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Started by Yonkey, December 09, 2005, 10:02:24 AM

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Deloria

Welcome. You bring up sme interesting  points. If TSL, were to get finished and released, would VU have the ability to ask POS  to have the link removed and destroyed to prevent downloading and then sell the game?
 
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ok
so the game isn't confirmed for 2006 as you said phoenix staff person.

and the reason taht no updates or news is posted is that incase you can't deliver it you don't want to say anything? is this also correct


sivvrianBARRY

Someone said it wasn't confirmed for 2006, but they were wrong.

THE RELEASE DATE FOR TSL IS IN 2006! Who knows if it will get delayed, but currently, 2006 IS CONFIRMED!

If you don't believe me, read the front page of this site.

tait2001

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Quote from: Shades2585 on May 19, 2006, 08:59:47 AM
Quote from: tait2001 on May 18, 2006, 07:59:42 PM
In my opinion, VU doesn't have the ability to make an "official" sequel.

I believe that VU has the technical ability to create a KQ game but I question their ability to create a story that ties into and continues the KQ atmosphere which POS has the knowledge and desire to do.

As with any big company it’s all about the money so don’t doubt that VU will be watching this closely. I’m betting that VU will be using POS as a test-bed to find out what type of fan fallowing there is. If there is enough downloads and it continues to get all the press coverage don’t doubt that they’ll try to cash in on that and make their own. So obviously if you want a chance at VU making a future KQ then when TSL comes out tell EVERYBODY you know and don’t give them a copy but make sure they download it.
   While VU understandably doesn’t want the KQ name hurt because it would hurt any possible future games they might develop I don’t think this by it self is what brought POS on VU radar. I think it was two other things:

1) The fact that POS is writing a NEW story (not a remake) and their ability to make their game truly look professional.

2) The fact thy put IX in their title.

The KQ name by itself POS might have gotten away with since AGDI did but theirs was a remake not a new game so it wouldn’t affect VU as much as a NEW game with the KQ name. Add that to the fact that POS put IX in the title just begged for VU to step in. They might have been able to slip under the radar had they not put the IX in their title simply because IX implies a sequel and obviously VU can’t have that.

Quote from: tait2001 on May 18, 2006, 07:59:42 PM
I will always think of TSL as the official KQIX.
I’m with you there and I think most of the people who frequent this forum are too.
;D



Hi shades,

you have some very inspired and intelligent points here.  What I was saying that VU doesn't have the right spirit or inspiration to to make an official game (of course, just my opinion).  All the money and technical power in the world wouldn't make a difference (as VU seems to wield). 

What they lack is the true backing for the adventure gaming genre as a whole.  I am sure there are designers and other staff there that love the genre, however as with any business, it all comes down to making money.  Until they are no longer driven purely by the ability to make money, they will not be in the right mindset to create a game that is aimed to please the gamers.  Only to please their commercial interests. 

The first KQ games were not created purely to just make money (although I am sure that was partially a motivator).  They were created to please the adventuring spirit that Roberta Williams obviously had (based on the quality of her games and the leaps and bounds that she took the adventure game genre).  To truly create a classic game in this genre that will have the same kind of impact that the previous king's quest games had, you need to have a similar spirit.

I have no doubts that TSL will have this kind of impact.  They have already had more press coverage than a lot of commercial games.  They already have an incredibly large fan base even before the game has been released.  This is thanks to the dedication of all the very hard working people on this project.  Without them,  this would never have come to fruition.  Also without all the fans, this project would have died back in October.  It has been a very large group effort.  It will live on in our minds for some time to come.  I commend and applaud everyone that has had some hand in this game.

I apologize about the length of my post.  It was only supposed to be a clarification of a statement in one of my previous posts, but sometimes we all get inspired.

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Quote from: conspiracist on May 19, 2006, 10:44:24 AM
ok
so the game isn't confirmed for 2006 as you said phoenix staff person.

and the reason taht no updates or news is posted is that incase you can't deliver it you don't want to say anything? is this also correct


Did I? Actaually, I was mearly asking a question about the release :P

And here I thought, the first KQ's were to provide animsted graphics :P (see the compilations CD for the special features)
 
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Quote from: Say on May 18, 2006, 06:35:35 PM
Listen to sivvrianBARRY, he's right.

One of the biggest concerns when we started talking with VU, was the fact they said "you're a sequel" sort of like the whole new content couldn't be fit in front of their eyes as a sequel, but instead a game inspired of it.

Even though that's the nature of the project, legally we had to address it differently in order to leave that oportunit to them, even if they won't ever get to do it, it's their right. Just to let you know, noone neither confirmed or denied that info, but my personal opinion is that they seem to not foresee that as an oportunity (creating a KQIX of their own).

