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Religion: what is it exactly?
« on: March 04, 2003, 12:23:03 AM »
This is a continuation of a bit of a discussion in the "how old are you" thread:

Storm: "...I don't go [out] with goyim "

oldbushie: "Hey, Jesus Christ was Jewish! So that means I have a Jewish brother, then. Does that count? ;)"

Storm: "Nope. Judaism is determined only by the mother, so you're only jewish if your mother is or if you converted. :-/

I was just kidding about not going for goyim... I really don't mind. Do goyim mind going for jews? ???"

oldbushie: "Storm, I don't think so! .... I did read up a bit more about the whole intermarriage thing. Is it true all around that when Jewish people marry goyim, they become dead in the eyes of Judaism? Maybe the effect is a bit less in America, but it worries me just a bit. If i fall in love with a Jewish girl, I don't want to mess up her life totally.

Oh, well. If only there were one humongous religion, with subsets. The subsets would merely be different ways of worshipping the major faith. I suspect that all religions have pretty much most of the same faith (ie be good, be nice to others, etc), so I still cannot understand why there is still so much friction between religions when that truth is increasingly becoming clearer."

Storm: "Jews marrying goyim don't necessarily become dead in the eyes of their families... it depends on how religious/primitive their family is.

It's not that the jews hate goyims or anything. Mixed marriages are prohibited because they are "dangerous" to the jewish religion - they cause the assimilation of the jews into the goyim and the loss of Jewish tradition.
That's why some orthodox families might cast out those who marry goyim - it's like they are going against everything they've been taught.
But then, the same families might also cast out those who become secular  :-/ "
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« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2003, 12:31:05 AM »
Just wanted to add -
In my country a jew can't marry a non-jew. Now that's a civil rights violation  ):c
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« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2003, 12:33:05 AM »
And I was thinking a bit about the purpose of religion, like why does it exist in the first place?

I suppose it is something like a security blanket, and it's YOUR blankie. Some people mature a bit, but some people cling tightly to the blankie. And when they see someone else with a different blankie, who tries to force that blankie on them, they get all upset because someone's trying to take their blankie away. That would certainly explain a lot, even if it is a bit heretical.

Those who mature more have less dependence on their "blankie" and become self-empowered, though they may also continue to pursue their religion but on a deeper, more spiritual, open-minded basis. They realize that their religion isn't the one and only way to enlightenment / high spiritual achievement, and can talk more openly with others like them.

Some people, after maturing from the initial security blankie, may not choose to go back to religion at all. This is perfectly fine, as long as they realize that they must try to ad-lib their way to enlightenment, with no one else's help. And then others, after maturity, concentrate on many religions and garner the most plausible truth from all of them.

It's just about always the individual person's choice on whether they should mature, but it's usually a good idea all the same.
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« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2003, 12:36:09 AM »
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Just wanted to add -
In my country a jew can't marry a non-jew. Now that's a civil rights violation  ):c


Dang. That is tricky...
I say we pull down these artificial barriers! The truth will out, no matter the form. Why should one religion be separated from others? They should mingle freely and expand the range of truth!!! ):c

Someday, perhaps many more people will become enlightened. Do no mistake the path (religion) for the journey (life).
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« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2003, 12:41:40 AM »
Your "blankie" explaination is a bit simplistic ::)

Religion is more of a way for people to precive and make sense of the world around them. It doesn't have much to do with maturity - you're as much as saying that all religious people are immature :-/
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« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2003, 12:47:28 AM »
Well, I didn't mean it THAT way... I did note that some religious people certainly are self-realized, it's just that some are closed in by religion. They get trapped by the way to the finish line (paradise or some such) but are not able to recognize that other ways/paths are just as valid. There are certainly many very religious people who are open-minded and know this.

I tend to be a bit weird in my explanations... ::)
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« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2003, 12:49:31 AM »
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Dang. That is tricky...
I say we pull down these artificial barriers! The truth will out, no matter the form. Why should one religion be separated from others? They should mingle freely and expand the range of truth!!! ):c

Someday, perhaps many more people will become enlightened. Do no mistake the path (religion) for the journey (life).



Woh... are you preaching here? :D

Do you honestly think all religions should become one?

