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Re:Harry Potter
« Reply #100 on: October 02, 2004, 03:02:31 PM »
Hmm, true. My idea of dark are things that are steeped into the truly "black," about hidious evil's and the merciless acts they perpetrate. The good guys almost never win and if they do scape away with something, they will have to have suffered immensly in the process for relatively little gain. And before you say "but no such book exists," you are wrong. This is the stuff I write!
When cities burn and armies turn,
and flee in disarray,
Cowards will cry 'tis best to fly
and fight another day.
But warriors know it in their marrow when they die and fall,
It is better to have fought and lost than not have fought at all.

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Re:Harry Potter
« Reply #101 on: October 02, 2004, 05:20:35 PM »
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Rune: Yeah, Cedric was in Hufflepuff. Poor Cedric... I actually got almost a little teary-eyed at the end of GoF when Dumbledore was giving his speech. I never cry at books, so that's as close as it gets! (No, I didn't get weepy-eyed at the end of OotP... I never liked Sirius a great deal, truth be told.)

Hufflepuff reminds me of the Minbari Worker Caste from Babylon 5... You have the brave soldier/adventurer types of Gryffindor, the power-hungry leader/bureaucrat types of Slytherin, and the scientist/engineer types of Ravenclaw. What's left? The worker/service/support types... i. e. Hufflepuff!

And which Harry Potter site was that, Rune? I keep getting sorted into Hufflepuff in quizzes myself... I might be brainy enough to get into Ravenclaw, but I value loyalty and hard work a little more. I'm not ambitious nor cunning enough to be in Slytherin... and I'm not brave and adventurous in a general sense to be in Gryffindor... only when people (or the truth) need protecting.

Speaking of houses... I always was rather curious as to how Peter ended up in Gryffindor... he doesn't seem very brave or adventurous, does he? I also saw a site that made a (reasonable, I think) claim that Percy would have been better suited to Slytherin...

Shadow: You like my theories? (blush) Of course, we both like Lupin, so we must be on at least one similar wavelength...

I think you're on your own about the darkness thing, though. ;) I've certainly read and seen darker works... Babylon 5, Dark City, and such... but even Babylon 5 isn't as dark as the stuff you paint. Besides, I watch/read to escape... and while I'm too steeped in reality to like most fluffy stuff, I like my entertainment to have some light at the end of the tunnel. Besides, c'mon, even Stephen King loves the Harry Potter books! ;)

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Re:Harry Potter
« Reply #102 on: October 02, 2004, 08:28:25 PM »
Lessee...

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Rune: Yeah, Cedric was in Hufflepuff. Poor Cedric... I actually got almost a little teary-eyed at the end of GoF when Dumbledore was giving his speech. I never cry at books, so that's as close as it gets! (No, I didn't get weepy-eyed at the end of OotP... I never liked Sirius a great deal, truth be told.)

I cry too easily at books, stories etc.  (I don't like others seeing me crying though. lol) Actually, it was the main site...http://harrypotter.warnerbros.com where I was sorted; I went to enroll in Hogwarts...I'm not sure what I did differenetly this time, but I was sorted into Ravenclaw ;)  

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Actually probably cause I said I would save the money instead of spend it.

I think maybe Pettrigrew was sorted into Griffindor because he wanted to be.  I mean that's what happened to Harry...the sorting hat thought he might be good in Slytherin but he wanted to be in Griffindor more than anything else, so that's where he ended up.  I wonder if its possible that James, Sirius and Moody(who's name I can't remember) were sorted first and Pettigrew had already attached himself to them, kinda like Ron and Harry were friends from the first.  Pettrigew must have been hard to place...he had Slytherin qualities but was basically a coward; the most he could have been there was a cronie like Crabbe and Goyle, but maybe if he could get out of that in Griffindor he would become better and at least useful in society.

Also..maybe he started out ok and changed.  I'm sure that's happened before with the sorting hat...people change all the time. I mean, Snape I believe was Slytherin (not really sure); however, I don't think Snape is really all that bad...sure a little on the anti-social side with his greasy hair and Potter-hating tendencies, but that was explained anyways.  I think the characters tend to change and maybe if they are sorted in the first place...that's only an estimate of how they will be in the future.

Percy was a Griffindor, though maybe he should have been in Ravenclaw (see the pot bottom thickness) or at most Slythering.  And I'm not sure Rowling ever told us what house Tom Riddle was actually sorted into to begin with.  He looked like he was good at fooling people, so it might have been Griffindor.

