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TheKnight Needs Cheering Up Intervention

Started by Oldbushie, March 01, 2005, 11:07:51 PM

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TheKnight has subtly hinted that he wants to not be depressed and thinks it would take a huge intervention to do so...

Mass MSN chat anybody? ;)

No scaring him off though...
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He already blocked me, so you'll have to count me out. Not that I'd be able to cheer him up in the first place...

On second thought, I'd advise everyone not to waste the effort in even trying. You can't help anyone out of a depression until that person allows you to help them out of it. I've seen no indication of that willingness in Tom.

And remember, "subtle" hints can often be misleading.
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Vipt, this may be your way of "tough love" or something but tbh its really not your place to say what people should be replying to. Some people need to block things out of their lives at times to cope with it all, as I'm sure you've experienced before.

SO please anyone else who feels the urge to reply in a negative way in this thread DON'T.
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#5
I feel that Alex's post requires a bit of a follow-up...

As a mod I could say that this thread is intended to be about planning a possible cheering up for The Knight. So it's definitely not a place for your personal attacks Vipt.

As a person, I can only tell you that you sure have some nerve. You can't drag a person who is already feeling down, even further down, how dare you? The Knight is obviously feeling bad, and whether or not he blocked you outside of this forum has nothing to do with anything. Maybe you had it coming, think of that? You advice the rest of us board users to not give an encouraging thought and word to The Knight, just because you are somehow offended over his behavior, which I do not see how adds up.

In other words, I don't mean to sound as harsh as I do. But for one, you violate forum rules, two, you are being an arse for personal reasons and just try to calm down with that. Whatever problem you have with him you need to deal with off-forum, this place is only for peace, love and understanding  <3
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On another note, I hope you feel better soon Knight :)
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Quote from: Warlock on March 02, 2005, 09:42:00 AM
I feel that Alex's post requires a bit of a follow-up...

As a mod I could say that this thread is intended to be about planning a possible cheering up for The Knight. So it's definitely not a place for your personal attacks Vipt.

As a person, I can only tell you that you sure have some nerve. You can't drag a person who is already feeling down, even further down, how dare you? The Knight is obviously feeling bad, and whether or not he blocked you outside of this forum has nothing to do with anything. Maybe you had it coming, think of that? You advice the rest of us board users to not give an encouraging thought and word to The Knight, just because you are somehow offended over his behavior, which I do not see how adds up.

In other words, I don't mean to sound as harsh as I do. But for one, you violate forum rules, two, you are being an arse for personal reasons and just try to calm down with that. Whatever problem you have with him you need to deal with off-forum, this place is only for peace, love and understanding  <3

Jesse...

No, Alex's post did not require a follow-up. Your response served absolutely no purpose, except to flaunt your idea of "moral superiority" over me. Do you think you somehow know all my intents and purposes, enough that you can publicly berate me over misconceived notions about me of your own insinuation? You do not. It's truly unfortunate that you've misconstued my comment to the point of absurdity, putting it in just about the worst possible light. It was certainly not a personal attack, and despite what you may think, I did not write it out of a malevolent spirit or for perverse self-gratification. It was indeed advice, and it was meant only as that. However, that advice was not "Don't give an encouraging word or thought to TheKnight". Had I said or even implied such a thing, then your invective would have been appropriate. But I did not. I'll say, that's one hell of a thing to read between the lines.

Nor have I even hinted that I am personally offended by TheKnight's behavior; yet another statement put into my mouth. Do you think just my mentioning that he has me blocked is enough to warrant that assumption? I think at least a few people here can attest that I'm not that petty person who holds grudges and seeks revenge for perceived injuries that you think I am. You're right about one thing though: that TheKnight blocked me has absolutely nothing to do with any of this, including the message I was trying to send. I did mention it in passing, but I certainly would have left it out had I known how it would be perceived. I in fact told him myself that if he did not wish for my company, then he ought to block me. So he did, and that's that. I was not personally offended, and I respect his decision.

And as to the assertion that I'm dragging him further down when he's already down: nothing could be farther from the truth or from my true motive. There is nothing inherently or purposefully insulting in what I said; I have merely made an observation on the situation and expressed my thoughts concerning it. I am not dragging him down, because unless someone mentions it to him he should not even see this, and he wasn't meant to. He completely refuses to click on KQ9 forum links when they are provided in chats, and he has said that he will never again visit under any circumstance. I have taken him at his word. And I also think it best that this thread remain unknown to him; not because I am afraid of what he might think of me (he can think whatever he wants), but because its only effect on him will be negative. I of course recognize this fact, yet it was not written for him in the first place.

