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« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2005, 06:14:26 AM »
Looks like I might have to play CT...now...where can I get the game?
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« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2005, 06:14:52 AM »
I don't know why I stopped playing after beating it twice. I guess I got distracted with other games...
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« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2005, 06:15:52 AM »
Class in 15. Be back soon. *vanishes*

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« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2005, 06:17:40 AM »
See ya later, dude. And Cat, you can get it on playstation if you buy Final Fantasy Chronicals.
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« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2005, 08:03:52 AM »
I'm with ya, Cat. There were always a few games I really wanted to play that only came out on PS systems. *sigh*  I actually have the Chrono Cross/Trigger, Xeno Gears, Suikoden, and Kingdom Hearts music, and it always makes me curious to play the game. I'ma gonna hafta find some computer wizard to change the format from PS to Nintendo for me... haha, cuz of course that's easier than caving in and buying a stupid PS. :P

Why WERE so many good games only released on PS? As far as I know, Sony didn't own the exclusive right to those games, did they? I mean, it wasn't like Mario or Pokemon or whatever that were private Nintendo titles, were they? I mean, FF started out on Nintento, after all...
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« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2005, 08:06:26 AM »
Yeah...I don't have a PS...don't know why we have to have so many gaming consoles ::)
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« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2005, 08:09:32 AM »
Square originally started exclusively on Nintendo. But for the kind of things Square wanted to do, they really needed a CD based system. So when Nintendo released the N-64 which used the same, tired cartidge method (which IMHO was a dumb thing to do) they signed a contract with Sony. There have been some rumblings of late that when the contract finishes Square will switch back to Nintendo now that they have finally gone CD.
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« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2005, 08:32:37 AM »
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Posted by: koko_99_2001       Posted on: Today at 04:06:26pm
Yeah...I don't have a PS...don't know why we have to have so many gaming consoles

Money. And competition is healthy, I think, if we had only one company and system... well I doubt we'd be getting the variety of technological advances and innovation that we enjoy. :) I can't wait until the new Zelda game for GC comes out this summer. XD My all-time favorite video game series. :) I even just bought the limited edition, only-released-in-Europe Zelda edition GBSP. Heh, stupid since they are coming out with the DS, buuuut I had to have it. :P Nyah. **polishes the gold triforce symbol on it**

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Square originally started exclusively on Nintendo. But for the kind of things Square wanted to do, they really needed a CD based system. So when Nintendo released the N-64 which used the same, tired cartidge method (which IMHO was a dumb thing to do) they signed a contract with Sony. There have been some rumblings of late that when the contract finishes Square will switch back to Nintendo now that they have finally gone CD.

Whoa, that would rock. When does the contract end? And why do they have to be exclusive to any company? And would all the old titles still be property of Sony or do they actually belong to Square (for example, the FF series switched platforms)? So... could they possibly be released as a sort of... older-games collection on Nintendo, as well?

Heh heh... wishful thinking...

But then, why are many games PS/XBox but not Nintendo? Wow I ask a lot of questions...
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« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2005, 11:38:31 AM »
*clicks split thread*

Hahaha who'd of thought a poll on what addition would spawn a nice big console debate!
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« Reply #29 on: January 26, 2005, 11:50:48 AM »
Sooooo Nintendo/Sony debate yay!

As far as contracts go, its not really the whole case. Sony bought a large amount of shares in Squaresoft (and Enix I believe) so even if they had wanted to release any games on the N64 they would of most likely been blocked by Big Bad Sony at the board meetings etc (I dont hate sony or anything lol).

Still on the gamecube we've seen a final fantasy (albeit a rather basic one) in Crystal Chronicles and the GBA and DS have seen (or will see) Re releases and remakes of the SNES Final Fantasies. There was also that huge rumour a few months back that Square-Enix were developing a new FInal Fantasy for the Gamecube featuring the characters of Final Fantsy 8 but seeing as the Nintendo Revolution is just around the corner I doubt we'll see that happen.