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I'm actually wondering if Rowling's secret door has been opened since the last time I saw it...after many puzzles (which I didn't solve of course lol) I opened a safe and got a slip of paper out of it.  Has it been opened since?
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Re:Harry Potter
« Reply #103 on: October 03, 2004, 08:52:58 AM »
(confused look)

I *know* I made a reply late last night concerning results from an alternate "sorting hat" quiz, and detailing the fact that I get emotional from movies and TV shows, but seldom books. It wasn't remotely inappropriate, though perhaps half off-topic. Was there a database hiccup? The forum is acting a little odd this morning.

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You make an interesting point about Peter. After all, Neville doesn't start out very brave or confident, but after some exposure to Harry & Co., he finds depths he didn't know he had within him, but the Sorting Hat obviously did. Perhaps Peter did have Gryffindor qualities lurking within... unfortunately, if we are to consider Snape's Pensieve memory to be typical, the "Marauders" weren't the greatest of role models. (ponders) I don't think Peter is inherently evil/a creep... just a fellow whose weaknesses went very wrong.

Oh, and you meant Moony, who is Lupin. :)

As for Snape being in Slytherin, there's nothing that says Slytherins automatically become evil. It's simply that the sort of qualities that Slytherin seems to prefer are more likely to incline a person to be evil... however, there's no guarantee they will be. I wasn't just looking to justify why Percy is being a git, honest. ;)

And Tom Riddle is the Heir of Slytherin... hmm, but did they ever specify what house he was in? I can't remember off-hand.

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Re:Harry Potter
« Reply #104 on: October 03, 2004, 09:38:04 AM »
(confused look)

I *know* I made a reply late last night concerning results from an alternate "sorting hat" quiz, and detailing the fact that I get emotional from movies and TV shows, but seldom books.

It got merged with the Official Quiz Thread. :P
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Re:Harry Potter
« Reply #105 on: October 04, 2004, 07:16:37 AM »
From what I know, the hat places you were you decide you belong. (usually subconsciously). For instance, if Draco, with all of his arrogant qualities, mental really wanted to be in Gryffindor, the hat wouldve put him there. The personality qualities and traits are usually a prime factor on the persons choice... not their actual placement. Anyway, thats how I view it.

I always thought the solution Delenn came up with for the new Grey Council was a little silly. Power does have a tendency to corrupt anyone, regardless of caste... Giving the Worker Caste a large majority would just make them as arrogant as the religious/warrior castes... Instead of wars for pride or wars for morality, wouldnt it be wars for money and gain? I think JMS's next series should deal with an Imperialistic, Border Conquering, Minbar.  :P

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Re:Harry Potter
« Reply #106 on: October 04, 2004, 07:16:51 AM »
And Tom Riddle is the Heir of Slytherin... hmm, but did they ever specify what house he was in? I can't remember off-hand.

Peace & Luv, Liz

 I don't think Tom Riddle is actually although (as usual) I could be mistaken. I think i read something on JK's site saying that he wasn't Salazar (omg just realised the name! You're famous Say!) Slytherin's heir...i shall have a little look sometime today adn see if i can find some of teh stuff ive been quoting from there.
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Re:Harry Potter
« Reply #107 on: October 04, 2004, 07:28:29 AM »
Isnt Riddle a younger version of LV? If so, Im pretty certain it mentions several times in the 1st book that all the 'really evil' wizards come from Slytherin... I somehow doubt they'd be saying that if LV was from, say, Hufflepuff. It just doesnt make much sense.  :P

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Re:Harry Potter
« Reply #108 on: October 04, 2004, 09:10:13 AM »
Fatali: That's another good thought, on the Sorting Hat. I like it.

Alex: Well, there's this...

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Re:Harry Potter
« Reply #109 on: October 04, 2004, 10:36:50 AM »
Ahhhhh I knew there was a sectionn saying about the last remaining heir and the word "not" included. Lol i guess I should have known that seeing as only the heir can open the chamber of secrets *doi*.

