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Re: The OMFGWTFYAY FER SAY Thread
« Reply #40 on: August 17, 2004, 07:25:30 AM »
We ARE here for you.  And believe it or not...life only gets so bad before it gets better!

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Re: The OMFGWTFYAY FER SAY Thread
« Reply #41 on: August 17, 2004, 12:51:16 PM »
Chvez and his people can all die!

It made so freaking mad too...

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Re: The OMFGWTFYAY FER SAY Thread
« Reply #42 on: August 17, 2004, 12:53:36 PM »
If I hug you, will you promise not to fart on me?
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Re: The OMFGWTFYAY FER SAY Thread
« Reply #43 on: August 17, 2004, 01:22:43 PM »
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Re: The OMFGWTFYAY FER SAY Thread
« Reply #44 on: August 17, 2004, 01:23:23 PM »
*gently hugs Cesar*

Be nice...please...
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Re: The OMFGWTFYAY FER SAY Thread
« Reply #45 on: August 17, 2004, 04:12:09 PM »
>hugs Cesar and Say<


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Re: The OMFGWTFYAY FER SAY Thread
« Reply #46 on: August 17, 2004, 04:26:10 PM »
politics is a load of s***....it always makes ppl upset. urgh.  :(
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Re: The OMFGWTFYAY FER SAY Thread
« Reply #47 on: August 17, 2004, 06:08:54 PM »
ack, even though I heartly agree with Cesar, Cesar remember we can't make many political statements around here so... yeah  :-\

It just sucks and such, the yes actually won over 60% ~ I have an interesting file that shows that stadistically it is impossible for the same variations on the data to be repeated (exactly) the same not just in one state, but ALL OVER the states, that's mathematicall impossible that the mode rounds the exact same figures, it is absolutly impossible, so the mistake happens to be on the electronic system due the fact it actually submit the vote NO/YES, printed out the answer but on the Database it actually had a hacking code to standarize the results as in yes or no, when yes was over the no it used to standarize it over 130~ to 150~ in EVERY votation center which means the computers were redefined to "standarize" over mare percentages on the totals and obviously EVEN if they tried to do the counting the printes statements in the voting sheets would make a difference, so they're actually revising this and they can't believe how the international organizations can accept results which are stadistically impossibly and mathematically impossible as a true clean process, the proofs are beyond any eyes, and anyone who happens to know how the mode and %'s work can honestly see the results and see how they are mechanically standarized all over the country, the biggest scam on history of Vzla I tell you.

I'm speaking about the process in no way I'm saying my personal thoughts on this matter, which seriously they are not too far from Cesar's feeling to be honest.

And I also agree with Kimmie, politics sucks, specially a comunism disguised as a poor democracy. (k that one was a personal political statement, so sue me)


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Re: The OMFGWTFYAY FER SAY Thread
« Reply #48 on: August 17, 2004, 06:13:33 PM »
I'm going to offer lots of sympathy and hugs... partly because I'm a nice person, and partly just in case I end up needing sympathy and hugs back once this November rolls around. :P

(And partly because we're all too familiar over here with voting weirdness/scams, so we can sympathize. :P )

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Re: The OMFGWTFYAY FER SAY Thread
« Reply #49 on: August 17, 2004, 08:12:55 PM »
G'day Say, that's really crap news.  :-[

Unfortunately that seems to be what happens with politics everywhere. Somehome the guy/girl that no one likes gets into power.   ???

I'm proud of what you said to that guy who was talking crap about our actors. You should do the same to Chavez. Take his OIL off him, rip his testicles off... then the world will be a better place.

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« Reply #50 on: August 17, 2004, 09:31:23 PM »
The things I could compare about the US/Louisiana to Say's post...  :-X

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Re: The OMFGWTFYAY FER SAY Thread
« Reply #51 on: August 17, 2004, 10:27:46 PM »
thanks all <3


it's just a sad topic, because beyond what you know there is what we live here and it's not fun no matter how stupid and biased cnn and the rest of the news may say, anyhow  :-\


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Re: The OMFGWTFYAY FER SAY Thread
« Reply #52 on: August 19, 2004, 03:24:23 PM »
I was going to post this on the "what are you doing thread" because what Im doing right now is sadly thinking, but then again I thought for the matter of the content I better place it at haven at my own thread, at least I know the few ones that DO care, will read, that's what means to me.