And yes, once the game is done, VU shall be the first to know, check it out and give us the "Ok, it's good to go" or "Oh here's the things we don't like...". So far, everything they've seen they haven't denied or changed, but the namd because of the reasons I expressed before.



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Quote from: Deloria on May 19, 2006, 09:05:25 AM
Welcome. You bring up sme interesting  points.

Thank you and I’m glad to be here.

Quote from: Deloria on May 19, 2006, 09:05:25 AM
If TSL, were to get finished and released, would VU have the ability to ask POS  to have the link removed and destroyed to prevent downloading and then sell the game?

I have no legal background so these are just my assumptions and gut feelings. I don’t know what agreements POS and VU have come to or even IF they’ve come to one yet but from what I’ve read here VU pretty much has final say on this project so essentially Yes I think they could if they truly wanted to but I doubt they well. This is a KQ game after all and nearly everything in it probably falls under copyright laws which VU owns on this. However if VU did that I’d be willing to bet that everyone here would boycott that game if not everything VU sales as well as ignite a lot of bad press which I’m sure VU would not want and would not help them sell anything. Look what the fans did already. It’s still going in some part due to the fans and the press it received.

Quote from: tait2001 on May 19, 2006, 11:35:43 AM

Hi shades,

you have some very inspired and intelligent points here.  What I was saying that VU doesn't have the right spirit or inspiration to to make an official game (of course, just my opinion).

I agree and that’s what I assumed you meant.

Quote from: tait2001 on May 19, 2006, 11:35:43 AMWhat they lack is the true backing for the adventure gaming genre as a whole. 

I agree but everybody had to start somewhere and it would be interesting to find out what they do. They way companies like VU are now days they can hire and then release the muscle needed after just one game. Maybe they would even hire POS. It happened to the DLAdventures group.

Quote from: tait2001 on May 19, 2006, 11:35:43 AMUntil they are no longer driven purely by the ability to make money, they will not be in the right mindset to create a game that is aimed to please the gamers. Only to please their commercial interests. 

I don’t entirely agree with that but money is indeed the bottom line and like any company you have to show a profit or you’re out of a job soon after. That’s the good thing about web distribution because it relieves a company of a lot of cost in designing and manufacturing and distributing boxed product. Eventually I see them all coming that way.


Quote from: tait2001 on May 19, 2006, 11:35:43 AMI have no doubts that TSL will have this kind of impact.  They have already had more press coverage than a lot of commercial games.  They already have an incredibly large fan base even before the game has been released.  This is thanks to the dedication of all the very hard working people on this project.  Without them,  this would never have come to fruition.  Also without all the fans, this project would have died back in October.  It has been a very large group effort.  It will live on in our minds for some time to come.  I commend and applaud everyone that has had some hand in this game.

There is no doubt that that POS has the desire and abilities to carry on the KS Spirit. I too believe that both the press and the fans contributed to it’s resurrection but if the delay presently occurring are because of VU, as I believe they are, and VU continues to delay the game then the fan support will dwindle to the point of near nonexistence and what will happen then is anybody’s guess. I truly hope VU doesn’t do this. ???

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tait2001

well all I have to say is that My support is here no matter how long it takes to get this game out.

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Same! My allegence is to TSL!
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ciborium

I must concur, however if VU does release their own KQIX someday, it would be wise of us to support it (if it carries on the adventure tradition.)  If we don't, and we kill it, then we may kill off commercial adventure gaming in its entirety.


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It would really have to be good for me to support a VU made KQIX.  Simply put: if it lacked the story, artwork, and quality that our game has, I would not play it.  But more specifically, if it was some lousy attempt at a continuation (i.e. MoE, LSL:MCL) rather than a true KQ sequel, I would definitely not support it.
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Quote from: Shades2585 on May 19, 2006, 08:59:47 AM
   While VU understandably doesn’t want the KQ name hurt because it would hurt any possible future games they might develop I don’t think this by it self is what brought POS on VU radar. I think it was two other things:

1) The fact that POS is writing a NEW story (not a remake) and their ability to make their game truly look professional.

2) The fact thy put IX in their title.

I'd add two more things:

3) The change of their website from .org to .com

4) Their claim of copyright to all original material.  Personally, I don't think that the makers of fan games, whether they be remakes, sequels, prequels, or interquels, should claim any copyright to the games they make, even to "original material."  It just strikes me as a bit hypocritical to use other people's copyrighted material without permission yet to claim copyright on all "original material."  Does that mean that, if someone else were to use the "original material" without permission, that the makers of the fan game would sue that person for copyright infringement?  What about material that is original but based on material that is not, such as the new scenes from the Land of the Green Isles?  If you claim copyright on that, then, in principle, you could sue Vivendi if they were to use that material in an official KQIX.

My opinion is that fan games should contain a notice that all copyrights are held by the owners of the authorized games, even on "original material."

Deloria

I hereby swear fealty to TSL!
 