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Re:Harry Potter
« Reply #110 on: October 05, 2004, 08:30:49 PM »
Ok guys.  Just wanted to let you know that my HP notes are completely typed out.  PM me if you want them!  I'll send them via email or MSN (or AOL or Yahoo, for those who prefer those).
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Re:Harry Potter
« Reply #111 on: October 05, 2004, 08:52:13 PM »
They're quite good notes... I've been boring Koko on MSN with all the long-winded thoughts they've been sparking into my brain. ;D

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« Reply #112 on: October 05, 2004, 08:55:51 PM »
I'm glad you've been enjoying them Jeysie! :D
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Re:Harry Potter
« Reply #113 on: October 05, 2004, 09:27:17 PM »
And thank you for letting me blather on to you, Koko! Maybe once you pass the notes around to everyone we'll get more blather here in this thread. I love anything that gets my brain cells going. ;D

And it occurred to me I'm supposed to be going to bed, but I wanted to try and fix my connection before doing so, and forum posting seemed a good way to test things... (slinks off)

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« Reply #114 on: October 14, 2004, 04:49:53 PM »
Aw, c'mon... don't tell me nobody else has read Koko's notes! ;D I was hoping to hear someone other than me blather on... :P We could at least say... I dunno... speculate about who will live and who will die! Morbid, just the way I like it!

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One thing I will blather on about... I can't believe I managed to miss Fatali's notion that Snape should be the leader of the Order if Dumbledore bites it.

I find this idea... odd, to say the least. Oh, definitely Snape has the raw knowledge for it. He's intelligent, well versed in a number of different magic skills (I doubt he's *just* a Potions Master and an Occulmens/Legilimens), and he's got plenty of first-hand experience with LV and Death Eaters and Dark Magic, etc.

But the man's people skills (whether due to inherent personality flaws or conscious affectation remains to be seen) are completely atrocious. He is condescending, unrepentantly biased, arrogant and bullying. He is prone to be reckless, is quick to make assumptions, holds grudges, and can be too blunt. Plus there's the small fact that nobody in the Order seems to like him much. Now, you don't have to be liked to be a leader, and Snape's personality to me lends him to a role of leading through fear and intimidation anyway. But such a method of ruling strikes me as unstable in the long run, plus it's going to be hard to get a group of generally decent people to stand for that sort of treatment for long.

Finally, there's the fact that Snape is an almost non-existent presence at the Order headquarters. It could be that in future books we'll learn that Snape's abrasive personality is all or mostly an act, that he's been doing sweepingly heroic things for Dumbledore, and he'll step in and be a good authorative presence. But considering our glimpses into Snape's pensieve, I don't think the first and last are true at least.

Now, I can see Snape as a major advisor... the one who plays Devil's Advocate and tells the leader what he needs to hear and points out all the holes in their plans, etc. But leader? No way. Not unless we get a very different Snape in books 6 & 7 than we have so far.

I think we should look at the people in the Order so far who seem to have shown a noticably authorative/commanding presence. Off the top of my head, I'd name these people to be Molly, Moody, and Lupin.

Personally, I think having Molly as a part of the Order is a really dumb idea. In fact, having any of the Weasleys other than Arthur, Bill and Charlie in the Order strikes me as being desperate for followers on Dumbledore's part, but I digress.

The woman is a housewife. Her role is to look after the children, cook, clean, and generally keep her house in order. She smothers people with love, mollycoddles them, and tries to protect and block them off from hurt and danger.

That's not to say that Molly could never be anything but a housewife... she is a talented witch and a strong personality. Just that she chose the main role of housewife, and seems content doing it. I have no doubt she could fight, and quite well, but only if pushed to do so to protect others. Or rather, to protect her family and loved ones... the rest of the world can fend for itself as long as her brood is safe. Her worst fear is her loved ones dying... she tries to block Harry & Co from getting much needed information in order to try to protect them... no, as domineering a personality as Molly is, she'd make a lousy leader. She'd lack the ability to objectively choose who's expendable and who isn't, be ruthless and keep her head in an emergency, and know when to take risks, when to cut your losses and run, and when to leave others behind for the greater good.

So then we have Moody. He strikes me as being a good tactician, is well-versed in chasing down "evil-doers", and is paranoid enough to think about all angles and threats. But he's also a bit *too* paranoid... just as it's not good to never realize there's something hiding in that shadow, it's also not productive to think there's something lurking in *every* shadow. Plus... I get the feeling that at least some of the other Order members humor him. ("Better wizards than you have lost buttocks, you know!" "Who d'you know who's lost a buttock?") Hard to be a leader if people don't take you entirely seriously. Moody strikes me as possibly more of a "front-line general" type, maybe.