I'm thinking how such in short time I feel as if I've wasted my time around the development of kq9, on 2 briefly days I've had to recieve hate mail, rude spam, pointless complaints and insults too (even in my email), truth is I do this with my free time but if support is running thin then Im seriously considering to give them exactly what they want because it's really pointless to commit to a work like this, not get payed, do crap for free ALL THE TIME because I don't just run a department I'm part of 3 in which I do logistics and schedules too as if i were any normal member, why I do it? due the time I commit to this, level of trust Cesar has on me, and obviously skills (he wouldn't ask me to do something I don't know how to do) I practically have no life, the fact that I've been selective toward attention and commitment means crap if you just can't take it then I'm freaking sorry, did I have to deal with just a newbie comes and tells me what to do with the online auditions? while I wanted to tell him to shove his stupid comments up his ass I had to be political (I wasn't diplomatic he didn't diserve that) he was clueless and rude and on his second email he openly flamed me at my mailbox, since the first email was a waste of time I couldn't even bother to READ IT ALL, I just won't sink to his level period, he can think and say whatever the f*** he wants he won't know everything I've done or anything that it's meant to be done in just ONE day that he skimmed though the forums, on the other hand I remember beernuts, while he supported way back then all the old staff which they did s***, Im sorry they didn't do HALF or anything compared to the work we've done in 2 years, then we had to carry on the burden he's seen the slow s*** they've come to nothing and blah blah, I'm sorry that administration did s***, we've proven different so far, there was a moment when it ran old and he almost got banned for abusing of the freedom given here, now liam keeps nagging about stupid pointless s*** and many ppl has been nagging about the most absurd s***, in what f***ing place you see cool s*** updated monthly? I can't freaking come up with such a large site as this even with half the cool web features we do have, none of those places do actually have such LARGE features and LARGE participation and active weekly s*** to show no matter what to their fans, so honestly, at least we keep the weekly updates the AOTW, the polls, all that crap to keep the motion flow, even the journal we've updated, and Im sick and tired ppl freaking whine when you've been already given more than you should have, who freaking fan game has done flash games with spoiler and screenshots as prizes? WE did that s*** for you, sometimes Neil and I  get to argue week after week with cesar to get to show you or tell you new crap from the game while he is running thin of patiente to keep showing it all, we fixed the site, we try to keep contest to open participation, even though I was 100% against the online auditions I supported it and worked on the stupid process for it and you people can't do nothing but complain about it, and honestly can't even realize I don't sit here to work on this website 24/7 I also do PR and COORDINATION now, if you just can't deal with it well neither can I, Im not here "wasting" my free time to get bitched at, to get annoyed, to get nagged over s*** that I've explained myself over 50 times, Im sorry, Im freaking sorry I am human too, I've given you more than I thought I ever could we keep s*** up and smooth for you but honestly is, this week has depressed me so badly about kq9 work, as a person you can only take so much, Im running seriously thin in patience because I do this from the bottom of my heart and I get flame and spam on the forum, well enough, I am fixing every single crap about the website because I'm pretty much fed up with the lately lack of support so NO MORE NEW MONTHLY s*** UPDATES, no more fun s*** cuz Im tired, I can't deal with it and Im the one doing it sad but true so that's how reality goes, I will do it when it's done and from then forget about cool stuff, you'll get whatever, Im done arguing with cesar to get you cool web s*** over here (journal, aotw, etc), Im done trying to get insulted, flamed, accused without even a freaking question first, and even so when I answers means like s*** to some, the few efforts I do to keep this place fun and cool for everyone and keep it updated whit stuff NEVER SEEN IN A FAN PLACE BEFORE, I feel like why the hell do I do it? why, honestly... Im tired and Im sick of it.