I'm just looking forward to March, the release of Square-Enixs first RPG for the DS, Egg Monster Hero. Then they'll be releasing FF:Cystal Chronicles on it (Woohoo for wireless 4 player on that!) and FF III from the snes. They also have an as of yet unnanounced RPG in development for the DS...we shall see!
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« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2005, 12:08:11 PM »
As far as contracts go, its not really the whole case. Sony bought a large amount of shares in Squaresoft (and Enix I believe) so even if they had wanted to release any games on the N64 they would of most likely been blocked by Big Bad Sony at the board meetings etc (I dont hate sony or anything lol).

I believe they bought their shares of Enix when the  stock prices dropped tremendously, shortly after the FinalFantasy movie was released. I'm pretty sure they had slightly over 19% of the company... before the merger. I'm not too sure, but I think they have about 8% of the company now. :P
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« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2005, 12:39:16 PM »
whoa... everythings so confusing... Plus no matter what happens, it involves me buying an expensive, bulky, piece of equipment.

Guess its time to turn to the 'un-FF'... World of Warcraft. MWhahahahaha!! :)

Seriously though, Ive never been a big Nintendo fan. Theres just something infuriatingly irritating about that fat italian.  :P

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« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2005, 12:41:22 PM »
Mario games Rawk everyones Sawks. :P
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« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2005, 12:43:59 PM »
... This of course, comes from the guy who likes Kirby.  8)

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« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2005, 12:47:21 PM »
I'm getting a tad tired of mario tbh. I'm hoping that Mario 128 somehow does for him what Mario 64 did for him 8 years ago though. I NEED a decent platformer, but still theres no claims that it is a platformer!

Oh about WoW, is it very system intensive? I've got it preordered from amazon for the EU release but still haven't got my new computer yet ;(
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« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2005, 01:17:42 PM »
whoa... everythings so confusing... Plus no matter what happens, it involves me buying an expensive, bulky, piece of equipment.

Guess its time to turn to the 'un-FF'... World of Warcraft. MWhahahahaha!! :)

Seriously though, Ive never been a big Nintendo fan. Theres just something infuriatingly irritating about that fat italian.  :P

and you don't call WoW expensive? :P

There are always the PC options anyway ( FF7/8/11 ), and the PSX ones can be emulated. :)

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« Reply #36 on: January 27, 2005, 03:23:50 AM »
I'm also with Koko. It's really annoying when there's one or two games you think look really cool, but they're for a console you don't have. When you're as strapped for cash as I am it's kind of hard to justify buying a $200+ console for one or two games. The only reason I have an N64 is because I won it. :P

PCs are much better in that regards. Granted, Linux and Mac support still sucks, but you still at least have the option of trying to play the game in a legal Windows emulator.

Personally I wish the consoles with CD-based games had legal emulators that played the original media (and cartridge consoles had legal emulators and for-fee ROMs). What they lost in console sales they'd make in game sales. (Let's face it, a PC geek who doesn't already have a given console likely wasn't going to buy one anyway, but they might like the games.) Seeing as how many companies take a razor-thin margin or a loss on the actual console anyway so they can rake in the money on games, this doesn't seem farfetched. (Believe it or not, the profit margin for a store selling a $300 PS2 console was, at most, $5. The margin for the console company was likely just as bad.)

Anyhoo. Getting back to less idealistic matters...

I used to like Nintendo better than Sony and Sega. Nintendo had games that had appealingly artistic graphics, a clean, friendly and goofy image, and were fun to play, and the Super Nintendo was THE RPG console. I've always found Sony and Sega's 3xtr3m3 g4m3rz!!1!1!! marketing image very off-putting, and thought that their trend towards polygonal 3D graphics was ugly. (Though there were some games on the Genesis that were quite fun to play.)