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Quote from: tait2001 on May 19, 2006, 03:19:14 PM
well all I have to say is that My support is here no matter how long it takes to get this game out.

I’m with you there.

Quote from: maestro on May 21, 2006, 10:03:41 AM
My opinion is that fan games should contain a notice that all copyrights are held by the owners of the authorized games, even on "original material."

People deserve the right to control what happens with their products. If you made something, we’ll say a goodly character, and somebody took it and was turning it into a depreciating mockery of what you intended, to such an extent that when anybody saw your character that whey would think of only that mockery and not what you created or intended than you would want to have control, therefore copyright, of your character to have that project halted until your character was removed or you came to an agreement with the project creator about how you wanted your character handled. I understand VU’s concern and I can also understand why POS would want to copyright their own unique characters. Who knows if TSL does well then maybe later some of  POS’s characters might appear in a VU KQ game?!

Quote from: dark-daventry on May 21, 2006, 06:18:07 PM
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Quote from: ciborium on May 20, 2006, 09:50:39 PM
I must concur, however if VU does release their own KQIX someday, it would be wise of us to support it (if it carries on the adventure tradition.)  If we don't, and we kill it, then we may kill off commercial adventure gaming in its entirety.

I agree. (Lets not kill it before it’s born.  :))

Quote from: Yonkey on May 20, 2006, 11:34:01 PM
It would really have to be good for me to support a VU made KQIX.  Simply put: if it lacked the story, artwork, and quality that our game has, I would not play it.  But more specifically, if it was some lousy attempt at a continuation (i.e. MoE, LSL:MCL) rather than a true KQ sequel, I would definitely not support it.

I would like to think that I would at least buy the first one if for no other reason then to show support but if there ended up being a second game and it still didn’t measure up then no I would not.

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Quote from: Shades2585 on May 22, 2006, 09:17:26 AM
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My long posts and I. :P

Quote from: Yonkey on May 20, 2006, 11:34:01 PM
It would really have to be good for me to support a VU made KQIX.  Simply put: if it lacked the story, artwork, and quality that our game has, I would not play it.  But more specifically, if it was some lousy attempt at a continuation (i.e. MoE, LSL:MCL) rather than a true KQ sequel, I would definitely not support it.
I might buy it...if it looked good and the graphics and storyline looked promising. Otherwise, probably not. MoE and MCL were pathetic attempts, though I had the good grace to just play and buy MoE.
 
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I'm brand new to this site, only today learning about TSL, but it is clear that one thing is true:

VU needs to be mighty careful about how they handle this situation, because there is a HUGE King's Quest fan base that has accumulated over many, many years. Despite how it may appear from a legal perspective, the political ramifications of a misstep could be more dramatic than any legal ones resulting from allowing this project to proceed.

Good luck, TSL team. I think it's safe to say that we're ALL behind you!

Best,
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dark-daventry

Quote from: Cool Hand Pete on May 22, 2006, 04:50:06 PM
I'm brand new to this site, only today learning about TSL, but it is clear that one thing is true:

VU needs to be mighty careful about how they handle this situation, because there is a HUGE King's Quest fan base that has accumulated over many, many years. Despite how it may appear from a legal perspective, the political ramifications of a misstep could be more dramatic than any legal ones resulting from allowing this project to proceed.

Good luck, TSL team. I think it's safe to say that we're ALL behind you!

Best,
Peter (my life was forever changed when I first played the IBM version of King's Quest I on a PC Jr. before Sierra marketed it on its own. The year was 1983, and I was 8.)

Welcome! Whether you just found the site, or discovered it five years ago, you're always welcome into our community, as long as there is no flaming! The big fan base is thanks to POS and the amazing  designers that made this phenomenon happen! I hope you have fun, and feel free to register! It's free! (Isn't every forum free registering?)
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Deloria

Quote from: dark-daventry on May 23, 2006, 01:32:18 PM
Quote from: Cool Hand Pete on May 22, 2006, 04:50:06 PM
I'm brand new to this site, only today learning about TSL, but it is clear that one thing is true:

VU needs to be mighty careful about how they handle this situation, because there is a HUGE King's Quest fan base that has accumulated over many, many years. Despite how it may appear from a legal perspective, the political ramifications of a misstep could be more dramatic than any legal ones resulting from allowing this project to proceed.

Good luck, TSL team. I think it's safe to say that we're ALL behind you!

Best,
Peter (my life was forever changed when I first played the IBM version of King's Quest I on a PC Jr. before Sierra marketed it on its own. The year was 1983, and I was 8.)

Welcome! Whether you just found the site, or discovered it five years ago, you're always welcome into our community, as long as there is no flaming! The big fan base is thanks to POS and the amazing  designers that made this phenomenon happen! I hope you have fun, and feel free to register! It's free! (Isn't every forum free registering?)
Some forum's charge registration and subscribtion.
 
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