridiculousness when it comes to Star Wars, but those books were really enjoyable.  Thrawn was a Grand Admiral in the Empire who kind of took over the war effort.  He was a tactical genius and was a really good villain.  I'd love to see him on the screen, but also I don't know how well he'd translate since talks about tactical strategy make for compelling reading but not necessarily interesting viewing.

Some of my thoughts on Disney buying Lucasfilm is discussed here:
http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/4-reasons-you-should-be-thrilled-disney-bought-star-wars/

My own opinion is that it really doesn't matter and in fact may be a good thing.  This does get Lucas away from Star Wars.  The prequels were horrific.  And I know it's trendy to say that, but no joke, they really were terrible movies.  They were boring, they were badly written, and they were hideously ugly with all that fake, bright CGI.  How is Disney going to screw that up any more than Lucas already did, especially since they'll be making the films now, not Lucas?  Plus, with Jar Jar, cutesy droids that chirp "Roger, roger" and bright colors, and ready for the toy store characters, Lucas has already Disneyfied his creation more than Disney ever could.  Disney can only do good things with Star Wars.  Anything else will just be status quo or different.

Besides, even if you hate what Disney does, they can't take away the original trilogy.  Anything they do will just be seen as not-really-Star Wars.  I know for a fact that's how people will deal with it because, as a Star Trek fan, I've been there and felt that.  The new movie and its upcoming sequel are not Star Trek.  It destroyed (literally) everything I grew up with and is now doing weird stuff with the characters.  And I'm at peace with that.  They can't take the movies, they can't take Next Generation, and they certainly can't take Deep Space 9 from me.  They can take later seasons Voyager if they want though.  And the Enterprise finale.  They can take that too.  That was horrible.  Anyway, all that is to say that it will be fine.  This was going to happen eventually.  Star Wars is just too profitable not to return to.  Let's get a fresh perspective on it, because otherwise we just have Lucas micromanaging another badly written CGI-fest.

dark-daventry

Interesting thoughts, Damar. I guess I'll just wait and see what happens with Star Wars now. Not much else I can do anyway.
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You always have such a unique perspective, Damar. :yes:

Quote from: Damar on November 06, 2012, 08:29:53 PM
The prequels were horrific....They were boring, they were badly written, and they were hideously ugly with all that fake, bright CGI. How is Disney going to screw that up any more than Lucas already did...? Plus, with Jar Jar, cutesy droids that chirp "Roger, roger" and bright colors, and ready for the toy store characters, Lucas has already Disneyfied his creation more than Disney ever could.  Disney can only do good things with Star Wars.
:thumbsup: to all of the above.  And you are very, very correct; I suppose Lucas was well on his way to "Disneyfying" Star Wars by the time he did the prequels. I never thought about it that way, but it's true; Jar Jar and all his cute little friends were too much, wayyyy too kid-friendly and very un-Star Wars. And you just more or less reiterated what my friend Dakota told me on this matter--Disney can't possibly screw it up any worse!

Quote from: Damar on November 06, 2012, 08:29:53 PM
Besides, even if you hate what Disney does, they can't take away the original trilogy.  Anything they do will just be seen as not-really-Star Wars...They can't take the movies...Anyway, all that is to say that it will be fine.  This was going to happen eventually.
Whew, well spoken.  :) You must be really, really good at what you do, Damar, because I actually feel a lot better after reading this! It's true: although they might change it up and do scary, weird things with it, they can't erase the magic that started 35 years ago. We will always have Mark, Carrie, and my man, Harrison. :sweetheart:

All I know is that when I have my own kids, they sure as hell aren't going to even know about any Star Wars other than the originals until they're old enough to appreciate them! Cutesy characters and horrid scriptwriting will not poison their minds into thinking that's normal Star Wars behavior!

Thank you, Damar. You eased this fangirl's restless spirit! :hug:
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I happen to like the prequel trilogy a lot. Sorry Haids! I really don't mind that Disney bought Lucasfilm, since to me, Disney is awesome! I'm just a little saddened that we won't get that 20th Century Fox logo anymore. Like the Sierra halfdome logo for games, the 20th Century Fox logo is a great way to open any movie- good or bad.

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Heh, it'll definitely take some getting used to to seeing Star Wars open with the Disney castle and not the 20th century fox thing.
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Quote from: dark-daventry on November 07, 2012, 10:50:16 AM
Heh, it'll definitely take some getting used to to seeing Star Wars open with the Disney castle and not the 20th century fox thing.
...this never once occurred to me.  :bomb:

Quote from: GrahamRocks! on November 07, 2012, 08:23:38 AM
I happen to like the prequel trilogy a lot. Sorry Haids! I really don't mind that Disney bought Lucasfilm, since to me, Disney is awesome!
No, it's cool, no need to apologize! :) You're entitled to your opinion, I can't fault you for that! :yes:

And of COURSE Disney is awesome, silly! :D It's the epitome of everyone's childhood, especially mine (my mom's whole family retired from Disneyland, and we're originally from Anaheim. :)) I'm glad that you're putting a positive spin on it too.

This thread has actually helped me feel a lot better about the whole situation. But like I said--this has been the worst year of my life. The selling of LucasFilm was the last straw in the tenth month of a sh!t year, and it affected me more than it should have! ;)
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Haids, for what it's worth, we're all here for you! Your little forum brother is here (I think that's what you called me once lol).

This thread has made me feel a little better about the whole thing, but I'm still a little scared of what Disney will do.
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I too am sorry that the Star Wars prequels are the worst things to happen since the Holocaust. /sarcasm/

Seriously, it's only "trendy" to hate on the prequels if you haven't seen our good friend M. Night Shyamalan's movies. Move on already.

I still maintain the opinion that the prequels aren't as bad as their rep gives them; there are plenty of movies that come out each year that are a lot stupider (*cough* Transformers *cough*). I think they're just bad by comparison to the original trilogy, because when it comes down to it, I'd rather watch one of the prequels than most of the other crap that somehow makes it to the theater.

Also, try comparing them to some of Lucas' other movies. The Phantom Menace or Howard the Duck? Yeah, I'd watch The Phantom Menace 10 times in a row before one sitting through Howard the Duck. Or how about Red Tails? I think The Phantom Menace knocks Red Tails out of the sky, and given how Red Tails was received much more poorly than any of the prequels, I know I'm not the only one.

So, yeah, there are plenty of movies out there that are worse. The prequels are still the golden standard for how to piss people off, though, given that people will still hulk out at the mere thought of them more than ten years after they came out.
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I think it's a good thing.  There's nothing Disney could do to Star Wars that hasn't been done to it already.  I think they'll handle the property well.


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Quote from: dark-daventry on November 07, 2012, 03:44:36 PM
Haids, for what it's worth, we're all here for you! Your little forum brother is here (I think that's what you called me once lol).
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