Also, I do not mean to suggest that anyone should ignore him, or forgo giving him encouragement or whatever. Of course do those things, but I think this whole idea of a mass therapeutic intervention will not be helpful in least. A sudden influx of pity from a bunch of internet "buddies" is not something he'll want to deal with right now, trust me. It is ultimately something that he has to deal with himself (and I'm sure he will), but do not be so naïve as to think that your idea of an intervention is going to "cure" him. You cannot force someone out of a depression, no matter how much you might try. Moreover, he's been in this state, if you can call it that, for quite a few months now. It is not something new that just now requires urgent intervention.

It is of course only proper to be considerate and understanding with him when he's feeling this way, but don't overstep your bounds and make a situation worse than it already is. That's all I'm saying. If you feel my remarks here have absolutely no validity, then I would ask that you at least refrain from flaming me. I'd really rather no one continue this argument at all, as I am not interested in having my personal beliefs trampled underfoot for no better cause than this silly thread's vitality. I however felt I had to respond, because I will not let erroneous implications about me stand, nor let accusations against me go unchallenged.

I now wish I had not offered my feelings on the matter at all, and I apologize that everyone seems to have taken it so badly. However, I cannot apologize for something that I truly meant, and is even now my sincere belief. No further argumentation on the matter is going to make me admit otherwise; this is not a joke to me.

And if this post must be deleted for moderating purposes, then by all means do so. But I would ask that at least the previous post in question be removed along with it, in such case. I find it egregiously unfair to me, and I won't stand for its remaining unanswered and without refutation. "Tough love" indeed!



PS: My name is Kevin, not Vipt, and I'd appreciate it if you would address me as such, in consideration of how serious and personalized this matter has become (by no wish of my own).
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I'm going to be as brief as possible.

QuoteNo, Alex's post did not require a follow-up. Your response served absolutely no purpose, except to flaunt your idea of "moral superiority" over me.

Alex's post did indeed require a follow-up as it didn't much explain why your comments were wrong, or that they even violated forum rules. I also wrote my follow-up not just to tell you that, but to tell everyone else who might have had a problem with The Knight so they would know not to take it up in here. I don't hold any moral superiority over you Vipt, only a moderator status, and as such I am required to abide by the rules that come with being a moderator, one of them is to inform you of what/why and how you did something wrong, and make as sure as possible that you don't do it again.

QuoteDo you think you somehow know all my intents and purposes, enough that you can publicly berate me over misconceived notions about me of your own insinuation?

Indeed I do not. If you hadn't violated forum rules, I never would have tried. And that wasn't my intent, either. I don't need to know all of your reasons, I just have to judge on what I know, and from what I could read out of your post I assumed you and The Knight were having problems, something you did state in your post. (Albeit not by those words)

QuoteIt's truly unfortunate that you've misconstued my comment to the point of absurdity, putting it in just about the worst possible light. It was certainly not a personal attack, and despite what you may think, I did not write it out of a malevolent spirit or for perverse self-gratification.

This thread is about what? About you and The Knight's problems outside of this forum? Yes, yes? No! The very topic of this thread is that Knight is in need of cheering up, so what you did can be seen in no other way, than as a personal attack. What else would you call it? A friendly comment? Anything that isn't positive is in my eyes (as a moderator,) a personal attack, there really is no other need to be negative than if not to provoke someone or blow off steam.

QuoteIt was indeed advice, and it was meant only as that. However, that advice was not "Don't give an encouraging word or thought to TheKnight". Had I said or even implied such a thing, then your invective would have been appropriate. But I did not. I'll say, that's one hell of a thing to read between the lines.

Indeed advice? You adviced people not to bother trying, maybe not, not to bother trying to leave a comment here, but not to bother trying to cheer him up, that could also mean here. It's not my duty to be 100% accurate in my statements, as a moderator I can be as presumptuous as I like, because I don't exactly get a kick out of this, I just have to do it.

QuoteNor have I even hinted that I am personally offended by TheKnight's behavior; yet another statement put into my mouth.

You took the time to leave a very negative post in a thread which topic was all the opposite of that. If that doesn't incline that you were personally offended with him, then truly what does? It seems obvious, and that's good enough for me. Also note that I never put it into your mouth, but with the limited knowledge of the situation at the time, I don't see it as a wrong assessment.

