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Re: Official Sequel?
« Reply #20 on: July 23, 2006, 06:45:16 PM »
My guess is that if Vivendi came up with an official sequel, they would call it KQ9, not KQ10.  In their mind, TSL would have the same status as the KQ novels, something like a KQ-8½, an interesting but inessential part of the story.  That may not be how the fans think of it, but it is probably how Vivendi will think of it.

An official KQ9 would probably make Connor the next King of Daventry, either at the end of the game or at the beginning.  They may have him marry Rosella, which would contradict the story line of TSL.  They may even keep their original timeline, with KQ-8 taking place many years after KQ7.

As for the style of play, it would probably have some first-person shooter aspects, but not as many as KQ-8, and more adventure-game aspects.  At least, they should get rid of Connor's munching on mushrooms and potions.

As far as including TSL in the compilation, they could always download TSL off the Internet like anyone else, or download any other fan game that they wanted to include.  POS wouldn't have to give them a copy.  However, I doubt that fan games will be included in the compilation.

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Re: Official Sequel?
« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2006, 06:47:38 PM »
I see no reason why Rosella can't inherit the throne, despite the fact that she is female.
 
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Re: Official Sequel?
« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2006, 06:49:04 PM »
IIRC, they sent everything that they had done in the game. So wouldn't that be a lot more?
We didn't send them everything we owned.  I don't think there's a FedEx truck big enough for that. :P

And their co-ownership is more a result of the "agreement" they have with us. :deal:

Maybe if it were on a DVD but few games are on DVD and I’m not sure how many of our fans have one.
Actually, the whole KQ series and Shadows would all be able to fit on one DVD.  However, like you said, not everyone owns a computer capable of reading DVD's, so I dont know.  :-\

Besides if they put out the first third of the game then that would mean that they would eventually have to sell they whole game when it comes out and I’m not sure how buyers, not knowing the KQIX/TSL history would like having only part of a game.

Only Shadows? I’m confused. I thought they had all of TSL what about the other two chapters?
Sorry, I can't discuss the specific details, but basically the agreement we have with them applies only towards Shadows. 8)

Yes I’m sure the dial up users would surely love it and I agree that it would be an honor if they did, not to mention that would make you officially KQIX again ;D
I would love it too! XD  It would be nice to have something tangible to hold onto, just in case this site doesn't last forever (or dies from all the crazy bandwidth usage). ;P


My guess is that if Vivendi came up with an official sequel, they would call it KQ9, not KQ10.  In their mind, TSL would have the same status as the KQ novels, something like a KQ-8½, an interesting but inessential part of the story.  That may not be how the fans think of it, but it is probably how Vivendi will think of it.
Normally I would agree that they would just jump to KQX, but since they specifically requested us to change our title, I'm thinking that was for a reason.  "King's Quest" is their trademark, but "KQIX" or "King's Quest IX" is not.  So, there must be some reason behind them not wanting us to be known officially as the 9th, even though as you said, in the eyes of fans, they will always consider us as such.
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Re: Official Sequel?
« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2006, 07:07:42 PM »
Thinking about it, if VU wanted to put TSL on this compilation, wouldn't they just say so?  I see nothing they would gain by waiting.

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  Pardon me if thus should be obvious or you can't say, but exactly what agreement are we talking about?  Permission to release it or make it or this there another agreement of which I am not aware. ??? 

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I see no reason why Rosella can't inherit the throne, despite the fact that she is female.


 Without going into a long lecture about Salic law and semisalic law and gavelkind and primogeniture laws and such, the majority of Western monarchies would have Alexander inherit the throne even if it meant wearing a dual crown, as you doubtless know.  Holding two king titles was hardly unknown.  If he could not inherit then it gets more complicated.
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Re: Official Sequel?
« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2006, 07:24:21 PM »
. . . the agreement we have with them applies only towards Shadows.
You mean that they only gave you permission to release Shadows?  So, before you can release the other two parts, you have to get separate licenses from them?  That's not good.

I see no reason why Rosella can't inherit the throne, despite the fact that she is female.
It's not what you or I think that matters, it's what Vivendi thinks.  I think that their original intent was to make Connor king.  Of course, Daventry is based loosely on England, and England has had female monarchs, so, yes, Rosella could inherit the throne.

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Re: Official Sequel?
« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2006, 07:52:12 PM »
Pardon me if thus should be obvious or you can't say, but exactly what agreement are we talking about?
It's alright, you're new. :P  On November 29, 2005, Vivendi Games, Inc. granted us legal permission to continue development on our game through the means of a non-commercial license agreement.  This agreement is still being negotiated, and details of which are not permitted to be discussed publicly, since it covers everything from ownership, distribution, intellectual property, etc.  The only thing I can say is that the agreement is for The Silver Lining - Part One: Shadows, which contains the first three chapters of our game.

You mean that they only gave you permission to release Shadows?  So, before you can release the other two parts, you have to get separate licenses from them?  That's not good.
We actually won't require any seperate licenses from them.  However, as I said, I cannot discuss the details of the agreement.
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Re: Official Sequel?
« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2006, 08:25:03 PM »
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Without going into a long lecture about Salic law and semisalic law and gavelkind and primogeniture laws and such, the majority of Western monarchies would have Alexander inherit the throne even if it meant wearing a dual crown, as you doubtless know.  Holding two king titles was hardly unknown.  If he could not inherit then it gets more complicated.

How naive of me to think he might abdicate in favor of his sister. :P

 
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Re: Official Sequel?
« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2006, 08:35:27 PM »
Sorry, I was aware of the non-commercial license agreement but now you people are talking about part ownership/commercial release and I wondered if some other agreement went into rather more detail than just saying "fine go make the game and don't bug us anymore" in legalese. It appears so, but I can't know about it.  Oh well, it keeps the PR\legal people's lives from getting boring (or well rested either)  :-\.

