16 Years since MOE with the Announcement of KQ9 - Yet Roberta and Ken is there

[Numbers]

Excuse me, but I HAVE completed it! Twice!

100% completion is what I was referring to. Guess I should've made myself clearer on that.

Hmph! So you were right. But! There's NO indication I can or need to go back to the house at all! Of COURSe I wouldn't have known that!

That's what I've been saying this whole time. It's a stupid puzzle. And it really sticks out like a sore thumb when you consider all the other awesome puzzles in the game, which are vastly superior to the original KQ2's moronic puzzle solutions. "Throw bridle on snake"? King's Quest, you're doing it wrong.

[GrahamRocks!]

100% completion is what I was referring to. Guess I should've made myself clearer on that.

Ah. Sorry! Yeah, that does help out! Does that give any points I wonder? I know getting the meat gets points, which I know that I've been missing.

That's what I've been saying this whole time. It's a stupid puzzle. And it really sticks out like a sore thumb when you consider all the other awesome puzzles in the game, which are vastly superior to the original KQ2's moronic puzzle solutions. "Throw bridle on snake"? King's Quest, you're doing it wrong.

Yeah! And I take part of that back, actually. I knew you COULD go back, because how else would I get the "My, what sharp claws! All the better to..." death message? I just figured that I didn't NEED to go back.

I can't really think of any fairy tales that tell about doing that, but I'm not an expert. There's Brothers Grimm, Hans Christian Anderson, the [color] Fairy Books... it might be a reeeeeeaaaally obscure reference to something (hey, Graham's design and Rosella's and Valanice's names come from not so popular sources iirc), or, it might be referencing a real snake. The name? Bridle Snake. Or it could be referencing the legend of Pegasus in Greek Mythology- he came from the neck of Medusa (who was a Gorgon who had snakes for hair as I'm sure you know) when she was decapitated by Perseus and Pegasus was tamed by a golden bridle held by Bellerophon and they went on adventures together.

[Numbers]

Whatever it's referencing, if it's even referencing anything at all, it's way too obscure. It's not as bad as guessing the gnome's name in the first one, but it's still pretty bad.

[kyranthia]

I can remember my first adventure games I had were Carmen Sandiego and the Great Chase Through Time (which is apparently a remake of "Where in Time is Carmen Sandiego?") and Nancy Drew: The Secret of Shadow Ranch.

The former I never completed because I got stuck. The latter I completed... years later as I got stuck there at least twice.

I actually have that version of Time in Dos box.  (It got released under both titles 'Where in Time' and 'Great Chase Through Time.')  I remember getting stuck on the Viking level for awhile until I finally figured it out.  And the Roman pipes on was crazy hard for me too.

Where did you get stuck on that version of Time out of curiosity?

Anyway...back to to original question of the post:

But at the same time, it's comforting to know that they're trying to include Ken and Roberta in the creative process, so at least they can get some good feedback by the people who created the series.

Totally ditto this.

[GrahamRocks!]

I actually have that version of Time in Dos box.  (It got released under both titles 'Where in Time' and 'Great Chase Through Time.')  I remember getting stuck on the Viking level for awhile until I finally figured it out.  And the Roman pipes on was crazy hard for me too.

Where did you get stuck on that version of Time out of curiosity?

The Inca level. Stupid corn kernels! And this was done before I really started getting into Internet stuff, so the puzzles in each time took me forever! I can remember the first I ever searched for help online was Her Interactive.com forums (the people who make the Nancy Drew games) and it was for Secret of shadow Ranch and I had to open a chest that neither I nor my Mama could figure out. Turns out the answer was staring me right in the face and it just didn't click in my head that 4-9-11 was the angle of the tuning forks.

Huh! DOSBox, eh? So... it's on Abandonia or something, then? Hey, it wouldn't necessarily be illegal since I still have the discs, they just don't work anymore. Like, I put them into my desktop, and I get an error message instead of an install prompt. And yet, Zoo Tycoon 1 and 2 work fine even after a decade! Weird.

[Numbers]

I don't think anyone's gonna flip out if you use Abandonia to download an ancient DOS game. There are a lot of old games that are impossible to get legally nowadays, mostly because the game's developers have gone out of business.

[kyranthia]

The Inca level. Stupid corn kernels! And this was done before I really started getting into Internet stuff, so the puzzles in each time took me forever! I can remember the first I ever searched for help online was Her Interactive.com forums (the people who make the Nancy Drew games) and it was for Secret of shadow Ranch and I had to open a chest that neither I nor my Mama could figure out. Turns out the answer was staring me right in the face and it just didn't click in my head that 4-9-11 was the angle of the tuning forks.