QuoteAnd as to the assertion that I'm dragging him further down when he's already down: nothing could be farther from the truth or from my true motive. There is nothing inherently or purposefully insulting in what I said; I have merely made an observation on the situation and expressed my thoughts concerning it.

Are you kidding me? Nothing in your post was positive, your 'mere observation' was both off-topic and offensive.

Quoteunless someone mentions it to him he should not even see this

The thread has his name in it, I'm sure he'll see it. And even if he as you said, never wants to visit again, even the mere possibility that he might, is quite enough.

QuoteI of course recognize this fact, yet it was not written for him in the first place.

No, it was written for whomever might visit this thread, but it was still violating forum rules, whether or not he actually sees it is per the rules not important.

QuoteIt is of course only proper to be considerate and understanding with him when he's feeling this way, but don't overstep your bounds and make a situation worse than it already is. That's all I'm saying. If you feel my remarks here have absolutely no validity, then I would ask that you at least refrain from flaming me

Flaming you? How so? I was doing my moderator duties, and I felt that was best done by also expressing my personal opinion, it was however not to provoke you in any way, but in the hopes that you would refrain from repeating what you did. That doesn't constitute as flaming.

QuoteI'd really rather no one continue this argument at all, as I am not interested in having my personal beliefs trampled underfoot for no better cause than this silly thread's vitality.

Then you shouldn't have written your mega-long super post of fury, d'uh! Once you start to argue, you can't just expect people to not argue back, futhermore since you are still violating forum rules.

It's in a sense like pushing someone, and then asking them not to push back.

Quotenor let accusations against me go unchallenged.

What you did was pretty clear, there's nothing much to challenge. In either way, respect my authority as a moderator.

Quote
I now wish I had not offered my feelings on the matter at all, and I apologize that everyone seems to have taken it so badly. However, I cannot apologize for something that I truly meant, and is even now my sincere belief. No further argumentation on the matter is going to make me admit otherwise; this is not a joke to me.

This is not a joke to me either. I wish I didn't have to spend the first time after I just got home responding to some post, but yet I do. You don't need to apologize either, just don't repeat what you did.

QuoteAnd if this post must be deleted for moderating purposes, then by all means do so. But I would ask that at least the previous post in question be removed along with it, in such case. I find it egregiously unfair to me, and I won't stand for its remaining unanswered and without refutation. "Tough love" indeed!

Okay, and while we're at it let's slay some dragons.

QuotePS: My name is Kevin, not Vipt, and I'd appreciate it if you would address me as such, in consideration of how serious and personalized this matter has become (by no wish of my own).

On this forum, and for moderating purposes alone, you are Vipt, not Kevin. I refer to you as Vipt so the ignorant may better understand the situation.

If you have anything further to say, don't say it here, take it up with me on MSN or otherwise send me an e-mail, this argument does stop here.
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Quote from: Warlock on March 03, 2005, 04:01:07 AM
If you have anything further to say, don't say it here, take it up with me on MSN or otherwise send me an e-mail, this argument does stop here.

Correct.  If you want to continue with this argument, please take it outside the forum.  It is off-topic and getting offensive.  Vipt said he does not wish to be part of this intervention, for reasons stated above period.  Any further argumentative off-topic discussion will be deleted.
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oh my... lol

It takes a while to understand Kevin, and it also takes a while to understand Tom (Knight's real name) to be honest, I think everyone here is a bit biased into some way or another, all I can say is that Kevin has a peculiar way to portray this hence he I believe he knows Tom way much better than what WE at kq9 do.

Although I do know Kevin wasn't attacking Knight, Kevin is just a bit too forward sometimes, that's why I believe Alex and Jesse took it a bit further than what it was supposed to, yet again you guys are just doing your work, just try to address it once, tone it down plz (to ALL of you...) and instead of continously doing it here, take it to PM/MSN next time, k?? :)

NOW! a BIG GROUP HUGZ :D

*squeezes Kevin, Alex and Jesse... and even Neil and Knight into a BIG BIG suffocating HUGGLEZ!* :D <3





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XD  Hahah, I don't know about The Knight, but that certainly cheered me up! ;D  

*suffocates* :P
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I propose we show our concern love to Knight into a much nicer way, sort of like... this :)



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 :'( I missed out on the group hug...


:-* Neil! XD
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Quote from: koko_99_2001 on March 03, 2005, 10:09:36 AM
:-* Neil! XD

Psst, The Knight's the one you should be kissing, not me! :P  Thanks anyway! ;D
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