The Official General Chat thread!

[Deloria]

*is glad no one's contemplating suicide*

[Yonkey]

Erm... sorry, maybe I shouldn't have used that example.

Let's say baking cookies.

If the cookies ends up getting burnt, do you examine why they got burnt, or do you just blame the oven?   Either way, they're inedible.

[Rosella]

- pondering if the end justifies the means or vice versa

Personally, I don't think it does, but vice versa it means the same thing...
(Whether the means justify the end = whether the end justifies the means. )

I don't think the end justifies the means. If I had to copy off someone to ace a test, and I did, it really isn't worth it. I think the means can justify the end though. If I failed a test, but I did my best, I would feel like there were no better means, so my result was acceptable.

[awesomeasapossum]

I tried reporting myself to a mod and it said something like: You can't report your own post  to a mod! That doesn't make sense!

[Deloria]

- pondering if the end justifies the means or vice versa

Personally, I don't think it does, but vice versa it means the same thing...
(Whether the means justify the end = whether the end justifies the means. )

Yes, but is it likely that you would fail a test?

[Rosella]

Well, no, but it was an example!

[J-ROC]

The means can justify the end.  For example, life itself.  The ultimate outcome is death, so one could ask what's the point of even living?  The means justifies the end because life is about the entire series of events from beginning to end, rather than the end itself.

Anyway, this isn't why I asked the question, but I just wanted to give an example.

That is a horrible example, because there is only one end is irrelevant of the means.  Thus, in that case, the means are only justifying the means.  The "end" is irrelevant because that particular "end" isn't a variable.

[J-ROC]

Erm... sorry, maybe I shouldn't have used that example.

Let's say baking cookies.

If the cookies ends up getting burnt, do you examine why they got burnt, or do you just blame the oven?   Either way, they're inedible.

Again, bad example.  That's the means explaining the end, not justifying it.  If you know they're going to get burned (the "end") you change your cooking method (the "means") and again, we're left with the end justifying the means.

Basically, what I'm saying is that results can justify actions.  Actions can lead to results, but not justify it.  Results are "unjustifiable".

[Yonkey]

If you know they're going to get burned (the "end") you change your cooking method (the "means") and again, we're left with the end justifying the means.

Well, I was assuming that you don't know they would get burnt beforehand (which is usually the case).  If you knew initially or could predict that they would get burnt and still go ahead with it, then the means would justify the end. 

You're correct that actions lead to results, but it's more the justification of the result that's the problem.

[Rosella]

Why is no one mentioning my example?

[Yonkey]

Why is no one mentioning my example?

Maybe too many of us have cheated on tests?

[Rosella]

I just noticed two things.

1) This thread is on it's 99th page
2) There's part of the script in the journal.

That is all.

[Deloria]

I hereby lock and unsticky this holy Threade!!

[Yonkey]

Don't forget to merge it with the other two.

[dark-daventry]

You got it all wrong! Bill Gates would buy sierra and all of the games would go to the Xbox! I have a Windows, so if it goes to windows, I'm fine! What I don't have however is an Xbox, nor do I want one!

[Deloria]

"Hey Ikea dude! I'm half Swedish, and those Swedish cookies you sell at Ikea are REAAAAALLY good. Can I have 42 million Euro? "

He actually lives here by choice! He must be insane.

[dark-daventry]

Why? What's wrong with sweden?

"Hey Ikea dude! I'm half Swedish, and those Swedish cookies you sell at Ikea are REAAAAALLY good. Can I have 42 million Euro? "

Nice way to get something! Talk about something to divert his attention, and then upbruptly change it to more important talk! I should try that with my parents!

[Deloria]

Nothing's wrong with Sweden, lots of things are wrong with Switzerland!

[Jafar]

Switzerland gives you 12000 bonus points.

[dark-daventry]

...I understand... I think...