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Should King's Quest stay dead?

Yes--It's had its time
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No--more entries can be made
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Re: Poll: Should KQ stay dead?
« Reply #40 on: March 01, 2013, 02:35:26 PM »
My biggest complaint about KQ7 is that I personally found Valanice really boring. And in retrospect, Rosella's kind of annoying. The puzzles and interface I never had much of an issue with, or the animation style--it was the characters, for me. I didn't love some aspects of the story--mostly the weird inclusion of sci-fi elements with the volcano machine & the unexplained baby ray.

Though I also agree that the series peaked with KQ6.

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Re: Poll: Should KQ stay dead?
« Reply #41 on: March 01, 2013, 02:45:49 PM »
Ehh, my biggest complaint with KQ7 is probably the interface. Yeah, making it simple makes it more accessable to newbies and all, but that also means there's much less interactivity. The Context-Sensitive Wand just doesn't measure up to the Standard Sierra Point'n Click Interface. :P

Also, I hated the save system for not letting me keep a bunch of saves at various parts of the game.
I don't hate KQ7 as a whole, though.
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Re: Poll: Should KQ stay dead?
« Reply #42 on: March 01, 2013, 02:52:13 PM »
And before you respond to tell me that "I just don't get it," you might want to take a look at this:
http://betax1.justadventure.com/reviews/KQ7/KQ7.shtm

I tried to read this and then by the third paragraph decided to use the tab to look up this. :P

That said, KQVII is one of my favorites in the series. I think the puzzles are some of the best (like the review says, it has a lot of "environment-based" puzzles compared to the previous games), and I think the environments are really engaging. The review complains immensely about the interface, which, again, I really enjoyed. I enjoyed it in Phantasmagoria and I enjoyed it here.  Yes, it was made to cash in on the popularity of Disney movies, and yes, it's awfully cheesy, and yes, they clearly didn't have any good animators, but the game was fun and entertaining. I think it deserves respect. :P

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Re: Poll: Should KQ stay dead?
« Reply #43 on: March 01, 2013, 03:07:27 PM »
There are different levels of cheese.

Most King's Quests were a fine cheddar... maybe an Edam or a Jarlsberg.

King's Quest VII was "Government Cheese" in a pretty package, with a Sierra label slapped on it.


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Re: Poll: Should KQ stay dead?
« Reply #44 on: March 01, 2013, 03:47:52 PM »
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My biggest complaint about KQ7 is that I personally found Valanice really boring.

It doesn't help that you win over the vast majority of your arguements with Valanice by using your comb on people so she cries at them.

Honestly by the third time I had used the Comb I was laughing. "Dang Valanice, laying on the emotional blackmail thick I see"

Don't get me wrong, I like Valanice but the vast majority of my enjoyment involving her is was how cheesy everything is and many of her lines when she dies (Heck Rosella too). Sometimes the BEST part of a death was just how they would react to it.

I just loved how she always kept her heir on no matter what happened to her.

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Re: Poll: Should KQ stay dead?
« Reply #45 on: March 01, 2013, 03:53:57 PM »
There is cheesy, and then there is just lazy writing.

Don't agree on the puzzles, at least not to the same extent.  There are some clever ones, the grain of salt comes to mind, but others have some KQ5 level moon logic.

Like the baby plug...thing.
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Re: Poll: Should KQ stay dead?
« Reply #46 on: March 01, 2013, 03:58:17 PM »
LOL, oh god, yes, the comb and the crying! That got pretty comical after a while. :)

I think I didn't mind the interface so much, but the choice of a wand that sparkles wasn't the best, in retrospect. I can see how it seemed like it would fit into a KQ game well, though.

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Re: Poll: Should KQ stay dead?
« Reply #47 on: March 01, 2013, 04:17:58 PM »
There is cheesy, and then there is just lazy writing.

To me it wasn't lazy writing. It was just bad writing.

They had a few good ideas here and honestly several sections honestly felt like Kings Quest. Heck the desert could be transplanted into any kings quest without changing it.

Sometimes I felt like sections were made drastically appart from one another.

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Re: Poll: Should KQ stay dead?
« Reply #48 on: March 01, 2013, 06:32:48 PM »
KQ7 was at least on par with KQ5

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Re: Poll: Should KQ stay dead?
« Reply #49 on: March 01, 2013, 07:28:33 PM »
*Looks at KQ5*

Cedric: No, Graham! Stay away from the edge!
Graham: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

*Looks at KQ7*

"I, Archduke Fifi le Yipyap, do order it!"

*Turns back to KQ5*

Cedric: Look out, there's a hole in the boat!
Boat: (abruptly sinks spontaneously)
Graham: HELP, HELLPPBLURBLE, (sputters and drowns)
Narrator: Thanks for playing King's Quest 5.

*Turns back to KQ7*

"Bawk, bawk, BAWK, THE SKY IS FALLING!"