Huh! DOSBox, eh? So... it's on Abandonia or something, then? Hey, it wouldn't necessarily be illegal since I still have the discs, they just don't work anymore. Like, I put them into my desktop, and I get an error message instead of an install prompt. And yet, Zoo Tycoon 1 and 2 work fine even after a decade! Weird.

I vaguely remember the Inca level.  I have just started replaying Time and just got past the Mali Empire level. 

Yeah, back in the day, there weren't too many hint sites out there.  Maybe on some internet sites or BBS outlets...but mostly it was hint books that were about the only guide out there. 

Yeah, Dos Box is an emulator and you can use it to play old games.  I have a version that runs old Windows 3.1 to play the Windows games and run my old After Dark Disney screen saver. 

http://www.dosbox.com/

[stika]

seeing as how we're talking about MOE I'll just leave a few images here:






And yes, I like MOE, but it's also a fun game to pick on... like Cedric

[Numbers]

Somebody needs to take a screenshot of the last cutscene in the game, where Connor raises his sword triumphantly, surrounded by Archons...



...and Photoshop this into it.

[stika]

Lol, if I remember, I might just do that during the weekend.

We have over 100 images like this over at the Phoenix Pinterest page too.

[DreamFan]

Huh! DOSBox, eh? So... it's on Abandonia or something, then? Hey, it wouldn't necessarily be illegal since I still have the discs, they just don't work anymore. Like, I put them into my desktop, and I get an error message instead of an install prompt.

You can play CD's and even floppy disks on DOSBox, you know. There is also ScummVM.

I don't think anyone's gonna flip out if you use Abandonia to download an ancient DOS game. There are a lot of old games that are impossible to get legally nowadays, mostly because the game's developers have gone out of business.

So, if one were to download games like Monkey Island, Willy Beamish, or Full Throttle without ever paying for them to play on emulators nowadays, the chances of getting in trouble would be highly unlikely? A friend of mine suggested that once a company goes out of business, all the company's games become freeware...

[Numbers]

Unless the company gets bought by another one. I haven't done the research, but I'm sure someone else owns LucasArts' stuff nowadays. The fact that they remade the first two Monkey Island games shows that they were still getting mileage out of it, and while Sierra no longer really exists, its IP is still owned by another company, hence why you still need to pay money to play any of their games. The games that get put up on Abandonware are generally very obscure. Games like Hacx. Have you ever heard of it? No? Exactly.

[stika]

The LucasArts stuff is owned by Disney. Generally speaking Abandonia is a good place to check Abandonware Dos games because they make sure to check whether or not someone owns the rights to the games.

If someone does own the rights instead of giving you free a download link, they link you to a store (usually gog) where you can buy the game.

[JDHJANUS]

Technically Activision owns the rights to most of the Sierra/Dynamix/Impressions/etc. IPs at the moment. As far as the main quest series, most of them are available for purchase for a reasonable amount on either GOG or Steam.

Disney owns the rights to the LucasArts games, and they have begun releasing them on GOG (and there are a few available on Steam as well).

There are several games still in both canons that are not available to purchase a digital download. While you can download them from Abadonia or other similar abandonware sites, it is still technically illegal to do so as the rights to the games are owned by those respective companies. That having been said, I don't think Activision is going to care, for example, if you download Willy Beamish or Laura Bow from an abandonware site.

Talk to you later!

JDHJANUS
Josh

[stika]

Technically Activision owns the rights to most of the Sierra/Dynamix/Impressions/etc. IPs at the moment. As far as the main quest series, most of them are available for purchase for a reasonable amount on either GOG or Steam.

Disney owns the rights to the LucasArts games, and they have begun releasing them on GOG (and there are a few available on Steam as well).

There are several games still in both canons that are not available to purchase a digital download. While you can download them from Abadonia or other similar abandonware sites, it is still technically illegal to do so as the rights to the games are owned by those respective companies. That having been said, I don't think Activision is going to care, for example, if you download Willy Beamish or Laura Bow from an abandonware site.

Talk to you later!

JDHJANUS
Josh

This discussion brought me memories of the Home for Underdogs. Remember that website? Whatever happened to it?

[JDHJANUS]

The site went out several years ago and has been carried on through two new sites. You can read all about it here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_of_the_Underdogs

I used to visit HOTU all the time back in the day!!! Downloaded ROMs of several older games before they were available on GOG or Steam.

Talk to you later!

JDHJANUS
Josh