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« Reply #100 on: March 07, 2003, 10:06:56 PM »
I agree with storm, its easy for all of us to say they dont want war and everything even though this all came as a top news recently, but those countries who are constantly in conflict see a different reality big time, to them this is -sadly- not nothing new but they do have a different perspective regarded to it.
and as katie goes about good and evil, shes right we all got a bit of everything, but to be honest I dont think saddamn (on this case) is secretly good labeled bad, to me is a goddamn stupid criminal ass, EVIL, yes, and i dont think hes misunderstood at all, I believe hes quite clear of what he has done and what he is doing right now.


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« Reply #101 on: March 07, 2003, 10:18:22 PM »
Thank you Say!!
Finally someone agrees with me ;D
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« Reply #102 on: March 07, 2003, 10:48:18 PM »
Hey, I didn't say they were misunderstood...

Just not PURE evil.

I can agree that there's definitely a heck of a lot of bad in some people, but maybe just one tiny pinprick of good, locked far, far away.
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« Reply #103 on: March 08, 2003, 09:04:24 PM »
awww how cute ::)

hahaha i think you're really really sweet bushie even your sad stories sound cute! :D


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« Reply #104 on: March 09, 2003, 03:20:06 PM »
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The Israelis don't trust the europeans and the UN, mainly because they are always against us.

Why would they always be against you? Also, if I may, are you maybe referring to the fact Israel is also in violation of several UN-resolutions?
I agree you have every right to defend yourselves against Palestinian attacks, but have you ever thought about why they are driven to doing the things they do?
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« Reply #105 on: March 09, 2003, 03:22:28 PM »
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 I dont think saddamn (on this case) is secretly good labeled bad, to me is a goddamn stupid criminal ass, EVIL, yes, and i dont think hes misunderstood at all, I believe hes quite clear of what he has done and what he is doing right now.


Saddam knows very well indeed what he is doing now. That is why he won't attack Turkey because he knows NATO will react. But, who was supporting Iraq (and thus Saddam) when he was fighting 'big bad' Iran a while back?
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« Reply #106 on: March 09, 2003, 09:12:52 PM »
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Why would they always be against you? Also, if I may, are you maybe referring to the fact Israel is also in violation of several UN-resolutions?
I agree you have every right to defend yourselves against Palestinian attacks, but have you ever thought about why they are driven to doing the things they do?


Why are they against us? I don't know. Maybe it's because they are antisemitists. The fact that Israel is in violation of UN resolutions only goes to show the UN resolutions are made against Israel.
Of course I gave much thought (probably more than you did) to WHY they do the things they do. I'm sure the americans also thought about why Bin-Laden did what he did, and that didn't keep them from waging war against Afgainstan just to get him and his organization.
And surprise, surprise!!! No UN resolution there!!! :P
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« Reply #107 on: March 11, 2003, 06:03:20 PM »
I've been quiet in here lately, and I think I'm just going to tip my hat to those who clearly know more than I do about all of this.  What I really have meant for my opinions to come down to is this:

 - fighting & war (anywhere by anyone!) = bad
 - George W. Bush = not so smart
 - peace = good
 - religion (where we started this and ended up on war...hmmm, oh the small parallels of life) = believe what you will, want and need to, so long as you're not hurting someone else.

That being said, I really can't claim any political knowledge and I do hope I haven't come off anywhere as a stupid American spouting her mouth off. Politics are not my forte and never have been.

Deaths anywhere are a sad thing, and always hardest on those left behind.  Conflict resolution anywhere in the world needs work and I'm an idealist to hope it can all be done without killing.  Whoever's shooting or bombing who is never in the right.

In the end, I just hope it all works out well and with the least amount of pain possible, really. Again, idealistic, but it's nice to dream.

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« Reply #108 on: March 11, 2003, 08:45:19 PM »
"world peace" sounds dreamy, but to be honest I dont think that would ever happen, there shall always be differences, in culture, politics, social structures and whatever, the point is i believe it would take more than one structure for everyone to get in and make amend or something, I dont see it that easy myself.


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« Reply #109 on: March 12, 2003, 08:44:06 PM »
yikes, this is getting heavy here


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« Reply #110 on: March 13, 2003, 01:25:16 AM »
Yeah, not to mention long :D
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« Reply #111 on: March 17, 2003, 04:00:44 AM »
Thank God it's over!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #112 on: March 17, 2003, 02:09:42 PM »
It's far from over... the war here is just begining!!! ::)
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« Reply #113 on: March 19, 2003, 03:54:01 PM »
Hoo boy, you all have been doing some heavy thinking here, a lot of strong opinions.

I believe in self-defense wars, wars to preserve one's freedom and dignity, and most of all one's life. But dignity is often confused with pride, the first of all sins, according to the bible. I think evil stems from hatred, greed, and pride. Good also stems from three things, love, peace and compassion. War should be a last result, after all else had failed. Even then, war leads to disaster, but sometimes there is no choice. Like the civil war and WWII, war was the only way to make progress. I am a peace-loving person, but when cornered I will fight back.