I do love some of you, honestly, you're the few ones that glue me back to my sense, make me smile everyday, but truth is sometimes I really just don't know what to do because this is unfair and seriously not right and personally do I need something like this?, if it weren't for Neil I guess I would have been gone ages ago, because if there is one thing I never thought I would was to get flamed for free AND have to take it, not ONCE in a single job I've had in my life I've let my boss come over me or a client come and insult me NEVER, that think they know me and they can insult me just because they go like "omfg you're the PR director take it" pffft that's just a title to say the things I do for this team and even so Im so not payed that why do I even have to take it? I wont ever get payed neither anyone will, truth is I know so far everyone who works here is on his/her field, but we all do this from the bottom of our heart, and I hate it when ppl abuse of it, honestly.

I have no friends to talk with so I thought I would paste it here to share it with the few that may know about it and care for me, and in advance I say thanks. Sorry for the long rant.

And if someone has nothing good to say then shove it up where the sun don't shine, period, my thread on haven, my thoughts as a person (oh yes I have somewhat a life besides kq9, amazing!) I will not take another bullshit from anyone around here, NOW I will be the b**** everyone thinks I am. That will be fun.


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Re: The OMFGWTFYAY FER SAY Thread
« Reply #53 on: August 19, 2004, 03:38:14 PM »


I don't understand why people continue to complain.  If they did a search on the forum, first of all, they'd see numerous posts already about the lack of updates and the reasons for the delay.  Personally, I don't mind the delay because I know you guys are doing your best and working your hardest.  You don't want to give us something that is not the best.  If you did less than the best, those same people would complain because it could be better.

Unfortunately, the only thing you can do is just say that the updates are on their way and ask that they be patient.  If they refuse to do so, you just have to ignore them.  I know, I know...that's more easily said than done.  But I hope you realize that we are right here and will give you the support you need as you are being complained to.  
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Re: The OMFGWTFYAY FER SAY Thread
« Reply #54 on: August 19, 2004, 03:53:02 PM »
(blows breath out)

Mmm. (sigh) I'm an honest person, so as much as I don't want to, I'm going to give an honest answer.

I really wish I could say that it's going to get better from here, and everything, but honestly...

You folks have been very, very lucky here. The vast majority of the people who post here are very friendly, very supportive, and very wonderful. I've been a member of many forums and newsgroups, and this is far and away the most kind and cohesive fandom I've ever been in. It could be a lot, lot worse... I've seen it, and even tried to moderate it.

When I was in retail, I used to always complain about how rotten the customers always were. But now that I can look back from the outside, I realize that 95% of the customers were really good folk... it was only 5% that was mean and ugly. It just seemed like more, because that 5% was a lot louder and in my face.

It's the same here. The vast majority of posters here seem to me very supportive of you folks. We understand you have lives, and we're willing to be patient. We understand we're lucky to get the things that we get, and that you work hard. And we understand that sometimes work gets so involved that we can't get informed for a while, but the game is still going strong. That's what truly matters to most of us.

There are going to be naysayers, and naggers, and people who complain. There are *always* going to be people like that, no matter what. In fact, as this site gets more popular and you guys get more attention, there are going to be more of those types of people who are going to show up. It's inevitable, and if you want to stay afloat you'll have to be able to handle it.

However, I can safely say that there will be far more people who will join that will be supportive of your efforts. You *cannot* let the few people who are negative blind you to the far larger amount of people who are positive. If you do, you're going to burn out really quickly.

Any type of PR or customer service requires a thick skin. I've gotten yelled at, insulted, even physically hit sometimes, by customers so many times I've lost count. It comes with the territory, unfortunately. If you're going to stay in the field, you have to learn to cope with it as a matter of survival.

Yet, for every customer that made my life a living nightmare, there were 10 customers that smiled, talked to me, praised my work, and made my day a lot sunnier. So everytime someone pisses you off by acting like a jerk, knock a few heads together, set them straight, and remember that there's a whole posse of people out there who are at your back.

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Re: The OMFGWTFYAY FER SAY Thread
« Reply #55 on: August 19, 2004, 04:27:53 PM »
I've seen projects fail, because of negative and nagging fans(for lack of a better word). If this was just some other freeware game project(no matter how great), I'd only look into it every couple of months.

I've checked on the site/forum over 90% of the days since I've joined. I'm here, because of the people that are making the game, and their fans(we're not just fans of the game, but also the creators).

I seem to end up editing and deleting everything I type, after this point, so I'll end my post with this.

