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Re: Tropes vs Women in Video Games
« Reply #420 on: June 20, 2013, 04:00:18 PM »
Of course. Some people are less practiced at it than others, though.

Also, it occurred to me that if you listen to too much ZZ Top, you may find yourself believing that "Every girl's crazy about a sharp-dressed man." :P

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Re: Tropes vs Women in Video Games
« Reply #421 on: June 20, 2013, 04:24:21 PM »
Also, it occurred to me that if you listen to too much ZZ Top, you may find yourself believing that "Every girl's crazy about a sharp-dressed man." :P

Excellent point.  I'd also argue that ZZ Top reinforces unrealistic beard stereotypes against men.

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Re: Tropes vs Women in Video Games
« Reply #422 on: June 21, 2013, 04:58:46 AM »
Every girl IS crazy about a sharp dressed man.  Also, beards.


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Re: Tropes vs Women in Video Games
« Reply #423 on: June 21, 2013, 11:02:02 AM »
Also, anti-Semitism!   :suffer:

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« Reply #424 on: June 21, 2013, 05:51:44 PM »
Definitely not that last one, though that assumes I'm a girl.
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Re: Tropes vs Women in Video Games
« Reply #425 on: June 21, 2013, 06:14:31 PM »
Every girl IS crazy about a sharp dressed man.  Also, beards.


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Re: Tropes vs Women in Video Games
« Reply #426 on: August 02, 2013, 04:31:19 PM »
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjImnqH_KwM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjImnqH_KwM</a>

Last of the videos about the damsel in distress trope.  Essentially a closing argument.
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Re: Tropes vs Women in Video Games
« Reply #427 on: August 02, 2013, 04:49:08 PM »
I don't think I am ready for this... I mean she is pretty bad all things considered.

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Re: Tropes vs Women in Video Games
« Reply #428 on: August 03, 2013, 07:06:11 PM »
I finally got around to watching her first video. She lost me after the first five minutes. I really don't know why I bothered.
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Re: Tropes vs Women in Video Games
« Reply #429 on: August 04, 2013, 12:58:53 AM »
I finally got around to watching her first video. She lost me after the first five minutes. I really don't know why I bothered.

Mostly I think it is three things
1) She generated hype for her videos. She isn't just some person with a youtube account, by all means she is "professional"
2) It is an important subject and deserves observation
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3) It is something we all know about in very detailed way.

The problem ultimately is... she isn't very good. I've seen more thinking put into the videos that agree or disagree with her (And less thinking too... ugh)

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Re: Tropes vs Women in Video Games
« Reply #430 on: August 04, 2013, 06:48:00 PM »
The thing is, this subject has already been done to death. And guess what? Nothing's changed. At all. And I can guarantee that it won't change as long as superficial people exist on this planet.

Besides, her presentation is just so bad. Everyone and their dog knows what a damsel in distress is, you don't need to give a condescending, long-winded explanation of what it is.
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Re: Tropes vs Women in Video Games
« Reply #431 on: August 04, 2013, 09:38:38 PM »
One of her stretch goals was developing a curriculum with the videos so that they could be used for educational purposes as well. Between that and defining your terms, which is often done in debates or presentations to be absolutely certain everyone is on the same page with what you're discussing, defining the term makes a lot of sense here.

Additionally, it makes sense with her overall goal--if you're aiming to deconstruct something to examine it closely, then yes, you need to be specific about what it is you're examining and deconstructing.

As before, I enjoyed the video and found it interesting. I liked the proposed non-damsel plot given at the end as well. :) And I appreciate that she didn't exclude indie games from the examples on either side--I mention that one because I saw someone on twitter saying something to the effect of not liking that she'd done that. But just because you're indie and not an AAA studio, or vice versa, doesn't somehow excuse you from criticisms or close examinations, etc. It was a strange comment, basically, or so I thought.

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Re: Tropes vs Women in Video Games
« Reply #432 on: August 05, 2013, 06:31:47 AM »
the heck? Braid? Really? Braid? Why did she name Braid? She does know there is no "princess" in Braid, right?

Also why did she name fist Puncher? Your hero can be anything in that game, a woman, a unicorn (yes, really, a unicorn.) anything! Why did she name those games? o.O

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Re: Tropes vs Women in Video Games
« Reply #433 on: August 05, 2013, 07:57:46 AM »
I thought there was a princess in Braid, but she wasn't trying to be rescued by you?

Then again, I've never played Braid.

A... Unicorn? Wouldn't it be called Hoof Puncher then in that case?

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Re: Tropes vs Women in Video Games
« Reply #434 on: August 05, 2013, 08:04:30 AM »
There is no "main character" in fist puncher, your character is a sprite and your sprite can be anything, a man, a woman, a unicorn, really, anything. That's why her criticism doesn't make sense

but the real issue is Braid, naming Braid there is so bad I'd argue she never even played the game

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Fist Puncher I can kinda see what she's going for even if I don't agree with it. But Braid? Really?
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Re: Tropes vs Women in Video Games
« Reply #435 on: August 05, 2013, 11:29:27 AM »
I also haven't yet played Braid, but even if the whole story is an extended allegory, you DO still spend the whole game (or a significant chunk of it, since that's what all screenshots and videos of it show) playing a male character and chasing after a princess character.

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Re: Tropes vs Women in Video Games
« Reply #436 on: August 05, 2013, 11:43:03 AM »
I suppose you have a point :\

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Re: Tropes vs Women in Video Games
« Reply #437 on: August 05, 2013, 01:23:22 PM »
I thought there was a princess in Braid, but she wasn't trying to be rescued by you?

Then again, I've never played Braid.

A... Unicorn? Wouldn't it be called Hoof Puncher then in that case?

Braid was a perhaps not a deconstruction but it didn't have a damsel.

It pretended to have a damsel but only for you the player to draw the parallels between what superficially was going on in the game and what was actually going on.

I also haven't yet played Braid, but even if the whole story is an extended allegory, you DO still spend the whole game (or a significant chunk of it, since that's what all screenshots and videos of it show) playing a male character and chasing after a princess character.

Sort of... You are made to believe that is what you are doing.

If Anita actually used that as a pure example of that trope (which there is nooo way she could have... did she?) then maybe she should replay it.

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Re: Tropes vs Women in Video Games
« Reply #438 on: August 05, 2013, 02:41:52 PM »
I haven't looked any further into it, but I have seen accusations that she doesn't understand games nearly as well as she thinks she does. Also, there seem to be multiple instances where she focuses exclusively on what she finds offensive, to the exclusion of other, more glaring problems with the source material. For example, on TV Tropes, under the Complaining About Shows You Don't Watch heading, is this paragraph:

"An egregious example is the video game Bayonetta. Even leaving aside the fact that the character can easily be interpreted as a satire of the adolescence pandering she accuses her to be (which even at worst, it would suffer the Truffaut Was Right problem. At worst), she gave away many hints that she actually didn't play the game much, if at all. The biggest one is when she says Bayonetta is a single mother, something that is just not true. Bayonetta does play the Action Mom trope, but only metaphorically (Sarkeesian portrays it in the video as if she is a literal single mom). And even that is a stretch considering the girl she takes care of
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Made even worse by saying, even stressing, that that's her one and only positive character trait..."[/i]

Again, I have no idea whether she actually said this or not, as I haven't seen it myself, but if she did, then all I have to say is this:

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Re: Tropes vs Women in Video Games
« Reply #439 on: August 05, 2013, 03:31:52 PM »
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Made even worse by saying, even stressing, that that's her one and only positive character trait...

What? WHAT!?!

She didn't play it much? More like she didn't play it at all.
 

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