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King's Quest Episode II: Revenge of the Sh*t

Started by Rock Knight, November 24, 2015, 01:59:19 PM

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Numbers

The forum lets you pick and choose which blocked posts you want to view. I read just enough posts to get an idea for what was going on in this thread. I haven't read any of his posts since then; I figured my imagination could fill in the blanks for me.
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cwinters

well said and totally agree
Quote from: Rock Knight on November 27, 2015, 12:06:59 PM
The new KQ game lacks any of the borderline horror aspect which colored the Sierra classics. It lacks any f***ing heart. It's just this big kiddie-friendly wanna-be Pixar movie. The tone is all off and the humor is incredibly stupid. Say what you will of KQ7, but that game didn't feature a literal Bridge-Troll who says he keeps his horn "hidden under [his] butt". Do you think Roberta Williams on her worst day, on a day where say she toked an ounce of weed, would write something so bland and stupidly childish? This game has no f***ing soul. It's a KQ game written by hipsters for Tablets. It's Hipster Nu-KQ.

Even KQ5, arguably the silliest KQ game, didn't feature anything as horrid as a QTE "Bridge Troll dance"

I mean jesus christ. There's bad games and then there's this crap. This game, to KQ, in my opinion, is what the Star Wars prequels were to Star Wars. That's how much I hate this game. I can't understand how anyone who liked say, KQ6, would enjoy this game. It's not just a tonal departure, everything is different. Graham's character is entirely different. Daventry is entirely different. The whole backstory is entirely different. Graham is Doc Brown with bad puns. There's not a single character from fairy tales, mythology or folklore. This game is just a lame ripoff of Pixar movies in tone, The Princeless Bride in plot, with no connection to the KQ games outside of character and land names being thrown in. Slap any other label on it and it'd just be generic storybook adventure game with nowhere near the level of publicity this crap has gotten. It's a generic, high fantasy stupid children's nonsense. KQ was never high fantasy, and never generic. And that's the worst thing about this game; it's totally generic and bland. None of the original KQ games were generic, even the lesser entries.

GrahamRocks!

#62
*rolls eyes*

Yeah, yeah, whatever man.

I wish I knew how to gif things, because I really want to post a certain Gwendolyn clip as my reaction.

MangoMercury

I really enjoyed the first chapter of the new KQ, and highly anticipate the second.
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Numbers

The debates on this forum are as bland as the comments section of any given YouTube video. I mean, cwinters literally copies and pastes something Rock Knight earlier said, their only contribution being "yeah, it does suck!" GrahamRocks goes "whatever", not even really responding to it, and MangoMercury basically says "Well, I liked it!" Come on, people, you can debate better than that.
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GrahamRocks!

No, I'd say that YouTube and Facebook comments are worse. There, you can slander hatred and bile on anybody's posts under the guise of anonymity and generally make everyone miserable or annoyed. Here, things are moderated and kept to a standard unless you want to be banned.

Nothing wrong with Mango saying she liked it, really. :) I doubt she meant that to look like a protest, just expressing her opinion because she hasn't been on here in awhile and the old thread is locked.

Cwinters, can you please stop parroting people and actually post something of your own words?

Jack Stryker

#66
I would like to say one other thing in the game's defense.  People criticize the use of the word "pissed", but I can assure you that it isn't the first time such a word has been used in a medieval fantasy game. 

Skyrim, for example, has this guy:

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Siddgeir

who will ask you to bring him a special kind of mead, and "none of that local piss."  If Skyrim can get away with that, then I fail to see why King's Quest can't.

And as I mentioned before, there are some modern speak lines in Tangled, like "Oh, mama!  I have got to get me one of these!" and "How about 2 out of 3?"  But in all the reviews I've seen, nobody has ever had a problem with that.



Rock Knight

Quote from: Jack Stryker on December 11, 2015, 10:48:58 PM
I would like to say one other thing in the game's defense.  People criticize the use of the word "pissed", but I can assure you that it isn't the first time such a word has been used in a medieval fantasy game. 

Skyrim, for example, has this guy:

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Siddgeir

who will ask you to bring him a special kind of mead, and "none of that local piss."  If Skyrim can get away with that, then I fail to see why King's Quest can't.

And as I mentioned before, there are some modern speak lines in Tangled, like "Oh, mama!  I have got to get me one of these!" and "How about 2 out of 3?"  But in all the reviews I've seen, nobody has ever had a problem with that.

Because King's Quest is supposed to be a family-friendly adventure game. Skyrim is an RPG meant for a more mature audience. It isn't the fact that it's modern language, because every game outside of KQ8 had modern English; it's the fact that it's modern profanity. Even KQ7, which used modern English, didn't use profanity for one, or popular slang like the new KQ does (such as "Worth it", and "Sorry, not sorry.").

That's like saying, well, you know, this game over here in a totally different genre did something, so why can't this new KQ do it too?