Of course, once the N64 also moved towards hyping the "bad attitude" image and 3D graphics, and, most irritatingly, having almost nothing but action games, I stopped liking it much. And very little about the GameCube has interested me.

One thing that Sony did get very, very right was having their PS2 have backwards-compatibility with PS1 games. If Nintendo offered ways to play the games from their old consoles on their newest one, I'd have my wallet out in a flash. It's a lot easier to justify buying a new console to try out the small handful of games that look interesting on it when you can play the dozens of old games you already find interesting as well.

Plus my old consoles are starting to wheeze and ask for Social Security. My NES in particular requires arcane rituals at specific phases of the moon to get working.

(Yes, I do know that their handhelds have always been backwards compatible, and that they're releasing versions of old games for their handhelds. But let's face it, I played the old games on a 25" TV, I want to still play them on a 25" TV. :P Or at least a 17" monitor.)

I read an incredibly good lament/analogy in an online article recently...

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Imagine that every few years, the technology to broadcast television changed so radically that everything produced up until that time could no longer be shown. No more reruns of "The Mary Tyler Moore Show," no more old Marx Brothers movies. You could only watch entertainment produced in the last two or three years. That is exactly what happens with computer games, where new technology is often incompatible with old games, turning great games into forgotten ones.

Kinda sad, innit? (Yes, the article was referencing computer games, but video games are just as bad, if not worse.)

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« Reply #37 on: January 27, 2005, 06:37:32 AM »
I have been trying to get Chrono Trigger for years :-\, but in the world of PAL Chrono Trigger is a rarity and impossible to find :-\

BTW I agree with ya Jeysie the SNES was great where as the N64 was a big let down :-\
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« Reply #38 on: January 27, 2005, 12:22:03 PM »
I'm also with Koko. It's really annoying when there's one or two games you think look really cool, but they're for a console you don't have. When you're as strapped for cash as I am it's kind of hard to justify buying a $200+ console for one or two games. The only reason I have an N64 is because I won it. :P

PCs are much better in that regards. Granted, Linux and Mac support still sucks, but you still at least have the option of trying to play the game in a legal Windows emulator.

Personally I wish the consoles with CD-based games had legal emulators that played the original media (and cartridge consoles had legal emulators and for-fee ROMs). What they lost in console sales they'd make in game sales. (Let's face it, a PC geek who doesn't already have a given console likely wasn't going to buy one anyway, but they might like the games.) Seeing as how many companies take a razor-thin margin or a loss on the actual console anyway so they can rake in the money on games, this doesn't seem farfetched. (Believe it or not, the profit margin for a store selling a $300 PS2 console was, at most, $5. The margin for the console company was likely just as bad.)

Anyhoo. Getting back to less idealistic matters...

I used to like Nintendo better than Sony and Sega. Nintendo had games that had appealingly artistic graphics, a clean, friendly and goofy image, and were fun to play, and the Super Nintendo was THE RPG console. I've always found Sony and Sega's 3xtr3m3 g4m3rz!!1!1!! marketing image very off-putting, and thought that their trend towards polygonal 3D graphics was ugly. (Though there were some games on the Genesis that were quite fun to play.)

Of course, once the N64 also moved towards hyping the "bad attitude" image and 3D graphics, and, most irritatingly, having almost nothing but action games, I stopped liking it much. And very little about the GameCube has interested me.

One thing that Sony did get very, very right was having their PS2 have backwards-compatibility with PS1 games. If Nintendo offered ways to play the games from their old consoles on their newest one, I'd have my wallet out in a flash. It's a lot easier to justify buying a new console to try out the small handful of games that look interesting on it when you can play the dozens of old games you already find interesting as well.

Plus my old consoles are starting to wheeze and ask for Social Security. My NES in particular requires arcane rituals at specific phases of the moon to get working.

(Yes, I do know that their handhelds have always been backwards compatible, and that they're releasing versions of old games for their handhelds. But let's face it, I played the old games on a 25" TV, I want to still play them on a 25" TV. :P Or at least a 17" monitor.)

