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The Missing Princess aka 3 Routes

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Author Topic: An Issue with KQ2015 Ch3 - Spoilers  (Read 4245 times)

Offline daventry

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An Issue with KQ2015 Ch3 - Spoilers
« on: April 30, 2016, 12:50:34 AM »
First of all i Love KQ2015 especially the Routes and sure im a little bummed about how Short Ch3 is with its constant cutscenes and even less playability. Yea Ch3 is even Shorter then Ch2

KQ2015 gave us Routes (Bravery Wisdom Compassion) to play with and im very happy with them and did them all in Ch1 & Ch2 and im a guy that sticks with the Route i play instead of going another way and coming back or going completely off track.

Now we have Ch3 with only 2 Princesses and 4 Save Slots which means you have to Replay Ch3 over and over again to play (Bravery Wisdom Compassion) with just 2 Princesses. I would've been fine with 1 Princess or 3 actually which should've been.

KQ2015 is Story Driven, so how is the Routes with 2 Princesses gonna work in Ch4. Your gonna Replay Ch4 Ch5 Epilogue to continue the Previous Routes over and over again till your sick of KQ2015 because Ch3 Only introduced you with 2 Princesses.

At the end of Ch3 we see the Tower get all Frosty where as the hand of one of the Princesses gets caught and is turning to ice which indicates a Clue that she might be the Ice Queen in Ch4 since after the Credits we see Graham standing on a Snowy Foreground with an Ice Palace in front.

Ok where does the Third Princess even come in you ask, well if there was a Third Princess she would be completely frozen in ice like one of the Sisters in KQ7 where Valanice found her in ice in Dream World.


So technically speaking, Graham saves a Princess with one having her Hand in Ice and the other one simply being Dead in Ice.

The Third Princess could be called Anise in which at the end of the Chapter we find out she is also called Valanice.
« Last Edit: April 30, 2016, 08:51:22 AM by daventry »

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Re: An Issue with KQ2015 Ch3 - Spoilers
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2016, 03:08:54 AM »
Okay, dude, we get it. You think there should have been 1 or 3. You've mentioned this several times already. Let it go.

Why does everyone think it HAS to be Hagatha? There's NOTHING in the files apparently that says so. Besides, the timeline would make her much older than Graham. She was locked in the tower as a child, grew up, and as she started aging, she started taking potions to make herself stay younger or at least look younger as an illusion. If she were Graham's age she wouldn't resort to that already, unless she's REALLY that vain.

Besides, I've always assumed her real name was Agatha, and she only took up the name Hagatha after she turned herself into said hag. Also besides, as Graham says, she needs to love herself rather than just waiting for a man to love her and rescue her. It would look WAY too sudden and strange for Graham to confess his love for her. Being friends? Possibly. Lovers? No.

Three is a big number in the series, and wouldn't you know it, it's popular in fairy tales too. But you don't get three choices with everything you do, and in a chapter that's trying to make a "fairy tale" more complicated, wouldn't you want to, just once, make a subversion?
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Re: An Issue with KQ2015 Ch3 - Spoilers
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2016, 07:19:18 AM »
I have Confirmation that The Odd Gentlemen intended a Third Princess, but due to timing she was cut out from the Route of Choices.
http://steamcommunity.com/app/345390/discussions/0/357284767242367811/#c357284767242743402
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Re: An Issue with KQ2015 Ch3 - Spoilers
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2016, 08:35:39 AM »
That's not official word. That's just a forum post with speculation.

We don't NEED to save her! She's fine on her own! That's the entire point of the climax is that she doesn't need to love anybody but herself!

Why are you so insistent on this?! It's getting really annoying because you just will not shut up about it! Trust me, if we would have been able to find a way to turn her human again, it would have been found in the data files already!!

Let it go!

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Re: An Issue with KQ2015 Ch3 - Spoilers
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2016, 02:54:07 PM »
I'm guessing from those poll results that the one vote that says "I agree" was Daventry voting in his own poll. Classy.
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Re: An Issue with KQ2015 Ch3 - Spoilers
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2016, 03:34:52 PM »
Also wouldn't it technically be Allie/Ally? Not Anise? Because that's covered by Neese already. No sense being redundant.

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Re: An Issue with KQ2015 Ch3 - Spoilers
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2016, 04:19:00 PM »
I'm reminded of the ending of Batman and Mr. Freeze: Sub Zero, where Freeze goes back to the Arctic to live with his polar bears and hears on the news that his wife has been given the operation needed to save her life, funded by Wayne Enterprises.  After finding out that her life has been saved, he happily moves on with his own life.

Similarly, in the end of KQ chapter 3, it looks to me like the princesses were the two people whom Hagatha cared for the most.  And seeing their lives saved from the spell she almost cast on them, after Graham's inspiring words, was all it took for Hagatha to move on with her life as well.  And that good feeling was probably augmented by the knowledge that one of them would marry Graham and start a family of her own.
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Re: An Issue with KQ2015 Ch3 - Spoilers
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2016, 04:34:00 PM »
Make it 2 votes now decided to agree

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Re: An Issue with KQ2015 Ch3 - Spoilers
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2016, 07:47:29 AM »
I'm glad they dialed back the triforce values. It is possible for a human being to have more than one principle than brave/wise/compassion. I think the game did a good job showing that either Valanice choice had elements of all three.
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