Especially when you're dealing with a new KQ which is even more explicitly aimed at children than any of the other entries.

GrahamRocks!

Seriously, dude, did you not read the article you posted originally? Did you just skim and look at the pretty pictures or did you actually read it entirely?

Numbers

Quote from: Jack Stryker on December 11, 2015, 10:48:58 PM
I would like to say one other thing in the game's defense.  People criticize the use of the word "pissed", but I can assure you that it isn't the first time such a word has been used in a medieval fantasy game. 

Skyrim, for example, has this guy:

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Siddgeir

who will ask you to bring him a special kind of mead, and "none of that local piss."  If Skyrim can get away with that, then I fail to see why King's Quest can't.

And as I mentioned before, there are some modern speak lines in Tangled, like "Oh, mama!  I have got to get me one of these!" and "How about 2 out of 3?"  But in all the reviews I've seen, nobody has ever had a problem with that.

And I stand by my statement that curses like "pissed off" and "thank god", minor though they may be, have no place in a game that's intended for little kids to play. Also, please stop trying to compare KQ to Tangled. They're nothing alike. Neither Tangled nor just about any Disney cartoon that's come out in the past 20-ish years have had out-of-place curse words.
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GrahamRocks!

#70
"Thank god" is kinda common vernacular, though, isn't it?

*sigh* We're going to just keep arguing about this forever, aren't we? Why can't we just wait and see and judge for ourselves things like tone and language and personality quirks when the second chapter comes out?

Numbers

From a technical standpoint, "thank god" is disobeying that commandment about not taking god's name in vain. It's not like many people take that seriously anymore, but I know several people who are still personally offended whenever they hear phrases like "thank god" or "god knows" or "dear god."

Quote from: GrahamRocks! on December 12, 2015, 01:33:49 PM
Why can't we just wait and see and judge for ourselves things like tone and language and personality quirks when the second chapter comes out?

Because it's fun to pre-judge works of fiction ahead of time. :suffer:
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GrahamRocks!

#72
Good point on both statements there.  :yes:

Jack Stryker

Quote from: Numbers on December 12, 2015, 01:13:04 PM
Also, please stop trying to compare KQ to Tangled. They're nothing alike.

Gee, you're right.  What was I thinking?  I mean, it's not like they're both medieval fantasy stories or anything. 

OH, WAIT!

Quote from: Numbers on December 12, 2015, 01:13:04 PM
Neither Tangled nor just about any Disney cartoon that's come out in the past 20-ish years have had out-of-place curse words.

No, but they did have modern-speak in them; which is what the KQ complaint is about, not just the curse words.

GrahamRocks!


Numbers

If you're trying to make me look bad, you're failing miserably at it. A Disney cartoon and an episodic adventure game that both happen to take place in a medieval fantasy setting is as bad a comparison as saying that KQ is allowed to say "piss" because Skyrim, a violent M-rated game, used "piss" in a completely different context.

Quote from: Jack Stryker on December 12, 2015, 06:26:08 PM
Quote from: Numbers on December 12, 2015, 01:13:04 PM
Neither Tangled nor just about any Disney cartoon that's come out in the past 20-ish years have had out-of-place curse words.
No, but they did have modern-speak in them; which is what the KQ complaint is about, not just the curse words.

No sh*t, they had modern speak. Can you imagine the backlash that The Hunchback of Notre Dame would've gotten if the dialogue sounded like MoE's? My issue is that the modern speak is American lingo, and whatever's trending. I showed part of a YouTube walkthrough of KQ2015 to my father, and he asked me what the Merchant of Miracles was saying when he used the word "welp," having never heard of it being used in that context. Remember when whelp was an insult, and not interchangeable with "well?"
I have no mouth, and I must scream.

GrahamRocks!


Jack Stryker

Me try to make you look bad?



But seriously though...

Oh darn, someone doesn't quite get a certain little thing that a character said in a game!  You really think that isn't a common problem with audiences of other games, movies, or TV shows?  Take Animaniacs, for example:

"Alright, give me the bird!"

"We can't.  This is a family show."

It took me years to get that joke, (which is a little dirty for a children's show, by the way, and not the first or last dirty joke they'd use either) but that didn't stop me from enjoying the show.  So why are you letting a little thing like that get to you?  You're better than that.

And having said that, I'm now going to leave this thread and keep myself out of any future flame wars.  Good day.

GrahamRocks!

Yeah, that'd probably be wise.

I know this forum is probably going to explode in a few days, due to everyone posting their opinions on the next chapter and all. I don't have much to say at the moment, really.

Who knows? It might be a sharp downturn into s***, it might improve on everything that the first episode didn't quite reach. We'll have to wait and see...

Numbers

Quote from: Jack Stryker on December 12, 2015, 09:09:30 PM
Me try to make you look bad?



...said the guy who constantly lapses into all-caps and font size increase and exclamation point overload whenever someone dares to disagree with him.
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