VMs, etc.

[Storm]

Sorry, you got me confused... for me, VM = Virtual Machine

[Oldbushie]

Haha!

Anyways, yeah, got a few opinions about all this stuff.

First off, keep in mind I'm Catholic, and my mom's a very strict Catholic. So, no sex for me until I'm married, no big deal. I'm a bit distant from the whole sex scene though. No fooling with girls for me, though maybe someday I'll have a girlfriend.

But yeah, I can understand where girls are coming from, I mean, I don't see why ANY girl should be treated as a s***, even if she does happen to sleep around a lot. And guys who force their masculinity on women are just plain wrong. It should be a two way thing, and many people seem to portray sex as a one-directional act (guy gets pleasure from girl, but the girl's just supposed to take it. girls "can't have pleasure" from it all).

Some of the monologues were a bit weird, like the whole "what would it wear" and stuff. But I was really touched by some of those things, even the ones I didn't fully understand. I'm pretty good at putting myself in someone else's shoes, even if they are female.

We had a really good actress do the moan stuff, it was great.

And an awesome actress for the "my v***** wants" monologue (cotton panties with a  french tickler built in).

But yeah, if people do have sex, although it is generally frowned on by Catholics when it's outside of marriage, at the very least it should be a cooperative act.

[KatieHal]

Storm - VM = v***** Monologues

The actress when I saw them on campus was a friend of mine for the "Angry v*****" one, and she was GREAT!!  Hilarious and excellent:)

Well, good for you for being open! It's something sadly hard to find with very religious people, I think. Which is sad...I'm techinically Catholic, but I haven't exactly been a practicing one for quite some time.  I believe in God, certainly, and even in prayer somewhat....but I just really dislike organized religion, more or less. Most convincing thing I ever heard: "God helps those who help themselves."

And it should most definitely always be a co-operative act!!  TO not be is the kind of violation I'm thankful to say I've never had to go through. In my opinion, sex should only be something done with someone you very much care for and trust and love, who feels the same for you. To let just anyone have that experience with you...cheapens what it really means. A Peer Minister on my freshman dorm floor had some signs with a slogan that said something like, "Would you let someone you just met use your toothbrush? Then why would you let them sleep with you?" Or something similar.  That was basically the point, though I think it was worded differently.

The "what it would wear" bits are interesting because the idea behind is the v***** representing the woman - so it kind of shows what the women who answered think of themselves in a way. Especially interesting because the answers are all over the place!

[Say]

I SO LOVE PEOPLE LIKE BUSHIE! god, I believe thats sweet as hell I hope you wont ever find a bad person who will break your heart into pieces, because good people is like that and then end up sour and torn up apart, and they tend to throw away all they believe in, I admit its hardly seen nowdays but I agree with you and I am like you, even though I had bf's before and even know, I do have that kind of standarts of my own.

so it works the total opposite way, if you dont have sex your a whimp, if you dont are sexually active then your simple not anyone nowdays, or either if you have then you are some s***, when it gets to men, Its different you HAVE to do that to be a man or something like thats got anything to do with it.

thats why i think people is so strong about to judge or comment about this kind of things, I respect both sides because noone is a saint and neither you should be forced to be, the beauty of people goes right when you do and stand up for yourself, because is not about what you choose but also about being able to deal with consecuences of our actions.

That I think its the most difficult part about this, its like, what to do? should love be involved? should i care or not? its just a simple human function so why so touchy abuot it? or is it really a sacred union of love?. Everyone has its unique perspective and feelings toward it, and its about acceptance we all could get along with it.

[Rosedragon]

I agree with Bushie about marriage. I was raised in a christian home, as a baptist, and I believe people should wait until they have found someone they are willing to make a commitment to before having sex. I doubt the v***** monologues will be shown anywhere in my area, people in this part of Florida are conservative, which is disapointing, cause I would like to see it.

[Peasant_Girl]

I do respect very much other people's views about all that stuff, but sheeesh! I'm glad my family is Russian - we never have any of those sex problems....Russians are very passionate people and where sex is concerned, even in the church....they go for it!

And they do, and traditionally, have always talked freely about it(both women and men).

Not that they are sex maniacs or anything like that...just I'm soo glad I don't have all the "guilt complexes" about sex and stuff like that, a lot of my friends have.......their belief is very down to earth.
Ever heard the expression: "been flowered?"
Didn't think so!;)

[Oldbushie]

You say "even in the church", what do you mean by that? That even Catholic Russians still have sex plenty before marriage? Or is sex actually in church??? j/k

[Oldbushie]

My parents are a bit weird about it, my mom's a strict Catholic and is like: "no sex at all! wait!" and my dad is a lot more iffy about it, his is more an issue of sex disease and the more practical problems of sex before marriage (unexpected kids, things like that). I don't have too much of a problem with sex, as long as it's meaningful (ie the two people really love each other and aren't just in it for the sex, there's something else too). But I'm remaining asexual until marriage anyways. It's a lot simpler when there is only one person, not 5 or 10 people that may have been previous sex partners or something. And it's kinda hard tor emain friends if you break up after a very passionate relationship, unless the two people really decide that it was just a passing thing and that all's okay.
Of course, from what I've learned in sex ed, the end results of sex are hardly ever okay.