I have been reading about buddhism, it is a very interesting religion. Unlike islam and christianity it was never spread forcefully through violence. It can be an atheist philosophy, or a faith in an intricate stystem of gods, buddhas and bodhisatvas. Compassion is the most important element of buddhist life, and buddhist do not believe in making oneself suffer like aesthetics, but the necesseties of life need to be fufil to acheive harmony. I might appreciate buddhist wisdom, but I do not think I want to be a buddhist, for one thing they are vegetarians and I like meat, and they do not believe in killing insects.


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« Reply #114 on: March 19, 2003, 05:16:33 PM »
Is the vegetarianism required? From what I understand, Buddhism is kind of more like a philosophy than a religion, and I think it allows for you to basically keep or give up whichever practices you like.

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« Reply #115 on: March 21, 2003, 05:48:55 PM »
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- fighting & war (anywhere by anyone!) = bad


That's pacifism you're talking about. Do you really believe that people shouldn't fight back even when they are attacked?


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I have been reading about buddhism, it is a very interesting religion. Unlike islam and christianity it was never spread forcefully through violence.  


Ahem, Judaism was also never spread forcefully ;)
I thought the insect thing was only for buddist monks, who walk around with brooms and sweep the ground before them so they wouldn't harm even the smallest creature.
By that logic, they should also kill themselves, so that they're immune system wouldn't harm any germs :P
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« Reply #116 on: March 24, 2003, 08:47:54 AM »
Ah yes, Judiasm was spread by bloodline, by families, jewish parents would have children and raise them to be jewish. I think someone mentioned earilier that religion and faith is basically good, but when one tries to enforce the rules of a religion, then it becomes violent and intolerant. Like when religion is spread by warfare, people are forced to convert, people are executed for sexual sins, etc. This is why America is unique, with the idea of freedom of religion and a government independent from religion. That's the way it's supose to be, but a lot of church organization meddle in politics, like the christian coalition, and they can have a lot of influence in Washington, as can human rights organization and other atheist organizations. With the current republican trend, I think the religious groups will have more power than the liberal atheist groups.

About buddhism, the rules of Dharma (right law for living) vary. The priests obviously have to set and example for others and have high ethical standards. LOL about the germ thing, Storm. The thing about not killing animals goes with karma, they believe the soul gets reborn into other bodies, creating and endless cycle of birth, death and rebirth. If a person has been bad, they will get reborn either as a lower-class person or an animal. That's probably why they a re kinder towards animals. I think some buddhist believe eating meat is ok as long as you didn't kill the animal yourself, and it's only the priests that do not kill insects. For me, bugs are pests, if they invade my home and try to bite me, I will smash them or spray them with poison. Only the biting and stinging insects are the ones I kill.


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« Reply #117 on: March 27, 2003, 10:38:46 AM »
Don't even get me started on the whole religion/state thing!! ):c
In Israel it's MUCH worse than in the US - there are religious parties here who's entire purpose is to try and force religion over the secular majority, and only take care of the religious jews.
There's an entire sub-culture here of religious jewish orthodox parasites - they get money from the govenment for studying judaism (supposedly), don't serve in the army, AND look down at the secular people who support them by working and paying taxes. ):c
These people create a grudge against them among the entire public, and give Judaism a bad name :(
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« Reply #118 on: March 27, 2003, 10:49:56 AM »
I know a bit about about buddhism (I watched "Little Buddha" :P). I don't see why a Buddhist should be a vegetarian - if he/she thinks the animal will be reincarnated anyway. They might even be doing them a favor - speeding up their next incarnation ::)
There is also a darker side to the belief that a sinner would be reincarnated into an animal or a less forunate person - a Buddhist might tell himself that people who suffer in this life deserve it because of what they've done in their past life, which leads to the whole caste system :(
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« Reply #119 on: March 31, 2003, 11:56:40 AM »
Is it just me, or is the UN getting too liberal? Do they want all nations to be pacifists or something? In the real world you have to fight back if someone pushes you too far, or you'll loose more than just your life. World peace would be nice, but it is highly unrealistic. In the bible and among apocolyptic and fundamental christians, world peace is seen as a weapon of the anti-christ, he will bring world peace to seduce people into believing he is the savior, then people will follow him and eventual start to worship him, he will claim to be all enlightened and to have the solutions to the world's problems, but all he really wants is control, to make himself like God.  

The UN has stood against the US with the war with Iraq, I'm not sure about the war, I guess it is a good idea because Sadam must be stopped before he becomes to powerful, or unleashes one of his nukes. But the Iraqis seem to hate Americans more than they hate Sadam, and a lot of people are going to die in this war. I wish Bush would concentrate on rebuilding Afghanistan, hunting down terrorists and helping out Israel and Palestine instead.


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