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What do they mean by Cassima being Alexander's downfall?

She will betray him to Shadrack
She will somehow lose their kingdom to Shadrack
She will sacrifice Alexander to save her kingdom
Cesar was joking. Cassima's awesome and couldn't be anyone's downfall
She loves Alhazred and will help him escape. Making Alexander kill her as a traitor, feel horribly guilty and go mad. :P

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Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
« Reply #80 on: March 11, 2006, 09:57:01 PM »
...or has it been specifically mentioned that TSL has decided to have Connor knighted in Daventry rather than still living up in Realm of the Sun as the Champion Eternal, True Upholder, Enlightened One, etc etc.

According to the letters published by TSL team, Connor will be knighted as Captain of the Royal Guard in Daventry, so it seems he'll be living at the kingdom:

http://www.postudios.com/archivedTSL/media/letters/letter2.html

http://www.postudios.com/archivedTSL/media/letters/letter3.html

http://www.postudios.com/archivedTSL/media/letters/letter4.html

Now... if Connor moved to the Green Isles it could be possible that Cassima was his downfall, or even his guiding light... but his queen?? :P

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Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
« Reply #81 on: March 12, 2006, 01:07:47 AM »
Maybe she's different things to different people? :P
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Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
« Reply #82 on: March 12, 2006, 02:02:00 AM »
So, speculation time: Cassima is Connor's downfall.
Cassima is Alexander's queen.
Cassima is Abdul's giuding light (out of the prison?:P)
 
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Re: CASSIMA!
« Reply #83 on: March 12, 2006, 09:17:33 AM »
Of course. :P But it's not like if he gets his hands on a knife he's going to go running around stabbing civilians.

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« Reply #84 on: March 12, 2006, 10:47:20 AM »
If it Abdul Alhazred had any form of magic it seems limited to his enchantment of the door, with the Ali Zebu mantra. Then again he might have had Shamir enchant the door for him.

Course if Abdul Alhazred is the same Abdul Alhazred that wrote the Necromicon(King's Quest Companion refrence), well he may know more than we give him credit...

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he only killed the King and Queen, he wasn't commiting genocide or anything

Well he commmited Regicide..
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Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

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Re: CASSIMA!
« Reply #85 on: March 12, 2006, 10:51:06 AM »
I never read that...What exactly is it anyway?
 
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« Reply #86 on: March 12, 2006, 10:56:23 AM »
Necronomicon?

Its an book of Dark Magic in the world of Daventry according to the King's Quest Companion. It was written by someone known as the "mad Arab Abdul Alhazred".  It contains knowledge so terrible that a mere glance at the illustrations and illuminations in the text drives many to madness.

The book is also known as the Al Azif.

Both Abdul Alhazred, and Necronomicon are refrefrences a character and book, originally created by H.P. Lovecraft in one of his stories. Interesting trivia if anyone is interested where Roberta Williams got the name for the character.


In Lovecraft lore its full of dark rituals and spells related to Old Gods, and from what I remember looking at its pages may cause the reader to go mad(hence the explanation above from the companion).

You might remember a similar book in QFG4.

Its a point to ponder if the Mad Arab mentioned in King's Quest Companion, is the same Abdul Alhazred from KQ6, or did his parents just name him after the other guy.

In anycase the Abdul Alhazred we are most acquainted seems to be more of the political dignitary than a wizard. If he does know alot of magic, or at least a few "parlor tricks", he is probably the type not to flaunt it, and get his hands dirty, but rather uses others to do his work for him.

Also its interesting point that Companion makes about Abdul's and Shadrack's plans for the Green Isles;

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But it seems the plans for that little kingdom of yours are coming along, you seem to have the destruction of the kingdom well in hand.


It appears Genocide may have been part of black cloak's ultimate plans for the nation.
« Last Edit: March 12, 2006, 11:15:49 AM by Baggins »
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

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Re: CASSIMA!
« Reply #87 on: March 12, 2006, 11:08:08 AM »
Are you talking about the book in the monastary? Though, as I recall, it just said where the rituals were located and cult secrets, it also "made your head hurt" according to the narrator. :P
 
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Re: CASSIMA!
« Reply #88 on: March 12, 2006, 11:10:01 AM »
Ya, that book in the monastery, the "The Necrophilicon" was inspired by the Necronomicon.
« Last Edit: March 12, 2006, 11:16:57 AM by Baggins »
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

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Re: CASSIMA!
« Reply #89 on: March 12, 2006, 11:19:08 AM »
How much do we know about what the Black Cloak want? it seems to me like their seperate bodies who work together on certain things. For instance, Abdul sending Cassima away to Mordack for safe keeping. Besides KQ2+, it doesn't seem like anyone told Abdul to send Cassima to Mordack, Abdul just asked him. So I'd assume they're more of a brotherhood. Perhaps with a uh... chancellor? to keep the peace, but the different bodies atleast appear seperate.