So that leaves Lupin. The man is intelligent, quick-thinking, manipulative, can be a cold-blooded killer if necessary, and has the ability to command quiet respect and obedience from kids and adults alike. Even Molly and Sirius, probably the two most volatile personalities we encounter in the Order, can be reined in by him (albeit with Molly being more relucant about it). He's mentioned in several places as being "one of the best DADA teachers" at Hogwarts. Granted, the guy doesn't exactly have very challenging competition for the title, but still... the only other adult we've met in Harry's times who was competent at teaching DADA was a Polyjuiced DE. I'd like to think that Lupin has a fair amount of knowledge about the Dark Arts... although how he got that knowledge is a potentially interesting question.

Of course, Lupin has his faults too... he tends to cut people too much slack at times, he is indisposed on a regular basis, which might possibly occur at bad times, and on the rare occasions he doesn't think things completely through he can make some dumb mistakes. Then there's the fact that he was conspicuously absent during almost the entire DOM battle... what, was he waiting for an engraved invitation?

In any case, if I were going to make a case for someone being the Order's second-in-command, I'd pick Lupin or Moody, not Snape. But I'm always willing to be proven wrong! Not to mention the fact that I know jack-all about running a military organization in specific anyway... and prefer to keep it that way, at least in the sense of personal experience. :P

(Dammit, why do these always turn out so long? :P )

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Re:Harry Potter
« Reply #115 on: October 15, 2004, 05:13:29 PM »
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Snape - I can't see him being a leader either. Way to many personal vendettas against wizarding folk (Harry and Lupin being the obvious ones, I wonder who else bullied him at school?) and he's just not a person people would easily trust. TBH I've never really understood quite WHY Dumbleydorrrr (lol sorry just been reading GoF :D) has such major trust in him. Maybe its something we find out in the next book..

Lupin - No No No. He's unavailable one day of the month (probably more for that matter) if he hasn't taken his potion and is constantly described as looking tired and "old". Not a very convincing leader if you ask me.

Molly - Now I could see her being a leader for some reason. Maybe its just Julie Walters ego invading my thoughts but also remember she was in the order before she became the uber housewife so she must have made some kind of input then. Obviously as you say Liz shes blinded by love and really stupid in some cases but if one of herchildren were to be killed off *cough* PERCY *cough* she could be the next Serial mom!

My candidate for leader...Mconagall(spl?)! She just kicks ass in every area of the books and shes got the skills to be a really good leader as well as relevant experience as leader of a house.

Hmmmm once again there was more I wanted to add but I cant think of owt now :'(
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Re:Harry Potter
« Reply #116 on: October 16, 2004, 04:29:10 AM »
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Alex: I'm a little confuzzled by what you mean by "was in the order before she became the uber housewife". If we go by Moody's picture, she and Arthur weren't in the original Order.

(thinks) If we go by Rowling's FAQ comments about the Weasley kids' and Snape's ages, Molly and Arthur were busy raising baby/toddler Bill, Charlie, (and maybe Percy) while the "Marauders", Lily, Snape, etc. were attending Hogwarts as kids. Maybe they decided that being active participants in the War then was a bad idea with little rugrats running around the house.

I like the idea about McGonagall. I've always felt that if something happened to Dumbledore, she would at least be a great candidate to step in as Hogwarts Headmaster. (Headmistress?)

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Re:Harry Potter
« Reply #117 on: October 16, 2004, 04:44:05 PM »
Ahhhh so they weren't in the picture. I must have invented it in my head as I've just started to read OftP last night.

Agh the wait for the next book has sudenly become more agonising as Rowling releases more and more hints of whats to come. The latest is that another main character dies in book 6...random guesses anyone? Personally I have a hunch it may be Fudge. If you want to cause widespread panic kill off the minister of magic (no matter how incompetant he is) although I'm not so sure if he'll still be the minister in book 6 after the whole "voldemort is not alive" ordeal.

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Re:Harry Potter
« Reply #118 on: October 16, 2004, 05:29:50 PM »
Not another main character :'(  The good thing is that we know it's not Harry yet.  He has to appear in the seventh book! :P
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Re:Harry Potter
« Reply #119 on: October 17, 2004, 02:45:14 PM »
Well, Rowling says there's going to be a new Minister no matter what... (grin)

I can guess who *won't* die in Book 6... Rowling says Lupin will play an important role in Book 7, and I suspect the Trio and Peter will survive as well. That leaves plenty of other possibilities, however...

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