*KQ5*

"We're the aaaaaaaants, of King Aaaaaantony, we're coming to help King Graaaaaaham!"

*KQ7*

(Fernando bursts into tears.)

*KQ5*

"Where'd you find him, MinOTTA?!"

*KQ7*

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Re: Poll: Should KQ stay dead?
« Reply #50 on: March 01, 2013, 07:47:25 PM »
I find KQ5 charming compared to KQ7. ;)
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Re: Poll: Should KQ stay dead?
« Reply #51 on: March 01, 2013, 07:58:35 PM »
I find them both charming. :P
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Re: Poll: Should KQ stay dead?
« Reply #52 on: March 01, 2013, 09:24:07 PM »
*Looks at KQ5*

Cedric: No, Graham! Stay away from the edge!
Graham: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

*Looks at KQ7*

"I, Archduke Fifi le Yipyap, do order it!"

*Turns back to KQ5*

Cedric: Look out, there's a hole in the boat!
Boat: (abruptly sinks spontaneously)
Graham: HELP, HELLPPBLURBLE, (sputters and drowns)
Narrator: Thanks for playing King's Quest 5.

*Turns back to KQ7*

"Bawk, bawk, BAWK, THE SKY IS FALLING!"

*KQ5*

"We're the aaaaaaaants, of King Aaaaaantony, we're coming to help King Graaaaaaham!"

*KQ7*

(Fernando bursts into tears.)

*KQ5*

"Where'd you find him, MinOTTA?!"

*KQ7*

Malicia (upon seeing a toy rat): HWUAAARRRGHH!



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Re: Poll: Should KQ stay dead?
« Reply #55 on: March 02, 2013, 08:49:26 AM »
KQ7 was at least on par with KQ5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oavMtUWDBTM

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No, it's just how I feel. I've pretty much always viewed KQ5 and KQ7 to be different, but overall of about equal quality. They're the mindlessly fun, cheesy installments in the KQ series, that focus on artistic and technical achievements rather than on puzzles.

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Re: Poll: Should KQ stay dead?
« Reply #56 on: March 02, 2013, 09:01:42 AM »
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They're the mindlessly fun, cheesy installments in the KQ series, that focus on artistic and technical achievements rather than on puzzles.

Ohh dear goodness stop getting your oppinions from Retsupurae.

Kings Quest 5 was meant to be the first real adventure the series had. Something that wasn't contained to just one region. It certainly used their newest graphics but to say it had more of a focus on it then, lets say 6 (a game where they outright spoke of how much they focused on the graphics), is just odd.

They used their new abilities to tell a story they couldn't have otherwise

It was also their first attempt to bridge puzzles and story. Something KQ6 only got right because they had already gained experience while making 5.

As well all KQ5s cheesyness was because they kept the series cheesyness. Something KQ6 decided to contain to just one island.
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Re: Poll: Should KQ stay dead?
« Reply #57 on: March 02, 2013, 10:14:20 AM »
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They're the mindlessly fun, cheesy installments in the KQ series, that focus on artistic and technical achievements rather than on puzzles.

Ohh dear goodness stop getting your oppinions from Retsupurae.

Kings Quest 5 was meant to be the first real adventure the series had. Something that wasn't contained to just one region. It certainly used their newest graphics but to say it had more of a focus on it then, lets say 6 (a game where they outright spoke of how much they focused on the graphics), is just odd.

They used their new abilities to tell a story they couldn't have otherwise

It was also their first attempt to bridge puzzles and story. Something KQ6 only got right because they had already gained experience while making 5.

As well all KQ5s cheesyness was because they kept the series cheesyness. Something KQ6 decided to contain to just one island.

Retsupurae's opinions would seem to be that the KQ series sucked. I don't agree with them, I only watch them for the entertainment factor.

I'd say it had a bigger focus on graphics than KQ6 did. I remember reading this from Sierra themselves, that there was less of a focus on graphics than on what they could do with the story and puzzles in KQ6. Compare KQ5's backgrounds to KQ6's--much more detail, much more effort etc.

They could've told KQ5's story with previous technology.

The series, starting with at least KQ4, had already bridged puzzles with story.

KQ5 is the apex of the series' cheesiness, which is something I love about it.

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Re: Poll: Should KQ stay dead?
« Reply #58 on: March 02, 2013, 10:23:32 AM »
If I thought that KQ5 was the best out of all of them I wouldn't be writing a fanfiction that retells KQ5 with a different Cedric, now would I?

Now that's not to say that I outright HATE the game, of course. I don't. In fact, I rather like it. I just wish it could have been better. Which is why I'm trying to rewrite it.

I shudder to think of what Lamb would say about it if he read it.

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Re: Poll: Should KQ stay dead?
« Reply #59 on: March 03, 2013, 01:13:16 PM »
There are different levels of cheese.

Most King's Quests were a fine cheddar... maybe an Edam or a Jarlsberg.

King's Quest VII was "Government Cheese" in a pretty package, with a Sierra label slapped on it.


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