I read an incredibly good lament/analogy in an online article recently...

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Imagine that every few years, the technology to broadcast television changed so radically that everything produced up until that time could no longer be shown. No more reruns of "The Mary Tyler Moore Show," no more old Marx Brothers movies. You could only watch entertainment produced in the last two or three years. That is exactly what happens with computer games, where new technology is often incompatible with old games, turning great games into forgotten ones.

Kinda sad, innit? (Yes, the article was referencing computer games, but video games are just as bad, if not worse.)

Peace & Luv, Liz

I agree with quite a few points but...

The N64 had virtually NO image in europe. Marketing by nintendo Europe has always been pants so im not sure what appraoch they took in the US but here it wasn't a good or bad thing...just a big gaping hole! I always wondered why they didnt just release the Japanese adverts with subtitles, i think it sums up what nintendo are about far better than trying to appeal to an audience that blatently isnt interested.

Also about action games on the N64...I wouldn't say it was mostly action games. Ok the RPG support for it was incredibly bad but classics like super mario, Banjo-Kazooie/Tooie, Conkers bad fur day (THE most funniest game ever made IMO) Zelda OOT and Zelda Mask of majora, Pilotwings, lylat wars (star fox?) and basically every other First party and Second party game was AAA quality. I think compared to SNES of course it was a letdown as they lost nearly all third party support (most importantly Square and Capcom).

Oh also a note about losses on consoles, I think I read somewhere that to start with, even the £300 price tag of xboxs here MS were losing over £50 with each one sold. Now theyre £99 so despite efficiency being improved I dread to think how much MS are losing on them now. Nintendo on the other hand have always stuck to the policy of not making a loss on hardware which is pretty incredible seeing how cheap the cube can be picked up now.

About the cube games also, I think theres alot there that would appeal to you Jeysie! I think you must of heard a few of us ranting about animal crossing which im sure ANYONE would love if they gave it a chance. Theres RPGs galore now with namco having released Tales of Symphonia and Baten Kaitos recently. Super Monkey ball was the best launch title and I still play it even now which I think also has a "anybody can play it" appeal.

lol ill stop now before i try to rma anymore games down your throat but im sure you get my point :D

One last nintendo thing (hehe) is that you can get teh Gameboy player for the gamecube (around £30/$40-50?) which allows you to play GBA games on the TV screen which is heaven for all the RPGS available for it.

I do strongly agree with the lifespan point. People were guessing that this generation would last at least 6 years but the way things are going now it could be over by xmas this year with in release of Xbox 2 and (possibly) the nintendo revolution. *sigh*. Still although theres new hardware out it doesnt mean you ahve to chuck your old stuff out! I still ahve my Black and white gameboy, Snes, PS1 and N64 which I get out when I'm feeling sentimental :pleased:
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« Reply #39 on: January 27, 2005, 12:49:37 PM »
Well said, Jeysie and Alex! I like Nintendo's image and games over the years much better than any other system. I agree wholeheartedly with the downwards compatability thing. I have SNES, N64 and NGC, but it's really annoying having to switch the hookups to the TV, and the older systems are starting to look a little worse for the wear (I feel ya, Jeysie!).  :-\

I think I'll always prefer fun and goofy with a dash of drama/intensity (when appropriate) to edgy, fast and (mostly) violent. I want to solve puzzles, interact with people/places/objects, improve hand-eye coordination (lol) and be entertained, not just move around and shoot/hack/zap/run-over "people." And while I enjoy computer games a great deal, there's something different about playing a console game in front of your TV with a controler in hand. :)

I'm not sure what you mean, Jeysie, about the "bad" image Nintendo developed? They made some decisions I don't like very much, but they're still way better than the others and many of their console and handheld games over the past few years I have enjoyed very much. 3D *can* be a good thing when done right, IMO.
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