Religion doesn't equal enlightenment... and I don't believe in enlightenment.
It's like, you think a lot and do whatever and suddenly you get this enlightenment, and from that moment on you hold the absolute truth in your hand? not bloody likely... ::)
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« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2003, 12:59:45 AM »
This is a subject I dislike becuase no matter what everyone would have a hard time trying to honest fully understand each other's side since religion, like it or not is a subjective matter of each, so religion has million meanings to everyone and yet its all converts into some belief to a high supreme being with standarts.
Im reading here though, but perhaps I lost my faith a long ago thats why I see it so empty now.


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« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2003, 01:01:03 AM »
Well, it doesn't have to be enlightenment... religion can be used as a tool for accomplishing some sort of task that is ordinarily very difficult unless you have a lot of inner strength. Religion seems to provide that very well.

And no, religions don't neccessarily need become one... indeed, some religions are best in their native habitat, since all the metaphors most strongly apply to the place of origin.

I just want the religions to be more respectful of each other, that's all.
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« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2003, 01:05:03 AM »
How did you lose your faith, Say? Was it in the beliefs or the structure that imposed it that you lost faith?

At times, I really can't stand the Catholic church, but I mostly hold with the main message (love God, love others) when everything is crazy. And I'm one of those people who sees God as the entire universe, so basically as long as I love everything and everyone, I'm okay.
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« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2003, 01:12:26 AM »
Its like I say i do believe in god and I dont in church either you made it out correctly.
and whatever I might be experiencing now, I totally dont relate it at all with religion it just seems so void to me right now, I mean, all this talk about how selffufilling or how limitated or how great it is, its just at some point lacking of any interest to me.
I do feel like i lost hope in all that anyways, it stopped making sense to me for personal reasons, not exactly by it.
I grew up in a catholic church I do know more about bible and jesus and all  more than I ever expected to or perhaps understand myself, I do respect it, I've  also had the luck to meet muslims in, to meet buddist, of course jew and thats why I said exactly why I said, I did once the stupidity to talk my point of view to a muslims ladies and I got them offended as they offended me back, its impossible to agree sometimes, because we only have our reality when we come to talk about it...
I also think religion is the core of the people when you talk about culture, but it doesnt mean it is what it fills out the soul of everyone.


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« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2003, 01:12:48 AM »
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Originally posted by oldbushie

I just want the religions to be more respectful of each other, that's all.


I must say in that respect, Judaism very tolerant - it's against jewish law to try convince people to convert to judaism.
Unlike Christianity (the inquisition) and Islam (Muhamad's faith by the sword).
Jews never fought any wars over religion ;D
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« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2003, 01:14:49 AM »
I think when he said is about stop being judgemental about it, not religiously speaking but about personal people, is like some jews have hard feelings over catholics and catholics dont take serious jews, I've beent here myself, and well it sux, not everyone is open minded and nice about it like you are to be honest.


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« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2003, 01:16:43 AM »
agh Im so sorry Im going to stay out of this, Ill just read.


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« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2003, 01:20:19 AM »
Say -
I see why some Jews may have it in for the Christians, since they had so much troubles from them in the past, but what do you mean that catholics don't take jews seriously? ???

And you can say whatever you want about religion to me... I already stated I'm an atheist, so I couldn't care less ;D
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« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2003, 01:25:32 AM »
its because the very very religious, fanatics i would dare to say, catolics only believe the only religion who diserves respect is theirs, so to be honest its like jews or others wouldnt exist or something.


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« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2003, 01:29:47 AM »
yikes! hahaha too much love I think :P

thats somehow a bit alike how wiccan thinks. they love nature and its greatness or something.


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« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2003, 01:35:00 AM »
Interesting... of course, my religion wouldn't have any of that magic stuff, love and the strength from it is all that is really needed to overcome just about everything that all the wiccan magic pretends to cure. I checked some of those spells, and it's all a matter of gaining strength from illusiory spells, though the strength is real.

I'm simple, and I want the universe to be also. Too bad so many people demand to make it more complicated with their explanations and such.
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« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2003, 01:37:27 AM »
so you mean simplicity is the key?


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« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2003, 01:46:33 AM »
oldbushie -
Your religion goes very much against human nature :P
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