So I think it comes down to what Abdul wants: Power. Having just played the game, I don't remember Shadrack using the word 'destruction'. However it could be something along the lines of the Lion King. Where simply through the dark Vizer's rule the land will crumble.

None of them appear to have any sort of reason for being so immoral.

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« Reply #90 on: March 12, 2006, 11:31:37 AM »
"Abdul sending Cassima away to Mordack for safe keeping. Besides KQ2+, it doesn't seem like anyone told Abdul to send Cassima to Mordack, Abdul just asked him."

Actually Mordack asked Abdul, remember, it was Mordack that wanted to marry Cassima. Cassima explains this in KQ5. Additionally we learn from Companion that Shadrack had asked Abdul for Cassima as well, either alive or dead, because he had certain "peculiar interests". However Abdul turned him down, becaue Cassima had a strange way of returning where she wasn't wanted, thus why he had plans to kill her after he married her(to make sure she was eliminated for good).

"I don't remember Shadrack using the word 'destruction'."

Its an expansion to the game's plot in Companion. It doesn't appear in the game itself. Its based off of material that didn't make it into the game, that the author was able to work into the companion.
« Last Edit: March 12, 2006, 11:44:59 AM by Baggins »
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

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Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
« Reply #91 on: March 13, 2006, 11:36:09 PM »
Come on, Cesar is just messing with your heads...
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Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
« Reply #92 on: March 14, 2006, 07:34:38 AM »
So in TSL, Connor is now Captain of the Guard eh?

What happened to Roderick, ;)?
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

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« Reply #93 on: March 14, 2006, 02:45:55 PM »
Anyone ever think...King Arthur, Launcelot, and Guinevere, relating to a possible Alexander, Cassima, Connor situation. I mean, it would be a great tie in to classic mythology/folk lore, which is something the King's Quest series was always about, and it would be a great, dramatic plot line.

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Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
« Reply #94 on: March 15, 2006, 05:15:57 AM »
So in TSL, Connor is now Captain of the Guard eh?

What happened to Roderick, ;)?

Maybe he retired... or got promoted to a cushy desk job.
Minister of Defense, possibly ;)


Anyone ever think...King Arthur, Launcelot, and Guinevere, relating to a possible Alexander, Cassima, Connor situation. I mean, it would be a great tie in to classic mythology/folk lore, which is something the King's Quest series was always about, and it would be a great, dramatic plot line.

If you're going for a king-queen-knight triangle, it would fit in better with Graham and Valanice since Connor is their knight, not Alexander and Cassima's. Besides, in TSL Connor is married to Sarah, so it would be a square rather than a triangle ;P
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Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
« Reply #95 on: March 15, 2006, 11:37:47 AM »
I still think that the quote is just reffering to Abdul. On all counts.

She was his queen (Well, almost), his shining light into ruling the kingdom, and she stabbed him, causing his downfall. Of course it could be anyone in the Land of the Green Isles, as she is THE queen.

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« Reply #96 on: March 16, 2006, 05:26:40 AM »
I still think that the quote is just reffering to Abdul. On all counts.

She was his queen (Well, almost), his shining light into ruling the kingdom, and she stabbed him, causing his downfall. Of course it could be anyone in the Land of the Green Isles, as she is THE queen.

But all those are things that already happened in KQ6, and the wallpapers (well, most of them) seem to be about things that will happen (or, be revealed) in TSL.
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Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
« Reply #97 on: March 19, 2006, 08:08:15 PM »
I hope I will not have to wait for 3 more years for KQIX to come out. I am so excited and eager to find out what happens to my beloved royal family. Cassima is pretty cool, I don't think she would intentionally hurt Alexander. What about a Connor/Rosella/Edgar/Sarah square?  :P

Ew...I find it hard to even think that Rosella would find Connor attractive. She probably likes a guy she can dominate, like Edgar. Who the heck is Roderick?
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Re: Cassima, his shining light, his queen, his downfall
« Reply #98 on: March 20, 2006, 06:47:57 PM »
Roderick = Captain of the Royal guard in Floating Castle.
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« Reply #99 on: May 31, 2006, 08:35:50 PM »
NOTE: I didnt see a topic like this, but if there is you can merge them or whatever.

This is sort of character development and plot speculation of Cassima and Alexander, mainly Cassima. We know from the wallpapers that Alexander has somehow gotten mixed up in the dark arts and that Cassima is his downfall. There is obviously a secret side to Cassima. We don't know what Mordack did to her while she was in that castle, or how her mind has been warped from her tragic life. She no doubt picked up some tips on the dark arts while living in Mordack's castle too.I think that Alex was curious about the dark arts and Cassima somehow encouraged that, wheter on purpose or not. We also know Edgar got turned into a beast. Could Alex somehow be responsible for this?

I personally like Cassima. It would be awful to me if she got mixed up in the dark arts. But it would certinatly be a nice plot twist.

I don't even know. This is mainly just speculation about their relationship and background...
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