[TakariFreak]

Sex is a non-issue in my houshold.  My parents left that up to sex-ed.  Still, Like bushie, I believe it's a sacred thing, to be shared with very few.  I'm not against having sex before marriage, as long as it's meaningful, and not just for the pleasure of it.

And Bushie, don't you mean you're abstaining from it until marriage?  Asexual means you can reproduce without sex...

[Oldbushie]

Ah, it's a little inside joke.

A bunch of game geeks stay bachelors for pretty much all their lives, yet they don't seem to be going extinct yet. So they are called 'asexual', since somehow they are able to propagate.

[TakariFreak]

Well, I did sort of see it as a joke, but I wanted to make sure you knew what it REALLY meant...

[TakariFreak]

Haha!  How could you ever believe that lack of sex will make your balls shrivel!  Guys are dumb (most of them).  But yeah, they seem to think that (or rather, their balls do)

[Peasant_Girl]

Oh I'm so sorry to confuse you Oldbushie, it is a delicate topic and I wouldn't want to upset anyone....
The church in Russia is not the Catholic church, but the  Orthodox church....Christian, but more ancient...
and as to sex before marriage....Russians don't analyse things like that. Their is no law that states:"no sex before marriage", but the church does not bless it,

And this is not, because they view sex as a "Sin" or something "disgusting" (which, of course it isn't), but, because, if used wrongly it can lead to real problems: (especially if someone dumps you, single mum's, abortion etc..), but they don't analyse things like that, there are not all these rules and regulations that can often confuse people.

If you do it...OH well, that's your choice, and if you don't ...well your marriage is really blessed(all the more fun after the wedding!).

[TakariFreak]

You've only been kissed once?  Weclome to the club!  I've been kissed a few times before, but from my "almost" boyfriend who was my porm date who didn't seem to be in control of himself even though I told him FLAT out because of all the senior crap that was going on, i was in NO MOOD for anything.  He said he understood, the completely ingored what I said after dinner.

So even though We did kiss about twice or so (before th prom), I don't really count him becuase he's a scumbag...

[KatieHal]

Boo to scumbags!

As for the sex thing....yeah, I think a lot of religion (Christianity) make people view sex as a "sin" and generally a terrible thing, whcih it completely isn't.  Yes, there are serious consequences if you aren't careful, and I don't think it's something that should be casual, but something that should really only be shared when you really love and trust someone.  In my opinion, it should just be waiting until you're ready, be that before or after marriage. Again, just my opinion of course.

[Rosedragon]

Are Russian orthodox priests allowed to marry? The whole thing with christianity saying sex is bad started with St. Paul, who believed christians should remain virgins. They have all these stupid fairytales about virgin saints in the catholic and orthodox churches, where the young women (and sometimes men) have gone to great lengths to preserve their virginity, strange, they get beaten, tortured and murdered, but never raped! I think the apostle Paul was sexually repressed, he had some problems, he discriminated against women and was rather strict and bossy. As for Jesus himself, well, historians who have done research on the historical Jesus of Nazareth say he may have been married. I think Jewish men back then married in their thirties, the girls were teenagers when they married, Jesus was about 35 when he was crucified, so he could have had a wife, still christians think of Jesus as being pure, so the idea of him having sex is unlikely.

I've been feeling blue because I'm lonely, I wish I had a boyfriend, someone to love and cuddle. Well, I can cuddle my cat, but it's not the same thing!

[Storm]

The whole sex repression thing is a christian invention - in judaism there wasn't anything like monks or nuns, since getting married and having children is one of gods commands (the first one, actually ).

As for Jesus himself, since he was jewish and at that time people married at a much younger age, you may assume he was married. Wives and daughters often go unmentioned in the bible since they are "unimportant"

[KatieHal]

Haha, and by "unimportant" you must of course mean "we won't mention that part of what really happened because that would undermine all this controversial repressive stuff that we're trying to tell everyone"

[Oldbushie]

That's interesting, I never heard about that. I always thought that the whole "no sex before marriage" was a more essential part of Catholicism, not something one person decided. Of course, Jesus never actually told is disciples how to create teh Church, except that it should be used to worship God. And in no part of the New Testament (at least that I have seen) does God dictate how the Church should act. It's mostly from the Old Testament, and that's the same kinda stuff that the Jewish people follow. (Ten Commandments, keep the sabbath holy, and such)

And I agree wholly with Katiehal's previous point, that sex should only be shared with someone you completely trust and love, and that waiting until both of you are ready is important.
None of this "have sex when you get drunk at parties" crap.

[KatieHal]

oldbushie - i may have asked this before. have you seen the movie Dogma? very interesting movie, i think you'd enjoy it. also, it's akevin smith movie, so it's funny too:)

in my opinion, people who go for the "sex when drunk at parties" thing are looking for something, trying to find somewhere else or in or with someone else, and they can't and won't. whatever they are looking for, is only in themselves, and maybe they're just afraid of it, i don't know. but that's no way to find wahtever it is.

Yeah,...a lot of things in modern Church doctrine can be traced to individuals deciding to impose the ideas. A friend of mine was saying recently the whole idea of no meat for lent comes from the fact that a priest once had family members in the fish industry...now isn't THAT convenient, hmmmm!  Also the fact that there were points in time where the position of the Pope was passed down between father and sons....."whoops."  I think the idea of priests being unable to marry and women being unable to be priests is extremely outdated myself.