  So if you can tell me, would a release in this compilation mean TSl would no longer we released as freeware?  Or would it be a sort of freebie (meaning, the cost is hidden) on the pack that you could still download?

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How naive of me to think he might abdicate in favor of his sister.


  You said inherit not get.  :P  I understood that to mean get legal title on Graham's death in absence of a last will and testament.  In 99.9% of historic kingdoms, she wouldn't.  This isn't history, and I obviously have no idea what Daventry's succession laws are. Or Graham could leave the crown to her on his death.  Or any number of things.  Including a coup, but that might be taking "darker plot" a little far.    :devil:

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Re: Official Sequel?
« Reply #28 on: July 23, 2006, 08:45:50 PM »
TSL will be released as freeware, it would be a freebie (like demos) in the compilation pack, should VG decide to add it.
 
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Re: Official Sequel?
« Reply #29 on: July 23, 2006, 09:16:32 PM »
TSL will be released as freeware, it would be a freebie (like demos) in the compilation pack, should VG decide to add it.
Deloria's correct.  TSL is still intended to be 100% freeware.  Shadows will be for sure, since the license is strictly for non-commercial use.  I'm currently working with our lawyer and trying to ensure that Shadows doesn't get sold without our consent or compensation, since that's obviously ethically, morally and legally wrong, as it defeats the whole purpose of a non-commercial agreement.  But we'll see how that goes. :)
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Re: Official Sequel?
« Reply #30 on: July 23, 2006, 09:30:23 PM »
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I see no reason why Rosella can't inherit the throne, despite the fact that she is female.


Well as someone mentioned Alexander could rule both kingdoms from afar.

There is also possibililty of Rosella becoming the Grand Duchess of Daventry and ruling it under Alexander, also not uncommon in history.

Of course Rosella could be given the crown if her father willed it, and thus become queen. Hell he could give up the crown early if he wanted to, and retire.

The  King's Quest Companion KQ7 novel even hinted that Rosella and Edger would be the next rulers of Daventry as well, at least that was Graham and Valanice's plans.




As for putting it into the compilation? It would probably be cheaper for them to link to the website, rather than put the time to master the disks for the compilation. Way back when Sierra would often link to popular fan sites in some of their text files and pdf files.

Also, they may not want to put it into the compilation cause it directly connect the game to them, and people would end up calling them for tech support, which they wouldn't want, even if there was a warning that it wasn't supported by Vivendi. Even if they wouldn't accept tech support calls for it, people would still complain and blaim  Vivendi if for some reason the game didnt' work properly on their systems.

On the other hand Valve and Sierra linked to a handful of Half-Life fan modifications, and even later marketed them, with further upgrades and including tech support...

Interesting thing to note, this topic has also been brought up for AGDI's KQ1 and KQ2 remakes as well. With the AGDI fans wondering if Sierra has been holding back the compilations waiting for their games to be finished so they could figure out how to include them in the compilation. Vivendi has pushed back the compilation many times.  :P

As for the compilation, all material I've read on it, seems to indicate it might just be a reprint of the second edition King's Quest Anthology, with the MOE preview, but no MOE included.

As for sierra making a KQ9 themselves?

Several possiblities;

Well there is actually a couple of possibilities since MOE was never marketed as King's Quest 8, but only a King's Quest title, they could go back and make a game called King's Quest 8, and just deem MOE to be a side story in the universe. 

If they took that route they could even set games that took place before MOE if they decided to follow their original timeline. There is at least a couple of decades to tell stories between the games.

...or they could set next game after MOE, create a King's Quest 9, if they decided to start using numerals again, and considered MOE to be KQ-8.

...or they could continue the MOE trend and just call it a King's Quest without the numbers. "King's Quest: ________", etc.


There also seems to be a trend in reenvisioning older series for the newer audiences, which don't always follow the style or storylines of the original.

The Bard's Tale, Sid Meier's Pirates, Alone in the Dark, and many of the older cinemare title remakes for example. So there is always a chance King's Quest could come back as something entirely different...
« Last Edit: July 24, 2006, 01:28:44 AM by Baggins »
Well, ya, King's Quest is on Earth. Daventry is very old city from a long time ago. It's in ruins now and people aren't quite sure exactly where it used to be. There are some archaeologists searching through the ruins, they think they know its Daventry. But its somewhere on Earth."-Roberta Williams http://kingsquest.wikia.com/wiki/File:Daventryisearth.ogg

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Re: Official Sequel?
« Reply #31 on: July 24, 2006, 07:46:54 AM »
If there is a sequel then it will probably no longer have a roman numeral because that would imply and continuation of the old story. It will probably just be King’s Quest: “enter name here”.
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Re: Official Sequel?
« Reply #32 on: July 24, 2006, 07:59:16 AM »
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Shadows will be (freeware) for sure...... I'm currently working with our lawyer and trying to ensure that Shadows doesn't get sold without our consent or compensation.......But we'll see how that goes.


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Re: Official Sequel?
« Reply #33 on: July 24, 2006, 08:34:26 AM »
Sorry, I was aware of the non-commercial license agreement but now you people are talking about part ownership/commercial release and I wondered if some other agreement went into rather more detail than just saying "fine go make the game and don't bug us anymore" in legalese. It appears so, but I can't know about it.  Oh well, it keeps the PR\legal people's lives from getting boring (or well rested either)  :-\.

The agreement as I understand it is that VU has discretionary control over Shadows both in release date and content so Shadows must be sent to VU for their review and POS must make any changes VU requests before VU decides to allow POS to release it and when they can.
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