If people are impatient about the game being finished, and the site being updated, then they must know that you're doing something special and grand. That is something you can take pride in.
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Re: The OMFGWTFYAY FER SAY Thread
« Reply #56 on: August 19, 2004, 04:36:26 PM »
there is something you're seriously missing from this whole deal, regardless of A N Y T H I N G Im here because I want to, noone has payed me neither will pay me, Im not a big adventure freak, Im not here cuz it is my dream to "make it" in the game development genre, I am FINE the way I am with I was doing so, I wasn't even nearly related to them when I joined, after 2 years it's obviously this project is moved BY personal reasons, because you want your portfolio to grow, cuz you want to work on game development, cuz you like kq's becuase of everything like it or not this can't be compared by reasons as a real job, but mostly as a passion and that my friend IS a personal motive, WHICH keeps this group together AND moving.

My point is, I've been around this for 2 years by now, I've taken and shove up my ass more than you will ever know, from INSIDE and OUTSIDE, sad to say it is so much more what goes INSIDE which probably noone of you will ever know that I get outside, but when you get flaming and s*** from BOTH sides, what the f*** are you continously doing here? I understand jeysie's point but you dramatically fail to see what moves something like this AT LEAST TO ME, it's more for the belief of the quality of work rather than my OWN personal passions, which sad to say they're being killed because I don't care however the f*** this may be you didn't see the emails I've got which attack me personally regardless of my PR status, and so sorry there is no money in this world neither passion that will put me though something like that, I may dislike myself but I don't have to take that s*** from anyone, I don't do at my real PAID job, I don't have the need to do it for free either, that's my point.

Honesty involved, it is obvious im not talking about you, Im talking about ME, for once in my goddamn life I wanna be selfish and ask myself why the f*** I have to take so much flaming over a s*** I accepted to do? then I sould just take it back, period. That's my point.


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Re: The OMFGWTFYAY FER SAY Thread
« Reply #57 on: August 19, 2004, 04:37:09 PM »
Well, as much as I agree that being a b**** can be fun...being noe will make the support for KQ9 really wear thin in the end.
I think the best approach for this, is to keep being diplomatic and political but to rant at those of us who want to help you. We're here for you if you need us Say.

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Re: The OMFGWTFYAY FER SAY Thread
« Reply #58 on: August 19, 2004, 04:42:47 PM »
btw Daniel you haven't done a single thing wrong, this whole thing is due the fact that it is obviously that I've got hatemail this week, but the thing is that, when that crosses the personal line in things that DO get to you, you come to think of the reason of this whole thing MEANS to you, and suddenly you question yourself wether you do the right thing or not, and obviously this is by no means just the nagging and spamming at the forum, this is due the fact I got SAD to see all the hatemail I had in my kq9.org from few ppl but yet constant for a while by now, that for me means, if i were someone else (or at least getting something REAL) out of it, I wouldn't mind, shut up and do my job, but Im sorry, this is not what pays my bills and certainly not what keeps me happy either. I do this out of will, but as it comes it may end if it starts become something negative in my life, regardless of how professional OR whatever crap I wanna be, that's the point, by no means you could have possible know half the s*** that I've got hence the only one that could have read all of it is Neil since he's the one that has stuck up with me though s*** and good around here. But my point is, I am human, sorry. It is all losing meaning the more it continues and I have no personal outcoming out of this other than what is has became in my portfolio other than that I wont cut my wrists cuz there may be OR not any breakthough adventure genre, now that's honest, Im here cuz I love this team and I love the fans, period, but the more it gets pushed It runs thin and that reason fades.


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Re: The OMFGWTFYAY FER SAY Thread
« Reply #59 on: August 19, 2004, 04:45:58 PM »
By no mean it's fun at all, and this is my personal statement it does not by any means reflect anyone on this team, I dont think anyone personally cares since I am apparently the only one here for personal reasons, everyone is either a die-hard fan or just really eager to have top notch crap to show off, I've been around long enough to prove myself the commitment of my efforts yet it wasnt fun then it's not fun now and yes, my point (yet again) is that sad to say I may go (I really don't know), but the whole thing will obviously stay, I am not kq9.


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