Star Trek-Into Darkness

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Regardless of the size of this community, I wouldn't have made that comment if I didn't mean it.

And if there is a rift in this community somewhere down the line, I want to be around to see it; I just might be entertained by it.

[Bludshot]

So what exactly prompted that comment?

[GrahamRocks!]

Are you talking about the Phoenix Online community or the Star Trek community?

[Lambonius]

I'm confused.  Of all of the glaring reasons to make fun of people here in the POS community, differences of opinion over the Star Trek reboot seems like one of the weakest in recent memory.  This is the community that spawned such inane threads as "What do I like/want from movies?", "the Cookie-holic thread", and pretty much the entirety of The Asylum board.  Yikes.

[GrahamRocks!]

Don't forget the Star Wars Thread, Lamb!

*shudder* So many rants.

[KatieHal]

Whether you said it cause you meant it or not, we expect people to treat each other with respect here regardless of if you agree with others' opinions, 929572. It's possible to disagree and still be respectful and have a civil discussion, so do so.

[br305893]

Whether you said it cause you meant it or not, we expect people to treat each other with respect here regardless of if you agree with others' opinions, 929572. It's possible to disagree and still be respectful and have a civil discussion, so do so.

Agreed. Don't turn this forum into 4chan or PT.

[HitBattousai]

I enjoyed the film, but to some extent I agree with Lambonius in that they have basically transitioned the Star Trek franchise from more cerebral sci-fi stuff to straight action sci-fi.  That article about the 10 Things that make no sense in the movie makes some valid points, some other ones I agree less with.   

[spoiler]I do agree that the women in the movie are marginalized.

I don't think Khan's origins matter much for the new movies since it is a new timeline, so it doesn't have to be an Indian playing Khan.  I think it's also pretty apparent the idea was to smuggle his people out in the torpedoes because he was afraid the wrath of Starfleet's superior numbers would be too much for his people if he simply woke them up and they wouldn't be inclined to kill them all if they were discovered still frozen by chance during his rescue attempt. 

The moron bit is right on the officer that blows up the joint with the ring of doom.  Again, I think they could have said that if he didn't do it, Khan would have killed his family but that minor detail wasn't in there to have it make some sense.

Admiral Marcus thought that war was already pretty much on with the Klingons on their end, he just wanted to make it official to get the Federation war machine going.

My personal peeve is that Scotty's transporting technology in this timeline is ridiculous enough to go over extreme distances in space, yet they don't use it to chase Khan in a subtle and efficient manner after Khan has already used it himself to get to Kronos.[/spoiler]

[Lambonius]

I think a logical way to explain [spoiler]Khan's whiteness would just be to point out that by the 23rd/24th century, racial intermixing and population shifting could have easily led to all sorts of white people being born in India with traditional Indian names.  It's really not so far fetched.[/spoiler]

[Bludshot]

When one of the big staples of the franchise is the idea that all of humanity across national and racial boundaries can work together, casting a non white character as a white guy conflicts with that.  It would be exactly like casting Sulu or Uhura as white people.

There was absolutely no need for it, they didn't have to call Benedict Cumberbatch Khan, they could have easily just gone on calling him John Harrison.

[Blackthorne]

Yeah, but there are a lot of people expressing Bludshot's view who aren't in the community.

You know - I really, really let this Trek be it's own thing - and if Khan in this Trek is Benedict Cumberbatch - that's how it is.  No one can ever replicate or be as awesome as Ricardo Montalban in The Wrath of Khan.  No one!  It's it's own thing - and The Wrath of Khan isn't just my favorite Star Trek film, it's one of my favorite films of all time.

You really have to put up kind of a seperation here, and realize they're two different things - different iterations of the same name.  Now, this iteration won't be for everyone - but I like both, and for different reasons.

Like - this movie is just like a big dumb puppy you can't help but love.  Haha!


Bt

[Bludshot]

I don't mean to imply the movie somehow retroactively ruins wrath of khan, it doesn't. But this film suffers by trying to stick in some half hearted khan fan service. I liked the first Abrams movie because it went its own silly fun way, this movie almost went that way for the first half, then it crashed trying to poorly retell an old story.

[snabbott]

I haven't seen the second movie, so I can't really comment on that. I'm not really thrilled about the reboot, though. As a Star Trek fan, I expect more than an action movie. However, I can accept that it is what it is, and it's possible to like both - kind of like how it's possible to like both Mask of Eternity and the rest of the King's Quest series - as distinct entities.

[KatieHal]

I also agree with that reviewer on the point that the women were kinda marginalized as well. They got a few cool moments, but it would've been great to get more meat in their roles. I don't think Uhura was purely "the girlfriend" however, though that was part of her role--then again, she IS someone's girlfriend, so...

(Also, I really loved the "Are you guys fighting? What is that even like?" from Kirk!)

[Bludshot]

Yeah Uhura is problematic since her only role is arguing with Spock, which only exists as a tool for Kirk and Spock's relationship. She has no character without Spock.

[br305893]

(Also, I really loved the "Are you guys fighting? What is that even like?" from Kirk!)

Yeah, there were a lot of great lines/dialogue in the movie. Also really liked Simon Pegg's role as Scotty. He did a great job in the last film as well.

[Blackthorne]

Uhura faced off, alone, against the Klingons.  Don't marginalize her!!!


Bt

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In case it wasn't obvious already, I attacked Bludshot because I'm not a nice person. Furthermore, I will never be a nice person, because--and I speak from multiple personal experiences here--being nice to other people is just asking to be taken advantage of. Also, I don't respect myself and I respect everyone else even less, so don't tell me to respect someone's opinion, because that's physically impossible for me.

If you want any more information about my warped view of the world, just ask my idiot parents, a pair of incompetents so woefully inept that they couldn't raise a goddamned goldfish if their lives were on the line.

[Lambonius]

Ban hammer?

[KatieHal]

In that case, I refer you to the old adage, "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all." This is your warning. If you can't post by the rules of the forum and respect others, then there may be ban time involved.

Back on topic, yes, Uhura dealing with the Kilingons on her WAS really cool. I wanted a little more of that from her role in the story. Carol definitely lacked in the 'gets to do awesome stuff' category...plus the random in her underwear shot that was there for no reason.

Also, really, they might be cute and all, but the skirt uniforms for the women are also clearly only there for that reason.